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A fine example of leftist spin by the media
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bigdog
2019-02-09 15:50:22 UTC
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As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
benj
2019-02-09 23:12:51 UTC
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Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
Snit
2019-02-09 23:18:04 UTC
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Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time
Seems to be the case though we do not have the details yet.
Post by benj
and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
Open borders? What the hell are you talking about.

Oh.

You made that up.
Post by benj
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


bigdog
2019-02-09 23:24:33 UTC
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Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going to agree to partial funding of the wall. Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
is the situation Trump was in. His choices were:

1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.

2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.

3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.

Trump is a deal maker. Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.

Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Snit
2019-02-09 23:29:59 UTC
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Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.

Your math is not great.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
bigdog
2019-02-10 14:52:27 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is. The story described it as a split the difference deal.
Snit
2019-02-10 16:35:41 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.

The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
bigdog
2019-02-10 18:17:06 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Sounds like you are pissing all over yourself with worry.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 18:21:56 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:17:06 -0800 (PST), bigdog
<SNIP>
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Sounds like you are pissing all over yourself with worry.
What, now he's AGAINST the wall again? He really seems to be freaking
out about it. LOL
Snit
2019-02-10 18:27:18 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
bigdog
2019-02-10 18:47:54 UTC
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Post by Snit
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Post by bigdog
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Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
Skippy responds to himself. <chuckle>
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 18:49:02 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), bigdog
Post by bigdog
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Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
Skippy responds to himself. <chuckle>
ANd why not? Snit's the only one who believes what Snit is saying! LOL
Snit
2019-02-10 19:33:14 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), bigdog
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
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Post by bigdog
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Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
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Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
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2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
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Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
Skippy responds to himself. <chuckle>
ANd why not? Snit's the only one who believes what Snit is saying! LOL
Please show evidence I am the only one who accepts evidence.

Oh.

To do so you would have to contradict yourself.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 20:00:02 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 12:33:14 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), bigdog
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
Skippy responds to himself. <chuckle>
ANd why not? Snit's the only one who believes what Snit is saying! LOL
Please show evidence I am the only one who accepts evidence.
Please show evidence that I claimed you're the only one who accepts
evidence.

You won't, because you lied, and just made it up.

Stop lashing out in frustration and READ what's being written instead
of crying, OK?

LOL
Snit
2019-02-10 19:27:14 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
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Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border
well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a
split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as
pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going
to agree to partial funding of the wall.
They started by offering $1.3B. Seems it is going up to $1.6B.
Post by bigdog
Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
Allow? Cause. He CAUSED the first shut down. He happily took blame for
it. At first. Then he started to understand it and back pedaled.
Shutdowns happen when Republicans and Democrats can't agree on a budget but when
that happens, liberals always blame the Republicans and the media joins in. It
takes two to tango.
Trump took the blame. At first. As he should. And the public largely agreed
it was Trump and the Republicans.
The Democrats did not back his ecological disaster ego wall. They are not
in any way to blame for it or the impact of Trump’s ego.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
Sure.
Post by bigdog
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Dems started at $1.3B. You seem to forget this.
Not for a wall.
For physical borders.
Bigdog had no response.
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
Trump is a deal maker.
A very, very crappy one.
Post by bigdog
Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
The leverage: threaten to harm the US population he cares nothing about.
He only ended his last shut down when it started to impact the rich in
significant and direct ways.
Post by bigdog
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
Half way between 1.3 and 5.7 is 3.5... not 1.5.
Your math is not great.
Negotiations are still going on. We shall see what the final number is.
The story described it as a split the difference deal.
You are right there is no deal. I hope the Democrats do not give in. If
they give Trump a way to save face by going from 1.3 to 1.5 that is not too
bad. To do much more would be. And if they do they need to get money for
projects to help America and its people.
Bigdog had no response other than to fantasize about me. LOL!
Little Pup cried about this. Oh well.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 20:00:35 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 12:27:14 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
Little Pup cried
And responded to himself again. Interesting.
benj
2019-02-11 11:59:33 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by benj
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
Trump lost and caved big time and Pelosi and socialist open borders crew
won. How can anyone say anything different and not be banned for life
from Google?
They are still negotiating but the signals are that the Dems are going to agree to partial funding of the wall. Caving would have been agreeing to a budget deal
that didn't include funding for the wall. In politics, if you don't have the
votes to get what you want, you compromise to get some of what you want. That
1. Refuse to compromise and allow another shutdown. That would not have gotten
the wall funded.
2. Cave in and agree to a budget deal with no funding for the wall. That would
not have gotten the wall funded either.
3. Agree to a split-the-difference compromise in which there is some funding
that will allow construction to commence on the wall. It's not everything he
wanted but the Dems didn't want any funding for the wall and they didn't get
what they wanted either.
Trump is a deal maker. Once the GOP lost the House, they lost control of the
purse strings. Trump could no longer get everything he wanted. He used the
leverage he had to get what he could.
Now if the final deal comes out and it contains only a pittance for the wall,
then I will agree that he did cave. But if they met halfway which is what the
signals are saying, then he struck a reasonable compromise.
The only thing that really makes sense is to ask some border security
experts what needs to be built and both sides agree to go with whatever
they say. Obviously this a NOT happening. Everyone is in schoolyard
mode with the Dems looking the worst because they used to be for border
walls and now they've had to reverse 180 to "get" Trump who has not had
to change position.

Snit
2019-02-10 03:32:46 UTC
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Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
Just Wondering
2019-02-10 03:40:10 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
For rebuilding one section of wall already in place, and for
one single short section of new wall. Border security is like
a leaky boat. Trump want to plug the holes so the boat won't
fill with water and sink. Pelosi wants to plug just a couple
of holes, and let the boat sink a little slower.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 12:56:05 UTC
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Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
See how Snit is all-of-a-sudden OK with walls.

Interesting.
Snit
2019-02-10 16:35:41 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
See how Snit is all-of-a-sudden OK with walls.
Interesting.
We have physical barriers and I am fine with improving them. You are so
lost you act like this is contrary to something I have said.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-02-10 16:38:35 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she ? doing more than the
Republicans last year ? started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
See how Snit is all-of-a-sudden OK with walls.
Interesting.
We have physical barriers and I am fine with improving them.
So now you're OK with walls. Before you were saying how ineffective
they were and were freaking out about them. Now, suddenly, you're OK
with them. Interesting.
Just Wondering
2019-02-10 21:13:22 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
See how Snit is all-of-a-sudden OK with walls.
Interesting.
We have physical barriers and I am fine with improving them. You are
so lost you act like this is contrary to something I have said.
Border security is like a leaky boat. Trump want to plug
the holes so the boat won't fill with water and sink. Pelosi
wants to plug just a couple of holes, and let the boat sink
a little slower. And you're in Pelosi's camp.
Snit
2019-02-10 21:27:38 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by bigdog
As negotiators are nearing a compromise solution on the border well, it is telling
how the media portrays it. It is apparently a split-the-difference agreement but
whereas Trump is said to be caving, Pelosi is being portrayed as pragmatic. Either
they are both caving or both are being pragmatic, take your pick.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-pelosi-shows-pragmatic-streak-in-pursuit-of-border-deal/ar-BBTmT8u?ocid=spartandhp
She said some absurd things about it, but she — doing more than the
Republicans last year — started by suggesting $1.3B for physical barriers.
See how Snit is all-of-a-sudden OK with walls.
Interesting.
We have physical barriers and I am fine with improving them. You are
so lost you act like this is contrary to something I have said.
Border security is like a leaky boat.  Trump want to plug
the holes so the boat won't fill with water and sink.
If that is the case why not propose THAT and not his view of a wall that
has not been shown to offer any significant reduction in illegal
immigration or drug trafficking?
Pelosi
wants to plug just a couple of holes, and let the boat sink
a little slower.
If that is the case then so are the Republicans.
And you're in Pelosi's camp.
I am for securing the border and not Trump's ego-wall. Sure.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Just Wondering
2019-02-10 21:40:28 UTC
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Post by Snit
I am for securing the border
How do you propose to secure the border?
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