Kook RonB has it backwards again

[chrisv]

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".

Meanwhile, the surge in cases is almost all amoung the _unvaccinated_.

Obviously, kook RonB and his paranoia are being proven WRONG, and he
wants to avoid admitting that.

[Snit]

Post by chrisv

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".
Meanwhile, the surge in cases is almost all amoung the _unvaccinated_.
Obviously, kook RonB and his paranoia are being proven WRONG, and he
wants to avoid admitting that.

RonB is proudly ignorant -- on this and other topics. I do not get it.

[rbowman]

Post by chrisv

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".

Breakthrough infections are 'rare'.
Vaccinated people spreading the virus are 'rare'.
People dying shortly after being vaccinated are 'rare'.

The only thing that isn't rare is bullshit.

[SilverSlimer]

Post by rbowman

Post by chrisv

 “Information on the delta variant from several states and other
countries
 indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected
with the
 delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the
virus to
 others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
 recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
 warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".

Breakthrough infections are 'rare'.
Vaccinated people spreading the virus are 'rare'.
People dying shortly after being vaccinated are 'rare'.
The only thing that isn't rare is bullshit.

useful_idiotv not making a total ass of himself on a daily basis is also
rare.

[RonB]

Post by SilverSlimer

Post by rbowman

Post by chrisv

 “Information on the delta variant from several states and other
countries
 indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected
with the
 delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the
virus to
 others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
 recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
 warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".

Breakthrough infections are 'rare'.
Vaccinated people spreading the virus are 'rare'.
People dying shortly after being vaccinated are 'rare'.
The only thing that isn't rare is bullshit.

useful_idiotv not making a total ass of himself on a daily basis is also
rare.

chrisv is no longer capable of thinking for himself. He just regurgitates
whatever the liars at the CDC (bought and paid for by Big Pharma) spew. It
never occurs to him that they spew the opposite today from what they spewed
yesterday. That's alright, chrisv, just put your brain in neutral and "go
with the flow." Kind of like the deer so many hunters feed all year round in
Texas — then they walk up to them and shoot them in the head on the first
day of hunting season. And they call that "hunting." The satanic communists
have chrisv, "Snit/Joel", "-hh" and the rest of the unthinkers guzzling from
the trough — when "hunting season" comes they'll never know what hit them.
Gullibility has its benefits I guess. When you're stupid enough to buy into
the Main Stream Media BS hook, line and sinker, you don't have to worry
about anything.

[-hh]

Post by rbowman

Post by chrisv

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".

Breakthrough infections are 'rare'.
Vaccinated people spreading the virus are 'rare'.
People dying shortly after being vaccinated are 'rare'.
The only thing that isn't rare is bullshit.

And I noted the word "rare." Unfortunately a half million people with
adverse reactions serious enough to report on VAERS is NOT that rare.

Are there actually a half million people in VAERS with CoVid vaccine reports?

Because the last time I checked (earlier this week), there were ~380K total
reported *symptoms* in VAERS... and because reports typically contain
more than just one symptom, this means that there must be fewer than
~380K reports...and thus, fewer than that many actual *people*.

So just how many individuals have been reported in VAERS? I'd bet $100
that its well under 380K for CoVid vaccines...and far fewer that are actually
categorized as "serious".

Furthermore, "big math" applies, even if RonB's claim of ~0.5M people
allegedly been affected at some level was true, because there's been
over 300M vaccines distributed to date, which means that the observed
rate of (allegedly) reported adverse event of just 0.5M/330M = 0.15%

I've also noted that the liars claim that it's rare that the "vaccinated"
(so-called) spread the delta variant, but (as usual) they provide no
statistics (in other words, they lie their teeth).

Nope. Everyone who gets sick has a probability of being infectious to
others for some period of time while they're sick.

If you're trying to differentiate vaccinated vs unvaccinated, a vaccinated
individual is generally the *lower* risk, because vaccinations make that
population be *less* sick overall, so they're subsequently *less* infectious
and for a *shorter* period overall versus the unvaccinated population.
For the question of just how much less, there's already data on reduced
severity and recovery times, but you're asking for that data to be combined
with Rt metrics to be presented in those terms.


-hh

[-hh]

[...]

Nope. Everyone who gets sick has a probability of being infectious to
others for some period of time while they're sick.
If you're trying to differentiate vaccinated vs unvaccinated, a vaccinated
individual is generally the *lower* risk, because vaccinations make that
population be *less* sick overall, so they're subsequently *less* infectious
and for a *shorter* period overall versus the unvaccinated population.
For the question of just how much less, there's already data on reduced
severity and recovery times, but you're asking for that data to be combined
with Rt metrics to be presented in those terms.

This looks like a longer & more detailed description of what I posted above:

<https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1421486198040809478>

And it has some graphs to help visually explain it too.


-hh

[-hh]

Now it comes out that the reason the CDC has suggested masks for the
"vaccinated" is that they spread the Delta variant at "higher levels" than
the unvaccinated.

That's incorrect. You either read that wrong...

USA Today even printed as much (then later deleted the
paragraph).

..or the paragraph was written incorrectly, and the error is being carried
forward in your 'zerohedge' derivative, which has yet to be corrected.

TL;DR summary: research has found that the Delta's viral load in the
sinuses is ~1000x higher than the CoVid baseline.

This was found in pediatric patients -- i.e., KIDS WHO CAN'T GET THE VACCINE.

“CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant,
which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S.,
behaves ‘uniquely differently’ from its predecessors and could make
vaccinated people infectious,” the article notes.

TL;DR: contraction is always a statistical probability event based on exposure,
so Delta's being more infectious makes an infection more likely, which is why
there's been "break-through" infections amongst the vaccinated.

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance ...

Yes, because vaccines never provide total & immediate immunity, but rather
just minimizes one's duration & severity of being infectious. In the case of
Delta, the high level average estimate is that it is ~1.8x more infectious than
baseline, which means that a person is ~1.8x more likely to contract it from
an exposure duration of the baseline.

The alternatives to bring ~1.8x back down to 1 would be to reduce transmissibility
probabilities, such as by shorting exposure durations (by half ... ie 1/1.8 = 55%),
increase social distancing, go back to wearing PPE, etc .. plus combinations thereof.

The rest of the public has been doing this for a year; it isn't Rocket Science.

... which reverses a CDC recommendation in May.

False: it *revises* current CDC recommendations based on new data from the
new Delta variant.

Nice that "Federal health offcials still believe..." that this is rare, but
belief is not science. The numbers suggest otherwise.

Over 99% of hospitalizations & deaths are of unvaccinated, which makes
the 1% of vaccinated pretty damn rare, eh?

And why would the
"vaccinated" carry "higher levels" of the virus then the unvaccinated?

They don't: that's what the article got wrong and why they deleted it.
Too bad <zerohedge> hasn't corrected their reporting.
-hh

[chrisv]

Post by chrisv

“Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries
indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the
delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to
others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC
recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately
warrants an update to our recommendation.”

Note the word "rare".
Meanwhile, the surge in cases is almost all amoung the _unvaccinated_.
Obviously, kook RonB and his paranoia are being proven WRONG, and he
wants to avoid admitting that.

All RonB posts in this thread are being deleted, unread. I've had
about enough of that shitty bastard.

That evil POS, and those like him, are killing people.