Discussion:
2019 US pickup crash tests
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Noddy
2020-05-18 23:20:09 UTC
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The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)

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Clocky
2020-05-19 01:40:36 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Cool, crash tests from other countries...


Xeno
2020-05-19 01:49:55 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Cool, crash tests from other countries...
http://youtu.be/Ed1HAxHPSN0
None of them are safe. Commercial vehicles aren't covered by the same
safety standards as passenger vehicles. It's why smart people don't use
them as commuters, shopping trolleys or school drop offs.
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Daryl
2020-05-19 02:52:21 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there was
much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video I
would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks were
given better ratings due to bias.
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Noddy
2020-05-19 06:14:47 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there was
much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video I
would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks were
given better ratings due to bias.
Yeah, I don't know about that. The Insurance Institute for Highway
Safety in the US is a non profit organisation that has been fairly
critical of US made cars before.
Post by Daryl
https://www.iihs.org/
This test surprised me in that I was expecting the "big Americans" like
the Dodge and the F series to come a long way behind the rest of the
field as their build quality and safety ratings have always been poor.
But apparently they've lifted their game and come a long way in recent
times.

The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
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Noddy.
Xeno
2020-05-19 06:36:42 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
Yeah, I don't know about that. The Insurance Institute for Highway
Safety in the US is a non profit organisation that has been fairly
critical of US made cars before.
Post by Daryl
https://www.iihs.org/
This test surprised me in that I was expecting the "big Americans" like
the Dodge and the F series to come a long way behind the rest of the
field as their build quality and safety ratings have always been poor.
But apparently they've lifted their game and come a long way in recent
times.
The F150 was the only one that I would call acceptable and only because
the design of the front pushed the body sideways upon impact limiting
firewall intrusion. I was impressed by that.
Post by Noddy
The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
The only Toyota tested was the Tundra, not available here from Toyota,
and is classified as a *truck*. The only Toyota ute we get here is the
*Hilux*. Try comparing apples with apples for once.
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Daryl
2020-05-19 06:50:03 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
Yeah, I don't know about that. The Insurance Institute for Highway
Safety in the US is a non profit organisation that has been fairly
critical of US made cars before.
Post by Daryl
https://www.iihs.org/
This test surprised me in that I was expecting the "big Americans" like
the Dodge and the F series to come a long way behind the rest of the
field as their build quality and safety ratings have always been poor.
But apparently they've lifted their game and come a long way in recent
times.
They needed to improve, they were pretty bad.
Post by Noddy
The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
According to Wiki the current model dates back to 2013.
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Noddy
2020-05-19 07:52:11 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
According to Wiki the current model dates back to 2013.
I believe so, but the Frontier/Navara platform goes back to 2006 which
is considerably older.
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Xeno
2020-05-19 08:06:27 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
According to Wiki the current model dates back to 2013.
I believe so, but the Frontier/Navara platform goes back to 2006 which
is considerably older.
The *current* Tundra platform goes back to 2007. The 2014 update was
pretty much a cosmetic upgrade.

It isn't relevant anyway since the Tundra competes with the Dodge Ram
and the Ford F150 and was never on offer here except as a grey import.

Again, you compare oranges with apples.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Clocky
2020-05-19 12:33:11 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
Yeah, I don't know about that. The Insurance Institute for Highway
Safety in the US is a non profit organisation that has been fairly
critical of US made cars before.
Post by Daryl
https://www.iihs.org/
This test surprised me in that I was expecting the "big Americans" like
the Dodge and the F series to come a long way behind the rest of the
field as their build quality and safety ratings have always been poor.
But apparently they've lifted their game and come a long way in recent
times.
The Nissan "Frontier" (which is our D40 Navara the same as my model)
result was expected as it's a 15 year old platform, but the Toyota
Tundra result was appalling. The cabin deformation was substantially
worse than anything else in the field, and and surprising that it was
worse than the Frontier given that it's a considerably more modern vehicle.
Oh I see, this is supposed to be a Toyota bashing exercise for some
reason, I should have figured. Unfortunately for you it's not relevant
to our market same as the video I posted isn't.

Get it?
Xeno
2020-05-19 06:40:13 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there was
much difference to any of the results.
It is all about protecting the occupants. What do you think the crash
dummies are for? Decoration?
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video I
would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks were
given better ratings due to bias.
Didn't appear to be any bias in the results that I could see.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Lindsay
2020-05-19 10:17:10 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there was
much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video I
would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks were
given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.

But take a look at this piece of shit:



Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do ANY
of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
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Then he was asked to show the threads the deleted posts were in.
"I know where the threads are. The posts are no longer there." he said.
So show us the threads, we asked. This is where he goes real quiet..
Then we laughed at the liar who snookered himself with his own lies
"I have redressed it and it's no longer an issue. Simple as that."
Noddy
2020-05-19 11:14:18 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
They were out of the game :)
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Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Lol :)
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Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do ANY
of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
They probably all do now, but still. It's early days and they're yet to
prove themselves.

With all the angst the Chinese government are creating you wouldn't want
to be trying to sell anything "Chinese" at the moment.
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Noddy.
Daryl
2020-05-19 11:56:25 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do ANY
of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
The passenger compartment appeared to have stayed intact (can't see what
the floor did which might be a problem) but the seat belts let the dummy
hit its head on the steering wheel etc which is possibly why it got such
a bad rating?
I've seen cars in which people have died where the damage to the car
doesn't look so bad and others where people have walked away and the
cars look totally destroyed so its a complicated problem.
Vehicles should be designed so the passenger compartment sustains the
least damage, the rest is expendable.
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lindsay
2020-05-19 23:13:18 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to
what determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the
video I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made
trucks were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do
ANY of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
The passenger compartment appeared to have stayed intact (can't see what
the floor did which might be a problem) but the seat belts let the dummy
hit its head on the steering wheel etc which is possibly why it got such
a bad rating?
I'd imagine so. I thought the drivers head may have hit the rear of the
window frame too. No side airbags, rear axle seemed to get mobile too...
Post by Daryl
I've seen cars in which people have died where the damage to the car
doesn't look so bad and others where people have walked away and the
cars look totally destroyed so its a complicated problem.
Vehicles should be designed so the passenger compartment sustains the
least damage, the rest is expendable.
Yep.
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him to get the info. Trouble is, he was never involved in the incident.
He knows that, I know that and you had best wake up to it. xeno 24/08/14

"I was never in doubt that the accident took place." xeno 12/08/18
Clocky
2020-05-19 12:35:52 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video
I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks
were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do ANY
of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
lindsay
2020-05-19 23:07:05 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to
what determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the
video I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made
trucks were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do
ANY of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it has
a 5 star ancap rating.
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"If his story wasn't total and utter bullshit, it would be a doddle for
him to get the info. Trouble is, he was never involved in the incident.
He knows that, I know that and you had best wake up to it. xeno 24/08/14

"I was never in doubt that the accident took place." xeno 12/08/18
Noddy
2020-05-19 23:27:10 UTC
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Post by lindsay
Post by Clocky
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it has
a 5 star ancap rating.
If some of the fucktarded unicorn riding Toyota apologists around here
had any brains they'd realise that the "NP300" sold in Africa is in fact
nothing more than a 20+ year old D22 Navara they'd eventually work out
that it wouldn't be hard for *anything* to better it in a crash test.

Looks like a current model Toyota Tundra would give one a run for it's
money though :)
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Clocky
2020-05-20 02:09:10 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Clocky
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it
has a 5 star ancap rating.
If some of the fucktarded unicorn riding Toyota apologists around here
The only apologist are the Nissan fanboi's who feel the need to bash a
Toyota sold in another market.
Post by Noddy
had any brains they'd realise that the "NP300" sold in Africa is in fact
nothing more than a 20+ year old D22 Navara they'd eventually work out
that it wouldn't be hard for *anything* to better it in a crash test.
Duh and whoosh! *You* posted a link to crash tests that have no
relevance to us, dumb ass.
Post by Noddy
Looks like a current model Toyota Tundra would give one a run for it's
money though :)
And the Honda? You sound like an apologist for Nissan which is at odds
with Nissan who have apologised themselves for their consistently poor
quality and unreliable vehicles - including the Navara :-)
Xeno
2020-05-20 06:51:20 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Clocky
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300"
in Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it
has a 5 star ancap rating.
If some of the fucktarded unicorn riding Toyota apologists around here
The only apologist are the Nissan fanboi's who feel the need to bash a
Toyota sold in another market.
Post by Noddy
had any brains they'd realise that the "NP300" sold in Africa is in
fact nothing more than a 20+ year old D22 Navara they'd eventually
work out that it wouldn't be hard for *anything* to better it in a
crash test.
Duh and whoosh! *You* posted a link to crash tests that have no
relevance to us, dumb ass.
Post by Noddy
Looks like a current model Toyota Tundra would give one a run for it's
money though :)
And the Honda? You sound like an apologist for Nissan which is at odds
with Nissan who have apologised themselves for their consistently poor
quality and unreliable vehicles - including the Navara :-)
Nissan D40, the 3 star wonder ute!
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Xeno
2020-05-20 06:48:05 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Clocky
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it
has a 5 star ancap rating.
If some of the fucktarded unicorn riding Toyota apologists around here
had any brains they'd realise that the "NP300" sold in Africa is in fact
nothing more than a 20+ year old D22 Navara they'd eventually work out
that it wouldn't be hard for *anything* to better it in a crash test.
Looks like a current model Toyota Tundra would give one a run for it's
money though :)
The 3 star Nissan D40 apologist at work!
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Clocky
2020-05-20 01:58:18 UTC
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Post by lindsay
Post by Clocky
Post by Lindsay
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to
what determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there
was much difference to any of the results.
oh I dunno.. the Honda pax would be like " better send a meatwagon;
Charlie's copped a saucer to the throat"... :)
Post by Daryl
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the
video I would say that since the testing was in the US the US made
trucks were given better ratings due to bias.
I dunno about ratings, as like you say, US rating are different to here.
http://youtu.be/VQ9WdDGJDAM
Perhaps we should impose a 80% tariff on this crap. Along with Haval,
LDV, Mini, Ssanyyong  and all the rest of the made in China shit. Do
ANY of their brands and cars meet ANCAP ? any?
Still vastly better then the crap Nissan passed off as the "NP300" in
Africa!
Lucky my near flawless Nissan was made in Thailand, eh? I believe it has
a 5 star ancap rating.
It has nothing to do with what you drive, you miss my point that Nissan
are passing their old unsafe substandard zero star crap from 1997 off as
the "new" "NP300" in Africa.



Their lives don't matter?

The many quality problems with the our Navara and Pathfinder (and NP300)
are well known both here and globally in other markets and acknowledged
by Nissan themselves, so nothing to discuss there.
Clocky
2020-05-19 12:30:15 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Looks like they all sustained similar damage and no details as to what
determines the ratings.
If its all about protecting the occupants it didn't look like there was
much difference to any of the results.
If I had to make a cynical guess without any data other than the video I
would say that since the testing was in the US the US made trucks were
given better ratings due to bias.
Some vehicles didn't include the optional safety pack which brings them
up to 4/5 stars - which if safety was your primary concern you would
always opt for as a buyer. Whether that would have any influence on the
result we can't know, but it at least would have leveled the playing
field in terms of safety equipment.
Lindsay
2020-05-19 09:57:46 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Interesting. Toyota Tundra: At 1.48, the passenger airbag (RHS)
inflates, and the head glances off it. (drivers side, direct hit as
you'd expect.) And there's no headrests (provision for it. must be
something to do with the tests..) to stop the head snapping back. I
guess claiming whiplash is an american pastime. :-) And i thought the
rhf wheel was in the cabin at one stage, but maybe not...

Same with the Nissan Titan, no headrests, so watch the drivers head snap
back from the airbag... it did seem to keep it's shit together, and the
wheel was certainly better placed.

The Ram, like the rest, seemed to score damage from the rear as the tub
smashed into the cabin. But way more than the others.. nothing that
would appear deadly tho...

The Honda Ridgeline was a suprise for me as I thought all things Honda
were supposed to be the benchmark.. take a look at the dummy doing a
faceplant into the dash. Front pax airbag was useless. Dead wife or
child, imho. David Zyk would burst into tears if he saw that...

The Ford: I thought the airbags went off at different times... and Ford
have NEVER been able to glue a mirror on a screen :-)

Interesting Video. Cheers.
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Then he was asked to show the threads the deleted posts were in.
"I know where the threads are. The posts are no longer there." he said.
So show us the threads, we asked. This is where he goes real quiet..
Then we laughed at the liar who snookered himself with his own lies
"I have redressed it and it's no longer an issue. Simple as that."
Noddy
2020-05-19 11:03:14 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Interesting. Toyota Tundra: At 1.48, the passenger airbag (RHS)
inflates, and the head glances off it. (drivers side, direct hit as
you'd expect.)
Honda Ridgeline was the same. Bag inflates and passenger's head glances
off it and smacks into the air vent.
Post by Lindsay
And there's no headrests (provision for it. must be
something to do with the tests..) to stop the head snapping back. I
guess claiming whiplash is an american pastime. :-) And i thought the
rhf wheel was in the cabin at one stage, but maybe not...
The thing certainly folded up pretty easily. Don't think I would have
liked to have been in the passenger's seat :) It was quite surprising
really. Toyota's normally do reasonably well in crash test results. Not
stellar, but not bad either. But that result was abysmal.
Post by Lindsay
Same with the Nissan Titan, no headrests, so watch the drivers head snap
back from the airbag... it did seem to keep it's shit together, and the
wheel was certainly better placed.
I think the headrests are deliberately removed so the internal cameras
can get a better view of what's happening.
Post by Lindsay
The Ram, like the rest, seemed to score damage from the rear as the tub
smashed into the cabin. But way more than the others.. nothing that
would appear deadly tho...
No, but it certainly moved around in the back. Enough to pop open the
back door.

The Honda was rock solid in that regard.
Post by Lindsay
The Honda Ridgeline was a suprise for me as I thought all things Honda
were supposed to be the benchmark.. take a look at the dummy doing a
faceplant into the dash. Front pax airbag was useless. Dead wife or
child, imho. David Zyk would burst into tears if he saw that...
Lol :)

Yeah, the airbag seemed to be biased too far over towards the centre of
the car, but then it was a side glancing hit with all the forces headed
towards the passenger's side headlight.
Post by Lindsay
The Ford: I thought the airbags went off at different times... and Ford
have NEVER been able to glue a mirror on a screen :-)
Heh :)
Post by Lindsay
Interesting Video. Cheers.
It was. The kid was looking at it yesterday as par of his home school
science study and showed me as I walked past. Having owned a few cars
without so much as seat belts I've never really given too much of a fuck
about safety, but it was interesting to see the comparisons between
different manufacturers, and the results were surprising.

Traditionally the Japanese have been way better than the Americans, but
it seems the tables have turned. At least as far as pick up trucks go.

Toyota was extremely disappointing.
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Daryl
2020-05-19 12:07:22 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Interesting. Toyota Tundra: At 1.48, the passenger airbag (RHS)
inflates, and the head glances off it. (drivers side, direct hit as
you'd expect.)
Honda Ridgeline was the same. Bag inflates and passenger's head glances
off it and smacks into the air vent.
Post by Lindsay
And there's no headrests (provision for it. must be something to do
with the tests..) to stop the head snapping back. I guess claiming
whiplash is an american pastime. :-) And i thought the rhf wheel was
in the cabin at one stage, but maybe not...
The thing certainly folded up pretty easily. Don't think I would have
liked to have been in the passenger's seat :) It was quite surprising
really. Toyota's normally do reasonably well in crash test results. Not
stellar, but not bad either. But that result was abysmal.
Post by Lindsay
Same with the Nissan Titan, no headrests, so watch the drivers head
snap back from the airbag... it did seem to keep it's shit together,
and the wheel was certainly better placed.
I think the headrests are deliberately removed so the internal cameras
can get a better view of what's happening.
Post by Lindsay
The Ram, like the rest, seemed to score damage from the rear as the
tub smashed into the cabin. But way more than the others.. nothing
that would appear deadly tho...
No, but it certainly moved around in the back. Enough to pop open the
back door.
The Honda was rock solid in that regard.
Post by Lindsay
The Honda Ridgeline was a suprise for me as I thought all things Honda
were supposed to be the benchmark.. take a look at the dummy doing a
faceplant into the dash. Front pax airbag was useless. Dead wife or
child, imho. David Zyk would burst into tears if he saw that...
Lol :)
Yeah, the airbag seemed to be biased too far over towards the centre of
the car, but then it was a side glancing hit with all the forces headed
towards the passenger's side headlight.
Post by Lindsay
The Ford: I thought the airbags went off at different times... and
Ford have NEVER been able to glue a mirror on a screen :-)
Heh :)
Post by Lindsay
Interesting Video. Cheers.
It was. The kid was looking at it yesterday as par of his home school
science study and showed me as I walked past. Having owned a few cars
without so much as seat belts I've never really given too much of a fuck
about safety, but it was interesting to see the comparisons between
different manufacturers, and the results were surprising.
Traditionally the Japanese have been way better than the Americans, but
it seems the tables have turned. At least as far as pick up trucks go.
Toyota was extremely disappointing.
Possible because the American trucks are much later designs?
Don't know about the Tundra but Hilux usually has 10yrs between new
models with face lifts in between, with the way things change 10yrs
seems a long time between major upgrades especially upgrades to safety.
My 2009 Hilux SR doesn't even have ABS or TC, those things were fitted
to SR5 models and to lower models the next year, I don't feel unsafe
driving it but I do use extra caution especially if the road is wet.
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Noddy
2020-05-19 23:17:28 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Traditionally the Japanese have been way better than the Americans,
but it seems the tables have turned. At least as far as pick up trucks
go.
Toyota was extremely disappointing.
Possible because the American trucks are much later designs?
According to the wiki articles for both, the last major update of the
Tundra was in 2013, while the F150 was in 2015. Both have had continual
minor updates since, with safety "packages" added to various models.
Post by Daryl
Don't know about the Tundra but Hilux usually has 10yrs between new
models with face lifts in between, with the way things change 10yrs
seems a long time between major upgrades especially upgrades to safety.
My 2009 Hilux SR doesn't even have ABS or TC, those things were fitted
to SR5 models and to lower models the next year, I don't feel unsafe
driving it but I do use extra caution especially if the road is wet.
My Navara is a 2012 model and is getting a bit long in the tooth now,
and even though it has those I really don't care. I'm happy enough
without it, and think that having it all can present it's own problems.
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Clocky
2020-05-19 12:37:44 UTC
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Post by Lindsay
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
Interesting. Toyota Tundra: At 1.48, the passenger airbag (RHS)
inflates, and the head glances off it. (drivers side, direct hit as
you'd expect.)
Honda Ridgeline was the same. Bag inflates and passenger's head glances
off it and smacks into the air vent.
Post by Lindsay
And there's no headrests (provision for it. must be something to do
with the tests..) to stop the head snapping back. I guess claiming
whiplash is an american pastime. :-) And i thought the rhf wheel was
in the cabin at one stage, but maybe not...
The thing certainly folded up pretty easily. Don't think I would have
liked to have been in the passenger's seat :) It was quite surprising
really. Toyota's normally do reasonably well in crash test results. Not
stellar, but not bad either. But that result was abysmal.
Post by Lindsay
Same with the Nissan Titan, no headrests, so watch the drivers head
snap back from the airbag... it did seem to keep it's shit together,
and the wheel was certainly better placed.
I think the headrests are deliberately removed so the internal cameras
can get a better view of what's happening.
Post by Lindsay
The Ram, like the rest, seemed to score damage from the rear as the
tub smashed into the cabin. But way more than the others.. nothing
that would appear deadly tho...
No, but it certainly moved around in the back. Enough to pop open the
back door.
The Honda was rock solid in that regard.
Post by Lindsay
The Honda Ridgeline was a suprise for me as I thought all things Honda
were supposed to be the benchmark.. take a look at the dummy doing a
faceplant into the dash. Front pax airbag was useless. Dead wife or
child, imho. David Zyk would burst into tears if he saw that...
Lol :)
Yeah, the airbag seemed to be biased too far over towards the centre of
the car, but then it was a side glancing hit with all the forces headed
towards the passenger's side headlight.
Post by Lindsay
The Ford: I thought the airbags went off at different times... and
Ford have NEVER been able to glue a mirror on a screen :-)
Heh :)
Post by Lindsay
Interesting Video. Cheers.
It was. The kid was looking at it yesterday as par of his home school
science study and showed me as I walked past.
Oh yeah... lol.

Having owned a few cars
Post by Noddy
without so much as seat belts I've never really given too much of a fuck
about safety, but it was interesting to see the comparisons between
different manufacturers, and the results were surprising.
Traditionally the Japanese have been way better than the Americans, but
it seems the tables have turned. At least as far as pick up trucks go.
Toyota was extremely disappointing.
Trevor Wilson
2020-05-19 22:06:20 UTC
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The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
cars like this:

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020

Cheap and very safe.
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2020-05-19 23:18:21 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
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2020-05-19 23:44:10 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**Ummm, EVERY SINGLE ute on the market is far, far uglier. Besides
which, I would not choose a car on looks anyway. There are more
important factors.
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2020-05-20 00:39:55 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**Ummm, EVERY SINGLE ute on the market is far, far uglier. Besides
which, I would not choose a car on looks anyway. There are more
important factors.
If safety is the most important factor, Subaru don't even make the cut.

You should be driving an Audi.
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2020-05-20 10:15:03 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**Ummm, EVERY SINGLE ute on the market is far, far uglier. Besides
which, I would not choose a car on looks anyway. There are more
important factors.
If safety is the most important factor, Subaru don't even make the cut.
**Bullshit:

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/subaru/impreza/b37cd1

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/audi/a3/7ed1ad

5 stars for the Suby not much below the Audi.

If you want a car that doesn't make the cut, then look no further:

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/ford/mustang/be8eed
Post by Clocky
You should be driving an Audi.
**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on paper
and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've driven are
pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
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2020-05-20 10:47:34 UTC
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**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on paper
and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've driven are
pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
Yep. They're ridiculously over valued.

If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
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2020-05-20 11:31:54 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on paper
and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've driven are
pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
Yep. They're ridiculously over valued.
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
No cachet with Kia.
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Daryl
2020-05-20 12:31:54 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on paper
and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've driven are
pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
Yep. They're ridiculously over valued.
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Son has been buying a few cars for his wrecking business, currently has
an Audi A3, BMW X5 4.8lt V8 and a CL500 Merc, the 3 cars owe him
considerably less than $10k so they are good buys once they get over
10yrs old.
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Noddy
2020-05-20 14:21:32 UTC
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Post by Noddy
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Son has been buying a few cars for his wrecking business, currently has
an Audi A3, BMW X5 4.8lt V8 and a CL500 Merc, the 3 cars owe him
considerably less than $10k so they are good buys once they get over
10yrs old.
They can be "cheap" buys, but "good" is questionable.

A lot of Euro stuff doesn't hold it's value very well because they can
be problematic when they get older and are often hideously expensive to
repair and maintain.

That's not to say that every single one of them is, but that's their
history for the most part.
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Daryl
2020-05-21 08:10:22 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Son has been buying a few cars for his wrecking business, currently
has an Audi A3, BMW X5 4.8lt V8 and a CL500 Merc, the 3 cars owe him
considerably less than $10k so they are good buys once they get over
10yrs old.
They can be "cheap" buys, but "good" is questionable.
A lot of Euro stuff doesn't hold it's value very well because they can
be problematic when they get older and are often hideously expensive to
repair and maintain.
That's not to say that every single one of them is, but that's their
history for the most part.
For me personally I'd rather risk buying a Euro simply because I think
that they are much nicer to drive than anything Asian but obviously not
all that many people would agree.
Of the 3 makes the only one I've had any experience with is MB and both
mine and my son's cars have been very reliable and not at all expensive
to maintain.
My MB is actually cheaper to maintain than my wife's WRX, last service
dealer wanted $830.00 for a 110k service so I did it myself (exactly as
per the book) and saved $500.
The A3 has a DSG trans which are known to be problematic but AFAIK the
trans on the one my son has is OK.
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Clocky
2020-05-22 03:19:27 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia
Stinger. Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the
best bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Son has been buying a few cars for his wrecking business, currently
has an Audi A3, BMW X5 4.8lt V8 and a CL500 Merc, the 3 cars owe him
considerably less than $10k so they are good buys once they get over
10yrs old.
They can be "cheap" buys, but "good" is questionable.
A lot of Euro stuff doesn't hold it's value very well because they can
be problematic when they get older and are often hideously expensive
to repair and maintain.
That's not to say that every single one of them is, but that's their
history for the most part.
For me personally I'd rather risk buying a Euro simply because I think
that they are much nicer to drive than anything Asian but obviously not
all that many people would agree.
Of the 3 makes the only one I've had any experience with is MB and both
mine and my son's cars have been very reliable and not at all expensive
to maintain.
Until it goes pop and it's worth it's weight in scrap.

The very reason they are worthless on the second hand market because
that risk is very real. Not that it a bad thing, you can get a hell of a
lot of car for little money if you're prepared to chance your luck.
Clocky
2020-05-21 04:55:42 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on
paper and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've
driven are pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
Yep. They're ridiculously over valued.
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Son has been buying a few cars for his wrecking business, currently has
an Audi A3, BMW X5 4.8lt V8 and a CL500 Merc, the 3 cars owe him
considerably less than $10k so they are good buys once they get over
10yrs old.
They're all shit Daryl!
alvey
2020-05-20 22:22:39 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Perhaps. I rather like Audis. They certainly have the goods on paper
and the wagons look much nicer than Subys. Old Audis I've driven are
pretty decent too. Pity about the price.
Yep. They're ridiculously over valued.
lol.
You really don't have a clue Knobbo. And to think that you once claimed to
have bought truckloads of cars for people. It's safe to add that lie to the
ever-growing list.
Tell you what Knobbs! Let's keep it, like you, simple. Name a new car
that's faster *and* cheaper than the S3.
Post by Noddy
If you want a decent car at a great price then look at a Kia Stinger.
Excellent bit of kit with great performance, and about the best
bang-per-buck on the market at the moment. If you want an Audi
equivalent you'll need to lash out almost 3 times as much for an
optioned up A7.
Well good golly miss Molly.
And you claim to *not* read the posts of those you've run away from. Really
Knobbs, most people aren't as stupid as you. In the immortal words of the
villager (John Cleese) to the Old Man slung over his shoulder; "You're not
fooling anyone you know". What a sad, sad little buffoon you are.

To anyone who missed this display of wilful Knobbo ignorance last time; The
Audi S3 is a faster and better handling car than the Kia GT (and the two
models above it) and are roughly the same price. Under $5k difference.
"A7", "$150k". Lol! What an idiot.



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2020-05-20 02:53:06 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**Ummm, EVERY SINGLE ute on the market is far, far uglier.
In your opinion. I don't think *any* of them are attractive, but at
least a crew cab ute is mutli function. And the suby wagon is right at
home amongst them in the "ugly" stakes.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Besides which, I would not choose a car on looks anyway.
As you've demonstrated with the Levorg :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
There are more important factors.
There are to some. Whatever it is that blows your skirt up, you have to
be happy with it for whatever reason.
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2020-05-20 06:56:49 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**Ummm, EVERY SINGLE ute on the market is far, far uglier.
In your opinion. I don't think *any* of them are attractive, but at
least a crew cab ute is mutli function. And the suby wagon is right at
home amongst them in the "ugly" stakes.
A crew cab ute might be multi function but it does *none* of its
functions well. Especially those used primarily as a shopping
trolley/schoolkid drop off.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Besides which, I would not choose a car on looks anyway.
As you've demonstrated with the Levorg :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
There are more important factors.
There are to some. Whatever it is that blows your skirt up, you have to
be happy with it for whatever reason.
Performance, handling, braking, reliability - much more important
factors but, with a D40, you'll never need to concern yourself with such
matters. You Navara is deficient on all of those.
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2020-05-20 00:00:21 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i. Fucking
ugly as sin. Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
But wow. A very impressive thing to drive. Same deal with my Stagea. Not
pretty, but awesomely capable and phenomenally practical. I can fit a
lounge suite in the damned thing. Well, not quite, but it takes a lot
more than a Commodore can. It's a better thing to drive too.
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2020-05-20 03:01:30 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i. Fucking
ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.

The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet. The X3 had a face only
a mother could love, and the Isetta is the ugliest little "what the
fuck?" car you can never unsee in your life.
Post by Trevor Wilson
But wow. A very impressive thing to drive. Same deal with my Stagea. Not
pretty, but awesomely capable and phenomenally practical. I can fit a
lounge suite in the damned thing. Well, not quite, but it takes a lot
more than a Commodore can. It's a better thing to drive too.
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the market
that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your "benchmark" will
leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
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2020-05-20 07:34:01 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i. Fucking
ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
Ahhhh. Remember Knobbos' hilarious display of ignorance when he blurted
that; 'you'd have to spend $150k at the Audi dealer to get the same level
of spec and performance as a Kia Stinger'? A wild and hopeless guess that
was out by comfortably over 100%! Hahaha. How I laughed. Well he's done it
again folks! The 135i was not only regarded by many *experienced and
knowledgeable* pundits as an instant classic(1), but was well up the list
of BMW's most expensive models. Iirc it was nearly twice the price of the
*real* BMW poseurs bought for badge snobbery only, the lethally
underpowered 318. (Ironically though, I thought the 318 was the best
looking model in the showroom.)
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
Hmmmmm. Coming from someone whose car history is abysmal, who has a
roadworks wheelbarrow as their daily drive and a wince-inducing Failane as
their project 'dream' car then your opinion on style carries less weight
than Australia does in China's government. (Although at the speed that the
restoration of the Failane is 'proceeding' one could posit that even you
are having second thoughts about being seen in it in public. Even in
Bumhole (Vic)).

All up Knobbo, it's best that you stick to what you know. Accumulating
cable ties and trying to invent a fictitious past.



alvey
Footnoting (1): Try this old 135 review. Of course it's only that of a
motoring journo working for a leading online car site, so his opinion can't
possibly compare to that of a long-term unemployed ex-garage sweeper whose
been out in the toxic dump zone for a decade but it was the best I could
do. Ashley, that's not true. It was the first review I found.

https://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/bmw-135i-sport-coupe-20080828-14sys
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**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.

The X3 had a face only
Post by Noddy
a mother could love, and the Isetta is the ugliest little "what the
fuck?" car you can never unsee in your life.
Post by Trevor Wilson
But wow. A very impressive thing to drive. Same deal with my Stagea.
Not pretty, but awesomely capable and phenomenally practical. I can
fit a lounge suite in the damned thing. Well, not quite, but it takes
a lot more than a Commodore can. It's a better thing to drive too.
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the market
that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your "benchmark" will
leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
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2020-05-20 10:42:55 UTC
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**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Compared to what?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
I thought you might :)
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Post by Noddy
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the market
that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your "benchmark" will
leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
The Ford Territory is a *very* reasonably priced wagon. Drives pretty
well too.

Total heap of shit though, but that wasn't part of the selection criteria :)
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**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Compared to what?
**Choose any car you like. Obviously, it is not Ferrari quick and
capable, but it compares well with most cars. That said, it is still ugly.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
I thought you might :)
**Mea culpa. The I3 is, indeed, ugly as a hatful. I was thinking the I8:

https://www.bmw.com.au/en/all-models/bmw-i/i8-coupe/2017/bmw-i8-coupe.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqpP2BRBTEiwAfpiD-y6uhNRcvmqYAV5vvWRVTNKmmP68wdjINhFh0Z7hz8Uiew78R0e2TxoCClgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I like it.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the
market that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your
"benchmark" will leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
The Ford Territory is a *very* reasonably priced wagon. Drives pretty
well too.
**Like all such things, it is an overblown lump of a thing. I'd rather
my Stagea thanks. Quicker, more capable and can carry longer loads.
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Total heap of shit though, but that wasn't part of the selection criteria :)
**Correct. People need to stop buying stupid monster trucks. They, for
the most part, don't need them.
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2020-05-20 22:48:57 UTC
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**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of
arseholes, but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Compared to what?
**Choose any car you like. Obviously, it is not Ferrari quick and
capable, but it compares well with most cars. That said, it is still ugly.
It is indeed, but you seem to be agreeing with me. There doesn't seem to
be anything special about what it does, other than lay claim to being a
pretty ugly car.
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Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have
been remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
I thought you might :)
https://www.bmw.com.au/en/all-models/bmw-i/i8-coupe/2017/bmw-i8-coupe.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqpP2BRBTEiwAfpiD-y6uhNRcvmqYAV5vvWRVTNKmmP68wdjINhFh0Z7hz8Uiew78R0e2TxoCClgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I like it.
Yeah, me too. It's sexy.
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You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the
market that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your
"benchmark" will leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
The Ford Territory is a *very* reasonably priced wagon. Drives pretty
well too.
**Like all such things, it is an overblown lump of a thing. I'd rather
my Stagea thanks. Quicker, more capable and can carry longer loads.
Given that the Stegea is a shorter car with a shorter wheelbase I don't
think so. Not unless it has some miraculous means of folding up the
seats that the Territory doesn't have. I'd also suggest that the
Territory is more capable given that it's available in AWD variants.

You really *do* need to get out more.
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Post by Noddy
Total heap of shit though, but that wasn't part of the selection criteria :)
**Correct. People need to stop buying stupid monster trucks. They, for
the most part, don't need them.
For fuck's sake. There is nothing "monster truck" about a Ford
Territory. It's a regular Falcon wagon with a high roof line for fuck's
sake :)
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Clocky
2020-05-22 03:21:40 UTC
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**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of
arseholes, but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Compared to what?
**Choose any car you like. Obviously, it is not Ferrari quick and
capable, but it compares well with most cars. That said, it is still ugly.
It is indeed, but you seem to be agreeing with me.
Avoidance noted...

There doesn't seem to
Post by Noddy
be anything special about what it does, other than lay claim to being a
pretty ugly car.
...and the attempt at misdirection.
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have
been remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
I thought you might :)
https://www.bmw.com.au/en/all-models/bmw-i/i8-coupe/2017/bmw-i8-coupe.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwqpP2BRBTEiwAfpiD-y6uhNRcvmqYAV5vvWRVTNKmmP68wdjINhFh0Z7hz8Uiew78R0e2TxoCClgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I like it.
Yeah, me too. It's sexy.
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the
market that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your
"benchmark" will leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
The Ford Territory is a *very* reasonably priced wagon. Drives pretty
well too.
**Like all such things, it is an overblown lump of a thing. I'd rather
my Stagea thanks. Quicker, more capable and can carry longer loads.
Given that the Stegea is a shorter car with a shorter wheelbase I don't
think so. Not unless it has some miraculous means of folding up the
seats that the Territory doesn't have. I'd also suggest that the
Territory is more capable given that it's available in AWD variants.
You really *do* need to get out more.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Total heap of shit though, but that wasn't part of the selection criteria :)
**Correct. People need to stop buying stupid monster trucks. They, for
the most part, don't need them.
For fuck's sake. There is nothing "monster truck" about a Ford
Territory. It's a regular Falcon wagon with a high roof line for fuck's
sake :)
alvey
2020-05-20 22:49:39 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
The X3 had a face only
Post by Noddy
a mother could love, and the Isetta is the ugliest little "what the
fuck?" car you can never unsee in your life.
Post by Trevor Wilson
But wow. A very impressive thing to drive. Same deal with my Stagea.
Not pretty, but awesomely capable and phenomenally practical. I can
fit a lounge suite in the damned thing. Well, not quite, but it takes
a lot more than a Commodore can. It's a better thing to drive too.
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the market
that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your "benchmark" will
leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
Give it up Trevor. All you have to support your opinion is the fact that
you've driven one...



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2020-05-21 05:04:05 UTC
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**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Og course he hasn't. Jesus, he says he drives a fucking Navara
"enthusiastically" but even then it's slower then my 27 year old Commodore!

Otherwise he drives clapped out Fords and a $300 money pit truck, can't
tell the difference between a 70 series and 200 series Land Cruiser and
his race engines explode after 1 lap. What he knows about performance
vehicles he proves here on a regular basis.

Nothing :-)
Clocky
2020-05-21 05:08:11 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
**I should add that a mate came over last year in his BMW 135i.
Fucking ugly as sin.
Yep. The BMW you buy when you can't afford a real one.
**Huh? Have you DRIVEN an 135i? I have. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes,
but a delight to drive. Quick, capable and impressive.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Worst looking BMW of all time. Far uglier than most cars.
I dunno about that. BMW have made some great cars, but some have been
remarkably hideous to look at.
The I3 is one of the ugliest cars on the planet.
**I love the I3. I want one.
 The X3 had a face only
Post by Noddy
a mother could love, and the Isetta is the ugliest little "what the
fuck?" car you can never unsee in your life.
Post by Trevor Wilson
But wow. A very impressive thing to drive. Same deal with my Stagea.
Not pretty, but awesomely capable and phenomenally practical. I can
fit a lounge suite in the damned thing. Well, not quite, but it takes
a lot more than a Commodore can. It's a better thing to drive too.
You need to get out more Trevor. There are a lot of cars on the market
that drive very well, and using a Commodore as your "benchmark" will
leave you permanently impressed by most of them :)
**As a reasonably priced wagon? Do tell.
The wagons since VE haven't been full size wagons so yeah, you will
easily find older cars with more room. If you want a wagon with V8
performance the Commodore is not a bad bang for buck option (never mind
what the irrelevant Merrimu scrap merchant will have you believe).
Daryl
2020-05-20 00:38:35 UTC
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The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant to
this thread.
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Clocky
2020-05-20 02:49:47 UTC
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The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be driving
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant to
this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
Xeno
2020-05-20 06:52:00 UTC
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Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
And it still isn't.
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Trevor Wilson
2020-05-20 10:21:04 UTC
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The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across the
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him carry a
tool in 3 months.
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2020-05-20 10:50:53 UTC
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Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across the
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him carry a
tool in 3 months.
What a fucking ridiculous and totally irrelevant statement.

In the first place, what this guy does with his ute has nothing
whatsoever to do with the results of the crash test video, and in the
second place apart from seeing his car parked on the job site across the
street you have absolutely no fucking idea what he does with the thing
when he's not within sight of you.

I don't tow everyday, but when I do it's usually a load that is well
beyond the limit of every "sedan" on the market.
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Xeno
2020-05-20 11:34:15 UTC
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Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across
the road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried
in it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but
that would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him
carry a tool in 3 months.
What a fucking ridiculous and totally irrelevant statement.
In the first place, what this guy does with his ute has nothing
whatsoever to do with the results of the crash test video, and in the
second place apart from seeing his car parked on the job site across the
street you have absolutely no fucking idea what he does with the thing
when he's not within sight of you.
I don't tow everyday, but when I do it's usually a load that is well
beyond the limit of every "sedan" on the market.
The only thing you tow around is a load of your bullshit stories of
trade relevance and equally fraudulent automotive trade qualifications.
That's a decent jag for a trailer right there - 2 decades worth at a
minimum.
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Xeno
2020-05-20 11:30:55 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across the
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him carry a
tool in 3 months.
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley, kids
to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been cultivating
an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been within cooee of an
apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
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Trevor Wilson
2020-05-20 20:59:14 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across
the road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried
in it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but
that would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him
carry a tool in 3 months.
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley, kids
to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been cultivating
an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been within cooee of an
apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that. In reality, they could
hire a monster truck for the times they tow a van (prolly once a decade)
and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc. My old man happily towed his van
around Australia with his VL Commodore. Mum drove half the way. No
issues. The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either
think they're safer, or they like the height of the things.

For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle. Maybe
a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we took a
'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a few
times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
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2020-05-20 23:03:42 UTC
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Post by Xeno
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley, kids
to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been
cultivating an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been within
cooee of an apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that.
Of course you do. It doesn't suit your ridiculous bias to believe
anything else. The reality is though that you simply do not have the
slightest clue what anyone other than yourself does with their vehicle.
Post by Trevor Wilson
In reality, they could hire a monster truck for the times they tow a van (prolly once a decade)
and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc.
What a completely nonsensical argument.

Taken to extremes, you could have bought a moped rather than your
Levorg, and simply hired a wagon whenever you wanted to carry something
in the back.
Post by Trevor Wilson
My old man happily towed his van
around Australia with his VL Commodore. Mum drove half the way. No
issues.
And what "van" was that, Trevor? A 1980's Jayco that weighs about 900kg?

Let me give you a red hot tip here for free. If they had a van that they
were legally able to tow with a VL Commodore, then it wasn't much of a
one :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either
think they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
You have no idea, you unicorn riding idiot :)

Unlike you I can't speak for anyone else, but *I* have a crew cab ute
because I want a load carrying vehicle with a decent towing capacity
that seats 5 people, and such a vehicle is the *only* thing that will do
that. There isn't a sedan on the market that will tow 3 tonne which I do
on occasion, and I use the "ute" tub just about every time I go out in
the thing. It is truly a multi function vehicle that gets used to it's
full potential. It is a truck, and make no mistake about that, but if I
didn't have a need for it's capabilities I wouldn't own the fucking thing.

There are certainly *far* nicer vehicles to drive and own, but there are
no other types that meet the need.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle. Maybe
a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we took a
'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a few
times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
So for the two times a year you would wander off onto a dirt road and
take advantage of the "special" features the vehicle has to offer you'd
be happy to spend the rest of your time driving around in a vehicle that
offers you sub standard performance in an urban environment.

Hypocrite much?
--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl
2020-05-21 08:30:21 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley,
kids to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been
cultivating an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been
within cooee of an apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that.
Of course you do. It doesn't suit your ridiculous bias to believe
anything else. The reality is though that you simply do not have the
slightest clue what anyone other than yourself does with their vehicle.
Post by Trevor Wilson
In reality, they could hire a monster truck for the times they tow a
van (prolly once a decade) and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc.
What a completely nonsensical argument.
Agree, if that was true why does no one do that.
Post by Noddy
Taken to extremes, you could have bought a moped rather than your
Levorg, and simply hired a wagon whenever you wanted to carry something
in the back.
Post by Trevor Wilson
My old man happily towed his van around Australia with his VL
Commodore. Mum drove half the way. No issues.
And what "van" was that, Trevor? A 1980's Jayco that weighs about 900kg?
Let me give you a red hot tip here for free. If they had a van that they
were legally able to tow with a VL Commodore, then it wasn't much of a
one :)
Either that or like most people back then he either ignored or didn't
even know about the car max towing capacity.
I know a couple of people that have owned off road type caravans that
weigh over 3tonne when fully loaded, a VL Commodore would be lucky to
even move a big van let alone tow it safely.
A VL's towing capacity is 1590kg so it could legally tow a small light
caravan, back in the day that's what people did but they were shit tow
vehicles, my 10yr old 2WD Hilux is light years ahead of a VL for towing.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either think
they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
You have no idea, you unicorn riding idiot :)
Some might like "height" but its not the main reason people buy utes, a
lot of duel cab ute sales to people who Trev thinks don't need them is
due to a tax loophole, vehicles with one tonne load capacity or more are
more or less exempt from FBT.
Post by Noddy
Unlike you I can't speak for anyone else, but *I* have a crew cab ute
because I want a load carrying vehicle with a decent towing capacity
that seats 5 people, and such a vehicle is the *only* thing that will do
that. There isn't a sedan on the market that will tow 3 tonne which I do
on occasion, and I use the "ute" tub just about every time I go out in
the thing. It is truly a multi function vehicle that gets used to it's
full potential. It is a truck, and make no mistake about that, but if I
didn't have a need for it's capabilities I wouldn't own the fucking thing.
There are certainly *far* nicer vehicles to drive and own, but there are
no other types that meet the need.
Absolutely.
--
Daryl
Xeno
2020-05-21 02:04:09 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not
relevant to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across
the road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has
carried in it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a
sedan, but that would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never
seen him carry a tool in 3 months.
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley, kids
to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been
cultivating an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been within
cooee of an apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that. In reality, they could
hire a monster truck for the times they tow a van (prolly once a decade)
and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc. My old man happily towed his van
around Australia with his VL Commodore. Mum drove half the way. No
issues.
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a year
- as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the caravan
creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the costs just
escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable self contained
camper for those occasions would be more cost effective. For my needs, a
quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business, if I
needed to make a delivery a long distance away, usually interstate, I
would just rent something like a Falcon wagon - long legs for highway
cruising, smooth ride so the cargo (hard drives) didn't get bounced
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages marked
fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country NSW. Took
the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on the business
trip.
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either
think they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
Or they have penis insecurity issues.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle. Maybe
a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we took a
'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a few
times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara. His was the bottom rung level FWD,
not 4WD. He didn't need 4WD but did need some extra ground clearance for
the road out to his farm. He had a Hyundai diesel i30 that he bought new
10 year ago and has now sold that. He only tows a 6x4 box trailer for
his business at the weekend markets and weekday deliveries.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
lindsay
2020-05-21 07:14:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not
relevant to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across
the road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has
carried in it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a
sedan, but that would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman.
Never seen him carry a tool in 3 months.
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley,
kids to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been
cultivating an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been
within cooee of an apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that. In reality, they could
hire a monster truck for the times they tow a van (prolly once a
decade) and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc. My old man happily towed
his van around Australia with his VL Commodore. Mum drove half the
way. No issues.
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a year
- as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the caravan
creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the costs just
escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable self contained
camper for those occasions would be more cost effective. For my needs, a
quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business,
Your little "part-time business", selling 2nd hand hard drives, that
failed because you had no foresight as a "businessman"? That "business"?

Bwahahahahaha

if I
Post by Xeno
needed to make a delivery a long distance away, usually interstate, I
would just rent something like a Falcon wagon - long legs for highway
cruising, smooth ride so the cargo (hard drives)
Bwahahahaha IT *was* the *failed* "business" !!!! :-D

didn't get bounced
Post by Xeno
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages marked
fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country NSW. Took
the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on the business
trip.
Yet you haven't a clue about business, the costs of fuel etc...
"The fibreglass business not going so well these days Linsey? Can't be
if you need to be so penny pinching on the cost of fuel." 08/05/16

Still alive and kicking 5 years later, Tommy. How about you? No, you
*failed*. How's your very own business acumen? "Made more money on my
'part time' business than I did on my full time job. If my
importer/supplier hadn't gone to the wall, I might still be doing it.
16/07/16

But your not, because you didnt have the foresight to diversify, and
laid all your 2nd hand eggs in one basket, didnt you, you silly dumb
hypocritical liar.
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either think
they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
Or they have penis insecurity issues.
Or they go where your little shopping trolley cant, or carry more weight
than your sad little wheelbarrow could hope, or drag a bobcat 40 k into
town. (remember that little fuck-up, dribble dick? :-D I do :-D )
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle.
Maybe a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we
took a 'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a few
times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara.
Of course he did. What a surprise.

His was the bottom rung level FWD,
Post by Xeno
not 4WD. He didn't need 4WD but did need some extra ground clearance for
the road out to his farm. He had a Hyundai diesel i30 that he bought new
10 year ago and has now sold that. He only tows a 6x4 box trailer for
his business at the weekend markets and weekday deliveries.
--
"If his story wasn't total and utter bullshit, it would be a doddle for
him to get the info. Trouble is, he was never involved in the incident.
He knows that, I know that and you had best wake up to it. xeno 24/08/14

"I was never in doubt that the accident took place." xeno 12/08/18
Noddy
2020-05-21 07:58:42 UTC
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Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a
year - as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the
caravan creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the
costs just escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable self
contained camper for those occasions would be more cost effective. For
my needs, a quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business,
Your little "part-time business", selling 2nd hand hard drives, that
failed because you had no foresight as a "businessman"? That "business"?
Bwahahahahaha
ROTFL :) Yeah, because that really happened, huh? :)

Made more money from that than with his regular "teaching" job apparently.

Right :)
Post by lindsay
 if I
Post by Xeno
needed to make a delivery a long distance away, usually interstate, I
would just rent something like a Falcon wagon - long legs for highway
cruising, smooth ride so the cargo (hard drives)
Bwahahahaha  IT *was* the *failed* "business" !!!! :-D
Fucking hell. Talk about turd polishing. It was computer swap meets and
local shops last time he threw this bullshit story about like confetti.
*Now* it's making interstate trips in hired cars :)

For fuck's sake. And *I* get chastised because I can't remember a date
or a money value?

Bwahahahahahahahaha :) :) :)
Post by lindsay
 didn't get bounced
Post by Xeno
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages
marked fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country
NSW. Took the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on
the business trip.
Yet you haven't a clue about business, the costs of fuel etc...
"The fibreglass business not going so well these days Linsey? Can't be
if  you need to be so penny pinching on the cost of fuel." 08/05/16
Still alive and kicking 5 years later, Tommy. How about you? No, you
*failed*. How's your very own business acumen? "Made more money on my
'part time' business than I did on my full time job. If my
importer/supplier hadn't gone to the wall, I might still be doing it.
16/07/16
But your not, because you didnt have the foresight to diversify, and
laid all your 2nd hand eggs in one basket, didnt you, you silly dumb
hypocritical liar.
Lol :)

His "business experience" is absolutely fucking zip, as the story of
RMD'd hard drives being sent back to Oz so he could sell them out of the
boot of his car is exactly that.

A fucking *story* :)
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either think
they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
Or they have penis insecurity issues.
Or they go where your little shopping trolley cant, or carry more weight
than your sad little wheelbarrow could hope, or drag a bobcat 40 k into
town. (remember that little fuck-up, dribble dick? :-D I do :-D )
Hahahaha :)
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle.
Maybe a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we
took a 'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a
few times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara.
Of course he did. What a surprise.
Yeah, amazing huh?

Kinda odd that a person who claims to have to take their ipad everywhere
because no one will talk to him can actually have so many "friends".
Even more odd that they all just *happen* to be people who are relevant
to whatever he happens to be bullshitting about :)

The relevance deprivation that this cunt goes through every day must
fucking *kill* him. Shame he didn't die recently though, as the "10
mourners at a funeral" limit would have suited him nicely :)
--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.
Xeno
2020-05-21 10:10:18 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Xeno
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a
year - as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the
caravan creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the
costs just escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable
self contained camper for those occasions would be more cost
effective. For my needs, a quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business,
ROTFL :) Yeah, because that really happened, huh? :)
It sure did. Helped get my house paid off in half the time and kept the
wolf from the door in the high interest rate era of the late 80s, early
90s.
Post by Noddy
Made more money from that than with his regular "teaching" job apparently.
Right :)
Yep, I did. It was very profitable indeed. The drives I took to NSW were
*new drives* that had never been formatted. They were complete with
case, power supply and intelligent controllers using the IEEE-488 (GPIB)
interface. I took 3 loads up to a chap in Coogee - he was my best
individual customer.
Post by Noddy
Fucking hell. Talk about turd polishing. It was computer swap meets and
Computer swap meets is *your invention*. I never sold hard drives at
swapmeets, another of your bullshit claims. In fact, I never sold
anything at a swapmeet - ever.
Post by Noddy
local shops last time he threw this bullshit story about like confetti.
*Now* it's making interstate trips in hired cars :)
Yep, Falcon wagons were my choice of vehicle. I used to rent them for
family trips to NSW and SA as well.
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. And *I* get chastised because I can't remember a date
or a money value?
Your claims are bullshit, that's why! Like your fake claims of trade
qualifications. No record exists at PROV of you ever having attained
*any* trade qualification nor any evidence that you were even signed up
to *any* apprenticeship.
Post by Noddy
Bwahahahahahahahaha  :) :) :)
  didn't get bounced
Post by Xeno
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages
marked fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country
NSW. Took the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on
the business trip.
Lol :)
His "business experience" is absolutely fucking zip, as the story of
RMD'd hard drives being sent back to Oz so he could sell them out of the
boot of his car is exactly that.
That would be "RMA hard drives". I didn't sell them from the boot of my
car, that's one of your lying claims. You do that a lot as Clocky will
attest. Hell, you're even pilfering *his stories* now.
Post by Noddy
A fucking *story* :)
Hahahaha :)
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle.
Maybe a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South,
we took a 'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a
few times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara.
Yeah, amazing huh?
He loves it and he's very happy with it.
Post by Noddy
Kinda odd that a person who claims to have to take their ipad everywhere
because no one will talk to him can actually have so many "friends".
Again, your bullshit Noddy. I have lots of friends Noddy. You see, I
don't have to isolate myself on top of a desolate mesa out of town.
Post by Noddy
Even more odd that they all just *happen* to be people who are relevant
to whatever he happens to be bullshitting about :)
Bullshitting is your forte Noddy. Like the fake claims to have done 3
apprenticeships and received 2 trade qualifications. Pity, isn't it,
that it was illegal, therefore impossible, to do a second apprenticeship
in Victoria until after a couple of laws were repealed in 1992. The
reality, you didn't even get a start on your first apprenticeship
because you, as a year 9 dropout, didn't even meet the *entry level* to
a standard apprenticeship much less the higher entry level required to
get signed up for an AME apprenticeship. If you ever worked at the
airport, and there is no proof you ever did, it was only ever as a
dogsbody, a *trades assistant* whose role it was to hand the real
tradesman his tools and clean up after. Bib Stillwell didn't need any
*labourers* in his dealerships, that's why you were given the flick.
Post by Noddy
The relevance deprivation that this cunt goes through every day must
fucking *kill* him. Shame he didn't die recently though, as the "10
mourners at a funeral" limit would have suited him nicely :)
It's *relevance deprivation* that makes nobodies like you *pretend* to
be a qualified tradesman. The reality is, you didn't make the cut from
the get go and it really hurts you.
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
alvey
2020-05-21 22:21:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a
year - as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the
caravan creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the
costs just escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable self
contained camper for those occasions would be more cost effective. For
my needs, a quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business,
Your little "part-time business", selling 2nd hand hard drives, that
failed because you had no foresight as a "businessman"? That "business"?
Bwahahahahaha
ROTFL :) Yeah, because that really happened, huh? :)
Made more money from that than with his regular "teaching" job apparently.
Right :)
Hypocrisy Time:
"The fuck would you know? You weren't there and were never involved".
Knobbo, 12Mar18
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
 if I
Post by Xeno
needed to make a delivery a long distance away, usually interstate, I
would just rent something like a Falcon wagon - long legs for highway
cruising, smooth ride so the cargo (hard drives)
Bwahahahaha  IT *was* the *failed* "business" !!!! :-D
Fucking hell. Talk about turd polishing.
And how is the Failaine restoration going?
Post by Noddy
It was computer swap meets and
local shops last time he threw this bullshit story about like confetti.
*Now* it's making interstate trips in hired cars :)
For fuck's sake. And *I* get chastised because I can't remember a date
or a money value?
Don't be modest Knobbo! (He said ironically), add in the rest. The lies
about owning a business, being qualified, buying land in SEQ, working on
"countless" Euro exotica and hundreds of minor self-aggrandising lies. And
last but not least, because you're an abusive & cowardly cretin.
Post by Noddy
Bwahahahahahahahaha :) :) :)
Time for a nappy change?
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
 didn't get bounced
Post by Xeno
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages
marked fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country
NSW. Took the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on
the business trip.
Yet you haven't a clue about business, the costs of fuel etc...
"The fibreglass business not going so well these days Linsey? Can't be
if  you need to be so penny pinching on the cost of fuel." 08/05/16
Still alive and kicking 5 years later, Tommy. How about you? No, you
*failed*. How's your very own business acumen? "Made more money on my
'part time' business than I did on my full time job. If my
importer/supplier hadn't gone to the wall, I might still be doing it.
16/07/16
But your not, because you didnt have the foresight to diversify, and
laid all your 2nd hand eggs in one basket, didnt you, you silly dumb
hypocritical liar.
Lol :)
His "business experience" is absolutely fucking zip, as the story of
RMD'd hard drives being sent back to Oz so he could sell them out of the
boot of his car is exactly that.
A fucking *story* :)
Small spuds compared to your fable of Noddys Automotive of Altona. You
know. The business that there's no proof of existance *anywhere* and which
you refuse to provide any proof of.
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either think
they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
Or they have penis insecurity issues.
Or they go where your little shopping trolley cant, or carry more weight
than your sad little wheelbarrow could hope, or drag a bobcat 40 k into
town. (remember that little fuck-up, dribble dick? :-D I do :-D )
Hahahaha :)
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle.
Maybe a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we
took a 'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a
few times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara.
Of course he did. What a surprise.
Yeah, amazing huh?
Kinda odd that a person who claims to have to take their ipad everywhere
because no one will talk to him can actually have so many "friends".
Even more odd that they all just *happen* to be people who are relevant
to whatever he happens to be bullshitting about :)
Brilliant logic Knobbo! Why would anyone mention someone who *wasn't*
relevant? Twit.

Oh btw... How about you sally forth from Kastle Killfail *again* and
challenge the existence of his latest "friend". That was soooo much fun
last time!
Post by Noddy
The relevance deprivation that this cunt goes through every day must
fucking *kill* him. Shame he didn't die recently though, as the "10
mourners at a funeral" limit would have suited him nicely :)
Oh come on Knobbo! Would you please make it just a tiny bit challenging to
show you as goose?

Knobbo had so few friends in Melbourne, if any, that after 40 odd years he
had no problems upping and moving to Bumhole (Vic). A place where even a
normal person would have problems making accquaintances, never mind
friends.
Well played champ.

And now it's time for a spot of; 'Spot The Discrepancy!'

"Now that he's gone, his house and tools could more than cover his debt,
and leave my mum with a tidy sum, but it's too nice a home to sell and
she'd still need to find a place to live. Mum doesn't want to move, and dad
offered the house to me before he died at a reduced price on the proviso
that I'd finalise his affairs for him and mum lived with us for me to take
care of her in her old age. So, that's what I'm doing.” Knobbo, 06Nov03

"My father bought his 3 bedroom 1964 brick vaneer (sic) house in Altona for
91 grand in 1987, and I bought it from his estate for 300 grand in 2003. I
sold it again in 2010 for 770 thousand, and today it's estimated value
is 1.4 million". Knobb, 23Nov18



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2020-05-22 02:57:51 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
I often wonder about the efficacy of having a caravan to use once a
year - as is the case with most owners. The perceived need for the
caravan creates a need for a vehicle large enough to tow it and the
costs just escalate from there. I suspect just renting a suitable self
contained camper for those occasions would be more cost effective. For
my needs, a quick popup tent would be more suitable.
In the same vein, back when I was running my little business,
Your little "part-time business", selling 2nd hand hard drives, that
failed because you had no foresight as a "businessman"? That "business"?
Bwahahahahaha
ROTFL :) Yeah, because that really happened, huh? :)
Made more money from that than with his regular "teaching" job apparently.
Right :)
"The fuck would you know? You weren't there and were never involved".
Knobbo, 12Mar18
Yep. He certainly wouldn't have a clue what my regular teaching job
entailed. That's because he never attended TAFE as an apprentice - ever.
All he ever did in TAFE was a hobby course in bodybuilding/spray painting.
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
 if I
Post by Xeno
needed to make a delivery a long distance away, usually interstate, I
would just rent something like a Falcon wagon - long legs for highway
cruising, smooth ride so the cargo (hard drives)
Bwahahahaha  IT *was* the *failed* "business" !!!! :-D
Fucking hell. Talk about turd polishing.
And how is the Failaine restoration going?
Post by Noddy
It was computer swap meets and
local shops last time he threw this bullshit story about like confetti.
*Now* it's making interstate trips in hired cars :)
For fuck's sake. And *I* get chastised because I can't remember a date
or a money value?
Don't be modest Knobbo! (He said ironically), add in the rest. The lies
about owning a business, being qualified, buying land in SEQ, working on
"countless" Euro exotica and hundreds of minor self-aggrandising lies. And
last but not least, because you're an abusive & cowardly cretin.
Post by Noddy
Bwahahahahahahahaha :) :) :)
Time for a nappy change?
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
 didn't get bounced
Post by Xeno
around too much and, being new, was reliable. Hard drives were very
delicate in those days and I'd seen how couriers treated packages
marked fragile. I did a number of deliveries to Sydney and country
NSW. Took the family up a couple of times and had a holiday whilst on
the business trip.
Yet you haven't a clue about business, the costs of fuel etc...
"The fibreglass business not going so well these days Linsey? Can't be
if  you need to be so penny pinching on the cost of fuel." 08/05/16
Still alive and kicking 5 years later, Tommy. How about you? No, you
*failed*. How's your very own business acumen? "Made more money on my
'part time' business than I did on my full time job. If my
importer/supplier hadn't gone to the wall, I might still be doing it.
16/07/16
But your not, because you didnt have the foresight to diversify, and
laid all your 2nd hand eggs in one basket, didnt you, you silly dumb
hypocritical liar.
Lol :)
His "business experience" is absolutely fucking zip, as the story of
RMD'd hard drives being sent back to Oz so he could sell them out of the
boot of his car is exactly that.
A fucking *story* :)
Small spuds compared to your fable of Noddys Automotive of Altona. You
know. The business that there's no proof of existance *anywhere* and which
you refuse to provide any proof of.
Post by Noddy
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either think
they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
Or they have penis insecurity issues.
Or they go where your little shopping trolley cant, or carry more weight
than your sad little wheelbarrow could hope, or drag a bobcat 40 k into
town. (remember that little fuck-up, dribble dick? :-D I do :-D )
Hahahaha :)
Post by lindsay
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle.
Maybe a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we
took a 'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a
few times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
A friend just bought a Suzuki Vitara.
Of course he did. What a surprise.
Yeah, amazing huh?
Kinda odd that a person who claims to have to take their ipad everywhere
because no one will talk to him can actually have so many "friends".
Even more odd that they all just *happen* to be people who are relevant
to whatever he happens to be bullshitting about :)
Brilliant logic Knobbo! Why would anyone mention someone who *wasn't*
relevant? Twit.
Noddy clearly has no clue on the meaning of relevant. He thinks
pretending to be trade qualified makes him relevant to the automotive
trade.
Post by alvey
Oh btw... How about you sally forth from Kastle Killfail *again* and
challenge the existence of his latest "friend". That was soooo much fun
last time!
Speaking of *that friend* in Vietnam, he has now changed jobs. He is now
building services manager of this place;

http://www.bitexcofinancialtower.com/?lang=en

It's an impressive place. Noddy will have to ring there now and, no, I
don't know his work number but it should be on the website. I have his
mobile number but that's private.
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
The relevance deprivation that this cunt goes through every day must
fucking *kill* him. Shame he didn't die recently though, as the "10
mourners at a funeral" limit would have suited him nicely :)
Oh come on Knobbo! Would you please make it just a tiny bit challenging to
show you as goose?
Noddy is way too *intellectually challenged* to do that.
Post by alvey
Knobbo had so few friends in Melbourne, if any, that after 40 odd years he
had no problems upping and moving to Bumhole (Vic). A place where even a
normal person would have problems making accquaintances, never mind
friends.
Well played champ.
And now it's time for a spot of; 'Spot The Discrepancy!'
"Now that he's gone, his house and tools could more than cover his debt,
and leave my mum with a tidy sum, but it's too nice a home to sell and
she'd still need to find a place to live. Mum doesn't want to move, and dad
offered the house to me before he died at a reduced price on the proviso
that I'd finalise his affairs for him and mum lived with us for me to take
care of her in her old age. So, that's what I'm doing.” Knobbo, 06Nov03
"My father bought his 3 bedroom 1964 brick vaneer (sic) house in Altona for
91 grand in 1987, and I bought it from his estate for 300 grand in 2003. I
sold it again in 2010 for 770 thousand, and today it's estimated value
is 1.4 million". Knobb, 23Nov18
alvey
It's actually a spot of "spot the bullshit". Given that his various
stories on his 3 apprenticeships are all false as are any claims of
qualifications, it's an odds on bet *both* those stories are bullshit.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Clocky
2020-05-21 04:50:03 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Xeno
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not
relevant to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across
the road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has
carried in it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a
sedan, but that would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never
seen him carry a tool in 3 months.
I thought you were talking about Noddy there for a moment. He has a
*tradie ute* and all it does is serve duty as a shopping trolley, kids
to school and as a pretense of being a tradie. Noddy's been
cultivating an image too, that of a tradie, but he's never been within
cooee of an apprenticeship much less a trade qualification.
**I regularly hear owners of monster trucks blather on about towing
caravans and such. I call 'bullshit' on that. In reality, they could
hire a monster truck for the times they tow a van (prolly once a decade)
and save a bundle on fuel, tyres etc. My old man happily towed his van
around Australia with his VL Commodore. Mum drove half the way. No
issues. The truth is that people buy monster trucks because they either
think they're safer, or they like the height of the things.
And there are many parts of Australia you can't get to with a VL whereas
with a 4x4 you unhook the caravan and go explore them plus most caravan
owners go for a trip regularly.

Not everyone is a pretentious Noddy.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, I am seriously considering a small off-road vehicle. Maybe
a Suzuki Vitara. Mostly because on our last trip down South, we took a
'road less travelled' (
https://tracks.4x4earth.com/4wd-track/wandean-rd/1340 ) a year or so
back in the Levorg. We made it up the hills just fine, but the rough
stuff was really slow going and we scraped the bottom of the car a few
times. A bit more ground clearance would be helpful.
To use your own nonsensical argument... you could hire a small 4x4 for
the few times you need it.
alvey
2020-05-20 22:54:34 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across the
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image.
Is he a shortarse? I've noticed that a disproportionate %age of these
poseur Hulker drivers suffer a bit of Ducks Disease.



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2020-05-20 23:15:36 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant. There's a dickhead working on a house across the
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image.
Is he a shortarse? I've noticed that a disproportionate %age of these
poseur Hulker drivers suffer a bit of Ducks Disease.
alvey
Well, Noddy has to slide into his, too short to heft himself into it.
That's why his driver's seat is worn through. Previous owner was
probably a shortarse too. ;-)
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Clocky
2020-05-21 04:45:58 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Clocky
Post by Daryl
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
The results will no doubt send some apologetic tongues wagging :)
http://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o
**Well, for those who care about car safety, we should all be
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/subaru/impreza-4-door-wagon/2020
Cheap and very safe.
And repulsively ugly.
Agree it would be a very safe car but it isn't a ute so not relevant
to this thread.
Oh but Dazzler, this thread started not being relevant to Australia!
**Absolutely relevant.
None of the cars were relevant to this country.

There's a dickhead working on a house across the
Post by Trevor Wilson
road. He drives a tradie ute, but the biggest thing he has carried in
it, in the past 3 months, is his lunch. He COULD drive a sedan, but that
would ruin his image. He is prolly the foreman. Never seen him carry a
tool in 3 months.
Not that it's relevant to the original post, but he sounds like a Noddy.
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