HB 1388 Passed.....

[Gunner Asch]

Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED





THINK THIS IS HYSTERIA? IF YOU DO,PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES AND YOUR
MINDS. LITTLE BY LITTLE THE PUZZLE PIECES ARE PLACED. THEN,"HOW DID
THIS HAPPEN?" IS OBAMA IN THE TANK FOR HAMAS AND THE MUSLIM
NATION??? IS OBAMA A CLOSET MUSLIM???


You just spent $20,000,000 to move members/supporters of Hamas, a
terrorist organization, to the United States; housing, food, the whole
enchilada.

HB 1388 PASSED

Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U.S.
needs to know....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed, behind our backs.
You may want to read about it... It wasn't mentioned on the news...
just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas
Refugees to the USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines.

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the
expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the
Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination," which allows hundreds of
thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the
United States, was signed and appears in the Federal Register.

Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order
provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to
individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the
Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of
January 2006.

Now we learn that he is allowing thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the
blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.

Doubtful? To verify this for yourself:
_www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488_

(http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

)

PLEASE PASS THIS ON... AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

[Doug Miller]

Post by Gunner Asch
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Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

[Joe788]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Doug Miller that Gunner is
too fucking dumb, too stupid and too lazy to check?

That Doug Miller and his imbecile pals follow Gunner's every post and
point this out over and over is even dumber than than the moronic
bullshit that brain dead Gunner believes and posts.

[Doug Miller]

Post by Joe788

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it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Doug Miller that Gunner is
too fucking dumb, too stupid and too lazy to check?

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Jon Banquer that Gunner is capable
of learning? Speaking of "capable of learning".... you figure out how to drill
holes yet, Jon?

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Jon Banquer that absolutely
*nobody* is fooled by his pretending to be "Larry Rozer" pretending to be
"Joe788"?

How's your job at Qualcom going, Jon?

Getting many hits on your blog at wordpress?

[Joe788]

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Post by Joe788

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Post by Doug Miller
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Doug Miller that Gunner is
too fucking dumb, too stupid and too lazy to check?

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Jon Banquer that Gunner is capable
of learning? Speaking of "capable of learning".... you figure out how to drill
holes yet, Jon?
Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Jon Banquer that absolutely
*nobody* is fooled by his pretending to be "Larry Rozer" pretending to be
"Joe788"?
How's your job at Qualcom going, Jon?
Getting many hits on your blog at wordpress?

LOL!

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Joe788

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Does it ever occur to a fucking moron like Doug Miller that Gunner is
too fucking dumb, too stupid and too lazy to check?
That Doug Miller and his imbecile pals follow Gunner's every post and
point this out over and over is even dumber than than the moronic
bullshit that brain dead Gunner believes and posts.

So John..hows that job coming along?

Gunner

[PrecisionmachinisT]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
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[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?

That's got to be one of the dumbest questions anyone here has asked so far
this year.

--

[Ed Huntress]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.

I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)

[Bill]

Post by Ed Huntress
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress

And then when called out on it he does one of three things:
1. The quiet sound of crickets.
2. Responds:"I knew that, I just put that up there to rile the
lefties"... (but he did think was true)
3. A completely new bogus subject as if the last one was never even
mentioned.

--
Bill

[Shall not be infringed]

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress

I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 8 May 2010 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress

I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Some do, some dont. In Mid America..fly over country..most still live
on their farms.

Gunner
--
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

[Ed Huntress]

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Gunner says it's 11% of the population. <g>

[jk]

Post by Shall not be infringed
I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Horse puckey

Both my grandfather, and my uncle lived on their farms until the day
they died, well outside of town, although it is a LOT closer than when
I was a kid. For my uncle it was one of several he owned, so no he
didn't live on all of them.

The family farm that my ancestors purchased in Wisconsin, when they
immigrated here is still an operating farm, and their descendants
still live there and run that farm.

In the area I live in, in the true norther california, LOTs of local
farmers live on the land they farm. I know of none that don't,
although there probably are quite a few.

And if a farmer sells half his land, and the town expands up to the
farmhouse, which way do you count it? He still lives on his farm, AND
in town.

[And ALL of that ignores the "urban pot farmers" that live IN their
farm.]

jk

[Because We Carry the Fire?]

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Gunner says it's 11% of the population. <g>

Maybe those farm houses are just Hollywood props?

[Ed Huntress]

Post by Because We Carry the Fire?

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
I don't think even farmers live on farms. Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Gunner says it's 11% of the population. <g>

Maybe those farm houses are just Hollywood props?

May be. I think most of the old barns are just billboards for Mail Pouch
chewing tobacco ads.

[Shall not be infringed]

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Because We Carry the Fire?

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Ed Huntress

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

We've asked that question at least 100 times, Doug. The answer appears to
be, "no," and "yes," respectively.
I especially get a kick out of the ones that quote specific statistics that
are complete fabrications, like one he posted last week about the number of
people who live on farms. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
I don't think even farmers live on farms.  Most of them have modern
homes in town.

Gunner says it's 11% of the population. <g>

Maybe those farm houses are just Hollywood props?

May be. I think most of the old barns are just billboards for Mail Pouch
chewing tobacco ads.
--
Ed Huntress-

Yup. The only thing they need a barn for anymore is to store the RV
and fishing boats in.

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Given the pile of shit that finds its way into my inbox everyday...no, I
dont check most of it. I simply delete the vast majority of it.

This came from a good source however, and Ive emailed him a rather
stiff note of complaint.

Shrug. After all..it is something Lefttards would do.

Gunner

[Doug Miller]

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Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Given the pile of shit that finds its way into my inbox everyday...no, I
dont check most of it. I simply delete the vast majority of it.
This came from a good source however,

Obviously not!!

Post by Gunner Asch
and Ive emailed him a rather
stiff note of complaint.

Checking it out before repeating it might have been a better idea...

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Given the pile of shit that finds its way into my inbox everyday...no, I
dont check most of it. I simply delete the vast majority of it.
This came from a good source however,

Obviously not!!

Post by Gunner Asch
and Ive emailed him a rather
stiff note of complaint.

Checking it out before repeating it might have been a better idea...

Hindsight is easier than foresight.

Shrug.

Ive appologized for it several times so far. Thats all anyone gets.
Particularly lying Leftwingers.

Gunner

[unknown]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Doug Miller
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Given the pile of shit that finds its way into my inbox everyday...no, I
dont check most of it. I simply delete the vast majority of it.
This came from a good source however,

Obviously not!!

Post by Gunner Asch
and Ive emailed him a rather
stiff note of complaint.

Checking it out before repeating it might have been a better idea...

Hindsight is easier than foresight.
Shrug.
Ive appologized for it several times so far. Thats all anyone gets.
Particularly lying Leftwingers.

You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit. You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it. You're the worst kind of human garbage there is.

Post by Gunner Asch
Gunner

[Jeff M]

[snip]

Post by unknown
You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit. You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it. You're the worst kind of human garbage there is.

Oh, c'mon, man. Don't sugarcoat it, just tell him how you really feel!

[Shall not be infringed]

Post by Jeff M
[snip]

You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit.  You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it.  You're the worst kind of human garbage there is.

Oh, c'mon, man.  Don't sugarcoat it, just tell him how you really feel!

I saw an apology. Apparently mr anon didn't. Too blinded by hate.

[unknown]

On Sun, 9 May 2010 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Jeff M
[snip]

You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit. =A0You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it. =A0You're the worst kind of human garbage there is=

.

Post by Jeff M
Oh, c'mon, man. =A0Don't sugarcoat it, just tell him how you really feel!

I saw an apology. Apparently mr anon didn't. Too blinded by hate.

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

[Buerste]

<hal> wrote in message news:***@news.newsguy.com...
<snip>

Post by unknown
It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that. I've decided
to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

[Shall not be infringed]

Post by Buerste
<snip>

Post by unknown
It wasn't an apology.  It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue!  I know this because they continually tell us that.  

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

Post by unknown

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!

I want that kind of a pass.

[Buerste]

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!

I want that kind of a pass.

**************************************

I think it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

[Dan]

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!
I want that kind of a pass.
**************************************
I think

With a starting lie like that, the rest of this statement is suspect.

Post by Shall not be infringed
it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

Yep, the rest of the statement was a lie in two parts: one, that the
author has parts of the brain responsible for reason, accountability,
and morals, and two, that removing these would allow said person to
become a leftist, as though that were a prerequisite.

Another sad little boy.

Dan

[Buerste]

Post by Dan

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!
I want that kind of a pass.
**************************************
I think

With a starting lie like that, the rest of this statement is suspect.

Post by Shall not be infringed
it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

Yep, the rest of the statement was a lie in two parts: one, that the
author has parts of the brain responsible for reason, accountability, and
morals, and two, that removing these would allow said person to become a
leftist, as though that were a prerequisite.
Another sad little boy.
Dan

Hi Dan,
Please point out to me liberal responsibility and reason. I realize there
will be a difference in your definition of those words and mine.

[John R. Carroll]

Post by Buerste

Post by Dan

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate,
incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!
I want that kind of a pass.
**************************************
I think

With a starting lie like that, the rest of this statement is suspect.

Post by Shall not be infringed
it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

Yep, the rest of the statement was a lie in two parts: one, that the
author has parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability, and morals, and two, that removing these would allow
said person to become a leftist, as though that were a prerequisite.
Another sad little boy.
Dan

Hi Dan,
Please point out to me liberal responsibility and reason. I realize
there will be a difference in your definition of those words and mine.

Not to but in here Tom but I've been looking over the HC bill that just
passed.
One clause requires business's to collect info and send 1099's for every
single thing purchased.
Everything.

Failing to do so will void the expense as a deduction. I think they are
trying to capture unreported income from vendors
for tax purposes. There is no personal property exception either. LOL
The IRS figures they loose $30 billion (?) per year or so in tax revenue.
This goes into effect for the tax year beginning 01/01/2012.

The death tax reductions Bush passed also sunset this year.
This is the year to die if you want to save your inheritors some money.

[Joe788]

Post by John R. Carroll
This is the year to die if you want to save your inheritors some money.
--
John R. Carroll

Suggest you start thinking of your inheritors then instead of being
the selfish bastard you normally are.

Change is good!

[Buerste]

Post by John R. Carroll

Post by Buerste

Post by Dan

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate,
incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!
I want that kind of a pass.
**************************************
I think

With a starting lie like that, the rest of this statement is suspect.

Post by Shall not be infringed
it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

Yep, the rest of the statement was a lie in two parts: one, that the
author has parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability, and morals, and two, that removing these would allow
said person to become a leftist, as though that were a prerequisite.
Another sad little boy.
Dan

Hi Dan,
Please point out to me liberal responsibility and reason. I realize
there will be a difference in your definition of those words and mine.

Not to but in here Tom but I've been looking over the HC bill that just
passed.
One clause requires business's to collect info and send 1099's for every
single thing purchased.
Everything.
Failing to do so will void the expense as a deduction. I think they are
trying to capture unreported income from vendors
for tax purposes. There is no personal property exception either. LOL
The IRS figures they loose $30 billion (?) per year or so in tax revenue.
This goes into effect for the tax year beginning 01/01/2012.
The death tax reductions Bush passed also sunset this year.
This is the year to die if you want to save your inheritors some money.
--
John R. Carroll

I don't understand, are you saying I have to file a seperate1099 for every
nut and bolt I buy, or everything I sell? IIRC, Death taxes only affect
estates in the millions and those people find legal ways to avoid big tax
bites.

[John R. Carroll]

Post by Buerste
I don't understand, are you saying I have to file a seperate1099 for
every nut and bolt I buy,

You have to print one up and send it off for everything you buy but only one
per vendor, not one per purchase.
Costco, Staples and every other vendor as well as contract emps.

The Feds will get the info electronically but as it stands today, you will
have to provide 1099's to everyone.
That's going to be a lot of paper and stamps.

[Bill]

Post by John R. Carroll

Post by Buerste
I don't understand, are you saying I have to file a seperate1099 for
every nut and bolt I buy,

You have to print one up and send it off for everything you buy but only one
per vendor, not one per purchase.
Costco, Staples and every other vendor as well as contract emps.
The Feds will get the info electronically but as it stands today, you will
have to provide 1099's to everyone.
That's going to be a lot of paper and stamps.

I don't think 1099's were ever designed for that use and it will get
ugly. But, since since many independent contractors now operate in
various forms of S corp services, in their eyes means we're hiding the
money. I once read that 70% of corporations listed here in California
are single entity owners.

--
Bill

[Bill]

Post by John R. Carroll

Post by Buerste
I don't understand, are you saying I have to file a seperate1099 for
every nut and bolt I buy,

You have to print one up and send it off for everything you buy but only one
per vendor, not one per purchase.
Costco, Staples and every other vendor as well as contract emps.
The Feds will get the info electronically but as it stands today, you will
have to provide 1099's to everyone.
That's going to be a lot of paper and stamps.
--
John R. Carroll

I found this little blog about it as well:
http://www.taxgirl.com/new-rules-about-forms-1099-are-causing-a-stir/
Basically, including corporations as 1099 recipients... silly.

--
Bill

[John R. Carroll]

Post by Bill

Post by John R. Carroll

Post by Buerste

Post by Buerste
<hal> wrote in

I don't understand, are you saying I have to file a seperate1099 for
every nut and bolt I buy,

You have to print one up and send it off for everything you buy but
only one per vendor, not one per purchase.
Costco, Staples and every other vendor as well as contract emps.
The Feds will get the info electronically but as it stands today,
you will have to provide 1099's to everyone.
That's going to be a lot of paper and stamps.
--
John R. Carroll

http://www.taxgirl.com/new-rules-about-forms-1099-are-causing-a-stir/
Basically, including corporations as 1099 recipients... silly.

It is described about the way I thought it worked.
I wonder what Staples is going to do with all of those millions of 1099's?
LOL

[Dan]

Post by Buerste

Post by Dan

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by Buerste
<snip>

It wasn't an apology. It was a justification "because leftists do
it".

Leftists are NEVER mistaken, wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false
or untrue! I know this because they continually tell us that.

And they don't ever, ever, ever lose climate data.

Post by Buerste
I've decided to become a leftist, it will be wonderful!

Yep, for example Cur-Lee said that the earth's climate is a

Post by Buerste

CLOSED<<< system.

Just WOW!!!
I want that kind of a pass.
**************************************
I think

With a starting lie like that, the rest of this statement is suspect.

Post by Shall not be infringed
it involves removing the parts of the brain responsible for reason,
accountability and morals...THEN we can become leftists!

Yep, the rest of the statement was a lie in two parts: one, that the
author has parts of the brain responsible for reason, accountability, and
morals, and two, that removing these would allow said person to become a
leftist, as though that were a prerequisite.
Another sad little boy.
Dan

Hi Dan,
Please point out to me liberal responsibility and reason.

What level of detail would you like?

Post by Buerste
I realize there
will be a difference in your definition of those words and mine.

True.

Dan

[Shall not be infringed]

Post by unknown
On Sun, 9 May 2010 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed

Post by Jeff M
[snip]

You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit. =A0You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it. =A0You're the worst kind of human garbage there is=

.

Post by Jeff M
Oh, c'mon, man. =A0Don't sugarcoat it, just tell him how you really feel!

I saw an apology.  Apparently mr anon didn't.  Too blinded by hate.

It wasn't an apology.  It was a justification "because leftists do
it".  

"""Ive appologized for it several times so far. Thats all anyone
gets.
Particularly lying Leftwingers."""

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 10 May 2010 16:35:11 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed

Post by Shall not be infringed

Post by unknown
On Sun, 9 May 2010 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed

Post by Jeff M
[snip]

You're a pathetic, ignorant piece of shit. =A0You lie your ass off all
the time then whenever you get caught you justify it by saying that
"leftwingers" do it. =A0You're the worst kind of human garbage there is=

.

Post by Jeff M
Oh, c'mon, man. =A0Don't sugarcoat it, just tell him how you really feel!

I saw an apology.  Apparently mr anon didn't.  Too blinded by hate.

It wasn't an apology.  It was a justification "because leftists do
it".  

"""Ive appologized for it several times so far. Thats all anyone
gets.
Particularly lying Leftwingers."""
Gunner

Indeed.

Gunner

[Bill]

On May 9, 9:58 am, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-

I saw an apology.  Apparently mr anon didn't.  Too blinded by hate.

Apologies have their place. Gunny has been schooled many times now
about posting unverified crap. To do it after being called out on it
many time is beyond the scope of apologizing. Like I posted earlier:

...when called out on it he does one of three things:
1. The quiet sound of crickets.
2. Responds:"I knew that, I just put that up there to rile the
lefties"... (but he did think was true)
3. A completely new bogus subject as if the last one was never even
mentioned.

So now we can add apologize to his list every time he does this. I
would be better if he would just research his posts rather than just
passing the spam that comes through his email. Hell I know a guy in
Nigeria that has $50 million ready for me if I just give him my bank
info... Came in my mail yesterday.

--
Bill

[Jessica Wabbit]

Post by Bill
On May 9, 9:58 am, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-

I saw an apology.  Apparently mr anon didn't.  Too blinded by hate.

Apologies have their place. Gunny has been schooled many times now
about posting unverified crap. To do it after being called out on it
1. The quiet sound of crickets.
2. Responds:"I knew that, I just put that up there to rile the
lefties"... (but he did think was true)
3. A completely new bogus subject

Like the 'Somali thingy', whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

[Joe788]

Post by Bill
Apologies have their place.

Suggest you start apologizing for UGS and now Simens horrible job at
marketing to smaller machining job shops then. Even Carol did a better
job when she sold Vero Visi-CADCAM, TopSolid and Visual Mill. Hard to
believe I know but true because Siemens fucking sucks dead donkey dick
at marketing. It doesn't get any worse than these useless idiots. I
really didn't think it could get worse than UGS but Siemens is proving
me wrong. This has left the door open for Autodesk. Lets see if they
fuck it up as well or kick some ass with far better technology than
history based modeling is. For those that wish to play in a "sandbox",
with no risk to their operating system, Inventor Fusion is available
to download for free. The program will expire in a year. Autodesk
calls this a technology preview. I've been shown an advance of the
next Inventor Fusion technology preview coming this fall. It will have
major breakthroughs in ease of creating aesthetically pleasing parts.
It's already got a great user interface.

[Joe788]

Post by Joe788

Post by Bill
Apologies have their place.

Suggest you start apologizing for UGS and now Simens horrible job at
marketing to smaller machining job shops then. Even Carol did a better
job when she sold Vero Visi-CADCAM, TopSolid and Visual Mill. Hard to
believe I know but true because Siemens fucking sucks dead donkey dick
at marketing. It doesn't get any worse than these useless idiots. I
really didn't think it could get worse than UGS but Siemens is proving
me wrong. This has left the door open for Autodesk. Lets see if they
fuck it up as well or kick some ass with far better technology than
history based modeling is. For those that wish to play in a "sandbox",
with no risk to their operating system, Inventor Fusion is available
to download for free. The program will expire in a year. Autodesk
calls this a technology preview. I've been shown an advance of the
next Inventor Fusion technology preview coming this fall. It will have
major breakthroughs in ease of creating aesthetically pleasing parts.
It's already got a great user interface.

Marketing advice from a middle aged failure with no experience in
marketing or business. I'm sure they are crowded around in the board
room, waiting for your next post, Jon!

[Dan]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

Given the pile of shit that finds its way into my inbox everyday...no, I
dont check most of it. I simply delete the vast majority of it.
This came from a good source however, and Ive emailed him a rather
stiff note of complaint.

OBVIOUSLY NOT a "good source." I'm betting most, if not all, of this
source's other offerings have been posted here and soundly thrashed by
the less-ideological among us, time and again.

Post by Gunner Asch
Shrug. After all..it is something Lefttards would do.

No, it is not. It does reek of rightwingnutery, however!

Dan

[anorton]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

You see a similar phenomena in the science newsgroups. Someone develops or
latches onto some wacky theory (e.g. refuting Einstein or seeing fossils in
the Mars photos) and it becomes so much a part of their reason for being
that they will not or can not discard it regardless of the amount of
contradictory evidence presented to them. As they become more desperate,
they will misinterpret facts or accept without question any falsehood from
any source that even slightly supports their theory. As these are rebutted,
they become more threatened and threatening.

Just to be clear, I am not saying this about anyone who is conservative. I
am very middle of the road and have several intelligently conservative
friends. However, the problem is unthinking ideologues on the extreme left
of right who basically live in a fantasy world.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 8 May 2010 12:55:26 -0700, "anorton"

Post by anorton

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

You see a similar phenomena in the science newsgroups. Someone develops or
latches onto some wacky theory (e.g. refuting Einstein or seeing fossils in
the Mars photos) and it becomes so much a part of their reason for being
that they will not or can not discard it regardless of the amount of
contradictory evidence presented to them. As they become more desperate,
they will misinterpret facts or accept without question any falsehood from
any source that even slightly supports their theory. As these are rebutted,
they become more threatened and threatening.
Just to be clear, I am not saying this about anyone who is conservative. I
am very middle of the road and have several intelligently conservative
friends. However, the problem is unthinking ideologues on the extreme left
of right who basically live in a fantasy world.

Quite frankly....is ANYTHING the Left does so far out and extreme that
its unbelievable?

Im curious..how many Somalis are now living in the US...victims of
"persecution...." and brought into the US by the Leftwing?

http://www.cal.org/co/bantu/sbintro.html

"In Africa, the Bantu-speaking peoples make up a major part of the
population of nearly all African countries south of the Sahara. They
belong to over 300 groups, each with its own language or dialect. Groups
vary in size from a few hundred to several million. Among the best known
are the Kikuyu, the largest group in Kenya; the Swahili, whose language
is spoken throughout eastern Africa; and the Zulu of South Africa.

The Somali Bantu can be subdivided into distinct groups. There are those
who are indigenous to Somalia, those who were brought to Somalia as
slaves from Bantu-speaking tribes but integrated into Somali society,
and those who were brought to Somalia as slaves but maintained, to
varying degrees, their ancestral culture, Bantu languages, and sense of
southeast African identity. It is this last group of Bantu refugees that
has particularly suffered persecution in Somalia and that is therefore
in need of protection through resettlement. These Bantu originally
sought resettlement to Tanzania in 1993 and 1994, and to Mozambique in
1997 and 1998, before they were considered for resettlement in the
United States in 1999.

As a persecuted minority group in Somalia, the Bantu refugees have
endured continual marginalization in Somalia since their arrival as
slaves in the 19th century. Although they have lived in Somalia for
approximately two centuries, these Bantu are, in many ways, viewed and
treated as foreigners. This history, coupled with their cultural,
linguistic and physical differences, distinguishes them from other
Somali refugees who have been resettled in the United States. The
culture of subjugation under which most of them lived may present
special challenges to their American resettlement caseworkers.

Today, an estimated 300 Somali Bantu live in the United States. Of
these, some have come as students, others have accompanied spouses or
other family members, and a few have been resettled as refugees. The
Somali Bantu, like other refugee groups, have tended to concentrate in
urban areas. One of the largest concentrations is in Atlanta, Georgia,
where the Bantu have established a community association, the Somali
Bantu Community Organization, to assist newly resettled Somali Bantu
refugees.

The total number of Somalis living in the United States is estimated at
150,000, of whom about 40,000 are Somali refugees from the dominant
clans. With tens of thousands of Somalis, Minneapolis has the largest
Somali community in the United States. Other metropolitan areas with
large numbers of Somalis include Columbus, Ohio, New York City,
Washington, D.C., Boston, San Diego, Atlanta, and Detroit. (For more
information on Somalia in general, please see the Center for Applied
LinguisticsÕ Culture Profile on Somali refugees.)

Before the U.S. resettlement offer, faced with the prospect of
indefinite residency in the refugee camps, some Bantu refugee families
may have felt compelled to send members back to Somalia to try to claim
their former farms. However, when asked in 1996 if Bantu refugees were
still determined to resettle, a Bantu elder affirmed emphatically, ÒWe
didnÕt know what freedom was; we have been let out of the cage and we
donÕt want to go back in.Ó "


Resettlement offers are hardly new for the Leftwing

http://www.speroforum.com/a/31510/Volcanos-eruption-delays-UN-plan-to-resettle-Palestinian-refugees-in-France

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/category/other-refugees/

http://www.amazon.com/Buddha-Hiding-Refugees-Citizenship-Anthropology/dp/0520238249

Cubans, Hmong, Iraqi, Kurdish, Iranians, Haitian, Salvadoran, Bosnian,
the list goes on and on.

And then of course are the Illegal "immigrants" from at least 5 Latin
American countries that are settled in the US, that the Left is so fond
of.

So it was logical to think that the Friends of the Tangos, the
Democrats, would let..nay..encourage..a host of them to come to America.

Shrug

Gunner

[Jessica Wabbit]

Post by Gunner Asch
So it was logical to think that the Friends of the Tangos, the
Democrats, would let..nay..encourage..a host of them to come to America.

What you consider logical is the real problem.

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Jessica Wabbit

Post by Gunner Asch
So it was logical to think that the Friends of the Tangos, the
Democrats, would let..nay..encourage..a host of them to come to America.

What you consider logical is the real problem.

That you think the delusions of your fellow mentally ill compadres has
any bearing on Reality is one..one of your problems.

So hows that Somali thingy coming along?

<VBG>

Gunner
--
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

[Jessica Wabbit]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Jessica Wabbit

Post by Gunner Asch
So it was logical to think that the Friends of the Tangos, the
Democrats, would let..nay..encourage..a host of them to come to America.

What you consider logical is the real problem.

That you think the delusions of your fellow mentally ill compadres has
any bearing on Reality is one..one of your problems.
So hows that Somali thingy coming along?
<VBG>

A ' Somali thingy' must be another one of those code words used by the
insane. Gumby, I think that your spaghetti is unbuttoned again.

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Jessica Wabbit

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Jessica Wabbit

Post by Gunner Asch
So it was logical to think that the Friends of the Tangos, the
Democrats, would let..nay..encourage..a host of them to come to America.

What you consider logical is the real problem.

That you think the delusions of your fellow mentally ill compadres has
any bearing on Reality is one..one of your problems.
So hows that Somali thingy coming along?
<VBG>

A ' Somali thingy' must be another one of those code words used by the
insane. Gumby, I think that your spaghetti is unbuttoned again.

So Jessie didnt follow the links I provided...did she? Dont know how?
Or do you simply wish to remain an ignorant and mentally ill cunt?

Gunner
--
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

[raamman]

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

the point is to spread paranoia, truth and facts only get in the way.
gunner must be holed up in a corner of his basement with a shotgun a
bottle of rye and a tin foil hat. yep, the black army's gonna weed you
out and send you to the concentration camp in north korea. then who'll
be laughing ?

[Gunner Asch]

Post by raamman

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

the point is to spread paranoia, truth and facts only get in the way.
gunner must be holed up in a corner of his basement with a shotgun a
bottle of rye and a tin foil hat. yep, the black army's gonna weed you
out and send you to the concentration camp in north korea. then who'll
be laughing ?

Fascinating summation of the Leftwing viewpoint, but the inclusion of
the shotgun is way out in left field. Most Leftwingers not only cant own
a shotgun because they are scared shitless of them, but by law, are not
allowed to own one. Mental illness/criminal history prevent them from
legally owning one.

Gunner

[Jessica Wabbit]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by raamman

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

the point is to spread paranoia, truth and facts only get in the way.
gunner must be holed up in a corner of his basement with a shotgun a
bottle of rye and a tin foil hat. yep, the black army's gonna weed you
out and send you to the concentration camp in north korea. then who'll
be laughing ?

Fascinating summation of the Leftwing viewpoint, but the inclusion of
the shotgun is way out in left field. Most Leftwingers not only cant own
a shotgun because they are scared shitless of them, but by law, are not
allowed to own one. Mental illness/criminal history prevent them from
legally owning one.
Gunner

Gumby, you are so obsessed about "mental illness" ... is that what has
been keeping you from lawful employment?

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 10 May 2010 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit

Post by Jessica Wabbit

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by raamman

Post by Doug Miller

Post by Gunner Asch
Subject: Fwd: Fw: HB 1388 PASSED

[load of manure snipped]
Does it EVER cross your mind to check ANY of this stuff out before you post
it, or do you believe every piece of crap that lands in your inbox?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/hr-1388-passed-behind-our-backs/

the point is to spread paranoia, truth and facts only get in the way.
gunner must be holed up in a corner of his basement with a shotgun a
bottle of rye and a tin foil hat. yep, the black army's gonna weed you
out and send you to the concentration camp in north korea. then who'll
be laughing ?

Fascinating summation of the Leftwing viewpoint, but the inclusion of
the shotgun is way out in left field. Most Leftwingers not only cant own
a shotgun because they are scared shitless of them, but by law, are not
allowed to own one. Mental illness/criminal history prevent them from
legally owning one.
Gunner

Gumby, you are so obsessed about "mental illness" ... is that what has
been keeping you from lawful employment?

Should your mental illness keep me from employment?
Id hardly think so, do you?

On the other hand....we do have the California Economy and its 32%
unemployment rate. And since Im a business owner..I cant claim
unemployment insurance, not having paid any for myself for the past 13
yrs.

Was there anything else you wished to spew, before they come in and give
you your thorazine shot and put you in your recliner to brood at the
wallpaper?

Gunner
--
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

[Joe788]

Post by Gunner Asch
On the other hand....we do have the California Economy and its 32%
unemployment rate.

California's economy for machinists living in the San Diego area
continues to flurish. However, there is a major shortage here of jobs
for those who want $75 an hour, have a shit hole of a shop that looks
like the one in the pictures you posted, beg on Usenet for free ER-32
collets, etc.

According to your former best bud Carol you do lousy work. Is that the
reason Carol won't return your tool to you? For the first time in her
life she might be right.

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Joe788

Post by Gunner Asch
On the other hand....we do have the California Economy and its 32%
unemployment rate.

California's economy for machinists living in the San Diego area
continues to flurish. However, there is a major shortage here of jobs
for those who want $75 an hour, have a shit hole of a shop that looks
like the one in the pictures you posted, beg on Usenet for free ER-32
collets, etc.

Major shortage of machine repair guys who want $75 an hour?
Snicker...there are hundreds of them in So. Cal, well..there used to be.
At least 30 of them known to me, have retired, or packed up and left
California in the last 14 months. The rest...well...many are now working
at Home Depot.

Odd though that you think my home hobby shop (under constuction) has
anything to do with commercial machining. Are you actually retarded..or
is it simply an act used to gain you some pity?

Post by Joe788
According to your former best bud Carol you do lousy work. Is that the
reason Carol won't return your tool to you? For the first time in her
life she might be right.

First of all..once again you slip in your drool. Carol is a guy. John
Caroll (sp).
Secondly...when you loan something to someone..its not a gift.
Thirdly..you are claiming that John Carrol..a man who shits out turds
lightyears smarter than you, might be right for once(?)

Even the mans occasional buffoonery is smarter than you will ever be.

Shrug

Oh...I just returned from 2 weeks on Fullerton and Anaheim, closing down
and then auctioning yet another large California machine shop.

Oh fuck yes...manufacturing is doing so so so fucking well. Thats why
there are For Sale/For Lease/Closing signs all over the fucking place.
And no buyers.

But hey..you are a right fart smeller, so it must be true

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner

[Winston_Smith]

Post by Gunner Asch
Oh...I just returned from 2 weeks on Fullerton and Anaheim, closing down
and then auctioning yet another large California machine shop.
Oh fuck yes...manufacturing is doing so so so fucking well. Thats why
there are For Sale/For Lease/Closing signs all over the fucking place.
And no buyers.

I have to take note that a thrift store here named "Savers" closed up
shop a month ago.

Things are tough when thrift shops can't stay in business.

And they were my only source of the shape beer glass I like, too.
Rough all over, I guess.

One of the Jack-in-the-Box locations went feet up last week too.
Their service was so awful it's hard to decide if was that or all
those green shoots that got them, though.

[Bill]

Post by Gunner Asch
Oh...I just returned from 2 weeks on Fullerton and Anaheim, closing down
and then auctioning yet another large California machine shop.

Don't tell me: the machines they have are late model highly efficient
cnc machines with the capability to compete with other shops that have
late model equipment? Based on your last one with pics, I doubt it. I
think I even made a comment that is why they go under - no investment
in tools or qualified workers. If you're running non-retrofitted tools
from the 1980's you're screwed. As a note there are at least 5 large
shops not far from me that are going gang busters. They are looking
for qualified workers and buying new machines. Guess it's a matter of
perspective.

Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

--
Bill

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch
Oh...I just returned from 2 weeks on Fullerton and Anaheim, closing down
and then auctioning yet another large California machine shop.

Don't tell me: the machines they have are late model highly efficient
cnc machines with the capability to compete with other shops that have
late model equipment? Based on your last one with pics, I doubt it. I
think I even made a comment that is why they go under - no investment
in tools or qualified workers. If you're running non-retrofitted tools
from the 1980's you're screwed. As a note there are at least 5 large
shops not far from me that are going gang busters. They are looking
for qualified workers and buying new machines. Guess it's a matter of
perspective.

So the hundreds of machine shops in So Cal went tits up because they
didnt have the latest and greatest machinery?

Fascinating!

So tell me, how Haas and Fadal are doing these days in new machine
sales?

I know of 2 machine tool dealers who went tits up in the last 6 months.

Must have sold themselves out of work, eh?

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.

So tell me...how many are they?

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html

http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.

And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?

Really?

Cites?

Gunner

[Bill]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

I'll give you some hints. If you know the business, you'll know who
they are:

Two are the large airframe shops in Santa Clarita. One of those being
the largest shop of that work in Los Angeles last I checked. Both just
hired more people. They work 12 hr shifts for the past year.

One is a mid size job shop in Santa Clarita specializing in valve
bodies who just purchased a very nice cell based system to add to
their existing cell based machines and they are looking for a MC
programmer. They keep a tight reign on payroll by automating wherever
possible.

One is the largest production turbine manufacturer in Ca located in
the Inland Empire who's doing very well and has so for 30+ years.
They've been acquiring and even building custom turbo machines

One is a small but growing shop in Simi Valley who has no debt and
owns their building.

If you can't figure out at least the first 4 shops, you have no clue
what's happening here in LA. Yes, shops who don't reinvest in new
methods will go under. It's always been that way, always will.

--
Bill

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

I'll give you some hints. If you know the business, you'll know who
Two are the large airframe shops in Santa Clarita. One of those being
the largest shop of that work in Los Angeles last I checked. Both just
hired more people. They work 12 hr shifts for the past year.
One is a mid size job shop in Santa Clarita specializing in valve
bodies who just purchased a very nice cell based system to add to
their existing cell based machines and they are looking for a MC
programmer. They keep a tight reign on payroll by automating wherever
possible.
One is the largest production turbine manufacturer in Ca located in
the Inland Empire who's doing very well and has so for 30+ years.
They've been acquiring and even building custom turbo machines
One is a small but growing shop in Simi Valley who has no debt and
owns their building.
If you can't figure out at least the first 4 shops, you have no clue
what's happening here in LA. Yes, shops who don't reinvest in new
methods will go under. It's always been that way, always will.

Ok, 4 shops, 2 doing military work, one doing work for water districts
and one doing more military work.

One supposes you dont see the pattern in there, does one?

And the other 10,000 machine shops in So Cal are doing how well?

Be specific, feel free to use as much whitespace as necessary.

Gunner

[Bill]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

I'll give you some hints. If you know the business, you'll know who
Two are the large airframe shops in Santa Clarita. One of those being
the largest shop of that work in Los Angeles last I checked. Both just
hired more people. They work 12 hr shifts for the past year.
One is a mid size job shop in Santa Clarita specializing in valve
bodies who just purchased a very nice cell based system to add to
their existing cell based machines and they are looking for a MC
programmer. They keep a tight reign on payroll by automating wherever
possible.
One is the largest production turbine manufacturer in Ca located in
the Inland Empire who's doing very well and has so for 30+ years.
They've been acquiring and even building custom turbo machines
One is a small but growing shop in Simi Valley who has no debt and
owns their building.
If you can't figure out at least the first 4 shops, you have no clue
what's happening here in LA. Yes, shops who don't reinvest in new
methods will go under. It's always been that way, always will.

Ok, 4 shops, 2 doing military work, one doing work for water districts
and one doing more military work.

Nope. 2 Big ones mostly commercial aircraft. Water districts??? You
are out of touch. Those would be very precision valves and valve
bodies of the hydraulic kind. The turbine work is mostly commercial
jet engine and some steam turbine type stuff. Very little military
these days. There is still a lot of commercial aircraft work here in
California if you look.

Post by Gunner Asch
One supposes you dont see the pattern in there, does one?

Yes. Commercial aviation has picked up over the last couple years.

Post by Gunner Asch
And the other 10,000 machine shops in So Cal are doing how well?

Depends on the type of work. If you do work that just about any other
shop can do you know the drill.

Post by Gunner Asch
Be specific, feel free to use as much whitespace as necessary.

I thought it was pretty specific. You asked about the shops - I told
you.

--
Bill

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

I'll give you some hints. If you know the business, you'll know who
Two are the large airframe shops in Santa Clarita. One of those being
the largest shop of that work in Los Angeles last I checked. Both just
hired more people. They work 12 hr shifts for the past year.
One is a mid size job shop in Santa Clarita specializing in valve
bodies who just purchased a very nice cell based system to add to
their existing cell based machines and they are looking for a MC
programmer. They keep a tight reign on payroll by automating wherever
possible.
One is the largest production turbine manufacturer in Ca located in
the Inland Empire who's doing very well and has so for 30+ years.
They've been acquiring and even building custom turbo machines
One is a small but growing shop in Simi Valley who has no debt and
owns their building.
If you can't figure out at least the first 4 shops, you have no clue
what's happening here in LA. Yes, shops who don't reinvest in new
methods will go under. It's always been that way, always will.

Ok, 4 shops, 2 doing military work, one doing work for water districts
and one doing more military work.

Nope. 2 Big ones mostly commercial aircraft. Water districts??? You
are out of touch. Those would be very precision valves and valve
bodies of the hydraulic kind. The turbine work is mostly commercial
jet engine and some steam turbine type stuff. Very little military
these days. There is still a lot of commercial aircraft work here in
California if you look.

Post by Gunner Asch
One supposes you dont see the pattern in there, does one?

Yes. Commercial aviation has picked up over the last couple years.

Post by Gunner Asch
And the other 10,000 machine shops in So Cal are doing how well?

Depends on the type of work. If you do work that just about any other
shop can do you know the drill.

Post by Gunner Asch
Be specific, feel free to use as much whitespace as necessary.

I thought it was pretty specific. You asked about the shops - I told
you.

You left out the other 10,000...well....now that so many of them have
closed the doors..the other 6,000

Gunner

[Garlicdude]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

I'll give you some hints. If you know the business, you'll know who
Two are the large airframe shops in Santa Clarita. One of those being
the largest shop of that work in Los Angeles last I checked. Both just
hired more people. They work 12 hr shifts for the past year.
One is a mid size job shop in Santa Clarita specializing in valve
bodies who just purchased a very nice cell based system to add to
their existing cell based machines and they are looking for a MC
programmer. They keep a tight reign on payroll by automating wherever
possible.
One is the largest production turbine manufacturer in Ca located in
the Inland Empire who's doing very well and has so for 30+ years.
They've been acquiring and even building custom turbo machines
One is a small but growing shop in Simi Valley who has no debt and
owns their building.
If you can't figure out at least the first 4 shops, you have no clue
what's happening here in LA. Yes, shops who don't reinvest in new
methods will go under. It's always been that way, always will.

Ok, 4 shops, 2 doing military work, one doing work for water districts
and one doing more military work.
One supposes you dont see the pattern in there, does one?
And the other 10,000 machine shops in So Cal are doing how well?
Be specific, feel free to use as much whitespace as necessary.
Gunner

I know that since 2001 the number of shops in the San Francisco Bay area has
dropped significantly.

Best,
Steve

[Bill]

Post by Gunner Asch
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

Oh yea, forgot to add: if you use Monster.com, type in "machinist" in
Ca. There are currently 94 openings of some type. "CNC Maintenance" 36
"CNC", 161 hits, "NC Programmer", 7, ( that's how I find some of my
contract work btw) I would think you could do the same?

--
Bill

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

Oh yea, forgot to add: if you use Monster.com, type in "machinist" in
Ca. There are currently 94 openings of some type. "CNC Maintenance" 36
"CNC", 161 hits, "NC Programmer", 7, ( that's how I find some of my
contract work btw) I would think you could do the same?

Im on the Monster list. As is known..I have little or no Fanuc
experience and dont have the $20k to go to their school.

And did you notice the various areas for those jobs?

Gunner

[Bill]

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

Oh yea, forgot to add: if you use Monster.com, type in "machinist" in
Ca. There are currently 94 openings of some type. "CNC Maintenance" 36
"CNC", 161 hits, "NC Programmer", 7, ( that's how I find some of my
contract work btw) I would think you could do the same?

Im on the Monster list.   As is known..I have little or no Fanuc
experience and dont have the $20k to go to their school.
And did you notice the various areas for those jobs?
Gunner

Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.

The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

--
Bill

[Gunner Asch]

Post by Bill

Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?
Gunner

Oh yea, forgot to add: if you use Monster.com, type in "machinist" in
Ca. There are currently 94 openings of some type. "CNC Maintenance" 36
"CNC", 161 hits, "NC Programmer", 7, ( that's how I find some of my
contract work btw) I would think you could do the same?

Im on the Monster list.   As is known..I have little or no Fanuc
experience and dont have the $20k to go to their school.
And did you notice the various areas for those jobs?
Gunner

Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.

Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?

Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.

Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.

Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Gunner

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?

tschus
pyotr

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!

Cool!

Gunner

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Dang, I'm just an old white guy.

tschus
pyotr

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:14:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Welll...there is nocotine..and Diet Mountain Dew....do those count?

And being Buddhist is ok?

Post by pyotr filipivich
Dang, I'm just an old white guy.
tschus
pyotr

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:14:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Welll...there is nocotine..and Diet Mountain Dew....do those count?

Oh you poor dear - poisoned by those greedy corporatists with
their toxin laden junk food. Close enough for Government work.

Post by Gunner Asch
And being Buddhist is ok?

Let me check - No, no entry for Bundist... oh wait, you're Native
American Buddhist. Yep, you're golden. [I had a friend who was
Anglo-Iroquois Bund ... ]

tschus
pyotr

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:40:48 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:14:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Welll...there is nocotine..and Diet Mountain Dew....do those count?

Oh you poor dear - poisoned by those greedy corporatists with
their toxin laden junk food. Close enough for Government work.

Post by Gunner Asch
And being Buddhist is ok?

Let me check - No, no entry for Bundist... oh wait, you're Native
American Buddhist. Yep, you're golden. [I had a friend who was
Anglo-Iroquois Bund ... ]
tschus
pyotr

Kewl dude!!!!


Gunner, now one of the "in group"

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:40:48 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:14:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

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Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Welll...there is nocotine..and Diet Mountain Dew....do those count?

Oh you poor dear - poisoned by those greedy corporatists with
their toxin laden junk food. Close enough for Government work.

Post by Gunner Asch
And being Buddhist is ok?

Let me check - No, no entry for Bundist... oh wait, you're Native
American Buddhist. Yep, you're golden. [I had a friend who was
Anglo-Iroquois Bund ... ]
tschus
pyotr

Kewl dude!!!!
Gunner, now one of the "in group"

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 27 May 2010 13:49:52 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:40:48 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:14:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:29:15 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Gunner Asch

Post by Bill
Years ago I considered myself a really good conventional machinist. I
took a lot of pride in my work. But as time went by I saw there was
less and less of that work. I figured out pretty quick that it was
time to learn programming to stay in the game. I took a cut in pay to
learn it. That's why you won't hear me bitch about not finding "my"
kind of work.
The fact you consider yourself machine repair type but with no Fanuc
experience is a huge handicap. You've allowed your skills to not be
perhaps what the market needs. Btw, I don't buy the "I don't have the
$20k..." cop out. If you wanted to learn it you could.

So where do I go to learn it Bill? Be specific.
Perhaps another machine tool repair guy will hire me and teach me?
Besides the ones now working at Home Depot, or those moved to Texas or
those struggling to simply keep the doors open.
Id be happy as hell to learn Fanuc.
Gonna teach me yourself for free?

Of course he is. You have a Right To An Education. As a Democrat
you ought to know that. The Liberals all owe you.
Especially as you are a wounded veteran Native American senior
citizen. Dang, were you born under a lucky star or what?
tschus
pyotr

OOOOH...I like that descriptin! WVNASC!!!
Cool!

Oh, it gets better. I forgot to ask, are you now, or have you
ever been, subject to an alcohol or other chemical dependency? Of
course you are. "Everybody Knows" that Native Americans just have a
Problem with Alcoholic Beverages. Remember, too, that Prescription
Painkillers count. Doesn't really matter how severe, or if you're
over it, you can add "in recovery" to your CV, and be even better off.
And you are of a non-majority Religion, too!

Welll...there is nocotine..and Diet Mountain Dew....do those count?

Oh you poor dear - poisoned by those greedy corporatists with
their toxin laden junk food. Close enough for Government work.

Post by Gunner Asch
And being Buddhist is ok?

Let me check - No, no entry for Bundist... oh wait, you're Native
American Buddhist. Yep, you're golden. [I had a friend who was
Anglo-Iroquois Bund ... ]
tschus
pyotr

Kewl dude!!!!
Gunner, now one of the "in group"

http://youtu.be/-Uv2wFPGJ4Y

Yes! A theme song and everything!!! Way way farmout man!!


Gunner

[Garlicdude]

Post by Bill
Oh yea, forgot to add: if you use Monster.com, type in "machinist" in
Ca. There are currently 94 openings of some type. "CNC Maintenance" 36
"CNC", 161 hits, "NC Programmer", 7, ( that's how I find some of my
contract work btw) I would think you could do the same?
--
Bill

The San Jose Mercury News used to have that many every weekend for just our area.

[pyotr filipivich]

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Post by Bill

Post by Gunner Asch
Oh...I just returned from 2 weeks on Fullerton and Anaheim, closing down
and then auctioning yet another large California machine shop.

Don't tell me: the machines they have are late model highly efficient
cnc machines with the capability to compete with other shops that have
late model equipment? Based on your last one with pics, I doubt it. I
think I even made a comment that is why they go under - no investment
in tools or qualified workers. If you're running non-retrofitted tools
from the 1980's you're screwed. As a note there are at least 5 large
shops not far from me that are going gang busters. They are looking
for qualified workers and buying new machines. Guess it's a matter of
perspective.

So the hundreds of machine shops in So Cal went tits up because they
didnt have the latest and greatest machinery?
Fascinating!
So tell me, how Haas and Fadal are doing these days in new machine
sales?
I know of 2 machine tool dealers who went tits up in the last 6 months.
Must have sold themselves out of work, eh?

Post by Bill
Now problems seems to be finding qualified workers. I get calls and
emails every week for programming in various parts of LA and the
country. Problem for me is not wanting to travel 70 miles each way
every day. Anyone who does good work and keeps their connections can
work as the shops I've been to are at full capacity.

The shops you have been to.
So tell me...how many are they?
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1577934.html
http://www.machinetools.com/us/auctions?c=230&s=22&by=location
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
Michigan again recorded the highest unemployment rate among the
states, 14.0 percent in April. The states with the next highest rates
were Nevada, 13.7 percent; California, 12.6 percent; and Rhode Island,
12.5 percent.
And yet you claim that overall..manufacturing is doing good in
California?
Really?
Cites?

They've got him to work chipping away in a Quandary, and as far as
he can see, there are guys, just like him, making stone tools. Ergo,
"manufacturing is doing good."

Of course, sales are off ....


pyotr