right wing drivel

[Herman]

The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.

The Curtis topic is a revolting example.

First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".

This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.

Have a good one.

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.

I see. Not only are we ugly but senile as well.

I'm in my early seventies, old enough to remember 'les evenements' of 1968, the revival of Marxism, Danny le Rouge's denunciation of the USSR, the apotheosis of Mao Tse Tung and the Cultural Revolution, the strikes and the sit-ins undertaken by young men and women who would eventually turn into accountants, doctors, lawyers etc.

So to me it's the "left liberals" who sound ancient.

There is one essential difference between 1960s/1970s radicals and their present opinions. Back in the day - especially after the Pill became available - sex was the greatest thing since sliced bread, a cross between free psychoanalysis, an Olympic sport and the October Revolution. Chastity was regarded with extreme suspician; it was reactionary, even fascist. These days, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. The New Puritanism has taken over, and the slightest hint of an unwanted sexual approach is enough to cost a man - and it usually is a man - his career, his social life and maybe his marriage too.

There *was* a recent case here in Australia where a lesbian sportsperson was successfully prosecuted for getting absolutely plastered at a party, diving into a sauna with a whole lot of other women and going on pussy patrol. There was no custodial sentence. I think there was a fine plus a Community Service Order.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[j***@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:30:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Clarke wrote:
These days, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. The New Puritanism has taken over, and the slightest hint of an unwanted sexual approach is enough to cost a man - and it usually is a man - his career, his social life and maybe his marriage too.

Whoaa there, pardner!


PBD Newshour

Gen. John Hyten ‘did something incredibly wrong to me,’ says Col. Kathryn Spletstoser

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/gen-john-hyten-did-something-incredibly-wrong-to-me-says-col-kathryn-spletstoser

_____________________

New York Times

Two Prominent Women Defend General Against Sexual Assault Claim

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/us/politics/john-hyten-kathryn-spletstoser.html

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by Andrew Clarke
These days, the pendulum has swung wildly in the opposite direction. The New Puritanism has taken over, and the slightest hint of an unwanted sexual approach is enough to cost a man - and it usually is a man - his career, his social life and maybe his marriage too.
Whoaa there, pardner!

Sorry! I suspect that exaggeration for rhetorical effect is more common in present Australian and British English than in the USA. Perhaps Americans use dry understatement more for the same effect?

Post by Andrew Clarke
PBD Newshour
Gen. John Hyten ‘did something incredibly wrong to me,’ says Col. Kathryn Spletstoser
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/gen-john-hyten-did-something-incredibly-wrong-to-me-says-col-kathryn-spletstoser
_____________________
New York Times
Two Prominent Women Defend General Against Sexual Assault Claim
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/us/politics/john-hyten-kathryn-spletstoser.html

Good. There should be more of it. Speaking of military men, I have to confess that initially I was wondering who this Major Curtis was ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[j***@gmail.com]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-4, Andrew Clarke wrote:
I suspect that exaggeration for rhetorical effect is more common in present Australian and British English than in the USA. Perhaps Americans use dry understatement more for the same effect?
Figurative language?

"I, too, dislike it.
Reading it, however, with a perfect contempt for it, one discovers in
it, after all, a place for the genuine." --Marianne Moore "Poetry" (1967)

[Frank Berger]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.

Not a single person "blamed the victim." Not a single person said
anything remotely racist (the closest being your prejudiced remark just
now about the aged). If there is hatemongering it appears to be coming
from both sides. The only attacks against anyone's character during the
discussion have come from the majority left against the minority right.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to
post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into
posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the
hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so
old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.

Not a single person "blamed the victim." Not a single person said
anything remotely racist (the closest being your prejudiced remark just
now about the aged). If there is hatemongering it appears to be coming
from both sides. The only attacks against anyone's character during the
discussion have come from the majority left against the minority right.

Yep.

Bob Harper

[msw design]

Post by Frank Berger
Not a single person "blamed the victim." Not a single person said
anything remotely racist (the closest being your prejudiced remark just
now about the aged). If there is hatemongering it appears to be coming
from both sides. The only attacks against anyone's character during the
discussion have come from the majority left against the minority right.

Harper's "let's examine the accuser's character" was tantamount to volunteering for Curtis's defense team. His "I'm not offering an opinion" crap was worthy of any judge who wraps themselves in honor while serving as a hatchet for their party. Even if he had no initial awareness of what his behavior amounted to, but he showed not an ounce of interest, self-reflection or desire to acknowledge the meaning of his choices.

Maybe you are being accused of too much. But Harper's words were ugly, and your primary interest was stepping up to defend your shared sense of victimhood. Your righteousness here is unearned.

[r***@gmail.com]

First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".

This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.

Have a good one.
---------------------------

You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.

Ray Hall, Taree

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by Herman
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
---------------------------
You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.
Ray Hall, Taree

But Ray, I love everybody. Just like this celebrated left-winger:

Andrew the Driveller
Canberra

[j***@gmail.com]

Post by Herman
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
---------------------------
You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.
Ray Hall, Taree

Thank you, Ray.

It's a waste of time engaging these deplorables. No matter how obvious their racism and victim-blaming is along with all their other revolting views, they will only respond with denials and gaslighting. The only upside to them airing their views in public is you will know who to shun - though it is disheartening that it happens in a group dedicated to classical music, which IMHO is mankind's supreme artistic achievement.

[Frank Berger]

Post by j***@gmail.com

First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".why if
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
---------------------------
You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.
Ray Hall, Taree

Thank you, Ray.
It's a waste of time engaging these deplorables. No matter how obvious their racism and victim-blaming is along with all their other revolting views, they will only respond with denials and gaslighting. The only upside to them airing their views in public is you will know who to shun - though it is disheartening that it happens in a group dedicated to classical music, which IMHO is mankind's supreme artistic achievement.

Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants? The few conservatives we have here
always want to talk about issues and never seem to attack someone's
character because of their political views. The name-calling always come
from the left. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it's OK? Why
is someone who believes something different than you (small government
say, rather than big government) of a lower moral standing than you are?
If I say I am against minimum wages because they reduce employment
opportunities for the working poor, I am likely to be told that I hate
the poor, moreover that I am a racist because black people are more
likely to be poor. In short, I am demonized because I hold a different
view. There's no logical sense to this common reaction from many on the
left. It's more logical to think that issues are complex and there are
two sides to every argument. Why the need to demonize? One you claim
the moral high ground, demonization follow logically, I suppose. Why
the need to claim the moral high ground? That's what I don't
understand. There is no possible answer you can provide to these
questions other than to assert your moral superiority, which I reject,
without claiming my own.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by j***@gmail.com

Post by Herman
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the
hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".why if
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so
old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
---------------------------
You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head
every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and
non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.
Ray Hall, Taree

Thank you, Ray.
It's a waste of time engaging these deplorables. No matter how obvious
their racism and victim-blaming is along with all their other
revolting views, they will only respond with denials and gaslighting.
The only upside to them airing their views in public is you will know
who to shun - though it is disheartening that it happens in a group
dedicated to classical music, which IMHO is mankind's supreme artistic
achievement.

Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants?  The few conservatives we have here
always want to talk about issues and never seem to attack someone's
character because of their political views. The name-calling always come
from the left.  Why do you think that is? Why do you think it's OK?  Why
is someone who believes something different than you (small government
say, rather than big government) of a lower moral standing than you are?
If I say I am against minimum wages because they reduce employment
opportunities for the working poor, I am likely to be told that I hate
the poor, moreover that I am a racist because black people are more
likely to be poor.  In short, I am demonized because I hold a different
view.  There's no logical sense to this common reaction from many on the
left.  It's more logical to think that issues are complex and there are
two sides to every argument.  Why the need to demonize?  One you claim
the moral high ground, demonization follow logically, I suppose.  Why
the need to claim the moral high ground?  That's what I don't
understand.  There is no possible answer you can provide to these
questions other than to assert your moral superiority, which I reject,
without claiming my own.

Frank, I agree completely. But don't expect our antagonists to do
anything other than what you say they'll do. As I've said many times, we
think they are wrong; they think we are evil. Until they get past that
and are willing to argue rather than demonize, we won't get anywhere.

Bob Harper

[Todd Michel McComb]

Until they get past that and are willing to argue rather than
demonize, we won't get anywhere.

And where would "we" get? If people agree to interact only on your
terms, I've no doubt you'll find that satisfying indeed....

Barring that, perhaps fewer filibusters in the midst of other discussions
would be warranted.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Todd Michel McComb

Until they get past that and are willing to argue rather than
demonize, we won't get anywhere.

And where would "we" get? If people agree to interact only on your
terms, I've no doubt you'll find that satisfying indeed....
Barring that, perhaps fewer filibusters in the midst of other discussions
would be warranted.

We might get to some understanding. I never said anything about 'only on
my terms'. But it's increasingly apparent that you don't seek
understanding; you just want your way.

Bob Harper

[Todd Michel McComb]

But it's increasingly apparent that you don't seek understanding;
....

Coexistence would be plenty in this situation.

[Todd Michel McComb]

Post by Frank Berger
Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants?

Because your frequent attacks are invisible to you.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Todd Michel McComb

Post by Frank Berger
Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants?

Because your frequent attacks are invisible to you.

List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted. You'd have to go far back in time
to find even one of those. List some of Bob's or Andrew's. When
someone says a policy you favor is destructive or the like, that is not
a personal attack. Calling someone deplorable is. Do you see the
difference?

[Todd Michel McComb]

Post by Frank Berger
List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted.

I refuse to do this again. These things have been pointed out in
more than sufficient detail several times even since I've been
following. It is ignored or denied every time. There is thus no
point in further discussion with you on this. I answered your
question, and that is all.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Todd Michel McComb

Post by Frank Berger
List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted.

I refuse to do this again. These things have been pointed out in
more than sufficient detail several times even since I've been
following. It is ignored or denied every time. There is thus no
point in further discussion with you on this. I answered your
question, and that is all.

In other words, you refuse to answer, and insist that we all agree with
your characterizations. Not going to happen.

Bob Harper

[Todd Michel McComb]

Post by Bob Harper
In other words, you refuse to answer, and insist that we all agree
with your characterizations.

Only the former. You can do what you want on the latter.

This whole "You must address me on my terms & convince me on my
criteria" thing is so old. You can stick to that if you want, but
why should anyone else care?

I've asked you not to support people going off on tangents about
e.g. race in the midst of other discussions. That's it. Yes, I
cannot make you do this, nor will I "convince" you.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Todd Michel McComb

Post by Frank Berger
List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted.

I refuse to do this again. These things have been pointed out in
more than sufficient detail several times even since I've been
following. It is ignored or denied every time. There is thus no
point in further discussion with you on this. I answered your
question, and that is all.

A blatant lie. You've been exposed.

[msw design]

Post by Frank Berger
List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted. You'd have to go far back in time
to find even one of those. List some of Bob's or Andrew's. When
someone says a policy you favor is destructive or the like, that is not
a personal attack. Calling someone deplorable is. Do you see the
difference?

I give you credit, Frank, for your integrity and restraint. But you're not above tribalism.

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by msw design

Post by Frank Berger
List even one of my "frequent" personal attacks that isn't a direct
response to being personally insulted. You'd have to go far back in time
to find even one of those. List some of Bob's or Andrew's. When
someone says a policy you favor is destructive or the like, that is not
a personal attack. Calling someone deplorable is. Do you see the
difference?

I give you credit, Frank, for your integrity and restraint. But you're not above tribalism.

Hola, Lola!

How are things in Santiago?
Is that tapas bar still standing there?

<https://www.nstands.com/companies/msw-design-mobel/>

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by j***@gmail.com

First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".why if
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
---------------------------
You should learn to ignore this drivel Herman. It rears it's head every 3rd new moon, and when there are no more interesting and non-interesting pianists to discuss. Shame to lose informative posters.
Ray Hall, Taree

Thank you, Ray.
It's a waste of time engaging these deplorables. No matter how obvious their racism and victim-blaming is along with all their other revolting views, they will only respond with denials and gaslighting. The only upside to them airing their views in public is you will know who to shun - though it is disheartening that it happens in a group dedicated to classical music, which IMHO is mankind's supreme artistic achievement.

Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants? The few conservatives we have here
always want to talk about issues and never seem to attack someone's
character because of their political views. The name-calling always come
from the left. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it's OK? Why
is someone who believes something different than you (small government
say, rather than big government) of a lower moral standing than you are?
If I say I am against minimum wages because they reduce employment
opportunities for the working poor, I am likely to be told that I hate
the poor, moreover that I am a racist because black people are more
likely to be poor. In short, I am demonized because I hold a different
view. There's no logical sense to this common reaction from many on the
left. It's more logical to think that issues are complex and there are
two sides to every argument. Why the need to demonize? One you claim
the moral high ground, demonization follow logically, I suppose. Why
the need to claim the moral high ground? That's what I don't
understand. There is no possible answer you can provide to these
questions other than to assert your moral superiority, which I reject,
without claiming my own.

Frank,
I have been charged on occasions and on some issues of making Attila seem warm and cuddly. However, I an an economist, and on some issues there are actual experimental facts. Welfare reform is one of them. Please read 'Utopia for Realists' by Rutger Bregman.
Richard

[Robert Marshall]

Post by Frank Berger
Why do you think this kind of personal attack only seems to come from
the left-leaning RMCR participants? The few conservatives we have
here always want to talk about issues and never seem to attack
someone's character because of their political views.

Not always - I left SymphonyShare because of precisely this personal
attack on left-leaning participants dressed up as impartial moderation.
Yes I know it happens on both sides... and I know SymphonyShare isn't RMCR

Robert

[wkasimer]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.

You should learn to knit and join Ravelry - you'll be much happier there:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/23/ravelry-bans-president-donald-trump-support-white-supremacy/1543323001/

And BTW - I don't think that anyone has actually missed you.

[O]

Post by wkasimer

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in
an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large
amounts of right wing drivel here.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/23/ravelry-bans-president-d
onald-trump-support-white-supremacy/1543323001/
And BTW - I don't think that anyone has actually missed you.

If you want to be missed...well...you're in the wrong genre. 'Tis
Country Music you want:

"How can I miss you when you won't go away"
-Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks

"(Get your tongue outta my mouth) I'm Kissin' You Goodbye"
-Ray Stevens

"[When Your Phone Don't Ring] It'll Be Me"
-George Jones

The George Jones is the best of a rather poor musicological lot, but
it's the titles that are endearing.

-Owen, Just adding to the right wing drivel...

P.S. Herman, I miss you!

-O

[JohnGavin]

The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.

The Curtis topic is a revolting example.

First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".

This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.

Have a good one.

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Herman - there’s a new docu-drama about Fox News called “The loudest voice in the room“. That’s how right wingers operate these days. Bully tactics. Tenacity - never letting go of a fight until they win. There is talk on the left that we withdraw too much, apologize to much. Take the highroad. Don’t you think it’s time to match them, at least for the time being? Is it time to stop being polite? I’m not entirely sure of the answer.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
—————————————————————————
Herman - there’s a new docu-drama about Fox News called “The loudest voice in the room“. That’s how right wingers operate these days. Bully tactics. Tenacity - never letting go of a fight until they win. There is talk on the left that we withdraw too much, apologize to much. Take the highroad. Don’t you think it’s time to match them, at least for the time being? Is it time to stop being polite? I’m not entirely sure of the answer.

Come on, John. You guys have gotten used to 'winning' every argument by
denouncing your opponents and citing your moral superiority rather than
besting their arguments. And for years your opponents simply shut down
and gave in. Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.

Bob Harper

[JohnGavin]

Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.

Bob Harper

The problem isn’t that the Republicans are fighting. It’s that they are fighting dirty, immorally, and to the detriment of this country’s future. With shockingly few exceptions they are all accomplices. All to hold on to their wealth and power.

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by Bob Harper
Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.
Bob Harper
The problem isn’t that the Republicans are fighting. It’s that they are fighting dirty, immorally, and to the detriment of this country’s future. With shockingly few exceptions they are all accomplices. All to hold on to their wealth and power.

1. The Roosevelts and the Kennedys were not exactly poor and they weren't exactly Republicans,
2. The free-market low tariff reforms associated with President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher were implemented by the Labor Parties both in Australia and New Zealand,
3. I cannot vote for the Republican Party or indeed the Democratic Party for obvious reasons. AIUI the way political parties behave in the USA is very different from the way they behave in Australia or the UK, and back in the day a Southern Democrat could be further to the "right" than a Northern Republican.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by Andrew Clarke

Post by Bob Harper
Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.
Bob Harper
The problem isn’t that the Republicans are fighting. It’s that they are fighting dirty, immorally, and to the detriment of this country’s future. With shockingly few exceptions they are all accomplices. All to hold on to their wealth and power.

1. The Roosevelts and the Kennedys were not exactly poor and they weren't exactly Republicans,
2. The free-market low tariff reforms associated with President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher were implemented by the Labor Parties both in Australia and New Zealand,
3. I cannot vote for the Republican Party or indeed the Democratic Party for obvious reasons. AIUI the way political parties behave in the USA is very different from the way they behave in Australia or the UK, and back in the day a Southern Democrat could be further to the "right" than a Northern Republican.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra

A minor correction. President Theodore Roosevelt was Republican at the time.

[Todd Michel McComb]

Post by JohnGavin
With shockingly few exceptions they are all accomplices. All to
hold on to their wealth and power.

It's such a greedy country....

[Bob Harper]

Post by Bob Harper
Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.
Bob Harper
The problem isn’t that the Republicans are fighting. It’s that they are fighting dirty, immorally, and to the detriment of this country’s future. With shockingly few exceptions they are all accomplices. All to hold on to their wealth and power.

So they're like Democrats, eh? I'm shocked, SHOCKED. Politics is not
played by Marquis of Queensberry rules. Those who play by Saul Alinksy's
rules have no right to complain when their opponents recognize that and
respond in kind.

Bob Harper

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by Bob Harper

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
—————————————————————————
Herman - there’s a new docu-drama about Fox News called “The loudest voice in the room“. That’s how right wingers operate these days. Bully tactics. Tenacity - never letting go of a fight until they win. There is talk on the left that we withdraw too much, apologize to much. Take the highroad. Don’t you think it’s time to match them, at least for the time being? Is it time to stop being polite? I’m not entirely sure of the answer.

Come on, John. You guys have gotten used to 'winning' every argument by
denouncing your opponents and citing your moral superiority rather than
besting their arguments. And for years your opponents simply shut down
and gave in. Now they are fighting back, and you don't like it. Well,
too bad.
Bob Harper

That's it in a nut-shell (see my other post).

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".
This used to be a music group. But some of these old cranks are so old, they can't even listen to music anymore.
Have a good one.
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Herman - there’s a new docu-drama about Fox News called “The loudest voice in the room“. That’s how right wingers operate these days. Bully tactics. Tenacity - never letting go of a fight until they win. There is talk on the left that we withdraw too much, apologize to much. Take the highroad. Don’t you think it’s time to match them, at least for the time being? Is it time to stop being polite? I’m not entirely sure of the answer.

That's how the Right wins? I'm sorry, but in the United States, it's the Left that has been attempting to set limitations on what conservatives can say in recent years. If an unapproved opinion is given, then that's when the bullying really begins. We just had a celebrity this past week who has been getting hell and calls for him to be fired because he stated in an interview that he doesn't think it's a good idea for parents to allow their three-year-old children to choose their own gender. And that's just one example. Never a week goes by when I fail to see something like that.

[Frank Lekens]

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".

Sadly, yes. It's become a rather depressing group to try and follow.
Any suggestions for a good alternative are welcome.

[Andrew Clarke]

Post by Frank Lekens

Post by Herman
The reason why I have stopped posting here is I just don't want to post in an environment where there's a minority that's very much into posting large amounts of right wing drivel here.
The Curtis topic is a revolting example.
First the kneejerk "Blame the Victim" stuff. Then the racism, en the hatemongering about the "extreme left wing".

Sadly, yes. It's become a rather depressing group to try and follow.
Any suggestions for a good alternative are welcome.

Sorry, Frank, but the RWD has only occurred in four topics so far: about Chicago, Baltimore, Miss St John and this one. My contributions were almost immediately denounced as "racist" etc by msw design and Todd McComb, so I replied with some fervour, as is my right to do.

There are plenty of other threads for you 'no platformers' to read, e.g. whether some conductor's version of Brahms in 1962 was better or worse than his recording of the same material in 1974 or the remastered CD reissue in 1997.

Meanwhile, this Right Wing Drivel thread has already attracted 165 Google Group views, the Baltimore thread 710,the Major Curtis Scandal thread 886, and the Chicago thread a whopping 1409, so us 'haters' must appeal to quite a number of people who are sick and tired at being preached at by snowflakes, especially those who have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing since about 1968.

Meanwhile, for those who are interested in such things:

<https://www.vulture.com/2015/03/mad-men-museum-moving-image.html>

I can't remember when I last heard of Ossining as a fashionable address. I know people like Harry the Horse, Little Isadore and Spanish John used to live there, usually for several years at a time, but without the knotty pine and tartan panels. Perhaps they preferred it that way?

Andrew Clarke
Canberra