Discussion:
The best part of Windows 11 is a revamped Windows Subsystem for Linux
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Joel
2021-10-08 18:12:40 UTC
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
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chrisv
2021-10-08 18:20:15 UTC
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Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
Heh. "The good news is that we still hadn't covered the best part of
Windows 11: Linux."
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Joel
2021-10-08 19:09:48 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
Heh. "The good news is that we still hadn't covered the best part of
Windows 11: Linux."
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11. I don't have WSL,
but I do want the absolute latest codebase running, even if I would be
very hesitant to recommend the "upgrade" for a happy user of Win10.
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Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-08 21:16:19 UTC
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Post by Joel
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11.
Like what? No example? I don't believe it. Since decades I hear the new
Windows version is better and when I'm using it I discover it's still
garbage.
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Joel
2021-10-08 22:16:54 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Joel
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11.
Like what? No example? I don't believe it. Since decades I hear the new
Windows version is better and when I'm using it I discover it's still
garbage.
If you want to be with Microsoft, there are advantages to being with
their latest and greatest.
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Joel Crump
rbowman
2021-10-09 02:31:32 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Joel
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11.
Like what? No example? I don't believe it. Since decades I hear the new
Windows version is better and when I'm using it I discover it's still
garbage.
If you want to be with Microsoft, there are advantages to being with
their latest and greatest.
Which is why the world had to be dragged from Windows 7 kicking and
screaming. They started a campaign to eliminate all Win7 boxes where I
work. It worked out okay for me since I got a wiped box to install Linux
on that was better than my state of 2011 art Linux machine.
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-09 10:38:24 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Joel
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11.
Like what? No example? I don't believe it. Since decades I hear the new
Windows version is better and when I'm using it I discover it's still
garbage.
If you want to be with Microsoft,
I don't.
Post by Joel
there are advantages to being with their latest and greatest.
Doesn't make it good.
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RonB
2021-10-12 12:53:17 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Joel
There are reasons to think there's value in Win11.
Like what? No example? I don't believe it. Since decades I hear the new
Windows version is better and when I'm using it I discover it's still
garbage.
And if it is decent, just wait until the next upgrade when they screw it all
up.
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RabidHussar
2021-10-08 19:01:39 UTC
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Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
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Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Joel
2021-10-08 19:09:48 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
I deserve to be a guinea pig for the new branch. And I don't really
feel like doing a clean install, the original 20H2 to 21H1 to 11 is
still going strong.
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Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-08 21:20:30 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
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Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
Warthog
2021-10-08 21:24:53 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)


It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.

I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
HHI
2021-10-08 21:26:30 UTC
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Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
Remember, you simply have been wrong about EVERYTHING dealing with the
number:

1) You denied your number was in my provider's "Caller ID" logs even AFTER
you called me and were shown evidence to the contrary:



2) You denied the number in the "Caller ID" logs was tied to Johnson City
even though the evidence is contrary:

<https://www.whitepages.com/phone/1-423-491-1448>

<https://findwhocallsyou.com/4234911448?CallerInfo>

3) You denied you gave me public permission to share the number in that
logs, even after you did:

Gremlin <***@ruqg2R96.REs>:
-----
You have my permission to post your caller ID logs, snit.
-----

4) You denied the number in that log was tied to you in pubic databases
even though it is:

<https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/results?name=4234911448&Diesel&Gremlin&Dustin_Cook>

<https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=4234911448&rid=0x0&Diesel&Gremlin&Dustin_Cook>

5) You made up a bizarre story about my having the info changed at TruePeopleSearch,
even though it is very unlikely they would allow people to change OTHER'S
information. And that does not explain this:

<https://www.usphonebook.com/423-491-1448?Dustin-Cook&Diesel&Gremlin>

You claim to know so much about tech and your phone... but you keep getting
EVERYTHING about it wrong. Instead of repeatedly questioning me about circuits
you should focus on whatever is short circuiting in your head. :)
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Helmut Achterberg
2021-10-08 22:02:09 UTC
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Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
What does choice of news client have to do with anything? FWIW I use
slrn and the reason is USENET is text based, not html, so it makes
sense.
I've tried Thunderbird under both Linux and Windows and honestly it
runs better under Windows and is faster than slrn for downloading and
decoding articles but it's overkill for me. I like using the keyboard
and a powerful easy to use filtering system and slrn does that very
well. Besides, how often is someone downloading thousands of articles?

I have no complaints with recent versions of Windows but since Linux
suits my needs I use and support it. I don't particularly like
Microsoft Office, except for Excel which really is a well done
program compared to the alternatives and while I would like to see
Linux capture more of the desktop or home user share of users, I am
happy with Linux so that's all that matters to me.

I use MX Linux with kde plasma if that means anything.
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"you might tick incorrectly"
RabidHussar
2021-10-08 23:50:27 UTC
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Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
What does choice of news client have to do with anything? FWIW I use
slrn and the reason is USENET is text based, not html, so it makes
sense.
Tell that to Good Guy in the windows-10 forum who only posts with html
because text is archaic.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I've tried Thunderbird under both Linux and Windows and honestly it
runs better under Windows and is faster than slrn for downloading and
decoding articles but it's overkill for me. I like using the keyboard
and a powerful easy to use filtering system and slrn does that very
well. Besides, how often is someone downloading thousands of articles?
I find that Thunderbird has the best filtering system of any newsreader.
It's also intuitive unlike the alternatives.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I have no complaints with recent versions of Windows but since Linux
suits my needs I use and support it. I don't particularly like
Microsoft Office, except for Excel which really is a well done
program compared to the alternatives and while I would like to see
Linux capture more of the desktop or home user share of users, I am
happy with Linux so that's all that matters to me.
I use MX Linux with kde plasma if that means anything.
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Joel
2021-10-08 23:54:07 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
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Joel Crump
RabidHussar
2021-10-09 01:48:50 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
There is basically a driver for every piece of hardware made on Earth
through Windows, admittedly. Linux is pretty good about that too. Only
Mac OS isn't but mostly because it doesn't have to be.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
RonB
2021-10-12 12:36:44 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
There is basically a driver for every piece of hardware made on Earth
through Windows, admittedly. Linux is pretty good about that too. Only
Mac OS isn't but mostly because it doesn't have to be.
Actually, no. Old hardware is often specifically NOT supported in newer
versions of Windows.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RabidHussar
2021-10-12 13:12:20 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
There is basically a driver for every piece of hardware made on Earth
through Windows, admittedly. Linux is pretty good about that too. Only
Mac OS isn't but mostly because it doesn't have to be.
Actually, no. Old hardware is often specifically NOT supported in newer
versions of Windows.
You have to work around the fact that the operating system doesn't
automatically detect the old stuff but, generally, there is a way to
make it work. Linux is admittedly better in this respect but with Linux,
if it doesn't automatically detect it, there's likely very little you
can do to remedy the situation.
--
@RabidHussar
Stephen Carroll - frelwizzer
2021-10-12 15:36:51 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
There is basically a driver for every piece of hardware made on Earth
through Windows, admittedly. Linux is pretty good about that too. Only
Mac OS isn't but mostly because it doesn't have to be.
Actually, no. Old hardware is often specifically NOT supported in newer
versions of Windows.
You have to work around the fact that the operating system doesn't
automatically detect the old stuff but, generally, there is a way to
make it work. Linux is admittedly better in this respect but with Linux,
if it doesn't automatically detect it, there's likely very little you
can do to remedy the situation.
--
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slimy worm streetwalkers, and vigorously-greased ram, tied up with ropes
for his own secret yearnings. This forum is a septic tank.

Snit sock Michael Glasser Snit must understand everyone knows he is just
lying. Just bullshit from him. But Snit sock Michael Glasser Snit has thoroughly
left reason behind and is just holding me culpable for the actions of himself.
At one point, Snit sock Michael Glasser Snit said a COLA denizen was "obsessing"
over him, which was identified as replying to his posts. Snit sock Michael
Glasser Snit's passed old text through Google translate with the Bellman–Ford
algorithm to regurgitate posts which are made to sound like a response from
Mike Easter's. That is the problem 'today' and newer educators don't have
a clue, people from earlier generations are the only ones who know better
than to fall for the New World agenda.

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them:

RonB
2021-10-12 16:07:39 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
Post by RabidHussar
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
M$ is the universally compatible platform. I don't have to worry
about Win10 or 11 not recognizing virtually any piece of hardware I
might throw at it, and there are apps from the most different sources
for the Windows platform.
There is basically a driver for every piece of hardware made on Earth
through Windows, admittedly. Linux is pretty good about that too. Only
Mac OS isn't but mostly because it doesn't have to be.
Actually, no. Old hardware is often specifically NOT supported in newer
versions of Windows.
You have to work around the fact that the operating system doesn't
automatically detect the old stuff but, generally, there is a way to
make it work. Linux is admittedly better in this respect but with Linux,
if it doesn't automatically detect it, there's likely very little you
can do to remedy the situation.
My remedy for the situation is to mostly buy older computers, usually Dell
business computers, which are plentiful and well-supported.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RonB
2021-10-12 12:35:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
What does choice of news client have to do with anything? FWIW I use
slrn and the reason is USENET is text based, not html, so it makes
sense.
Tell that to Good Guy in the windows-10 forum who only posts with html
because text is archaic.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I've tried Thunderbird under both Linux and Windows and honestly it
runs better under Windows and is faster than slrn for downloading and
decoding articles but it's overkill for me. I like using the keyboard
and a powerful easy to use filtering system and slrn does that very
well. Besides, how often is someone downloading thousands of articles?
I find that Thunderbird has the best filtering system of any newsreader.
It's also intuitive unlike the alternatives.
What's not "intuitive" about hitting the "k" key for killfile? Although
"intuitive" just really means "what you're used to using."
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I have no complaints with recent versions of Windows but since Linux
suits my needs I use and support it. I don't particularly like
Microsoft Office, except for Excel which really is a well done
program compared to the alternatives and while I would like to see
Linux capture more of the desktop or home user share of users, I am
happy with Linux so that's all that matters to me.
I use MX Linux with kde plasma if that means anything.
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
And I don't game, or use Microsoft Office = ZERO reason to enrich Bill
"dipshit" Gates and be a perpetual beta tester for his bug-ridden hobbyware.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RabidHussar
2021-10-12 13:10:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
What does choice of news client have to do with anything? FWIW I use
slrn and the reason is USENET is text based, not html, so it makes
sense.
Tell that to Good Guy in the windows-10 forum who only posts with html
because text is archaic.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I've tried Thunderbird under both Linux and Windows and honestly it
runs better under Windows and is faster than slrn for downloading and
decoding articles but it's overkill for me. I like using the keyboard
and a powerful easy to use filtering system and slrn does that very
well. Besides, how often is someone downloading thousands of articles?
I find that Thunderbird has the best filtering system of any newsreader.
It's also intuitive unlike the alternatives.
What's not "intuitive" about hitting the "k" key for killfile? Although
"intuitive" just really means "what you're used to using."
The problem is that hitting 'k' basically only filters that address.
Thunderbird is intuitive in that it allows you to make filters for any
pattern you've noticed.
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I have no complaints with recent versions of Windows but since Linux
suits my needs I use and support it. I don't particularly like
Microsoft Office, except for Excel which really is a well done
program compared to the alternatives and while I would like to see
Linux capture more of the desktop or home user share of users, I am
happy with Linux so that's all that matters to me.
I use MX Linux with kde plasma if that means anything.
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
And I don't game, or use Microsoft Office = ZERO reason to enrich Bill
"dipshit" Gates and be a perpetual beta tester for his bug-ridden hobbyware.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
--
@RabidHussar
RonB
2021-10-12 16:05:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by RabidHussar
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
What does choice of news client have to do with anything? FWIW I use
slrn and the reason is USENET is text based, not html, so it makes
sense.
Tell that to Good Guy in the windows-10 forum who only posts with html
because text is archaic.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I've tried Thunderbird under both Linux and Windows and honestly it
runs better under Windows and is faster than slrn for downloading and
decoding articles but it's overkill for me. I like using the keyboard
and a powerful easy to use filtering system and slrn does that very
well. Besides, how often is someone downloading thousands of articles?
I find that Thunderbird has the best filtering system of any newsreader.
It's also intuitive unlike the alternatives.
What's not "intuitive" about hitting the "k" key for killfile? Although
"intuitive" just really means "what you're used to using."
The problem is that hitting 'k' basically only filters that address.
Thunderbird is intuitive in that it allows you to make filters for any
pattern you've noticed.
You hit "k" for killfile and then you have choices of what to kill on
(Subject, Sender, etc.). One of the choices is "Edit" -- so you can
customize your filter there.
Post by RabidHussar
Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
I have no complaints with recent versions of Windows but since Linux
suits my needs I use and support it. I don't particularly like
Microsoft Office, except for Excel which really is a well done
program compared to the alternatives and while I would like to see
Linux capture more of the desktop or home user share of users, I am
happy with Linux so that's all that matters to me.
I use MX Linux with kde plasma if that means anything.
If I didn't game, I'd truly have no reason to stay with Windows other
than the fact that my hardware is rather new and still gets firmware and
BIOS updates through Windows Update.
And I don't game, or use Microsoft Office = ZERO reason to enrich Bill
"dipshit" Gates and be a perpetual beta tester for his bug-ridden hobbyware.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
I only have to deal with the stench of Windows when my wife has a problem or
one of my younger kids has issues (but normally the kids are able to take
care of their own problems). So I'm luckier than most. My Windows time is
very minimal. Even then I grumble when I have to work on Windows.
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RabidHussar
2021-10-08 23:41:34 UTC
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Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
--
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Helmut Achterberg
2021-10-08 23:52:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
I too fail to see why he was attacked. Choice is good and what's even
better is we can all choose what works best for our own individual
application. For me, the filtering and ease of keyboard commands is
what drives me to slrn. I do cheat a little though as I use Kate as
my editor because I find it to be best for my needs. Others probably
use vim or Nano etc.
When I was using Windows for Usenet I used Forte' Agent or
Thunderbird and both worked rather well.
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
And if one wishes to engage in the OS wars, stick to the OS and leave
the personal attacks out of it.
I shall leave my soapbox now :)
--
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"you might tick incorrectly"
Dick_Holder
2021-10-09 00:47:43 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2021 23:52:20 GMT, Helmut Achterberg, typed
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
Just loaded 5000 headers in this group in less than 2 seconds.
The way I use slrn, it downloads the message as you read it, which is
instantaneous.

If you think slrn is slow, you haven't used it.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
I too fail to see why he was attacked. Choice is good and what's even
better is we can all choose what works best for our own individual
application. For me, the filtering and ease of keyboard commands is
what drives me to slrn. I do cheat a little though as I use Kate as
my editor because I find it to be best for my needs. Others probably
use vim or Nano etc.
Vim.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
When I was using Windows for Usenet I used Forte' Agent or
Thunderbird and both worked rather well.
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
And if one wishes to engage in the OS wars, stick to the OS and leave
the personal attacks out of it.
I shall leave my soapbox now :)
The best OS is the one not currently pissing you off ;)
--
End of buffer
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 11:18:03 UTC
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Post by Dick_Holder
The best OS is the one not currently pissing you off ;)
Here is the right place to criticize other OS.

For once it's not about covid and politics.
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RabidHussar
2021-10-09 01:32:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
I too fail to see why he was attacked. Choice is good and what's even
better is we can all choose what works best for our own individual
application. For me, the filtering and ease of keyboard commands is
what drives me to slrn. I do cheat a little though as I use Kate as
my editor because I find it to be best for my needs. Others probably
use vim or Nano etc.
When I was using Windows for Usenet I used Forte' Agent or
Thunderbird and both worked rather well.
Forte Agent is fine but it doesn't compare to Thunderbird favorably. I
actually have a license for the software that I'm simply not using
because of how perfect Thunderbird is for Usenet.
Post by Helmut Achterberg
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
And if one wishes to engage in the OS wars, stick to the OS and leave
the personal attacks out of it.
I shall leave my soapbox now :)
I agree that there is no best OS. It's all subjective, no matter what.
Some people want their hand to be held at all times so they appreciate
how Mac OS works. Others like to have access to the widest selection of
professional software and therefore choose Windows. Some don't like
paying for their stuff and have needs which are modest and therefore
like Linux. There is no victor because the needs of every individual
tend to be unique. For my tastes, Linux is the most fun to use but it
doesn't do everything that I want my hardware to be able to do since I'm
including games on the list. It plays them, clearly, but not as well as
Windows does.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
pothead
2021-10-09 12:32:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
I too fail to see why he was attacked. Choice is good and what's even
better is we can all choose what works best for our own individual
application. For me, the filtering and ease of keyboard commands is
what drives me to slrn. I do cheat a little though as I use Kate as
my editor because I find it to be best for my needs. Others probably
use vim or Nano etc.
When I was using Windows for Usenet I used Forte' Agent or
Thunderbird and both worked rather well.
Forte Agent is fine but it doesn't compare to Thunderbird favorably. I
actually have a license for the software that I'm simply not using
because of how perfect Thunderbird is for Usenet.
Forte Agent is fine until is database or index files trip over
themselves and become corrupt. If you have no back up you are screwed.
And it's more common than some think.
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
And if one wishes to engage in the OS wars, stick to the OS and leave
the personal attacks out of it.
I shall leave my soapbox now :)
I agree that there is no best OS. It's all subjective, no matter what.
Some people want their hand to be held at all times so they appreciate
how Mac OS works. Others like to have access to the widest selection of
professional software and therefore choose Windows. Some don't like
paying for their stuff and have needs which are modest and therefore
like Linux. There is no victor because the needs of every individual
tend to be unique. For my tastes, Linux is the most fun to use but it
doesn't do everything that I want my hardware to be able to do since I'm
including games on the list. It plays them, clearly, but not as well as
Windows does.
The need for gaming software means Windows or a console at least in
terms of choice of software. Like others I need Windows for my
business but for most everything else I use Linux and I am able to
find alternatives to Windows software that work for me.
Windows has come a long way since XP.
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
--
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RabidHussar
2021-10-09 13:01:57 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy. If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
I too fail to see why he was attacked. Choice is good and what's even
better is we can all choose what works best for our own individual
application. For me, the filtering and ease of keyboard commands is
what drives me to slrn. I do cheat a little though as I use Kate as
my editor because I find it to be best for my needs. Others probably
use vim or Nano etc.
When I was using Windows for Usenet I used Forte' Agent or
Thunderbird and both worked rather well.
Forte Agent is fine but it doesn't compare to Thunderbird favorably. I
actually have a license for the software that I'm simply not using
because of how perfect Thunderbird is for Usenet.
Forte Agent is fine until is database or index files trip over
themselves and become corrupt. If you have no back up you are screwed.
And it's more common than some think.
I imagine that you have to use the same software for a few years before
such a thing happens though.
Post by pothead
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
And if one wishes to engage in the OS wars, stick to the OS and leave
the personal attacks out of it.
I shall leave my soapbox now :)
I agree that there is no best OS. It's all subjective, no matter what.
Some people want their hand to be held at all times so they appreciate
how Mac OS works. Others like to have access to the widest selection of
professional software and therefore choose Windows. Some don't like
paying for their stuff and have needs which are modest and therefore
like Linux. There is no victor because the needs of every individual
tend to be unique. For my tastes, Linux is the most fun to use but it
doesn't do everything that I want my hardware to be able to do since I'm
including games on the list. It plays them, clearly, but not as well as
Windows does.
The need for gaming software means Windows or a console at least in
terms of choice of software. Like others I need Windows for my
business but for most everything else I use Linux and I am able to
find alternatives to Windows software that work for me.
Windows has come a long way since XP.
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
chrisv
2021-10-09 13:21:13 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by pothead
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
No. Learn how to think. There is no "best OS", period.

Windows is the best choice for gamers.
--
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was debated is whether Torvalds is an effective _leader_, not an
effective _programmer_." - "Slimer", lying shamelessly
Branimir Maksimovic
2021-10-09 14:15:01 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
Post by pothead
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
No. Learn how to think. There is no "best OS", period.
Windows is the best choice for gamers.
Not any more...
I have ±400 games on Linux, with Valve Linux is also choice,,,
--
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Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
RabidHussar
2021-10-09 16:41:23 UTC
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Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
Post by pothead
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
No. Learn how to think. There is no "best OS", period.
Windows is the best choice for gamers.
Not any more...
I have ±400 games on Linux, with Valve Linux is also choice,,,
Play Civilization 6 on Windows and then play the same game with the same
hardware on Linux. You'll very quickly notice the differences in
performance. Every game runs much worse in Linux unless it was created
using Vulkan. The problem is that only a handful of games were.

Add to that the fact that excellent deals such as Xbox Game Pass are
exclusive to Windows and Linux becomes a hard sell. If you don't mind
paying for each game you buy, most of which are poor ports or generic 2D
games, then Linux is fine but if you like getting access to 150 games,
all of the Microsoft ones from the first day and tons of EA sports
titles for less than $20 a month then you're out of luck. In most cases,
they don't run AT ALL in Linux and if you somehow manage to get them to
work, they run poorly.
--
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Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Branimir Maksimovic
2021-10-09 22:25:37 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
Post by pothead
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
No. Learn how to think. There is no "best OS", period.
Windows is the best choice for gamers.
Not any more...
I have ±400 games on Linux, with Valve Linux is also choice,,,
Play Civilization 6 on Windows and then play the same game with the same
hardware on Linux. You'll very quickly notice the differences in
performance. Every game runs much worse in Linux unless it was created
using Vulkan. The problem is that only a handful of games were.
Everything uses Vulkan, especially Windows games on Linux :P
I haven't noticed any performance problems :P
--
7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
RabidHussar
2021-10-10 00:46:55 UTC
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Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
Post by pothead
There is no "best OS" as people's needs and requirements differ.
If games are what you want, the best OS is Windows. There is no
negotiation on that matter.
No. Learn how to think. There is no "best OS", period.
Windows is the best choice for gamers.
Not any more...
I have ±400 games on Linux, with Valve Linux is also choice,,,
Play Civilization 6 on Windows and then play the same game with the same
hardware on Linux. You'll very quickly notice the differences in
performance. Every game runs much worse in Linux unless it was created
using Vulkan. The problem is that only a handful of games were.
Everything uses Vulkan, especially Windows games on Linux :P
I haven't noticed any performance problems :P
<https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_games_with_Vulkan_support#:~:text=Games%20%20%20%20Title%20%20%20,%20Bethesda%20Softworks%20%2013%20more%20rows%20>

Not everything. In fact, very few.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Branimir Maksimovic
2021-10-10 01:53:24 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
--
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Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
RabidHussar
2021-10-10 02:13:18 UTC
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Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.

If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
--
@RabidHussar
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Branimir Maksimovic
2021-10-10 02:16:04 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
dxvk 12 and 11 proton uses vlkan driver that implements direcX 11 and 12 :P
--
7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
RabidHussar
2021-10-10 02:26:33 UTC
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Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
dxvk 12 and 11 proton uses vlkan driver that implements direcX 11 and 12 :P
So you're insinuating that any Windows game I try through Steam will
work in Linux? Any game?
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Branimir Maksimovic
2021-10-11 00:22:43 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
dxvk 12 and 11 proton uses vlkan driver that implements direcX 11 and 12 :P
So you're insinuating that any Windows game I try through Steam will
work in Linux? Any game?
Yes, even better :P
Only thing that does not works is DRM games as they mess with
low level Windows :P
--
7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
with software, you repeat same experiment, expecting different results...
RabidHussar
2021-10-11 20:24:11 UTC
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Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
dxvk 12 and 11 proton uses vlkan driver that implements direcX 11 and 12 :P
So you're insinuating that any Windows game I try through Steam will
work in Linux? Any game?
Yes, even better :P
Only thing that does not works is DRM games as they mess with
low level Windows :P
Prove it.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
rbowman
2021-10-10 04:28:10 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)

I can't address how many games use the API but if it's the successor to
OpenGL I would think a lot. DirectX might be a safer choice but I
believe it lags in performance.
RabidHussar
2021-10-10 13:58:33 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)
I can't address how many games use the API but if it's the successor to
OpenGL I would think a lot. DirectX might be a safer choice but I
believe it lags in performance.
There's a chance that DirectX lags in performance but, so far, every
DirectX game I've played is a lot faster than every Vulkan game. I'm
open to buying games made with Vulkan in mind, especially since it's
developed by AMD and also easier to port from one platform to another
but companies seem to love their DirectX.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
rbowman
2021-10-10 18:46:06 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by rbowman
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Branimir Maksimovic
Post by RabidHussar
Not everything. In fact, very few.
Every Windows game is not a few...
I think you have no idea what Vulkan is.
If you're referring to the engine in Steam which allows you to run
Windows games within Linux or Mac OS, that's Proton.
https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)
I can't address how many games use the API but if it's the successor
to OpenGL I would think a lot. DirectX might be a safer choice but I
believe it lags in performance.
There's a chance that DirectX lags in performance but, so far, every
DirectX game I've played is a lot faster than every Vulkan game. I'm
open to buying games made with Vulkan in mind, especially since it's
developed by AMD and also easier to port from one platform to another
but companies seem to love their DirectX.
Maybe. I've got a dusty Xbox 360 but games haven't been my thing. My
brushes with DirectX have been with map rendering but that isn't very
demanding.
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 11:23:44 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Post by RabidHussar
It's all subjective, no matter what.
Of course, but if everyone had the same opinion, the world would be
boring.
Post by RabidHussar
Some don't like paying for their stuff and have needs which are modest
and therefore like Linux.
I'm not using Linux for cost reasons.
Post by RabidHussar
including games on the list. It plays them, clearly, but not as well as
Windows does.
It's probably the most important improvement toward end-user desktop.
Ten years ago, the game part was clearly a no-go except for a very few
selected games. Now, it's really better.
--
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RabidHussar
2021-10-10 14:06:02 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
I love Linux, but it can't claim to be the best OS nor does it do so.
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
It's all subjective, no matter what.
Of course, but if everyone had the same opinion, the world would be
boring.
Hence why I believe in unrestricted free speech.
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Some don't like paying for their stuff and have needs which are modest
and therefore like Linux.
I'm not using Linux for cost reasons.
Post by RabidHussar
including games on the list. It plays them, clearly, but not as well as
Windows does.
It's probably the most important improvement toward end-user desktop.
Ten years ago, the game part was clearly a no-go except for a very few
selected games. Now, it's really better.
It is, but if you're a fan of FIFA, Assassin's Creed or Far Cry like I
am, you have nothing to work with.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
chrisv
2021-10-10 19:26:56 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot. Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?

Like I told "Slimer", learn how to think. Lying prick who calls
someone a liar to his face because you "don't believe" a entirely
plausible explanation.
--
"Find [the homeless] a new home in the bottom of the nearby ocean." -
"Slimer", self-proclaimed "Christian"
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 20:07:29 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot.
Yes, I know that. Try to tell me things I don't already know.
Post by chrisv
Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?
Why do you stop there? You could put a lot of other words. Or instead,
you could have tried to contradict my argument but it would require you
to use your brain.
Post by chrisv
learn how to think.
You don't know what it means. You are unable to use your brain, you are
devastated. You are using your guts and probably some drugs, but not the
ones a medic would give you to help your misery.
--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
pothead
2021-10-10 20:24:24 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot.
Yes, I know that. Try to tell me things I don't already know.
Post by chrisv
Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?
Why do you stop there? You could put a lot of other words. Or instead,
you could have tried to contradict my argument but it would require you
to use your brain.
Post by chrisv
learn how to think.
You don't know what it means. You are unable to use your brain, you are
devastated. You are using your guts and probably some drugs, but not the
ones a medic would give you to help your misery.
chrisv does make a valid point though, there is no BEST, of anything.
Best is a subjective term.

So if you asked a farmer what is the best car he would probably say a
Ford F-150.
Ask a city dweller the same question and you would probably hear "
Prius" or other small, easy to park car, etc.

Of course if you phrase the question differently and ask "what is the
highest quality car" data can be used to back that up, such as JD
Power and other companies that study this kind of stuff.

Best car?
Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche,etc.
Oh, I have to use it as a daily driver?
Honda.... etc.

Same for operating systems.

Best is all related to who is being asked the question and their
particular criteria.

And it's like that for everything.

So chrisv is correct, there is no "best" of anything.
It depends.
--
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Steven Carroll - fretwizzer
2021-10-10 20:36:54 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot.
Yes, I know that. Try to tell me things I don't already know.
Post by chrisv
Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?
Why do you stop there? You could put a lot of other words. Or instead,
you could have tried to contradict my argument but it would require you
to use your brain.
Post by chrisv
learn how to think.
You don't know what it means. You are unable to use your brain, you are
devastated. You are using your guts and probably some drugs, but not the
ones a medic would give you to help your misery.
chrisv does make a valid point though, there is no BEST, of anything.
Best is a subjective term.
So if you asked a farmer what is the best car he would probably say a
Ford F-150.
Ask a city dweller the same question and you would probably hear "
Prius" or other small, easy to park car, etc.
Of course if you phrase the question differently and ask "what is the
highest quality car" data can be used to back that up, such as JD
Power and other companies that study this kind of stuff.
Best car?
Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche,etc.
Oh, I have to use it as a daily driver?
Honda.... etc.
Same for operating systems.
Best is all related to who is being asked the question and their
particular criteria.
And it's like that for everything.
So chrisv is correct, there is no "best" of anything.
It depends.
--
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Just about everything Digger Thomnson says about what John Gohde has done
is false as everyone knows.

He'd have to be suffering from intense madness to be unsure of if he "never
had" purchased macOS with John Gohde. Ring any bells? When someone can't
be consistent with his story and employs pretend, self-image saving baloney
later, it's very clear what his ploy is. Folks who have known Digger Thomnson
for quite some time, and also have a background with him highly advise rejecting
him to get him to setup circle someplace else. As long as John Gohde and
anyone else continues to play his games, he won't seek a food supply someplace
else. Digger Thomnson continues to repeat the harassment story he wrote
about me, even though John Gohde directly posted that he *knows he lied*
about it.

--
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chrisv
2021-10-11 16:52:00 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot.
Yes, I know that. Try to tell me things I don't already know.
Post by chrisv
Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?
Why do you stop there? You could put a lot of other words. Or instead,
you could have tried to contradict my argument but it would require you
to use your brain.
How ironic. Anyone with a brain understands my point, that there is
no "best" *anything*.

We already had proof that "Stéphane" is a fscking *liar*. We now also
have proof that he's a fscking *idiot*.
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
learn how to think.
You don't know what it means. You are unable to use your brain, you are
devastated. You are using your guts and probably some drugs, but not the
ones a medic would give you to help your misery.
Look at "Stéphane" lash-out with empty insults, everyone. This is the
best that he can do, apparently.

Shouldn't he have "used his brain" and "contradicted my argument",
like the hypocrite liar _pretends_ that I didn't do? Something more
than his assertion that "there is one" best OS?

As with the "Stéphane" asshole's baseless claim that I actually read
what I claimed to have not, his initial brain-fart might have been
forgivable.

What makes "Stéphane" just another pathetic usenet loser is his
refusal to back down, even when it's clear that he's in the wrong.
--
'You (the lame Linux "community") have always decided on one "best
distro".' - DumFSck, lying shamelessly
Abort Retry Fail
2021-10-11 16:55:37 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
I agree that there is no best OS.
There is one and it's the purpose of this newsgroup.
Idiot.
Yes, I know that. Try to tell me things I don't already know.
Post by chrisv
Is there also a "best" car? A "best" bike? A "best" shirt?
A "best" cheese? A "best" monitor? A "best" camera?
Why do you stop there? You could put a lot of other words. Or instead,
you could have tried to contradict my argument but it would require you
to use your brain.
How ironic. Anyone with a brain understands my point, that there is
no "best" *anything*.
We already had proof that "Stéphane" is a fscking *liar*. We now also
have proof that he's a fscking *idiot*.
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
learn how to think.
You don't know what it means. You are unable to use your brain, you are
devastated. You are using your guts and probably some drugs, but not the
ones a medic would give you to help your misery.
Look at "Stéphane" lash-out with empty insults, everyone. This is the
best that he can do, apparently.
Shouldn't he have "used his brain" and "contradicted my argument",
like the hypocrite liar _pretends_ that I didn't do? Something more
than his assertion that "there is one" best OS?
As with the "Stéphane" asshole's baseless claim that I actually read
what I claimed to have not, his initial brain-fart might have been
forgivable.
What makes "Stéphane" just another pathetic usenet loser is his
refusal to back down, even when it's clear that he's in the wrong.
You appear to have a serious anger management issue.
Get help before it's too late.
--
A_R_F
Abort Retry Fail?
Sector Error #61
chrisv
2021-10-09 13:07:07 UTC
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Post by Helmut Achterberg
People should use what works best for their needs and not attack
those who make different choices.
There is no "best" OS.
Exactly. That's what all reasonable people believe. It's what the
Linux advocates have always maintained.

Of course, there will be some shit-brained trolls who will latch-on to
a couple of ill-considered posts (or snittishly "interpret" a
reasonable post) and claim that the advocates felt that everyone
should be using Linux, but they are ridiculous liars.

For example "Slimer", AKA "RabidHussar", who once claimed that the
advocates would force everyone, by gunpoint, to use Linux. A
shameless *lie*, obviously.
--
"The Linux/OSS community is totally AGAINST freedom of choice - unless
it's the choices they deem acceptable." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly
chrisv
2021-10-09 12:23:55 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy.
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy". A "good
guy" would not call an honest man a liar, with no evidence and only
because he doesn't "believe" a perfectly plausible explanation of
events.

But, obviously, "Slimer" will support anyone who will attack me.
Post by RabidHussar
If you want to attack a ridiculous clown who defends Linux
without reason even when it's shown to be a failure in one respect or
another, go for chrisv.
"Slimer" won't provide an example of me defending Linux "without
reason", of course.

Pretty funny. I've always been reasonable about Linux (and everything
else). It's "Slimer" who is the ridiculous liar who attacks without
reason. Here's an example:

"Only in the Communist world of Linux are people expected to take it
as it is and shut up if there's a problem." - "Slimer"

Here we see Slime openly lying about the world of software Freedom and
choice being "communist". This is a charge he's made more than once,
and is, obviously, 180 degrees from reality.

Then, on top of that, Slime *lies* about people being "expected to
take it as it is and shut up if there's a problem". While it's true
that giving someone money will often get you faster service, Linux
users are *not* "expected to take it as it is and shut up if there's a
problem".

But this is the Slimey liar's upside-down world. The decent people
are the "bad guys", and the ridiculous liars, like himself, are the
"good guys".
DFS
2021-10-09 16:50:29 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy.
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy". A "good
guy" would not call an honest man a liar
An honest man would not call you an honest man.


"I'm 100% honest" - shitv
"I'm honest enough" - shitv
RabidHussar
2021-10-09 17:40:37 UTC
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Post by DFS
Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy.
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".  A "good
guy" would not call an honest man a liar
An honest man would not call you an honest man.
"I'm 100% honest" - shitv
"I'm honest enough" - shitv
I had no idea that the benchmark for whether you were good or not
depended entirely on crapv. Christians, Muslims and Jews the world over
should be alerted that entry to Heaven will only be granted if this
clown likes you.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
chrisv
2021-10-09 18:36:16 UTC
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Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 11:36:58 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy.
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy. I'm a guy with some qualities and
some defaults, like every one else. Depending on my mood I can be more
or less nice, like every one else.

But it really looks like you should look for a medic. You clearly have
mental issue and every time you see my first name you can't avoid
repeating the same things over and over again. You make me repeat myself
with your message.
--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
RabidHussar
2021-10-10 14:08:46 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
Post by RabidHussar
While I enjoyed the post, I'd like to stand up and defend Stéphane. He's
a good guy.
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy. I'm a guy with some qualities and
some defaults, like every one else. Depending on my mood I can be more
or less nice, like every one else.
But it really looks like you should look for a medic.
+1. I would suggest that it look for one who offers a two-for-one
special and provides sterilization services to go with the lobotomy it
deserves.
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
You clearly have
mental issue and every time you see my first name you can't avoid
repeating the same things over and over again. You make me repeat myself
with your message.
Mental illness is repeating the same things over and over and expecting
a different result.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
chrisv
2021-10-10 19:19:21 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy.
You're a fscking asshole, because you maintain that I lied, without
just cause. You just another usenet POS who would rather slander
someone instead of admitting that you fscked-up.

It's not as if I'm some inveterate liar, like "Slimer" or "DFS". They
deserve no "benefit of the doubt". I do.

The fact that "Slimer" supports you should embarrass you.
--
'I imagine that many of the "advocates" here also continue to use
Google products in an exhibition of their ultimate hypocrisy.' -
"Slimer"
pothead
2021-10-10 19:41:41 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy.
You're a fscking asshole, because you maintain that I lied, without
just cause. You just another usenet POS who would rather slander
someone instead of admitting that you fscked-up.
It's not as if I'm some inveterate liar, like "Slimer" or "DFS". They
deserve no "benefit of the doubt". I do.
The fact that "Slimer" supports you should embarrass you.
The fact that "snit" supports *you* should embarrass *you.*
Ouch!
That has to sting.
--
pothead
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Lifetime Member of "The Prescott Parasite Eradication Team"
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chrisv
2021-10-11 11:09:53 UTC
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Post by pothead
That has to sting.
Wrong again.
pothead
2021-10-11 14:27:32 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by pothead
That has to sting.
Wrong again.
Snit is a rabid lefty just like you are and he agrees with your
political posts whether you admit it or not.
--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024
Lifetime Member of "The Prescott Parasite Eradication Team"
Ask snit how he pissed on his cat.
All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:
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chrisv
2021-10-11 15:17:32 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by chrisv
Post by pothead
That has to sting.
Wrong again.
Snit is a rabid lefty just like you are and he agrees with your
political posts whether you admit it or not.
There's right-wing "logic" for you, folks.

Obviously, there are lots of dipshits (and lots of great people) on
both sides of the political spectrum. That's not a "embarrassment" to
anyone, or an endorsement of anyone.

The direct support of an individual, in a personal dispute, is a
completely different matter.

"Slimer" will support a fellow dipshit even when it's clear that the
dipshit *lied* to attack. For example, dipshit RonB's recent charge
that I lied about having him kill-filed. Also DumFSck's countless
*lying* attacks.

Hell, "Slimer" will even support a fellow dipshit regarding a question
of *fact*, where there can be no dispute about the idiocy of the
dipshit he's supporting! See below for an example of that.
--
"If you're going by numerical values alone, DFS is correct [to claim
that 65C is "30 % hotter" than 50C]. Factoring in humidity and such,
he would be wrong.", "Slimer", putting his ignorance on display, as
he defends a dumb fsck who was *clearly* and *indisputably* wrong.
RabidHussar
2021-10-11 20:20:56 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy.
You're a fscking asshole, because you maintain that I lied, without
just cause. You just another usenet POS who would rather slander
someone instead of admitting that you fscked-up.
It's not as if I'm some inveterate liar, like "Slimer" or "DFS". They
deserve no "benefit of the doubt". I do.
The fact that "Slimer" supports you should embarrass you.
The fact that "snit" supports *you* should embarrass *you.*
Ouch!
That has to sting.
Shit and clownv both think alike, that's for sure. Maybe they share wives?
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
chrisv
2021-10-11 11:09:27 UTC
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Post by chrisv
The fact that "Slimer" supports you should embarrass you.
The fact that "snit" supports *you* should embarrass *you.*
How could I be embarrassed by something that I don't know? Please
provide evidence (message ID) of this alleged "support". I'd be
willing to bet that it's nothing like the regular post-humping that we
see from "DFS" and "Slimer".
--
"Meanwhile, people without vision issues don't even believe that
Michelle Obama has a vagina and see her the same way most of us see
Rupaul." - shitty right-winger "Slimer"
RabidHussar
2021-10-11 20:19:45 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by chrisv
No, it's been shown that "Stéphane" he is *not* a "good guy".
I'm neither a good guy nor a bad guy.
You're a fscking asshole
What a charmer.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
DFS
2021-10-11 14:17:47 UTC
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I've always been reasonable about Linux (and everything else) - shitv, lying shamelessly
RabidHussar
2021-10-12 11:55:29 UTC
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I've always been reasonable about Linux (and everything else)   -
shitv, lying shamelessly
ROFL!
--
@RabidHussar
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 11:12:50 UTC
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Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
Yep.
Post by Warthog
It figures.
Yep.
Post by Warthog
Using a slow
No. There is nothing slow with it.
Post by Warthog
as shit text based newsreader program.
Yep, and it's the tip of the iceberg. Every tools I'm using to manage
text are keyboard driven, not mice driven because it's more efficient.
Of course, they need to be learned but I'm able to chose what's worth
learning.
Post by Warthog
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
It will mostly depend on your connection, not on your newsreader. If
really the download part is too slow for your taste, you can always use
a spool to take care of the download before you need it.
Post by Warthog
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
It's fast in slrn, I would only gain a few seconds once every two or
three month. The need to use a mouse to read the messages and write my
replies would make me lost a few minutes every month. The switch would
result in a big lost of time and in a lot of frustration. You should
reconsider your arguments when you try to know what's best for me.
Post by Warthog
I get it that you like living in the past
I'm not living in the past. You are confused because you are not able to
make the difference between improvement and novelty. The new thing is
not always the best. But when it's better, I'm willing to use it.

Look at neovide for example, the third screenshot:
<https://github.com/neovide/neovide>
There are no other text editors with a cursor like that. It may look
just a blinking toy, but it's great when you are moving your cursor.

It's new and I'm using it.
Post by Warthog
with shitty buggy applications and that's typical for a Linux user but
the rest of the world has moved on and at least for a desktop system,
Linux has been ignored except by a few of the faithful who have
somehow convinced themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
At work I'm using Windows, so I can, at the same time, compare how it's
more buggy than Linux and other people who know Windows, Excel, Word and
other shit better than me. And I'm impressed to see how it's inefficient
in the hand of people who tell me it's better. So, they have move toward
facility, not toward efficiency. Every Windows user I can see proves me
I'm right to let the garbage aside.
Post by Warthog
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
I'm not using s super computer, I don't need to follow their choices.
They are using it because the ressources are better managed, I'm using
it because I can adapt it at my needs instead of adapting myself to
Windows needs.
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RonB
2021-10-12 12:28:55 UTC
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Post by Warthog
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-
11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit
that Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better
use Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run
Linux. I read only the beginning and get bored.
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
It figures. Using a slow as shit text based newsreader program.
Try loading 5k posts into slrn and see how long it takes.
Xnews or even Thunderbird does it in the blink of an eye.
I don't load 5k posts. Means nothing to me. Meanwhile I get to use the
superior Jstar editor without all the sidetrips to my mouse.
Post by Warthog
I get it that you like living in the past with shitty buggy
applications and that's typical for a Linux user but the rest of the
world has moved on and at least for a desktop system, Linux has been
ignored except by a few of the faithful who have somehow convinced
themselves of Linux's desktop superiority.
Queue up a reply moving the goal posts to super computers.
I get that you're a vapid WinTroll moron with a big mouth, but your type are
a dime a dozen so I don't really care,

And, no, I don't use a super computer. And, yes, I've been using Linux on
the Desktop exclusively for about 15 years. So, when you get a clue,
reapply, dipshit.
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For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RabidHussar
2021-10-08 23:37:08 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
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Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
Helmut Achterberg
2021-10-08 23:45:10 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
--
"If you don't like Linux,
"you might tick incorrectly"
RabidHussar
2021-10-08 23:53:16 UTC
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Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
I rarely use virtual machines but I have to admit that it's good to use
one if you want to try to use Linux to learn it. What that knowledge
would be good for is anyone's guess though. It's a nice operating system
if you have no need for the latest commercial software though and,
honestly, much more safe to install on your parent's computer than Mac
OS or Windows.
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rbowman
2021-10-09 02:45:11 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
I rarely use virtual machines but I have to admit that it's good to use
one if you want to try to use Linux to learn it. What that knowledge
would be good for is anyone's guess though. It's a nice operating system
if you have no need for the latest commercial software though and,
honestly, much more safe to install on your parent's computer than Mac
OS or Windows.
Bare Metal Rulz! If the box has one NIC that's virtualized somebody is
standing in line waiting to use it. Ditto the drives etc.
RonB
2021-10-12 12:45:27 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
I rarely use virtual machines but I have to admit that it's good to use
one if you want to try to use Linux to learn it. What that knowledge
would be good for is anyone's guess though. It's a nice operating system
if you have no need for the latest commercial software though and,
honestly, much more safe to install on your parent's computer than Mac
OS or Windows.
You don't don't really get a good test of desktop Linux in a virtual
machine. I gave up on traditional virtual machines a long time ago.
--
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For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 11:40:07 UTC
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Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.

Like Edge with Firefox.
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Helmut Achterberg
2021-10-10 13:12:00 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
Like Edge with Firefox.
I think you might be right on this one. Microsoft has long realized
the power of Linux but they have marketing to deal with and need to
gradually accept Linux into the Microsoft ecosystem so as not to
scare their loyal, paying clients.
--
Helmut
"If you don't like Linux, you might tick incorrectly"
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 15:40:52 UTC
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Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
Like Edge with Firefox.
I think you might be right on this one. Microsoft has long realized
the power of Linux but they have marketing to deal with and need to
gradually accept Linux into the Microsoft ecosystem so as not to
scare their loyal, paying clients.
I don't know if I'm right, but it's the only explanation I heard that
makes sense to me.
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rbowman
2021-10-10 18:07:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
Like Edge with Firefox.
I think you might be right on this one. Microsoft has long realized
the power of Linux but they have marketing to deal with and need to
gradually accept Linux into the Microsoft ecosystem so as not to
scare their loyal, paying clients.
I don't know if I'm right, but it's the only explanation I heard that
makes sense to me.
Ballmer was the roadblock for Linux.


https://www.zdnet.com/article/ballmer-i-may-have-called-linux-a-cancer-but-now-i-love-it/

"Yet, as Reuters points out, Microsoft's shares lost 40 percent of their
value during Ballmer's 14-year tenure. They've risen 50 percent under
current chief Nadella, who recently went public on Microsoft's love for
Linux."

If most of the cloud was running Plan 9, including 20% of Azure,
Microsoft would love Plan 9. Nadella is a businessman, not a zealot.
Microsoft has been cutting its losses. They haven't disavowed UWP but
it's no longer the latest greatest thing.

https://github.com/microsoft/WindowsAppSDK/blob/main/docs/README.md#what-is-windows-app-sdk
RabidHussar
2021-10-11 20:17:17 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
Like Edge with Firefox.
I think you might be right on this one. Microsoft has long realized
the power of Linux but they have marketing to deal with and need to
gradually accept Linux into the Microsoft ecosystem so as not to
scare their loyal, paying clients.
I don't know if I'm right, but it's the only explanation I heard that
makes sense to me.
Ballmer was the roadblock for Linux.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ballmer-i-may-have-called-linux-a-cancer-but-now-i-love-it/
"Yet, as Reuters points out, Microsoft's shares lost 40 percent of their
value during Ballmer's 14-year tenure. They've risen 50 percent under
current chief Nadella, who recently went public on Microsoft's love for
Linux."
If most of the cloud was running Plan 9, including 20% of Azure,
Microsoft would love Plan 9. Nadella is a businessman, not a zealot.
Microsoft has been cutting its losses. They haven't disavowed UWP but
it's no longer the latest greatest thing.
https://github.com/microsoft/WindowsAppSDK/blob/main/docs/README.md#what-is-windows-app-sdk
I can't think of any good applications which are UWP.
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rbowman
2021-10-12 01:17:33 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by rbowman
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Le 08-10-2021, Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut
Post by Helmut Achterberg
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
Like Edge with Firefox.
I think you might be right on this one. Microsoft has long realized
the power of Linux but they have marketing to deal with and need to
gradually accept Linux into the Microsoft ecosystem so as not to
scare their loyal, paying clients.
I don't know if I'm right, but it's the only explanation I heard that
makes sense to me.
Ballmer was the roadblock for Linux.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ballmer-i-may-have-called-linux-a-cancer-but-now-i-love-it/
"Yet, as Reuters points out, Microsoft's shares lost 40 percent of
their value during Ballmer's 14-year tenure. They've risen 50 percent
under current chief Nadella, who recently went public on Microsoft's
love for Linux."
If most of the cloud was running Plan 9, including 20% of Azure,
Microsoft would love Plan 9. Nadella is a businessman, not a zealot.
Microsoft has been cutting its losses. They haven't disavowed UWP but
it's no longer the latest greatest thing.
https://github.com/microsoft/WindowsAppSDK/blob/main/docs/README.md#what-is-windows-app-sdk
I can't think of any good applications which are UWP.
I started on one once and it was such a major PITA I dropped it and went
back to .NET. My interest was in the Geolocation API.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/uwp/api/Windows.Devices.Geolocation?view=winrt-22000

Microsoft tries to steer you to the UWP API

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/locationapi/windows-location-api-portal


UWP was another one of those 'If we build it they will come' deals
Windows built it and Nobody came.
rbowman
2021-10-10 17:49:21 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by Helmut Achterberg
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
TBH I don't get it either? VM's have gotten so reliable that you can
run multiple guests under a single host without tweaking anything as
long as you have enough CPU power and memory, and it doesn't take a
lot.
The next step is with Windows 12. A graphical interface to wrap a Linux
Kernel.
That's already implemented. Some of our clients use high availability
systems running Windows Server. Red Hat and KVM live down in the
basement keeping the heat and lights going like an unseen janitor.
rbowman
2021-10-09 02:40:12 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
Now when they port gdb, ElectricFence, and Valgrind to Windows... windbg
isn't in the same league. Purify is a rather expensive license and a
pain in the ass to set up the instrumentation. We had a license for a
while but very few people used it so we dropped it.

At least I found a decent port of less a few months ago.
RonB
2021-10-12 12:43:15 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
Some Windows users use Linux for software development.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RabidHussar
2021-10-12 13:12:53 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Admittedly, it's kind of pointless for Windows to run Linux applications
if those Linux applications are already ported to Windows anyway.
Some Windows users use Linux for software development.
Better text editors, I guess.
--
@RabidHussar
rbowman
2021-10-09 02:33:51 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
WSL2 doesn't do to bad on Win10 and a few months ago they made
installation very easy compared to the former process.
Stéphane CARPENTIER
2021-10-10 13:10:31 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
WSL2 doesn't do to bad on Win10
So what? If I'm using Windows, it's to use Windows and Windows apps. If
the only purpose of Windows is to run Linux through WSL2, I see only a
useless layer between Linux and my computer.
Post by rbowman
and a few months ago they made installation very easy compared to the
former process.
What do you mean by "former process". Around 1995, I installed slackware
and that was difficult. To be able to launch startx took me days, I had
to make two sloppy disk with the bootdisk and the ramdisk. I had to use
the unstable version to be able to use my CD-ROM. I had to compile the
kernel to have something usable. And then, slackware was the easy way
compare to nothing.

So agreed, the former process of installing Linux on a computer was very
difficult and time consuming. But things have change since then. There
are distro tricky to install, but if you want the easy way, there are
popular distro very easy to install. Without the need to use WSL within
Windows to do it.
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RonB
2021-10-12 12:51:46 UTC
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Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by rbowman
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
WSL2 doesn't do to bad on Win10
So what? If I'm using Windows, it's to use Windows and Windows apps. If
the only purpose of Windows is to run Linux through WSL2, I see only a
useless layer between Linux and my computer.
Exactly. That's the way I look at it. Why run Linux under Windows when so
Microsoft can spy on you?
Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER
Post by rbowman
and a few months ago they made installation very easy compared to the
former process.
What do you mean by "former process". Around 1995, I installed slackware
and that was difficult. To be able to launch startx took me days, I had
to make two sloppy disk with the bootdisk and the ramdisk. I had to use
the unstable version to be able to use my CD-ROM. I had to compile the
kernel to have something usable. And then, slackware was the easy way
compare to nothing.
So agreed, the former process of installing Linux on a computer was very
difficult and time consuming. But things have change since then. There
are distro tricky to install, but if you want the easy way, there are
popular distro very easy to install. Without the need to use WSL within
Windows to do it.
On fast hardware my nephew completely installed Linux Mint in 4 minutes. He
did it while I was on the phone. "How's it going?" "It's installed." Can't
get much easier than that.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RonB
2021-10-12 12:23:31 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
Why? If the only improvement on Windows is to be able to better use
Linux, there's nothing good. I don't need Windows to run Linux. I read
only the beginning and get bored.
Exactly. It's Windows 10 with rounded corners and "bugs that need ironed
out." Whoop-dee-do. Meanwhile, big news! — the sun still rises in the east.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
rbowman
2021-10-09 02:32:13 UTC
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Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
Yeah, well when you're running a Ryzen 7 that's a showstopper.
chrisv
2021-10-09 13:11:51 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system.
7 and 10 are decent operating systems.

I'll say that 10 has lasted for longer on my daughter's PC, without
needing to be reinstalled. It's seems to (finally) be fairly secure,
if used appropriately.
--
'It's fashionable for cola weenies here in la-la land to whine that MS
"does everything in its power to fight Linux and open source", but the
reality is the exact opposite, of course.' - DumFSck, lying
shamelessly
RonB
2021-10-12 12:20:57 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
Don't hold your breath. And, surprise, surprise, Microsoft is using their
customers for beta testers again.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RabidHussar
2021-10-12 13:07:22 UTC
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Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
Don't hold your breath. And, surprise, surprise, Microsoft is using their
customers for beta testers again.
Mind you, the ones who were willing to beta-test already subscribed to
be Insiders. Very honestly, 11 is quite nice despite the kinks. It's
pretty, it's smooth and just about everything works as it should even
for something that's just been released.
--
@RabidHussar
RonB
2021-10-12 16:00:20 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by RabidHussar
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
I fear that even the most dedicated Linux advocates will admit that
Windows 11 is a decent operating system. It has a few bugs to iron out,
with AMD notably, but it will end up being much better than anything
they've ever come across in the past.
Don't hold your breath. And, surprise, surprise, Microsoft is using their
customers for beta testers again.
Mind you, the ones who were willing to beta-test already subscribed to
be Insiders. Very honestly, 11 is quite nice despite the kinks. It's
pretty, it's smooth and just about everything works as it should even
for something that's just been released.
You act surprised. :) But don't you use a Ryzen CPU?
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
rbowman
2021-10-09 02:28:18 UTC
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Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
And the worst part of Windows 11 is a potential 15% performance hit on
Ryzen processors. I won't be rushing to upgrade my laptop.
RabidHussar
2021-10-09 12:52:34 UTC
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Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
And the worst part of Windows 11 is a potential 15% performance hit on
Ryzen processors. I won't be rushing to upgrade my laptop.
I'm bothered by the performance hit but not enough to reinstall Windows
10 on my end. Knowing that Microsoft and AMD are deploying a fix by the
end of the month is enough for me. If the fix sucks though, back to
Windows 10 I go.
--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass
RonB
2021-10-12 12:57:39 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
And the worst part of Windows 11 is a potential 15% performance hit on
Ryzen processors. I won't be rushing to upgrade my laptop.
I'm bothered by the performance hit but not enough to reinstall Windows
10 on my end. Knowing that Microsoft and AMD are deploying a fix by the
end of the month is enough for me. If the fix sucks though, back to
Windows 10 I go.
That's Windows. When they finally issue the "fix," they'll have to fix
something the fix breaks. And here we again, back into beta testing mode.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
RonB
2021-10-12 12:54:44 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Joel
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/the-best-part-of-windows-11-is-a-revamped-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
And the worst part of Windows 11 is a potential 15% performance hit on
Ryzen processors. I won't be rushing to upgrade my laptop.
How do they end up screwing up this bad? It's just amazing.
--
Imagine a vaccine so "safe" you have to be threatened to take it...
For a disease so "deadly" you have to be tested to know you have it.

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."
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