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Will Dockery
2016-09-24 15:14:23 UTC
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Skirt of Green

The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.

 -Will Dockery
George Sulzbach
2016-09-24 18:20:09 UTC
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Nice one... From the Florida days with Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
Will Dockery
2016-09-24 20:04:59 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Nice one... From the Florida days with Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
This one was written about three years after leaving Saint Augustine... which is on the Atlantic coast, not the Gulf, by the way.

:)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-24 23:38:09 UTC
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Of course I knee that, just got my thoughts from drifting when I wrote that earlier

Plus I love all of Florida's beach scenes.
Will Dockery
2016-09-25 00:28:56 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Of course I knee that, just got my thoughts from drifting when I wrote that earlier
Plus I love all of Florida's beach scenes.
I agree with that on all counts, but #10 Mulvey Street in Saint Augustine is where I left a piece of my heart... and I hope someday to return for it.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-25 04:29:42 UTC
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Yes, I have heard the stories of Saint Augustine but have not visited there as of yet.
Will Dockery
2016-09-25 11:36:19 UTC
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Yes, I have heard the stories of Saint Augustine but have not visited there as of yet.
We need to gas up Brother Dave's jalopy one morning and go for a spin... the Bridge of Lions is only about four hours drive from here.

:D
George Sulzbach
2016-09-25 14:57:39 UTC
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Sounds great I could sure stand s trip to the sea.
Will Dockery
2016-09-25 16:29:22 UTC
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Sounds great I could sure stand s trip to the sea.
At least a short jaunt down below Dothan to Saint George Island down on the Gulf. On a good day of little traffic or cops interfering, that Florida trip can be made in under two hours to the beach, and a nice section of beach that is still lightly populated, although that can't last much longer.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-26 10:14:01 UTC
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Sounds good, the time seems right, or close to right.
Will Dockery
2016-09-24 20:26:47 UTC
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Nice one... From the Florida days with Dan Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
I do get your drift, though, as I have a great lo0ve of the really close by Gulf, as well... hop in the car and just a little more than an hour away is the sea... the sand, all of it.

But that raging, angry Atlantic, that is my most beloved mother ocean.

:D
Will Dockery
2016-09-28 14:58:29 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...

Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater

:)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-28 15:14:45 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
drive-by
2016-09-28 15:15:36 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
George Sulzbach
2016-09-28 15:28:57 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
Will Dockery
2016-09-28 21:00:57 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.

I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".

I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
Michael Pendragon
2016-09-28 21:23:49 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.
I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".
I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
He didn't come across as a racist in the debate. He talked about how he'd met all sorts of African-Americans, Latinos, etc., while out campaigning who were wonderful people (or something to that effect).

He could, otoh, be called a Xenophobe, but I've always supported the Machiavellian premise that a monarch's (President's) duty is first and foremost to the citizens of his country.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-29 00:07:23 UTC
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Trump rules Alabama, best I can tell.

But someone slipped a Hillary bumper sticker on my car last week while I was in Wal Mart.
Will Dockery
2016-10-11 01:23:10 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
Rachel
2016-10-11 01:49:15 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...

now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel
2016-10-11 02:30:29 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
hey, i don't want you to get the wrong idea.

i haven't been here much. just happened to open this...

(i just don't want you thinking i'm here much, when i'm not, past couple weeks...)
Shatzberg Services
2016-10-20 22:56:36 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?

I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
Richard Oakley
2016-10-20 23:03:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
Shatzberg Services
2016-10-20 23:05:34 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
Richard Oakley
2016-10-20 23:39:33 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Will Dockery
2016-10-21 03:05:43 UTC
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Now that y'all mention it... Rachel has been gone a while..

Hope all is well with her.
Will Dockery
2016-11-08 13:52:26 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Did all the Americans here vote, or plan to today?

A final word on the "criminal" smears the teabaggers have been making on Hillary, to clear that up at the final moments:

The NPR show "This American Life" had a revealing piece this week on Hillary's emails:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name

More a case of technical ineptitude than criminal intent. Apparently, Hillary has never learned to operate a desktop computer (or a more modern Blackberry than the Curve 8310).
drive-by
2016-11-08 14:00:02 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Did all the Americans here vote, or plan to today?
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name
More a case of technical ineptitude than criminal intent. Apparently, Hillary has never learned to operate a desktop computer (or a more modern Blackberry than the Curve 8310).
From the 'Lizards Lick' comments...


me: ..I shall now get ready to vote. In the end of this madness, America will stand tall no matter the rhetoric and talk of demise...we owe it to the thousands that have died so that we can breathe and bitch...if any out there in the world believes we are weak because of this past run for president...think again...a sleeping giant can always awaken if necessary..

My vote shall remain private

J
Will Dockery
2016-11-08 14:12:59 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Did all the Americans here vote, or plan to today?
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name
More a case of technical ineptitude than criminal intent. Apparently, Hillary has never learned to operate a desktop computer (or a more modern Blackberry than the Curve 8310).
From the 'Lizards Lick' comments...
me: ..I shall now get ready to vote. In the end of this madness, America will stand tall no matter the rhetoric and talk of demise...we owe it to the thousands that have died so that we can breathe and bitch...if any out there in the world believes we are weak because of this past run for president...think again...a sleeping giant can always awaken if necessary..
My vote shall remain private
J
Which is probably the best route, down here in the Deep South there is the stereotype that all white men are voting Trump, so I had to stand up and make sure that I didn't just follow that stereotype.

And, as I wrote elsewhere this morning...

But, whoever does win this one, I am willing to support them and hope for the best. The worst thing America can do is block a President's attempts to do good work.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2016-11-08 15:00:10 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't fret, Rachel.
10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Did all the Americans here vote, or plan to today?
First thing I did this morning.
Shatzburg Systems Inc.
2016-11-10 05:30:23 UTC
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Well that was a shocking election day.
Will Dockery
2016-11-12 11:53:56 UTC
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Trump is too far behind in the Electoral College to win, so don't
fret, Rachel.
Wow!

How wrong can one get?!?
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10 years....clean energy....i have hope...
now we just need to do something about those cows...
Rachel, I've been mostly gone myself, but where have you gone?
I see your hilarious postings are nowhere to be found..?
oy vey, someone's acting allot like him that sould not be named...
I always have liked Rachel, I even mailed her a drawing of mine a
while back, is that not allowed here?
we're all big kids here. 😄
Did all the Americans here vote, or plan to today?
First thing I did this morning.

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What an amazing day that was... nobody can deny that.

Very strange seeing a stack of magazines at Walgreen's last night with
Hillary supposedly the next president.

I kid you not, a lavishly printed magazine about "Madame Clinton".

:)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-29 17:25:03 UTC
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That is part of Trump's appeal, his bold honesty, even if it makes him look bad... He can call it like he sees it and don't look back.
Will Dockery
2016-09-29 21:47:25 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.
I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".
I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
He didn't come across as a racist in the debate. He talked about how he'd met all sorts of African-Americans, Latinos, etc., while out campaigning who were wonderful people (or something to that effect).
He could, otoh, be called a Xenophobe, but I've always supported the Machiavellian premise that a monarch's (President's) duty is first and foremost to the citizens of his country.
And, just as things happen here, Trump can be expected to have his statements taken out of context and misrepresented by his enemies.
Will Dockery
2016-10-04 20:48:15 UTC
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Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.
I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".
I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
He didn't come across as a racist in the debate. He talked about how he'd met all sorts of African-Americans, Latinos, etc., while out campaigning who were wonderful people (or something to that effect).
He could, otoh, be called a Xenophobe, but I've always supported the Machiavellian premise that a monarch's (President's) duty is first and foremost to the citizens of his country.
Seems that Trump's father may have been a racist KKK member in his youth:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/TrK0pwUExVE/xGPzOIehDgAJ Sadly for us all, it seems to be true, that Trump's father was involved with the KKK in his youth. OTOH, there is:

VICE - All the Evidence We Could Find About Fred Trump's Alleged
Involvement with the KKK

Now I will add that just because Trump's father may have been a racist, in no way does that mean that Trump HAS to be one also. Maybe he isn't, but just says a lot of stupid things?

:)
Will Dockery
2016-10-13 22:13:23 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.
I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".
I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
He didn't come across as a racist in the debate. He talked about how he'd met all sorts of African-Americans, Latinos, etc., while out campaigning who were wonderful people (or something to that effect).
He could, otoh, be called a Xenophobe, but I've always supported the Machiavellian premise that a monarch's (President's) duty is first and foremost to the citizens of his country.
I need to add this about the current firestorm Trump is in...

When did the old saying the guy is supposed to make the first move go out of style? Trump is brash and rude about it, but we are taught from childhood that the man is supposed to "make the first move", then the lady can either kiss and whatever back or say, clearly, no thanks. Then... the guy stops and rethinks his next move. And of course, being rich must always help, just a little bit.
Will Dockery
2016-10-20 14:14:08 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Sulzbach
Post by drive-by
Post by George Sulzbach
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
True, much as I dislike both Trump and Hillary, they are the only teams in town I'd put money on.
I came close to going with the Hillary group last weekend, when my son Clay came down for a visit, and he's a big time Clinton supporter.
I asked him to give me a quick take on Hillary Clinton and he said he thinks she will be sort of a "Liberal Margaret Thatcher", which he likes, since he feels she will "get things done".
I can't vote for Trump because of his racism, number one reason, which is more than enough.
He didn't come across as a racist in the debate. He talked about how he'd met all sorts of African-Americans, Latinos, etc., while out campaigning who were wonderful people (or something to that effect).
He could, otoh, be called a Xenophobe, but I've always supported the Machiavellian premise that a monarch's (President's) duty is first and foremost to the citizens of his country.
The racist undertones keep cropping up, though Trump seems to be more careful about them these days:

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/#

I know Snopes isn't well liked by Right Wingers, but they have Trump's racist statements archived for something like the last 40 years:

"And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control." -Donald Trump

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’ ” The Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”

Trump was accused of racism long before he announced that he was running for president. According to the New York Times, one of Trump's first newspaper appearances was in 1973, when the Trump Management Corporation was sued by the Department of Justice and charged for violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968

"They don't look like Indians to me and they don't look like Indians to Indians," said Donald Trump in words which led to immediate accusations of racism and bigotry. Mr Trump was attacking the tiny tribe of Mashantucket Pequot Indians in Connecticut.

In 1992, Trump lost an appeal to overturn a $200,000 penalty for removing black dealers from the tables at the request of high rollers, and in 1996, 20 African-Americans in Indiana sued Donald Trump.

Trump has been accused of racism by former employees, protesters, committee members, and has also been the subject of legal action in regard to discrimination laws.

An average man on the street being racist is one thing, that's his American right I reckon... but a man running for President, we don't need a racist there of any color.

:D
Will Dockery
2016-10-19 00:24:41 UTC
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Well, I can say that there was one vote cast yesterday against whatever weirdness Trump wants to bring us.

'Nuff said.
Will Dockery
2016-09-29 22:29:45 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of the vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
I like Jill okay but a shame she has no chance of winning.
Jill came tumbling after.......
Gary and Jill went up Capital Hill...

Interesting article by George Dance... this should be a criminal offense, such censorship.

http://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.ca/2016/09/us-newcasts-ignore-johnson-other-3rd.html

"To date, neither ABC nor CBS has mentioned Johnson’s candidacy on their evening newscasts, although  ABC has hosted him on This Week, and he’s been discussed on CBS’s Face the Nation and CBS This Morning.

"Green Party candidate Jill Stein has fared even worse, drawing a paltry three seconds of discussion in August on the NBC Nightly News. Stein’s name wasn’t even mentioned.... While Stein was a guest on ABC’s This Week, like Johnson, ABC and CBS evening news viewers have yet to hear about her candidacy.

"The story is similar for conservative independent Evan McMullin.... When he launched his candidacy in early August, ABC’s World News Tonight devoted 32 seconds of a larger campaign segment to McMullin.... Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle, who is on the ballot in 29 states, has received zero coverage from the Big Three evening newscasts.

"There’s been some coverage of these candidates on cable news (CNN has hosted town halls for Johnson and Stein, for example), but the totals pale in comparison to the coverage of Trump and Clinton. And entrepreneurial voters who want to learn more about these candidates can get additional information from alternative news sources, social media and/or the candidates’ own Web sites.

"But it’s the day-to-day mass media coverage that validates candidates in the eyes of most voters.... Without significant media coverage, most voters probably won’t even consider the alternative candidates of 2016, no matter how dissatisfied they are with the two major party nominees."

And, so it goes.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-29 23:30:30 UTC
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Funny, just as I read this, the news on TV just did a short bit in Gary Johnson.
George Dance
2016-09-30 00:22:40 UTC
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Funny, just as I read this, the news on TV just did a short bit in Gary Johnson.
Oh, yeah? That 11 seconds for him (and 3 for Stein) were for January through August. If things are changing, that's news, and sounds like it could be good news.

What were they saying?
Will Dockery
2016-09-30 01:02:09 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Funny, just as I read this, the news on TV just did a short bit in Gary Johnson.
Oh, yeah? That 11 seconds for him (and 3 for Stein) were for January through August. If things are changing, that's news, and sounds like it could be good news.
What were they saying?
That's excellent.

I expect to see George S. downtown in a few, I'll remind him to check here and get more information from him.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-30 04:53:57 UTC
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Right now on an MNC TV show is a LONG profile of Gary Johnson... I mean 5 minutes orore on him on this Late Night with Seth show.

So he is starting to get some coverage.
Will Dockery
2016-09-30 10:59:22 UTC
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Right now on an MNC TV show is a LONG profile of Gary Johnson... I mean 5 minutes orore on him on this Late Night with Seth show.
So he is starting to get some coverage.
I think you meant NBC (Channel 38 down here), which is where the Seth Myers program airs:

https://www.youtube.com/user/LateNightSeth

Trump Blunders, Hillary and Millennials, Gary Johnson Gaffe: A Closer Look
38,548 views 6 hours ago

Seth takes a closer look at Trump's post-debate controversies, Hillary's trouble with millennials and Gary Johnson's inability to name a world leader.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-30 16:20:58 UTC
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Right now on an MNC TV show is a LONG profile of Gary Johnson... I mean 5 minutes orore on him on this Late Night with Seth show.
So he is starting to get some coverage.
https://www.youtube.com/user/LateNightSeth
Trump Blunders, Hillary and Millennials, Gary Johnson Gaffe: A Closer Look
38,548 views 6 hours ago
Seth takes a closer look at Trump's post-debate controversies, Hillary's trouble with millennials and Gary Johnson's inability to name a world leader.
That's it, what I saw last night.
Will Dockery
2016-10-01 11:23:10 UTC
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Funny, just as I read this, the news on TV just did a short bit in Gary Johnson.
Oh, yeah? That 11 seconds for him (and 3 for Stein) were for January through August. If things are changing, that's news, and sounds like it could be good news.
What were they saying?
They were kind of making fun of him, but Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states, and Jill Stein is not. That's terrible news for Jill Stein of course, but who knows, Johnson might surge this year.

So, Robert Wright, Brian Mallard, John Rice & Sarah Dockery Milam, it looks like there are only three choices in all 50 states, sorry to say I didn't bother to verify if Jill Stein was really valid when I decided on her, so time to mull the choices all over again:

http://www.snopes.com/green-party-state-ballots/

"As of 2 August 2016, the Green Party and Stein's ticket have ballot access in 23 states. Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson is set to appear on all 50 state ballots, but he has yet to achieve the 15 percent polling level required to appear in televised presidential debates..."

Must be time to re-think Gary Johnson for President 2016

:)
Will Dockery
2016-10-02 07:20:49 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Funny, just as I read this, the news on TV just did a short bit in Gary Johnson.
Oh, yeah? That 11 seconds for him (and 3 for Stein) were for January through August. If things are changing, that's news, and sounds like it could be good news.
What were they saying?
They weren't treating Gary Johnson very nicely, but to be honest, Johnson brought it on himself by not being able to name a single world leader he admired, and there was another clip like that but I forget what it was at this time.
George Sulzbach
2016-10-02 19:32:16 UTC
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Johnson might be my pick.
Will Dockery
2016-10-03 05:04:56 UTC
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Johnson might be my pick.
Unlike Trump, who shows racist hints, and Stein, who looks to lean to anti-Semitic positions, George Dance informs me that Gary Johnson is free of this.

George Dance wrote:
No, Will, there's no racism from Gary, present or past. The worst thing the Democrats have been able to get on Johnson personally have been his TV "gaffes" (which G.J. is facetiously referring to). He was asked what he'd "do about Aleppo" and didn't recognize the word, and he couldn't name a favorite foreign "world leader."
Will Dockery
2016-10-03 18:08:01 UTC
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Johnson might be my pick.
Unlike Trump, who shows racist hints, and Stein, who looks to lean to anti-Semitic positions, George Dance informs me that Gary Johnson is free of this.
No, Will, there's no racism from Gary, present or past. The worst thing the Democrats have been able to get on Johnson personally have been his TV "gaffes" (which G.J. is facetiously referring to). He was asked what he'd "do about Aleppo" and didn't recognize the word, and he couldn't name a favorite foreign "world leader."
"Enjoyed "The Fountainhead" too... Naturally don't agree with most of Rand's views, but got a kick out of her, to some extent... She was such an eccentric, larger than life, over the top, Sui generis "character"!
I just never really paid any attention to her politics... her stories were damn good soap operas potboiler fiction.

Howard Roarke was and influence on me doing me poetry and art "my way", not to be controlled by the Elsworth Tooeys and so on of the world who all want "just a few changes".

Ayn Rand had a way with quotes, also, such as:

"Art is a selective recreation of reality via an artist's metaphysical value judgments" -Ayn Rand

And so on.
Will Dockery
2016-10-12 10:21:22 UTC
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I was rehearsing with my band for a big snow next Saturday and missed it...
Was it as violent as I expect it was?
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Yes.
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And I expect that Hillary won this one handily, or did Trump somehow
survive this one?
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A CNN poll this morning says most people thought Clinton won, but I thought
she didn't do all that well. She was clearly unnerved, and at one point she
walked right into a trap. She said it's good that we don't have someone
like Donald in charge of the law in this country and he snapped back "Yeah,
cause you'd be in jail" and she was just left with her jaw flapping. Never
saw it coming and had no comeback. Could have said something about if
everyone avoided taxes like you there wouldn't *be* any jails, but as I said
before these debates started, she's not a street fighter.
BTW, Martha Raddatz should have been on hand for the VP debate. She's a WAY
better enforcer than Elaine Quijano, who really should have been given a
whistle and a gavel in advance.
JMO, everybody has one.
DianeE
The now already infamous "no handshake" was a very rough start, as well:

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http://www.billmohrpoet.com/

We knew as we took our seats that it was not going to be a pleasant evening, and the event began with unusual awkwardness. The candidates came out on stage. Hillary nodded as they were about eight feet apart, and Trump then pivoted, and did a little skip step to move more center stage, which only made their refusal to greet each other formally more comic. There was considerable laughter at the theater, confirming my decision about the advantage of watching it with a larger community.
In commentary published after the debate, Chris Cillizza bewailed the lack of a handshake between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as they commenced their second debate. “Maybe I am old-fashioned. But I thought it was tremendously depressing that Trump and Clinton couldn’t bring themselves to shake hands at the start of the debate.”

Let’s be blunt in reminding ourselves what we heard during the second debate. Trump called Hillary Clinton “the Devil” and said that she has “tremendous hatred in her heart.” The lack of a handshake is not depressing. It’s just common sense to keep your distance from someone who wishes you ill.
========================================================

And so, unfortunately, it goes.
Will Dockery
2016-09-29 18:30:19 UTC
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On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 7:43:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
Post by Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Speaking of Green...
Looks like I'm going with Jill Stein this year. She really seems the
best, to me. She's expected to pull a really strong one percent of
the
vote.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154651013059363&set=a.71327964362.97250.620409362&type=3&theater
:)
This, from a friend's comment on your Facebook page, makes me
extremely
"She's [Jill Stein] going to be pulling a lot more than that [the 1%
you mentioned]. That is one thing the lamestream media is trying to
desperately keep a lid on. I'm still in hundreds of Sanders groups
and
it's all Jill Stein now, and the big Demexit they don't want anyone
to
know about. Millions of people tuned into the alternate debate on
Democracy Now where Jill answered the same questions she would have
if
she was allowed into the puppet show."
Too bad it isn't Bernie. But what the fuck.
It is almost (almost?) criminal the way the debates honchos shut
legitimate candidate out, such as Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
Jill Stein legitimate? She is a radical left wing kook with a one track
agenda.
You can't be a legitimate candidate when at least 98% of the country
doesn't know who you are and would never vote for you.
Gary Johnson did not even know about Aleppo so how legitimate can he be?
He has zero chance of winning, but the question is how much support
should a candidate have in order to earn the right to participate in
the debates and have his or her positions and policiy ideas heard? 10%
or so of the voting public is a pretty sizable number and, imo, should
warrant inclusion in the debates.
He even looks and sounds like he has been toking on some weed.
Yes, he has that going for him, which is another reason to include him
in the debates.
Oh yeah, Gary Johnson likes his weed.  So much so that he apparently
partook
of a bit too much before his interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC
earlier
this evening.
It was pathetic.  Pathetic in the sense that he's a likeable guy, seems
really genuine, but he's extremely out of his league.  Shockingly so.  I
was
genuinely embarrassed for him.
To summarize, Matthews asked him to name a foreign leader.  ANY foreign
leader, who he admired.  Broadened to include both past and present.  A
softball question, really.
Johnson had another "brain freeze".  Came up empty.  Best he could do was
to
say "the former president of Mexico".  Mexico, you know that country that
borders New Mexico, the state that Johnson used to govern.  He couldn't
come
up with the guy's name.
The "Aleppo" reference, of course, alludes to the fact that Johnson, in an
earlier interview, couldn't identify that entity.  His most recent screwup
is far worse.  Reminds me of Herman Cain and his U-beki-beki-beki-stan
comment.  Of course Cain never made it past the primaries.
I hesitate to remind that this Presidency thing is serious business.
Johnson just made Donald Trump look like Stephen Hawking.  He has no
business being on the debate stage; he'd just be a distraction.  It's hard
enough for the moderators to get Trump to say in any definite way what
he's
FOR.
There's a guy named Evan McMullin who's running for President - he emerged
from the Republican "never Trump" movement.  According to  the most recent
PublicPolicyPolling poll, he out-polls Jill Stein (2% to 1%).  Should
McMullin be invited to participate in the debates?  There's another
handful
of flake candidates who managed to get on the ballot in one state or
another.  Should they participate too?
Point being, you need to draw a line somewhere in terms of debate
participation.  If the highest-polling third-party candidate manages to
demonstrate his utter unsuitability for the job in a forum that was
advertised for weeks and that presented him with a unique opportunity to
showcase his skills (he and VP candidate Bill Weld got a full hour in a
combination interview with Mathews/town hall), I think there's a case to
be
made that the debate commission has the right approach.  Maybe the
threshold
should be 10% instead of 15%, but it wouldn't have mattered in Johnson's
case.
<http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/28/gary-johnson-another-aleppo-moment/91249582/>
I don't at all dispute that Johnson is unqualified for the presidency.
But that's not the same as qualifying for the presidential debates,
which would, hopefully, serve to expose an individual who is unfit for
the office. Trump is even more unqualified for the presidency than
Johnson, but not many would argue that he should be excluded from the
presidential debates (of course, if you exclude him and Johnson there
would be nobody for Clinton to debate).
On the other hand, the debates might someday provide a pathway for a
truly qualified third party candidate who is only polling at around
10% to gain the exposure needed to mount a serious run for the
presidency next time around if not in the current election. For those
who would like to see a viable third (or fourth or fifth, etc.) party,
the debates are probably one of the few avenues available to make that
possible. We can argue about where the line should be drawn for entry
into the debates as far as standing in the polls, but I think it's a
mistake to exclude candidates on the basis of subjective opinions
about their qualifications.
The trouble is, he'd detract from time available for candidates that
actually have more than a snowball's chance in hell of being elected to
expound on their views.  Level of support, as measured in polls, at least
present a somewhat objective methodology for screening candidates.  It ain't
perfect, and perhaps we need an additional mechanism for exposing the views
of third-party candidates, for better or worse.  The other issue is getting
a nonpartisan entity to manage the debates, rather than a commission created
by the two major parties.
The obvious fear they have is that if Johnson and Stein were allowed in the debates their numbers would very likely rise, due to the exposure to so many millions of people who know nothing about them.
Will Dockery
2016-10-11 05:33:12 UTC
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I hope Saint Augustine faired okay from the vicious storms.
Will Dockery
2017-01-03 09:58:08 UTC
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Nice one... From the Florida days with Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
I know that Atlantic Ocean is treating you well, my friend.

Hope your vacation is going well.
GJ Porgie
2017-01-03 22:26:53 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Nice one... From the Florida days with Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
I know that Atlantic Ocean is treating you well, my friend.
Hope your vacation is going well.
You got that right!!!
Will Dockery
2017-01-06 17:04:18 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Nice one... From the Florida days with Barfield, or a new remembrance of thought on the mighty Gulf of Mexico?
I know that Atlantic Ocean is treating you well, my friend.
Hope your vacation is going well.
You got that right!!!
You still down there or back home? Let us know if you need any help getting to Opelika AL to do those "duties" you were assigned. 13 miles can be a rather long walk, rain or shine.

:)
Will Dockery
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Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
Print my *entire* statement, troll. It was not a positive one.
Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
:)
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.

The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Re-posted in the original thread for context and continuity.)
Michael Pendragon
2020-10-30 19:57:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
Print my *entire* statement, troll. It was not a positive one.
Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
:)
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.
The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Re-posted in the original thread for context and continuity.)
Do you think that if you repost your dumbass answer in a different thread, it will somehow make you look like less of a dumbass?

Michael Pendragon
PJR: Do you ever read the posts to which you reply?
WILL: Okay, good point.
Edward Rochester Esq.
2020-10-30 20:01:14 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
Print my *entire* statement, troll. It was not a positive one.
Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
:)
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.
The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Re-posted in the original thread for context and continuity.)
Do you think that if you repost your dumbass answer in a different thread, it will somehow make you look like less of a dumbass?
Michael Pendragon
PJR: Do you ever read the posts to which you reply?
WILL: Okay, good point.
Ridicule can be embarrassing at times.
Will Dockery
2020-10-31 05:59:20 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.
The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Do you think that if you repost your dumbass
Says the dumbass re-posting out of context quotes from me, over and over.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2020-10-31 06:04:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.
The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Do you think that if you repost your dumbass
Says the dumbass re-posting out of context quotes from me, over and over.
There is no context that could possibly save your quoted statements from ridicule.


Michael Pendragon
“I'd think so, but never underestimate the stupidity of a troll.”
-- Will Dockery

Zod
2020-10-30 21:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery
4/26/03
Skirt Of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery 4-26-03
"Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one." -Michael Pendragon
Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”
-- Will Dockery
Finding all these great poems of mine has been interesting and helpful, Rochester
:)
Critically speaking, the idea of the ocean forming an endless gown around a beautiful woman is a highly poetic one.
Thanks for the critique, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........."
As pertains to the ocean’s hue,
I tend to regard the Atlantic blue,
and whenever I may feel the need
to look at green, then I see weed.
I see the Atlantic as having a dark, almost black, shade when viewed from a distance. Close up, it's definitely green.
At least, that's how it appears up North (MA, NY, NJ, MD, CT). In Bermuda, it's a beautiful shade of blue.
Michael Pendragon
“The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry.“ --Will Dockery
Yes, I believe that the poet knows what his poem is saying.
1) That isn't always the case.
I don't agree.
The poet wrote the poem, so he obviously knows what he intended to say.
Michael Pendragon
“With Cujo, as with anyone else posting here, I opt to refer to them by their chosen names, I do go in for the childish name-calling.”
-- Will Dockery
Re-posted in the original thread for context and continuity.)
Nailed it again, Doc...
George Sulzbach
2016-09-26 10:39:03 UTC
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Although the way this weather is this year we could skinny dip at midnight in January.
Will Dockery
2016-09-26 10:59:03 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Although the way this weather is this year we could skinny dip at midnight in January.
This has often been true, for example, in Saint Augustine, I was at the beach on Thanksgiving 1999, my last day, or next to last day, living there.

The very next day (in a scene that reminded me of the Simon and Garfunkel cover shot of their "Homeward Bound" album, as I sat on my suitcase, talking with Dan Barfield, waiting on my bus home to arrive) I caught a Greyhound back here to take care of some loose ends, and planned to return to Florida in a couple of weeks, even leaving a few of my larger belongings with my friend Megan, a leading member of the poetry scene down there, centered around Saint George Street and the legendary Backstreets Coffee House. One of my favorite poetry readings I did co-starring Megan Arnold, as we read to some deaf students, I read the poems while she translated them into sign language for the kids.

Those were funny times, when "non smoking" establishments just seemed to be a passing fad, and the basic "truth" that coffee and cigarettes were simply a natural combination, and non-smokers were told to go sit on the porch if the smoke inside was too much for them.

17 years later and I'm still planning to return.

:)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-26 17:50:31 UTC
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Yeah that sounds like it was a blast. We should make a quick trip down that way this year... I might just stay.
Will Dockery
2016-09-26 19:19:19 UTC
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Yeah that sounds like it was a blast. We should make a quick trip down that way this year... I might just stay.
Living down there near the ocean is easy living... a man could do much worse than becoming a beach bum.

:)
Petra Burse
2016-09-26 21:17:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Nice poem, captures the feeling of the sea very nicely.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-26 23:41:10 UTC
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Post by Petra Burse
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Nice poem, captures the feeling of the sea very nicely.
Was seeing the same thing.
drive-by
2016-09-26 23:43:08 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Post by Petra Burse
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Nice poem, captures the feeling of the sea very nicely.
Was seeing the same thing.
Should have used seaing....:-)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 01:47:48 UTC
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I wanted to be seen to be a seafaring man...
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 01:49:00 UTC
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My seafaring post got lost?
Mushmouth the 3rd
2016-09-27 01:49:48 UTC
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There you go again Dackery!
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 01:59:45 UTC
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What at the moment and will have the real Mush Mouth please stand up?
Mushmouth the 3rd
2016-09-27 02:00:46 UTC
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What the hell! George I hope you don't associate with Dackery!
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 02:04:23 UTC
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I'm sorry you got banned from the YMCA Mush Mouth, but please don't take it out on me?
Mushmouth the 3rd
2016-09-27 02:05:15 UTC
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The YMCA can go to hell along with you and the rest of Dackery's cronies!
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 02:07:39 UTC
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Oh, just post a poem, Mush Mouth.
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 02:09:22 UTC
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Banned from the YMCA? Who did you offend to manage that, Mush Mouth?
Mushmouth the 3rd
2016-09-27 02:12:07 UTC
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Well they sped a health hazard in the shower room
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 02:30:40 UTC
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And you had to post photos on Facebook of the fiasco though?
Will Dockery
2016-09-27 14:17:29 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
Banned from the YMCA? Who did you offend to manage that, Mush Mouth?
True fact, Mushmouth supposedly saw exposed wiring near the YMCA showers, called OSHA and reported it, and posted photos of the wiring on Facebook... and was then banned from his daily prancing around at the Y.

Can't male up anything as bizarre as the real life exploits of the midget Mushmouth.

:)
George Sulzbach
2016-09-27 14:27:22 UTC
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Make sure we don't make it look like Robbie is really Mushmouth. Robbie is just posting as Mushmouth Jr as a tribute to him.
Zod
2020-10-31 01:42:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Sulzbach
Banned from the YMCA? Who did you offend to manage that, Mush Mouth?
True fact, Mushmouth supposedly saw exposed wiring near the YMCA showers, called OSHA and reported it, and posted photos of the wiring on Facebook... and was then banned from his daily prancing around at the Y.
Can't male up anything as bizarre as the real life exploits of the midget Mushmouth.
:)
Wow... I remember this....
Will Dockery
2016-10-01 10:19:18 UTC
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Back to Jill Stein, though, here's what Snopes has on her.

Apparently Jill Stein is not even to be on the Georgia ballot, meaning I can't vote for her anyhow, legitimately, if so.

The Anti-Vaccine rumor is that, a false rumor, although I didn't see them covering her alleged anti-Semitism (which, if true, will mean I will withdraw my vote for her):

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

Dr. Jill Stein's popularity surge during the Democratic National Convention led to rumors that she opposes the use of vaccines.

The answer is false.

Meanwhile, something else I should have checked is apparently Jill Stein hasn't yet even made it onto the ballots of all 50 states, including Georgia, where I vote... so I'll have to switch on that fact alone, with the choices in George (to the best of my knowledge) being Trump, Clinton... or Gary Johnson.

===================================================================
http://www.snopes.com/green-party-state-ballots/

Although interest in Jill Stein's presidential candidacy has increased, the Green Party has not yet qualified for many states' ballots.

After the major political parties' national conventions concluded in July 2016, Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein drew the attention of many disaffected progressive voters, prompting inquiries about whether Dr. Stein and the Green Party had secured ballot access in all 50 states.
Stein's candidacy hit a definite tipping point after Sen. Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton, triggering a voter shift dubbed "Demexit" by some participants. But while Sanders sought the nomination of a major party, Stein (often lumped together with Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson) mounted a third-party run without automatic universal ballot access.
According to a ballot access map published on Stein's campaign site and apparently dated 2 August 2016, the candidate had qualified to appear on ballots in roughly only half the states.

A 1 August 2016 press release issued by the Green Party reiterated the figure of having achieved ballot access in 23 states, with between nine and 15 more states pending:
Ballot access was also achieved in Vermont for the first time ever. Over 1400 signatures were submitted that had already been certified as valid by town clerks across the state.
The Green Party now has ballot access in 23 states, are awaiting government certification for 9 more (including the six states mentioned here), and have active petition drives in 15 more states.
According to the press release, the Green Party does not necessarily expect to qualify for the ballot in all 50 states:
Presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein will be formally nominated by the Green Party at the party's national convention in Houston on Saturday, August 6th. The Green Party is actively petitioning to be on the ballot in at least 47 states for the general election in November, enough to potentially win an electoral college vote.
===========================================================

So, next step for me is to have one good last look at Johnson, before reluctantly moving over to Hillary Clinton's caravan.

And, so it goes.
George Sulzbach
2016-10-01 16:12:50 UTC
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Jill Stein is on the ballot here in Alabama
Will Dockery
2016-10-01 16:21:42 UTC
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Jill Stein is on the ballot here in Alabama
Yeah, I expected a state as large and diverse as Georgia would have Jill Stein on the ballot before Alabama would.
George Sulzbach
2016-10-01 18:17:05 UTC
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I wouldn't want to waste my vote on her though.
George Sulzbach
2016-10-01 22:52:11 UTC
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As if it matters who wins the election... The electoral college is in charge anyhow.
Will Dockery
2016-10-01 23:29:58 UTC
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Post by George Sulzbach
I wouldn't want to waste my vote on her though.
I was surprised that after all this big push it turns out that Jill Stein isn't even on the Georgia ballot anyhow... strikes me as rather bush league.

I'm looking Gary Johnson over closely again this year... might have to go with him again.
George Sulzbach
2016-10-02 00:13:55 UTC
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I had someone put a Hillary bumper sticker on my car last week when I wasn't looking.
Will Dockery
2016-10-11 22:10:07 UTC
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So, I have read that Hillary Clinton already has enough Electoral votes to win anyway. The popular vote doesn't even count... that's how Bush beat Gore even though Gore had more actual votes.

================================
As I write this, she has locked in 352 electoral votes to [Trump's] 186...the mediasaurian 'polls' are worthless. She will win, and what her staff is focusing on, of course, is that if the House is not overturned, we shall see 4-8 years of absolute 'gridlock', of the economy collapsing etc. As for Trump, I think he is facing New York indictments from the Attorney General for his fake 'university', and, hopefully, he will be imprisoned for rape.
-Stephan Pickering
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
==================================

And so it goes.
Richard Oakley
2016-10-11 22:53:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
the ocean for me
so much more
personality than the Gulf.
Its crashing waves,
riptides,
and those waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya like a school chum, in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother sea
strip the bikinis
right off the girls in disapproval,
who then submerge, in their shame,
to the neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seaweed...
skirts of green.
Richard Oakley
2016-10-11 22:55:19 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
The Atlantic is
the ocean for me
so much more
personality than the Gulf.
Its crashing waves,
riptides,
and those waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya like a school chum, in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother sea
strip the bikinis
right off the girls in disapproval,
who then submerge, in their shame,
to the neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seaweed...
skirts of green.
but those waves are tricksters...
Will Dockery
2016-10-12 00:15:39 UTC
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I like the rewrite somewhat, but I doubt I would use the word "chum"... Reminds me if the way Batman used to refer to Robin, though.

😀
Richard Oakley
2016-10-12 01:53:14 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
I like the rewrite somewhat, but I doubt I would use the word "chum"... Reminds me if the way Batman used to refer to Robin, though.
😀
lol
Will Dockery
2016-10-12 05:38:10 UTC
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I'm settled in at the all night cafe with a good Wi-Fi connection... So I hope to get a moment of concentration on your rewrite, or rather OB poem.
b***@gmail.com
2016-10-28 21:46:36 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Finally, a poem of yours that seems to have you getting your act together. Read 1000 more poems and write twice that many before trying to post again, please... do yourself that favour.
Will Dockery
2016-10-29 01:02:17 UTC
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Thanks, glad you finally found one of mine that passes your critical eye.

😀
General Zod
2019-04-16 08:26:17 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
   the best for me
     so much more
   "personality" than the Gulf.
 Crashing waves,
  riptides,
    the waves are tricksters...
 They sneak up
   and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
 And no need for Skyclad beach---
  countless times I've
   watched
    the good ole mother ocean
  strip the bikinis
 right off the girls
  who then submerge
     neck down in the
       drink...
 Wearing a gown of
   endless seawater...
     a skirt of green.
 -Will Dockery
Mighty good one Doc.....
Will Dockery
2019-04-20 06:37:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Skirt of Green
The Atlantic is
the best for me
so much more
"personality" than the Gulf.
Crashing waves,
riptides,
the waves are tricksters...
They sneak up
and belt ya in a friendly but solid manner.
And no need for Skyclad beach---
countless times I've
watched
the good ole mother ocean
strip the bikinis
right off the girls
who then submerge
neck down in the
drink...
Wearing a gown of
endless seawater...
a skirt of green.
-Will Dockery
Mighty good one Doc.....
Thanks for the nod, Zod.
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