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[Sam Plusnet]

Help?

No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that

"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]

and

"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]

The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."

A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.

Anyone else in this situation?

Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone. If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.

Thanks Serena.

I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...

It decided to work!

Isn't umra wonderful.

Three's app used to allow one to make & receive both texts and calls via
wifi.

They now offer "Wifi Calling" which does the same thing, however:

A) You have to buy a phone from Three, at the price they set. An
identical phone bought elsewhere will not do Wifi calling.

B) I am told you have to be a "Pay Monthly" customer, it's not available
to PAYG customers - even if you bought the phone from them.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in
the standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the
three dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for
"Messages for Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you
the instructions for how to set it up.

Thanks Serena.
I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...
It decided to work!
Isn't umra wonderful.

Ah!

I've just spotted the snag in this.

Google 'Messages for Web' enables the sharing of messages between phone
and computer.
However, in order to receive a text it has to get to my phone in the
first place
and that, Dear Reader, is my problem.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Google 'Messages for Web' enables the sharing of messages between phone
and computer.
However, in order to receive a text it has to get to my phone in the
first place
and that, Dear Reader, is my problem.

Nugger!

Oh well, it was a nice thought while it lasted...

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Three's app used to allow one to make & receive both texts and calls via
wifi.
A)  You have to buy a phone from Three, at the price they set.  An
identical phone bought elsewhere will not do Wifi calling.
B) I am told you have to be a "Pay Monthly" customer, it's not available
to PAYG customers - even if you bought the phone from them.

That's a shame. I remember the old version of the app, from when I had
a phone on Three. The fact it's no longer available for PAYG customers
is another reason not to go back to them.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in
the standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the
three dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for
"Messages for Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you
the instructions for how to set it up.

Thanks Serena.
I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...
It decided to work!
Isn't umra wonderful.

Isn't it, indeed?! I've just send my daughter a text using my PC!

[krw]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.

Well I have an Android phone and cannot see that option.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by krw
Well I have an Android phone and cannot see that option.

Seeing we're in an Ask EU thread and mentioning Android phobiles, may I
be forgiven a swerve? If not, look away now!

I am about to renew my contract with Vodafone and have narrowed down my
choice of upgrade to either a Huawei (1) P20 Lite or a Samsung Galaxy
A20e. With the thousands of models available now, it's quite likely
that norat has experience of either (and very likely re both) but in
general terms, would Umra favour a Samsung over a Huawei? The
possibility of Huawei losing access to Google again is a bit
off-putting, but that model has the superior camera which is a plus point.

(1) Or should that be "an Huawei"?

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?

I don't actually have your problem because I got fed up, long ago, with
having to go outside every time I wanted to use my phobile, and
installed Vodafone Sure Signal. I rather resented having to pay extra
to get a service I considered I was already paying for, but I got it on
a half-price offer and it works.

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?

I don't actually have your problem because I got fed up, long ago, with
having to go outside every time I wanted to use my phobile, and
installed Vodafone Sure Signal. I rather resented having to pay extra
to get a service I considered I was already paying for, but I got it on
a half-price offer and it works.

I have noticed several of our neighbours ‘step outside’ to use their
fobiles; though our Virgin/EE and whatever else is in the ‘group of joint
tower usage’ uses, does vary from just usable to strong with little or no
moving around, I have never experienced ‘no signal’ anywhere in Toodleville
or its’ environs - not yet anyway.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mike
I have noticed several of our neighbours ‘step outside’ to use their
fobiles; though our Virgin/EE and whatever else is in the ‘group of joint
tower usage’ uses, does vary from just usable to strong with little or no
moving around, I have never experienced ‘no signal’ anywhere in Toodleville
or its’ environs - not yet anyway.

Here in the Welsh Valleys we suffer from geography.
To get reliable coverage into every dip and fold of the landscape would
need lots & lots of extra towers, and no-one would spend the money to do
it.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@brightview.co.uk>, Sam
Plusnet <***@home.com> writes:
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Here in the Welsh Valleys we suffer from geography.
To get reliable coverage into every dip and fold of the landscape would
need lots & lots of extra towers, and no-one would spend the money to
do it.

And were someone to do so, there'd be objections to the towers.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

Me. I do have a mobile but am not keen on this use of it. I’d rather do it
via email than text. I don’t use a smartphone though I’m happy with
contactless, at least I don’t want to. I certainly don’t want to be
reliant on the husband! Means I can’t go anywhere without him for a
start!!

I don’t think we’ve had the relevant letters but I know Money Box has
covered the subject.

Sincerely Chris

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

Me. I do have a mobile but am not keen on this use of it. I’d rather do it
via email than text. I don’t use a smartphone though I’m happy with
contactless, at least I don’t want to. I certainly don’t want to be
reliant on the husband! Means I can’t go anywhere without him for a
start!!
I don’t think we’ve had the relevant letters but I know Money Box has
covered the subject.

I have a Co-op credit card which I use only for on-line transactions.
When they sent me a letter about this they implied that they might offer
email instead of text for some purposes.
However they later stated that, for credit card on-line purchases, they
would only allow the use of text messages.

[SODAM]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

I used to be with EE but could not get reception when staying with my
daughter, near Reading, nor when I went to a village twelve miles from home
where I do a lot of socialising. Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

[Min]

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT

Sincerely Chris

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

[Mike]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

[Mike]

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?

[BrritSki]

Post by Mike

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?

You think they haven't already ? ROFL

[Mike]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Mike

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?

You think they haven't already ? ROFL

Well, I don’t willingly feed them my information but am under no illusions
that they don’t extract it at any and every possible opportunity -
knowledge is power and all that.

[BrritSki]

Post by Mike

Post by BrritSki

Post by Mike

Post by Mike

Post by Mike
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and

iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?

You think they haven't already ? ROFL

Well, I don’t willingly feed them my information but am under no illusions
that they don’t extract it at any and every possible opportunity -
knowledge is power and all that.

And yet you've drunk the Apple kool-aid !

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mike

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?

Well quite.

As this thread started because banks and credit card companies are
supposed to be _improving_ security by adopting Two Factor
Authentication, it should only be expected that it would result in many
people having to hand over all their data to a third party - only to
have it stolen in the next data breach scandal.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I haven't any iphone/tablet things. The rest of the family do and
friends too and keep trying to contact me on them but I just skype. No
aps really except the WW one to check points of food.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Mike

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris

I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.

As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.

I haven't any iphone/tablet things. The rest of the family do and
friends too and keep trying to contact me on them but I just skype. No
aps really except the WW one to check points of food.

Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other day
it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.

I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <3oadnR-***@brightview.co.uk>, Sam
Plusnet <***@home.com> writes:
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other day
it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?

Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).

Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.

[Anne B]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?

Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.

I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.

Anne B

[Flop]

Post by Anne B

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?

Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.

I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.
Anne B

Apps. Your phone will have a lot of apps just to run the phone. Eg there
will be an app to tell you haw many apps you have.

-

Running or loading programs often leaves debris behind "in case it is
needed".

So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

[Mike]

Post by Flop

Post by Anne B

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?

Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.

I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.
Anne B

Apps. Your phone will have a lot of apps just to run the phone. Eg there
will be an app to tell you haw many apps you have.
-
Running or loading programs often leaves debris behind "in case it is
needed".
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

And of course, there is an app. to remove apps. (Or more likely just hide
them really).

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

[Mike]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job. We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing. We
were not amused.

[krw]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job.  We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing.  We
were not amused.

Surely offices are paperless and there is nothing to file?

[Mike]

Post by krw

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job.  We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing.  We
were not amused.

Surely offices are paperless and there is nothing to file?

Only the bars to the exit.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by krw

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job.  We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing.  We
were not amused.

Surely offices are paperless and there is nothing to file?

LOL!

Sincerely Chris

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by krw

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

These days, interns do the job.

One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she
wanted a holiday job.  We set her on filing, but she didn't like it
and complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing.
We were not amused.

Surely offices are paperless and there is nothing to file?

I have this cheap, safe, fusion reactor to sell you. Limitless power,
too cheap to meter.

[SODAM]

Post by Jenny M Benson
One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job. We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing. We
were not amused.

I’m in a glass house throwing stones here, because my uncle invented me an
after-school job in his office. At first I was a hindrance because I had to
add up columns of figures and, for a while, they were always wrong. After
practice, I improved and became somewhat of use.
He paid me by depositing my weekly pound into a Post Office savings account
and when I wanted money for some project, I’d ask him for my book, withdraw
what I needed then gave the book back. I’m sure this was just a method of
giving me some cash because I had stayed on at school, where he wanted me
to remain. Heaven knows what the middle-aged men, who otherwise comprised
the staff, thought of me, especially during my useless time.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Jenny M Benson
One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job. We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing. We
were not amused.

I have told this tale before, but some years ago I was allocated
a youngster on YTS (so actually being paid) to do clerical work.
She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other departments,
and I think I was a last resort.

We will draw a veil over her complete failure to accept that, in
her position, she was generally expected to do what was asked of
her, when, and in the manner, instructed. Discussion was fine,
but somehow the outcome was never taken on board. There seemed to
be a curious misconception that I would not notice what was, or
was not, happening.

She was doing an NVQ, and each week had various sheets to
complete, which I had to countersign. One week the subject was
use of the telephone. She duly completed her log, and presented
it for authorisation. She had the brass neck to declare, for all
to see, that at least 40% of the calls she had made were
personal. I suggested that maybe she might like to present
matters in what, to me, would seem a more favourable light, but
she could see no problem. I signed as requested.

Her training supervisor also despaired of her. I cannot recall
if she ever got her qualification, she certainly wasn't offered a
job.

Chris

[Mike]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Jenny M Benson
One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job. We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing. We
were not amused.

I have told this tale before, but some years ago I was allocated
a youngster on YTS (so actually being paid) to do clerical work.
She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other departments,
and I think I was a last resort.
We will draw a veil over her complete failure to accept that, in
her position, she was generally expected to do what was asked of
her, when, and in the manner, instructed. Discussion was fine,
but somehow the outcome was never taken on board. There seemed to
be a curious misconception that I would not notice what was, or
was not, happening.
She was doing an NVQ, and each week had various sheets to
complete, which I had to countersign. One week the subject was
use of the telephone. She duly completed her log, and presented
it for authorisation. She had the brass neck to declare, for all
to see, that at least 40% of the calls she had made were
personal. I suggested that maybe she might like to present
matters in what, to me, would seem a more favourable light, but
she could see no problem. I signed as requested.
Her training supervisor also despaired of her. I cannot recall
if she ever got her qualification, she certainly wasn't offered a
job.
Chris

Aren’t the ‘incapable’ promoted up to a certain level of incompetence
commensurate with their incapability so that the ‘capable and hard working’
support them adequately in everyone else’s ignorance?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mike
Aren’t the ‘incapable’ promoted up to a certain level of incompetence
commensurate with their incapability so that the ‘capable and hard working’
support them adequately in everyone else’s ignorance?

If you have an employee who is capable, efficient and competent in
handling a wide range of difficult tasks, the last thing you would want
to do is promote them out of the job which they do so well.

[Fenny]

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[Mike]

Post by Fenny

Post by Chris J Dixon
We will draw a veil over her complete failure to accept that, in
her position, she was generally expected to do what was asked of
her, when, and in the manner, instructed. Discussion was fine,
but somehow the outcome was never taken on board. There seemed to
be a curious misconception that I would not notice what was, or
was not, happening.

When I worked at the college, we had one of the degree students come
into our office to do work experience. I suspect the reason that he
was working in one of the college offices was that he wasn't able to
find any other sucker^W local business to take him for 3 weeks.
Our admininstrator had a pile of certificates to be sent out to
students, so gave him a pile of A4 size envelopes and an address list
and asked him to address the envelopes. He wrote the addresses in the
bottom left hand corner of the envelopes. When this was noticed after
the first few, someone pointed out that he needed to write the address
in the middle and it would probably help if he also put the relevant
name on at the same time, so we would know which envelope he would
need to put the certificates in.
He said this was not the way it should be done and carried on as
before.
It took him a day to write the address on 30 envelopes. When he was
then given the pile of certificates to put in the envelopes he said he
couldn't do that because he didn't know which belonged together.
By the end of the second day, we were trying to think of jobs that he
couldn't cock up.
At the end of the third day, our administrator rang the HE
administrator and told her that if she wanted this lad to to complete
his work experience, she would have to have him in her office as we
didn't have the time or the patience to deal with him any more.
If any of my apprentices had been so hopeless, I'd have been
embarrassed to have palmed them off on any company.

We had some good-uns over the years; one I recall was only ever with us for
15-20 at a time then ‘out’ for an hour or more at a time. The lad had to
attend his religious needs on most of the occasions but also had
appointments with dentist, doctor or therapist etc. we ‘saw’ him for
perhaps an hour total in a day - not that he was able to learn/do anything
useful in that total time.

[Anne B]

Post by Mike

Post by Fenny

Post by Chris J Dixon
We will draw a veil over her complete failure to accept that, in
her position, she was generally expected to do what was asked of
her, when, and in the manner, instructed. Discussion was fine,
but somehow the outcome was never taken on board. There seemed to
be a curious misconception that I would not notice what was, or
was not, happening.

When I worked at the college, we had one of the degree students come
into our office to do work experience. I suspect the reason that he
was working in one of the college offices was that he wasn't able to
find any other sucker^W local business to take him for 3 weeks.
Our admininstrator had a pile of certificates to be sent out to
students, so gave him a pile of A4 size envelopes and an address list
and asked him to address the envelopes. He wrote the addresses in the
bottom left hand corner of the envelopes. When this was noticed after
the first few, someone pointed out that he needed to write the address
in the middle and it would probably help if he also put the relevant
name on at the same time, so we would know which envelope he would
need to put the certificates in.
He said this was not the way it should be done and carried on as
before.
It took him a day to write the address on 30 envelopes. When he was
then given the pile of certificates to put in the envelopes he said he
couldn't do that because he didn't know which belonged together.
By the end of the second day, we were trying to think of jobs that he
couldn't cock up.
At the end of the third day, our administrator rang the HE
administrator and told her that if she wanted this lad to to complete
his work experience, she would have to have him in her office as we
didn't have the time or the patience to deal with him any more.
If any of my apprentices had been so hopeless, I'd have been
embarrassed to have palmed them off on any company.

We had some good-uns over the years; one I recall was only ever with us for
15-20 at a time then ‘out’ for an hour or more at a time. The lad had to
attend his religious needs on most of the occasions but also had
appointments with dentist, doctor or therapist etc. we ‘saw’ him for
perhaps an hour total in a day - not that he was able to learn/do anything
useful in that total time.

I had one who was incapable of understanding when I told her that once
she had finished doing whatever it was I had just given her to do, she
was to come and tell me so that I could find her something else to do. I
regularly found her staring in apparent fascination at the blank wall
and when I asked her why she wasn't doing anything she always said that
she had finished the task. I did ask her once if she was bored but she
didn't seem to understand that either.

Anne B

[Joe Kerr]

Post by Anne B
I had one who was incapable of understanding when I told her that once
she had finished doing whatever it was I had just given her to do, she
was to come and tell me so that I could find her something else to do. I
regularly found her staring in apparent fascination at the blank wall
and when I asked her why she wasn't doing anything she always said that
she had finished the task. I did ask her once if she was bored but she
didn't seem to understand that either.
Anne B

I had a trainee at one time. He would come in in the morning and talk to
me about trivialities all day. After about a month of trying to do my
job, get him to shut up, and persuade him to do his job I gave up. I'm a
slow learner. I had a word with his manager. His manager called him in
and asked what the problem was and whether he wanted the job. He said
he'd rather be on the dole in the pub with his mates. He was escorted
from the premises.

Rather a waste of the preceding three months training courses.

[Penny]

This thread has reminded me of my own work experience from college. I spent
4 weeks in July/August in an office in London where they produced two
monthly magazines. I spent two weeks learning what the job entailed and two
weeks doing it as holiday cover for the woman who trained me. No one else
in the place knew how to do the job. It was a bit scary - not least the
commute from Bishops Stortford. The terrible heat and crush on the tube,
the fear of sleeping past my stop and ending up in Cambridge on my way
home. The boss told me if the threatened rail strike happened he would
expect me to drive in on my Honda 50* - an even scarier prospect which
fortunately did not occur.

I don't recall any major problems though, so she must have taught me well
and I thoroughly enjoyed the lunch hours, finding new, interesting places
to eat in Baker Street, Marylebone Road and Edgware Road.

I returned for a couple of weeks over the Christmas break to help out with
production of the annual review. I do recall a couple of problems from that
time. I managed to put the wrong year on the front of the January edition
(can't recall if it went to press like that) and Marina Vaizey (art critic)
shouted at me - probably for the inadequate way I'd taken a telephone
message for her, no one had told me how to do that, it wasn't part of my
job :(

*He knew I had this because on the day we went to the printers in
Colchester to do final subediting to make sure everything fitted in nicely,
I'd driven over and met the designer there.

[Penny]

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:20:27 +0100, Chris J Dixon <***@cdixon.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon
I have told this tale before, but some years ago I was allocated
a youngster on YTS (so actually being paid) to do clerical work.
She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other departments,
and I think I was a last resort.

We had a work experience lad in the print works back in 1977. He liked to
draw pictures of trains - not much call for that in our business. At any
time when he thought he had finished the task he'd been given or thought he
could get away with it he would draw trains.

He was keen to do artwork so was taught how to use Letraset and given the
job of setting the heading for a flier for a customer who was having a
Jubilee sale. Several hours later he presented the result which read
"Gubilee Sale".

A few years later when the scheme started we had a YTS lad who moaned a
lot. He moaned when asked to walk across the yard to fill the kettle (no
water supply in our unit). He moaned when asked to make the tea.
He particularly hated cleaning down the printing machines and brought in
his own rubber gloves for the task (required by H&S these days but the
other lads laughed at him about it then).

[Mike]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Chris J Dixon
I have told this tale before, but some years ago I was allocated
a youngster on YTS (so actually being paid) to do clerical work.
She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other departments,
and I think I was a last resort.

We had a work experience lad in the print works back in 1977. He liked to
draw pictures of trains - not much call for that in our business. At any
time when he thought he had finished the task he'd been given or thought he
could get away with it he would draw trains.
He was keen to do artwork so was taught how to use Letraset and given the
job of setting the heading for a flier for a customer who was having a
Jubilee sale. Several hours later he presented the result which read
"Gubilee Sale".
A few years later when the scheme started we had a YTS lad who moaned a
lot. He moaned when asked to walk across the yard to fill the kettle (no
water supply in our unit). He moaned when asked to make the tea.
He particularly hated cleaning down the printing machines and brought in
his own rubber gloves for the task (required by H&S these days but the
other lads laughed at him about it then).

Your WE lad would have done better in a YTS then?

[Nick Odell]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Jenny M Benson
One place I worked the boss inflicted his daughter on us when she wanted
a holiday job. We set her on filing, but she didn't like it and
complained to Daddy who told us she mustn't be made to do filing. We
were not amused.

I have told this tale before, but some years ago I was allocated
a youngster on YTS (so actually being paid) to do clerical work.
She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other departments,
and I think I was a last resort.
We will draw a veil over her complete failure to accept that, in
her position, she was generally expected to do what was asked of
her, when, and in the manner, instructed. Discussion was fine,
but somehow the outcome was never taken on board. There seemed to
be a curious misconception that I would not notice what was, or
was not, happening.
She was doing an NVQ, and each week had various sheets to
complete, which I had to countersign. One week the subject was
use of the telephone. She duly completed her log, and presented
it for authorisation. She had the brass neck to declare, for all
to see, that at least 40% of the calls she had made were
personal. I suggested that maybe she might like to present
matters in what, to me, would seem a more favourable light, but
she could see no problem. I signed as requested.
Her training supervisor also despaired of her. I cannot recall
if she ever got her qualification, she certainly wasn't offered a
job.

There's a probably apocryphal story of an insurance company that
suddenly became unable to find any of its customer's files. The new
filing clerk had inserted all the documents under the first letter "M"
for Mr, Mrs, Miss...

Nick

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

And the typing!! :). We had a few when I wuz a typist.

Sincerely Chris

[Mike]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Flop
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.

I remember the days when offices employed temps to do the filing.

And the typing!! :). We had a few when I wuz a typist.
Sincerely Chris

Don’t forget the synchronised pinging and carriage returns!

[Nick Odell]

Post by Min

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.

Never mind the name or the potential charges: I eschew it because,
whilst it may or may not offer secure communication with the rest of the
world, the one thing it's certainly not secure from is the platform
itself. I don't do Facebook and a whole lot of other stuff for similar
reasons. Further, I don't trust a smartphone with anything resembling a
password and wouldn't dream of using one for something as sensitive as
banking or payments.

Nick

[Fenny]

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

[Dumrat]

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

[Mike]

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

[Mike]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us,
in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she
calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to
her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I
hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no
communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

Ah! Light Dawns!

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by Mike

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Post by Mike

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Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some

[]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

Ah! Light Dawns!

I did work it out - but I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds " "
makes me think of that!

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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[]

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Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some

[]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

Ah! Light Dawns!

I did work it out - but I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds " "
makes me think of that!

Dratted spell checker ... I had "VPx". My 'checker substitutes blank for
things it has no suggestion for, if I just accidentally click (or more
likely space) through.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us,
in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she
calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to
her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I
hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no
communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

Rotflmao!

Sincerely Chris

[Mike]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us,
in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she
calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to
her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I
hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no
communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Still whoosh!

Sometimes known as Virtual private network

Rotflmao!
Sincerely Chris

Ooooh! I can see your VPN!

[Dumrat]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

(*And*  we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.)

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Thank you for the translation, Jenny, I knew there was something wrong but just couldn't
correct it properly!

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Dumrat

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike

(*And*  we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we
can connect to the
outside world from here.)

‘Visible Panty Line’ ???

I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!

Thank you for the translation, Jenny, I knew there was something wrong
but just couldn't correct it properly!

Glad we got to the bottom of...

<It's the blue cagoule with the cat-chewed toggles>

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

My kids mostly ignore my emails and texts unless #1 daughter is
disucssing my childminding or #2 relents and sends pictures.

[Penny]

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:58:18 +0100, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Dumrat

Post by Fenny

Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.

And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!

My kids mostly ignore my emails and texts unless #1 daughter is
disucssing my childminding or #2 relents and sends pictures.

Mine use Facebook messenger where we communicate as a group or individually
depending on the subject. It works pretty well since they are both almost
constantly attached to their phobiles and I am seldom far from my 'puter.
We do occasionally communicate by phone - with d#1 usually phoning me as
she walks to or from work, or nurses her little one.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@4ax.com>, Penny
<***@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes:
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Post by Dumrat
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.

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Post by Dumrat
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,

Does she mean it costs _her_ so much, or is she worried about what it's
costing _you_? If the former, I find it difficult to believe there isn't
_some_ tariff available that allows someone here to _receive_ calls from
Dubai without great expense.
[]

Post by Penny
We do occasionally communicate by phone - with d#1 usually phoning me as
she walks to or from work, or nurses her little one.

Is there an app for that ... (-:

[Mike]

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[Dumrat]

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It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.

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Post by Dumrat
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,

Does she mean it costs _her_ so much, or is she worried about what it's costing _you_? If
the former, I find it difficult to believe there isn't _some_ tariff available that allows
someone here to _receive_ calls from Dubai without great expense.

Given that she is an impecunious* student and unpaid helper of asylum seekers at the
moment, it's our money whichever way you look at it, which makes her attitude all the more
incomprehensible to us! But I think she has a wifi/data plan rather than a call plan with
her phone, so she uses it for anything internetty, which includes wifi calling, via WA
(and Skype when she could get it to work), but she will not actually make phone calls to
other phone numbers, whether to England or elsewhere. I'm so used to her only
lackadaisically messaging me on WA from time to time that her occasional WA phone calls
fill me with fear that there is something wrong, as she only seems to call when she needs
emotional, practical, or financial support! She calls her father when something goes wrong
with her car on the odd occasion she is using one!

*it is so long since I have had occasion to use that word with people who I know will
understand it, I am taking great pleasure in looking at it here!

[BrritSki]

Given that she is an impecunious* student ...
*it is so long since I have had occasion to use that word with people
who I know will understand it, I am taking great pleasure in looking at
it here!

It'll be indigent next, mark my words...

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by BrritSki

Given that she is an impecunious* student ...
*it is so long since I have had occasion to use that word with people
who I know will understand it, I am taking great pleasure in looking
at it here!

It'll be indigent next, mark my words...

Not ipecacuana?

[Joe Kerr]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

I haven't bothered to read the emails from the banks yet. However, as I
understand it the lack of a mobile (signal) can be circumvented by the
bank calling you on your landline (which has limitations) or by
installing the bank's app on your smartphone (which seems like a bit of
a security risk).

BT has an app for calls over wifi. Three may have dropped theirs because
I think (I use the term loosely) that the ability is built in to the
latest version of android, or something of that nature, and a separate
app is not needed.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Joe Kerr

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the
garden, or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or
so) and hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone
whilst 13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I haven't bothered to read the emails from the banks yet. However, as I
understand it the lack of a mobile (signal) can be circumvented by the
bank calling you on your landline (which has limitations) or by
installing the bank's app on your smartphone (which seems like a bit of
a security risk).
BT has an app for calls over wifi. Three may have dropped theirs because
I think (I use the term loosely) that the ability is built in to the
latest version of android, or something of that nature, and a separate
app is not needed.

That is indeed what Three said, but there's rather more to it.

"Wifi Calling" is built into later versions of android, but there seems
to be an agreement between google and phone networks that the switch
which turns it on is hidden - except on phones sold by the network.

Even if you had such a phone, and you could turn Wifi Calling on, your
network chooses which customers can make (& receive) such calls.

If I understand what Three have told me, I would have to buy a suitable
phone from them AND take out a monthly contract before I can use this
facility which used to be freely available.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
go at getting a sensible answer out of them:

<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the fobile
turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For normal card
use in shops etc., I understand contactless will continue, though you'll
be asked for PIN some combination of every five uses and every 100 or
150 pounds total.

Post by Serena Blanchflower
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-
code-use-card-online-year.html>

Thanks, interesting article.

I wonder what they'll do for a customer whose fobile number and email
they do not have, and who has not responded to any of their letters, the
first time they need authentication? They can't send them a text or
email ...

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to  do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the fobile
turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For normal card
use in shops etc., I understand contactless will continue, though you'll
be asked for PIN some combination of every five uses and every 100 or
150 pounds total.

Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for cardholder
not present transactions, only text - which is where the problem comes in.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Serena Blanchflower
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available.  It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-
code-use-card-online-year.html>

Thanks, interesting article.

Agreed, but what I've so far managed to get from the financial
institutions that I deal with is rather less user friendly.
We shall find out in September.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I wonder what they'll do for a customer whose fobile number and email
they do not have, and who has not responded to any of their letters, the
first time they need authentication? They can't send them a text or
email ...

In that case the transaction will not go through. That leaves the ball
in the customer's court.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the
fobile turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For
normal card use in shops etc., I understand contactless will
continue, though you'll be asked for PIN some combination of every
five uses and every 100 or 150 pounds total.

Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for
cardholder not present transactions, only text - which is where the
problem comes in.

Sounds like a valid reason to change provider. Mine's co-op Visa for
credit, and First Direct for debit; I can only remember getting - and
dealing with - one communication; I hope it was the credit card, as I
don't remember ever using the debit card!
[]

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Sam Plusnet

 I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the
fobile  turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For
normal card  use in shops etc., I understand contactless will
continue, though you'll  be asked for PIN some combination of every
five uses and every 100 or  150 pounds total.

Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for
cardholder not present transactions, only text - which is where the
problem comes in.

Sounds like a valid reason to change provider. Mine's co-op Visa for
credit,

<snip>

Care to guess which credit card company I've been dealing with?

However, they're all acting under the same compulsion so don't be too
surprised if they adopt much the same procedures.

[Fenny]

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:34:16 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>

Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.

[Penny]

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 22:29:59 +0100, Fenny <***@removethis.gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:34:16 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>

Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.

I think it's just online but the mugger who nicks both card and phone will
have no problem stealing your money in online transactions.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:34:16 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>

Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.

I think it's just online but the mugger who nicks both card and phone will
have no problem stealing your money in online transactions.

Easier for them than me, if they get a good phone signal.

[krw]

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.

I gather that the public protection gained by these clever ideas has
been shunted back 18 months as there are apparently concerns that it
might stop people buying online.

[Fenny]

Post by krw
I gather that the public protection gained by these clever ideas has
been shunted back 18 months as there are apparently concerns that it
might stop people buying online.

I heard that earlier and rejoiced.

OTOH, it may prevent the demise of the high street if we all have to
go back to buying things in person. Or, more likely, we'll all just
stop buying things because shops no longer actually carry stock!

[Mike]

Post by Fenny

Post by krw
I gather that the public protection gained by these clever ideas has
been shunted back 18 months as there are apparently concerns that it
might stop people buying online.

I heard that earlier and rejoiced.
OTOH, it may prevent the demise of the high street if we all have to
go back to buying things in person. Or, more likely, we'll all just
stop buying things because shops no longer actually carry stock!

Shops don’t carry stock for, as they tell you, ‘You can buy it on-line.’

[Steve Hague]

Post by Fenny

Post by krw
I gather that the public protection gained by these clever ideas has
been shunted back 18 months as there are apparently concerns that it
might stop people buying online.

I heard that earlier and rejoiced.
OTOH, it may prevent the demise of the high street if we all have to
go back to buying things in person. Or, more likely, we'll all just
stop buying things because shops no longer actually carry stock!

A few months ago, we needed to buy a new cooker. Only two local places,
Argos and Curry's, had cookers on their websites, with Argos having much
the larger range. The problem was that neither emporium had any cookers
in stock. The Argos website claimed to have a home delivery facility,
but when clicking on any suitable cooker, I found it to not be available
for home delivery. I would have been happy to collect from either of the
local Argos branches or the not quite so local Curry's. I ended up
buying a second hand cooker I saw on a local buy/sell website. I would
have much preferred a new one, but there didn't seem to be one in Cornwall.
Steve

[Anne B]

Post by krw

Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the
garden, or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or
so) and hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone
whilst 13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.

I gather that the public protection gained by these clever ideas has
been shunted back 18 months as there are apparently concerns that it
might stop people buying online.

Good. It sounds as if the protests of the disadvantaged minority have
been listened to for once.

They have to provide some reasonable alternative for people who don't
have a smartphone, and for people who live where there is no phobile
reception - who also, be it noted, are, generally speaking, the people
who are most reliant on remote shopping.

Why has the Guvmint allowed the rollout of 5G when some places don't
even get 3G?

Anne B

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <qj3qim$qbg$***@dont-email.me>, Anne B
<***@btinternet.com> writes:
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Post by Anne B
Why has the Guvmint allowed the rollout of 5G when some places don't
even get 3G?
Anne B

God knows. I thoroughly agree: not so much the 5G/3G thing, though
that's the same principle, but ultra-fast broadband, while some places
don't yet have acceptable slow broadband. (I'm lucky enough, but feel
it's something that all should have reasonable access to. [If they don't
_want_ it, that's a different matter.])