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Windows: complete POS. Microsoft: Half arsed fuckwits
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Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-10 16:46:19 UTC
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Here's the deal:

I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.

At least, that was the case.

Now, as parallel ports are disappearing from laptops and the like we're
starting to see the rise of USB-parallel leads.

No problem I thought, the driver for the cable must include a port that
can be used as normal.

Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.

A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many
people who are having the same problem but no solution.

Fearing a hidden api situation I do a little more digging and find that
I might be able to get at the port via its print monitor. No problem, it
uses the USB Printing Monitor DLL although to implement it properly and
generically so as to take account of any possible new tech in the future
I get it into my head to use the EnumMonitors() function to dig through
in a proper fashion. Guess what. The USB Printing Monitor doesn't exist
according to windows' EnumMonitors() function. Well that's a bit strange
seeing as Windows itself can find it for its spooler service!

I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.

What a POS from a complete bunch of half arsed fuckwits. They don't mind
supporting things properly themselves but screw anyone else. They're too
busy abandoning the APIs that have worked perfectly well for over a
decade to implement new stuff in a totally weird (and sometimes
undocumented) fashion.

And they wonder why their users are getting disenfranchised. Too much
shine too little substance just lately methinks.

Cue the shills.
7
2008-05-10 17:32:42 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
At least, that was the case.
Now, as parallel ports are disappearing from laptops and the like we're
starting to see the rise of USB-parallel leads.
No problem I thought, the driver for the cable must include a port that
can be used as normal.
Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.
?

There are plenty of USB to serial port converts available for $10.
They are indistiguishable to the apps. As soon as you plug
one in, a serial port turns up on your PC.
I use it all the time under Linux without any hassle*.

(*I assume its the same for the WINDUMMY OSen.)
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many
people who are having the same problem but no solution.
Fearing a hidden api situation I do a little more digging and find that
I might be able to get at the port via its print monitor. No problem, it
uses the USB Printing Monitor DLL although to implement it properly and
generically so as to take account of any possible new tech in the future
I get it into my head to use the EnumMonitors() function to dig through
in a proper fashion. Guess what. The USB Printing Monitor doesn't exist
according to windows' EnumMonitors() function. Well that's a bit strange
seeing as Windows itself can find it for its spooler service!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
What a POS from a complete bunch of half arsed fuckwits. They don't mind
supporting things properly themselves but screw anyone else. They're too
busy abandoning the APIs that have worked perfectly well for over a
decade to implement new stuff in a totally weird (and sometimes
undocumented) fashion.
And they wonder why their users are getting disenfranchised. Too much
shine too little substance just lately methinks.
Cue the shills.
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-10 17:42:01 UTC
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Post by 7
?
There are plenty of USB to serial port converts available for $10.
They are indistiguishable to the apps. As soon as you plug
one in, a serial port turns up on your PC.
I use it all the time under Linux without any hassle*.
(*I assume its the same for the WINDUMMY OSen.)
That's the assumption I made too. Unfortunately that's not the case.
Jim Relsh
2008-05-10 22:11:25 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by 7
?
There are plenty of USB to serial port converts available for $10.
They are indistiguishable to the apps. As soon as you plug
one in, a serial port turns up on your PC.
I use it all the time under Linux without any hassle*.
(*I assume its the same for the WINDUMMY OSen.)
That's the assumption I made too. Unfortunately that's not the case.
These serial to USB converter chips ussually have their own API from which
to access them. That's my experience with it.


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The Ghost In The Machine
2008-05-12 18:21:28 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jim Relsh
<***@timewarner.com>
wrote
on Sun, 11 May 2008 00:11:25 +0200
Post by Jim Relsh
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by 7
?
There are plenty of USB to serial port converts available for $10.
They are indistiguishable to the apps. As soon as you plug
one in, a serial port turns up on your PC.
I use it all the time under Linux without any hassle*.
(*I assume its the same for the WINDUMMY OSen.)
That's the assumption I made too. Unfortunately that's not the case.
These serial to USB converter chips ussually have their own API from which
to access them. That's my experience with it.
Oh no. WinUSBModems(tm)....

*groan*
Post by Jim Relsh
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Windows. Multi-platform(1), multi-tasking(1), multi-user(1).
(1) if one defines "multi" as "exactly one".
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Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-13 09:23:35 UTC
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Post by The Ghost In The Machine
Post by Jim Relsh
Post by Phil Da Lick!
That's the assumption I made too. Unfortunately that's not the case.
These serial to USB converter chips ussually have their own API from which
to access them. That's my experience with it.
Oh no. WinUSBModems(tm)....
*groan*
Bloody hope not!

Still, it's strange behaviour from a company that built its dominance on
the "every app looks and feels the same" approach of win3.1. Even some
of the apps that come out of redmond these days have their own unique UI
(titlebars and such). Instead of letting the graphical designers design
overall windows themes (after building a theming engine with xp and more
or less ignoring it) they're just bypassing the standard behaviour. Weird.
Ezekiel
2008-05-10 22:40:20 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at night you
put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is evil.

Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is released under
the GPL... right?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many people
who are having the same problem but no solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make your
living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to write
Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write Windows apps
and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't you man-up and quit
your Windows programming job and write free software?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Cue the shills.
Cue the hypocrites that make their living writing Windows software.


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Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 03:26:21 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at night you
put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is evil.
Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is released under
the GPL... right?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many people
who are having the same problem but no solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make your
living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to write
Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write Windows apps
and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't you man-up and quit
your Windows programming job and write free software?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Cue the shills.
Cue the hypocrites that make their living writing Windows software.
Yep.
Yet another Linux advocate hypocrite has been outed.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 14:47:31 UTC
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Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at night you
put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is evil.
Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is released under
the GPL... right?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many people
who are having the same problem but no solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make your
living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to write
Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write Windows apps
and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't you man-up and quit
your Windows programming job and write free software?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Cue the shills.
Cue the hypocrites that make their living writing Windows software.
Yep.
Yet another Linux advocate hypocrite has been outed.
Yep. That's right. To black and white fucknuts like yourself it's not
possible for anyone to use both Windows and Linux.

You sure showed me.
Hadron
2008-05-11 15:33:10 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes
raw data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big
deal, hardly rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the
port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at
night you put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is
evil.
Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is
released under the GPL... right?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that
windows itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler
so off I go onto a very frustrating search on google in which I
encounter many people who are having the same problem but no
solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make
your living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name
starts with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't
follow this convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to
write Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write
Windows apps and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't
you man-up and quit your Windows programming job and write free
software?
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Cue the shills.
Cue the hypocrites that make their living writing Windows software.
Yep.
Yet another Linux advocate hypocrite has been outed.
Yep. That's right. To black and white fucknuts like yourself it's not
possible for anyone to use both Windows and Linux.
You sure showed me.
You seem to have it wrong. Its the "advocates" who insult people who use
both.
Ron House
2008-05-12 00:40:49 UTC
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Post by Hadron
You seem to have it wrong. Its the "advocates" who insult people who use
both.
Funny time to make that complaint, in a thread where a doze shill just
did precisely that.
--
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http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house
Ron House
2008-05-12 00:39:14 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at night you
put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is evil.
Right there we can all see you're a M$ shill lying through your back
teeth. 14 years, he said? 1994? Linux was barely started in 1994, and M$
hadn't revealed their full evil and nastiness then. Why on god's earth
shouldn't he write a doze program in 1994? Answers? No? Lying moron.
And BTW, he didn't say doze was evil, he said it was a POS.
Post by Ezekiel
Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is released under
the GPL... right?
What's this? Why the F _should_ he release his app under the GPL? Where
in the original post did he mention any licencing issues, make any moral
statement about free versus proprietary software? He gave a
technological criticism of the crappiness of doze, start and finish. Of
course you can't handle that, so you try to misdirect the discussion. We
all see through scum like you, make no mistake.
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many people
who are having the same problem but no solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make your
living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to write
Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write Windows apps
and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't you man-up and quit
your Windows programming job and write free software?
Once again, 14 years. You want he should leave the users of his program
in the lurch, just so he has no reason to make perfectly valid
technological criticisms of your lords' and masters' rotten code? Dream
on, paid astroturfer.

And even if you were right that he was a hypocrite (but you're not), how
would that change the substance of the analysis of doze's screwed up code?

(Gosh there's just so many layers of dishonesty, malice, and hypocrisy
in these trolls' work.)
--
Ron House ***@usq.edu.au
http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house
Ethics website: http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house/goodness
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-12 00:47:05 UTC
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Post by Ron House
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
So during the day you write propreitary Windows software but at night you
put on your hypocrite hat and complain how Windows is evil.
Right there we can all see you're a M$ shill lying through your back
teeth. 14 years, he said? 1994? Linux was barely started in 1994, and M$
hadn't revealed their full evil and nastiness then. Why on god's earth
shouldn't he write a doze program in 1994? Answers? No? Lying moron.
And BTW, he didn't say doze was evil, he said it was a POS.
Post by Ezekiel
Where can I download the full source code to your app? It is released under
the GPL... right?
What's this? Why the F _should_ he release his app under the GPL? Where
in the original post did he mention any licencing issues, make any moral
statement about free versus proprietary software? He gave a
technological criticism of the crappiness of doze, start and finish. Of
course you can't handle that, so you try to misdirect the discussion. We
all see through scum like you, make no mistake.
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many people
who are having the same problem but no solution.
So you're a Windows developer. What a surprise. Why don't you make your
living writing free software instead.
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It is *YOU* who elects to write
Windows software for a living. Nobody is forcing you to write Windows apps
and nobody is forcing you to use USBMON.DLL. Why don't you man-up and quit
your Windows programming job and write free software?
Once again, 14 years. You want he should leave the users of his program
in the lurch, just so he has no reason to make perfectly valid
technological criticisms of your lords' and masters' rotten code? Dream
on, paid astroturfer.
And even if you were right that he was a hypocrite (but you're not), how
would that change the substance of the analysis of doze's screwed up code?
(Gosh there's just so many layers of dishonesty, malice, and hypocrisy
in these trolls' work.)
Yet another example of a Linux *advocate* in need of anger management
classes.

What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Susan Bladder
2008-05-12 00:49:03 UTC
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Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Rick
2008-05-12 01:10:01 UTC
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:47:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
(snip)
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Yet another example of a Linux *advocate* in need of anger management
classes.
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
What is it with you shills that makes you lie so much?
--
Rick
William Poaster
2008-05-12 11:47:58 UTC
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:47:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote: (snip)
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Yet another example of a Linux *advocate* in need of anger management
classes.
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
What is it with you shills that makes you lie so much?
The only thing we're hostile to, IMHO, are the Windows using trolls,
zealots & shills. For EG:

Moshe Goldfarb aka Flatfish - troll.

DFS - Windows zealot & troll.

Hardon Quack - Windows troll & M$ shill.
--
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This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
Ezekiel
2008-05-12 12:12:12 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:47:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote: (snip)
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Yet another example of a Linux *advocate* in need of anger management
classes.
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
What is it with you shills that makes you lie so much?
The only thing we're hostile to, IMHO, are the Windows using trolls,
Moshe Goldfarb aka Flatfish - troll.
DFS - Windows zealot & troll.
Hardon Quack - Windows troll & M$ shill.
--
Mandriva 2008.1 64-bit.
This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
Another completely worthless message from dumb Willy. Can anyone show me a
single post from this retard that isn't a personal attack against someone?



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Hadron
2008-05-12 12:29:08 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by William Poaster
On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:47:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote: (snip)
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Yet another example of a Linux *advocate* in need of anger management
classes.
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
What is it with you shills that makes you lie so much?
The only thing we're hostile to, IMHO, are the Windows using trolls,
Moshe Goldfarb aka Flatfish - troll.
DFS - Windows zealot & troll.
Hardon Quack - Windows troll & M$ shill.
--
Mandriva 2008.1 64-bit.
This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
Another completely worthless message from dumb Willy. Can anyone show me a
single post from this retard that isn't a personal attack against someone?
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
And I challenge him to post a link to me shilling MS. He seems to think
that me thinking him a bit of a twit means that I support MS. I do not
support MS. I am, however, anti COLA "advocates" who do more harm than
good to the Linux cause with their lies and general madness.
Ron House
2008-05-12 05:04:41 UTC
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Post by Moshe Goldfarb
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
Who raised anything but tech issues? The M$ shill. Who mentioned anger
and hostility? Another M$ shill. Who tried to redirect the discussion a
second time after getting called for it the first? An M$ shill. What is
it with you M$ shills that makes you so hostile?
--
Ron House ***@usq.edu.au
http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house
DFS
2008-05-12 05:26:52 UTC
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Post by Ron House
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
Who raised anything but tech issues?
The OP, of course: "Cue the shills."
Post by Ron House
Who mentioned anger and hostility?
The OP, of course:
"Can you fucking read?"
"fucknuts"
"downright fucking lame"
Post by Ron House
Who tried to redirect the discussion
a second time after getting called for it the first?
HPT the "advocate" tried to fork the thread the first time, when he tried to
lie that USB works fine in Ubuntu.
Post by Ron House
What is it with you M$ shills that makes you so hostile?
Only cola lusers, including you, shrieked and cursed in this thread.
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-12 07:15:56 UTC
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Post by DFS
Who tried to redirect the discussion a second time after
getting called for it the first?
HPT the "advocate" tried to fork the thread the first time,
when he tried to lie that USB works fine in Ubuntu.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

10. Refuse to admit your errors. Never ever admit your errors no
matter how blatant they are. If you find no way out and have to
admit that you are wrong, phrase it so that you can accuse your
opponent of being wrong.
Post by DFS
What is it with you M$ shills that makes you so hostile?
Only cola lusers, including you, shrieked and cursed in this
thread.
[1.] Act offended or claim that opposing viewpoints are
incredible and/or unbelievable. When you are unable to valid
argument to refute a Linux advocate, use empty statements such as:
* "OH PULEEEZE!"
* "Only a Linonut would say that"
* "And they wonder why no one takes Linux seriously!"
* "How dare you say that!"
* "That's the way to offend thousands!"
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Ron House
2008-05-13 02:44:30 UTC
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Post by DFS
Post by Ron House
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
What is it with you Linux loons that makes you so hostile?
Who raised anything but tech issues?
The OP, of course: "Cue the shills."
That's it? Cue the shills? That's a successful prediction, not an issue.
All the off-topic issues were raised by Bill's paid fan club.
--
Ron House ***@usq.edu.au
http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/house
Tom Shelton
2008-05-11 02:45:33 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
At least, that was the case.
Now, as parallel ports are disappearing from laptops and the like we're
starting to see the rise of USB-parallel leads.
No problem I thought, the driver for the cable must include a port that
can be used as normal.
Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many
people who are having the same problem but no solution.
Fearing a hidden api situation I do a little more digging and find that
I might be able to get at the port via its print monitor. No problem, it
uses the USB Printing Monitor DLL although to implement it properly and
generically so as to take account of any possible new tech in the future
I get it into my head to use the EnumMonitors() function to dig through
in a proper fashion. Guess what. The USB Printing Monitor doesn't exist
according to windows' EnumMonitors() function. Well that's a bit strange
seeing as Windows itself can find it for its spooler service!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow this
convention I'm back to square one.
What a POS from a complete bunch of half arsed fuckwits. They don't mind
supporting things properly themselves but screw anyone else. They're too
busy abandoning the APIs that have worked perfectly well for over a
decade to implement new stuff in a totally weird (and sometimes
undocumented) fashion.
And they wonder why their users are getting disenfranchised. Too much
shine too little substance just lately methinks.
Cue the shills.
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
--
Tom Shelton
Linonut
2008-05-11 13:55:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Shelton
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.
. . .
Cue the shills.
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
Turn him on to some documentation, then.
--
It turns out Luddites don't know how to use software properly, so you should
look into that. -- The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix
bugs. It's absolutely not. It's the stupidest reason to buy a new version I
ever heard. When we do a new version we put in lots of new things that
people are asking for. And so, in no sense, is stability a reason to move to
a new version. It's never a reason.
-- Bill Gates, http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
Tom Shelton
2008-05-11 16:49:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Linonut
Post by Tom Shelton
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.
. . .
Cue the shills.
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
Turn him on to some documentation, then.
MSDN - search fro SetupDiEnumInterfaces.
--
Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 16:18:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Shelton
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
My first instinct is that won't work, the virtual port is not listed in
device manager, however EnumPorts() does list it.

CreateFile definitely does not work, even using the "\\\\.\\" prefix.

I'm starting to get the "hidden api" sinking feeling, at the very least
perhaps some kind of "extension" that completely bypasses the intended
API for developers to use comm ports.
Tom Shelton
2008-05-11 16:53:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by Tom Shelton
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
My first instinct is that won't work, the virtual port is not listed in
device manager, however EnumPorts() does list it.
CreateFile definitely does not work, even using the "\\\\.\\" prefix.
I'm starting to get the "hidden api" sinking feeling, at the very least
perhaps some kind of "extension" that completely bypasses the intended
API for developers to use comm ports.
I don't think the port name returned by EnumPorts is what is expected.
Like I said, it's been a long while - but you should look into the
SetupDiEnumInterfaces and friends. I believe that is the proper way to
get the path needed for CreateFile. I could be wrong - since I haven't
done this for a long timg :)
--
Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 17:21:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Shelton
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by Tom Shelton
I think your doing it wrong. It's been a while, so the details
are fuzzy - but as far as I know, CreateFile should work, but
your device name is probably incorrect. I think you have to use the
SetupDiXXX functions to get the path to the device interface.
My first instinct is that won't work, the virtual port is not listed in
device manager, however EnumPorts() does list it.
CreateFile definitely does not work, even using the "\\\\.\\" prefix.
I'm starting to get the "hidden api" sinking feeling, at the very least
perhaps some kind of "extension" that completely bypasses the intended
API for developers to use comm ports.
I don't think the port name returned by EnumPorts is what is expected.
Like I said, it's been a long while - but you should look into the
SetupDiEnumInterfaces and friends. I believe that is the proper way to
get the path needed for CreateFile. I could be wrong - since I haven't
done this for a long timg :)
Well as I stated in my original post, the name returned by EnumPorts is
fine for all com, lpt ports, in short any port listed as a port in the
device manager. I've even had a remote port over the network working
using this technique. The problem seems to be with the virtual port
subsystem.

I'm currently using EnumMonitors to search for the port name and hit the
dll's internal OpenPort() but EnumMonitors isn't returning all the
monitors either.

Grrrr!
DFS
2008-05-11 03:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phil Da Lick!
I've got an app I've been maintaining for 14 years now that writes raw
data down the serial ports to specialist printers. No big deal, hardly
rocket science. Quick call to CreateFile() with the port name, job done.
At least, that was the case.
Now, as parallel ports are disappearing from laptops and the like
we're starting to see the rise of USB-parallel leads.
No problem I thought, the driver for the cable must include a port
that can be used as normal.
Boy was I in for a shock. You see, the driver does indeed install a
port. Sort of. You see, it depends on which API function you ask.
EnumPorts() does indeed list the port (USB001). Promising start.
However, CreateFile() fails with a port does not exist code.
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific device
attached to a port."

http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Post by Phil Da Lick!
A quick play with the printers app in control panel shows that windows
itself has no trouble writing to this port via its spooler so off I go
onto a very frustrating search on google in which I encounter many
people who are having the same problem but no solution.
Fearing a hidden api situation I do a little more digging and find
that I might be able to get at the port via its print monitor. No
problem, it uses the USB Printing Monitor DLL although to implement
it properly and generically so as to take account of any possible new
tech in the future I get it into my head to use the EnumMonitors()
function to dig through in a proper fashion. Guess what. The USB
Printing Monitor doesn't exist according to windows' EnumMonitors()
function. Well that's a bit strange seeing as Windows itself can find
it for its spooler service!
I'm now forced to hit USBMON.DLL myself direct if the port name starts
with "USB", however if a port ever comes along that doesn't follow
this convention I'm back to square one.
What a POS from a complete bunch of half arsed fuckwits. They don't
mind supporting things properly themselves but screw anyone else.
They're too busy abandoning the APIs that have worked perfectly well
for over a decade to implement new stuff in a totally weird (and
sometimes undocumented) fashion.
And they wonder why their users are getting disenfranchised. Too much
shine too little substance just lately methinks.
Cue the shills.
I'm thinking PEBKAC.
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 14:46:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific device
attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
DFS
2008-05-11 15:13:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific
device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Let us know when the bulb lights up above your pinhead and you realize what
you were doing wrong.
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 15:19:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific
device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Let us know when the bulb lights up above your pinhead and you realize what
you were doing wrong.
First he has to install batteries which if his lack of programming skills
are any indication, he will have problems.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Vince Fontain
2008-05-11 15:21:37 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 16:06:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific
device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Let us know when the bulb lights up above your pinhead and you realize what
you were doing wrong.
When you get some basic comprehension and realise what I am attempting
to do then perhaps you may comment on whether it is correct or not.
However for those people with more intelligence than a grape,
EnumPorts() returning a reference to a port which does not exist
according to CreateFile() (which is the proper way to talk to a comms
port in Windows) is downright fucking lame.
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-11 15:16:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a
specific device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
There's a high sense of illiteracy among the trolls in this
newsgroup, DFS included.

USB works fine in Ubuntu. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last
night. It works fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite. As a
software developer, he is an enigma. If he simply used the
software, he would understand. His drivel indicates that he
doesn't. His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
DFS
2008-05-11 15:33:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a
specific device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
There's a high sense of illiteracy among the trolls in this
newsgroup, DFS included.
USB works fine in Ubuntu.
"I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy; and noticed this bug start: Whenever I'm
using Firefox (2.0); after a while, my USB mouse freezes..."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-341555.html

"My usb mouse will freeze (with no regular timing) after I wake up from a
screen blank."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-341555.html

"I can't start when I have my external USB hard drive connected."
http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470024

"...what causes the most problems in this case is the USB WLAN device I
have, because it sometimes would "crash" do to the USB connection failing
(USB works fine in Windows)."
http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905&page=51
Post by High Plains Thumper
Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last
night. It works fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite.
"Hardy is BY FAR the worst Ubuntu version yet. LOCKUP WARNING!!! Some
users, myself included, are experiencing random total lockups."
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/204996

"I have given Ubuntu a chance off and on for the last three years with
nothing but problems."
#31 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768200&page=4

"Every time I try to boot Ubuntu 8.04, I get this error message:"The greater
application appears to be crashing, attempting to use a different one." I
can't boot up because of it, the message just loops over and over."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=237324
Post by High Plains Thumper
As a
software developer, he is an enigma. If he simply used the
software, he would understand.
What's to understand?
Post by High Plains Thumper
His drivel indicates that he
doesn't. His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-11 15:35:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
DFS
2008-05-11 15:43:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
Shouldn't you be manning the Ubuntu forums, helping all those users with the
USB problems that you claim don't exist?
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 15:51:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
Shouldn't you be manning the Ubuntu forums, helping all those users with the
USB problems that you claim don't exist?
He also self nuked......

You said:

"Looks like nobody can get Linux to "properly work".

He replied:

Nobody != DFS

So that means since nobody is NOT equal to DFS, then DFS CAN make Linux
work....

Another fine self nuke by HPT.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
William Poaster
2008-05-11 17:31:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me seriously doubt he
develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish.

What bunch of incompetants.
--
Mandriva 2008.1 64-bit.
This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-11 21:49:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.

Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 21:52:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.
Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
You didn't spoof anybody you trolling boob.
You screwed up and you know it.

You're just an idiot High Plains Humper....

Nothing more.
Nothing less.

Still haven't figured it out yet have you?

Hahahahahha!
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Wobbles
2008-05-11 21:52:49 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Hadron
2008-05-11 21:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.
Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
You didn't spoof anybody you trolling boob.
You screwed up and you know it.
You're just an idiot High Plains Humper....
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Hahahahahha!
What spoof is that nutcase waffling on about? Don't tell me he tried
posting about C++ and f*cked up?

maybe he should try his hand at anti-aliasing next!
--
If you take both of those factors together then WinXP is a flop, selling
*less* than Win 98 by a factor of two.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they the lunacy in advocacy
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 22:03:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hadron
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.
Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
You didn't spoof anybody you trolling boob.
You screwed up and you know it.
You're just an idiot High Plains Humper....
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Hahahahahha!
What spoof is that nutcase waffling on about? Don't tell me he tried
posting about C++ and f*cked up?
maybe he should try his hand at anti-aliasing next!
DFS wrote:

"Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".

Then the trolling idiot HPT wrote:

nobody != DFS

Which of course means DFS *can* get Linux to properly work.

Once again the tolling boob HPT screws up.

Now he is trying to cover his tracks by pretending it was a *spoof*.

What an idiot.

Also, he still hasn't figured out what gives away his trolling activities.
Really funny stuff.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
organ creep
2008-05-11 22:08:06 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Hadron
2008-05-11 22:08:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by Hadron
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.
Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
You didn't spoof anybody you trolling boob.
You screwed up and you know it.
You're just an idiot High Plains Humper....
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Hahahahahha!
What spoof is that nutcase waffling on about? Don't tell me he tried
posting about C++ and f*cked up?
maybe he should try his hand at anti-aliasing next!
"Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
Which of course means DFS *can* get Linux to properly work.
Once again the tolling boob HPT screws up.
Oh dear me. And I see he's gloating his "C++" - trying to impress
us. LOL. The old case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing once
more!
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Now he is trying to cover his tracks by pretending it was a *spoof*.
What an idiot.
Also, he still hasn't figured out what gives away his trolling activities.
Really funny stuff.
Really? I thought someone had told him by now. I suspect Willy knows (he
is the king of filters after all) but probably doesn't like HPT either
for his constant gaffs and the general rubbish he posts. All he ever
seems to do is get things wrong and post other peoples work!
--
* JHM wonders what Joey did to earn "I'd just like to say, for the record,
that Joey rules."
-- Seen on #Debian
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 22:24:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hadron
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by Hadron
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish. What bunch of incompetents.
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional. Interesting the replies I got. PhlatPhish goes off
like a sky rocket with his "fynd". DFS came back with something
equally lame.
Popcorn in one hand and a Diet Coke(R) in the other, this is
entertaining.
You didn't spoof anybody you trolling boob.
You screwed up and you know it.
You're just an idiot High Plains Humper....
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Hahahahahha!
What spoof is that nutcase waffling on about? Don't tell me he tried
posting about C++ and f*cked up?
maybe he should try his hand at anti-aliasing next!
"Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
Which of course means DFS *can* get Linux to properly work.
Once again the tolling boob HPT screws up.
Oh dear me. And I see he's gloating his "C++" - trying to impress
us. LOL. The old case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing once
more!
Yea, HPT is great at putting his foot in his mouth.
A real *professional*.
Post by Hadron
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Now he is trying to cover his tracks by pretending it was a *spoof*.
What an idiot.
Also, he still hasn't figured out what gives away his trolling activities.
Really funny stuff.
Really? I thought someone had told him by now. I suspect Willy knows (he
is the king of filters after all) but probably doesn't like HPT either
for his constant gaffs and the general rubbish he posts. All he ever
seems to do is get things wrong and post other peoples work!
I suspect you are correct that Willy doesn't like HPT but tolerates him
much the way the Linux Loons tolerate morons like Ruby, 7, Doug and so
forth.

What choice do they have?
If they objected to the common idiocy these boobs post day after day their
wouldn't be any Linux loons left!

As it stands now, it's the same 5 Linux boobs rubbing nipples with each
other every day.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
John Smith
2008-05-11 22:28:34 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
DFS
2008-05-11 22:04:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional.
!= is an equality or comparison operator, you drooling bozo. And it's not
unique to C++.
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 22:07:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional.
!= is an equality or comparison operator, you drooling bozo. And it's not
unique to C++.
The more High Plains Humper talks the deeper the hole he digs for his
pathetic body.

What a MAROOOOOOOOOOOON!
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Manny
2008-05-11 22:08:17 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
DFS
2008-05-11 22:09:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
True. Get this, I spoof 'em by slipping in the C++ NOT_EQUAL
conditional.
!= is an equality or comparison operator, you drooling bozo. And
it's not unique to C++.
The more High Plains Humper talks the deeper the hole he digs for his
pathetic body.
What a MAROOOOOOOOOOOON!
ha!

Say it loud! I'm dumb and proud! MAROOOOOOOOOOOON!
DFS
2008-05-12 05:22:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me seriously
doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
nobody != DFS
And Hardon Quack, & Flatfish.
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-13 02:44:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
incompetants != incompetents

incompetants := trolls

Game-Room-Desktop:~$ find / -name "incompetants" -print

[quote]
find: /etc/.advocates: Permission denied.
/home/Hadron/incompetants
/home/DFS/incompetants
/home/Ezekiel/incompetants
/home/Moshe_Goldfarb/incompetants
[/quote]
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
William Poaster
2008-05-13 09:05:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
DooFu$ the nazi grammmmur & sleppin trool.
Post by High Plains Thumper
incompetants != incompetents
incompetants := trolls
Game-Room-Desktop:~$ find / -name "incompetants" -print
[quote]
find: /etc/.advocates: Permission denied. /home/Hadron/incompetants
/home/DFS/incompetants
/home/Ezekiel/incompetants
/home/Moshe_Goldfarb/incompetants
[/quote]
Heh!
--
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This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-14 04:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
DooFu$ the nazi grammmmur & sleppin trool.
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to
Peter?
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
incompetants != incompetents
incompetants := trolls
Game-Room-Desktop:~$ find / -name "incompetants" -print
[quote]
find: /etc/.advocates: Permission denied. /home/Hadron/incompetants
/home/DFS/incompetants
/home/Ezekiel/incompetants
/home/Moshe_Goldfarb/incompetants
[/quote]
Heh!
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Andrea Szaba
2008-05-14 10:51:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
DooFu$ the nazi grammmmur & sleppin trool.
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
LMAO
Rafael
2008-05-14 23:45:07 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
William Poaster
2008-05-14 11:40:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
DooFu$ the nazi grammmmur & sleppin trool.
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
Probably on his yacht somewhere.
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
incompetants != incompetents
incompetants := trolls
Game-Room-Desktop:~$ find / -name "incompetants" -print
[quote]
find: /etc/.advocates: Permission denied. /home/Hadron/incompetants
/home/DFS/incompetants
/home/Ezekiel/incompetants
/home/Moshe_Goldfarb/incompetants
[/quote]
Heh!
--
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This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
Hadron
2008-05-14 11:59:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by William Poaster
Post by DFS
Post by William Poaster
What bunch of incompetants.
incompetants = incompetents, you incompetent.
DooFu$ the nazi grammmmur & sleppin trool.
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
Probably on his yacht somewhere.
Yup.

http://www.hangsim.com/vs/boats.php?dzone=sboats

Windows Only.
chrisv
2008-05-14 12:29:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
Probably on his yacht somewhere.
Probably, as usual for this time of year. Seems he's been gone longer
than usual this year, however...
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-14 14:22:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by William Poaster
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
Probably on his yacht somewhere.
Probably, as usual for this time of year. Seems he's been gone longer
than usual this year, however...
He probably forgot how to get home.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Rafael
2008-05-14 23:54:07 UTC
Permalink
http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx

Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for certain
phrases, makes comments taken from a database and spits out the stuff to
every corner of the Internet.
Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually creates so
much shite aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's right, NO-ONE wants to
read, that you've single-handedly reduced the appeal and effectiveness of
a newsgroup.

Please, go create another group and move to it. If you really have a
voice someone wants to listen to, you'll get them moving over to it.

You can get treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder you know !
Linonut
2008-05-15 11:46:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rafael
http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx
Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for certain
phrases, makes comments taken from a database and spits out the stuff to
every corner of the Internet.
Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually creates so
much shite aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's right, NO-ONE wants to
read, that you've single-handedly reduced the appeal and effectiveness of
a newsgroup.
Time for these dudes:

http://www.unfuck.org/

Spoiled by ads, unfortunately.
--
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't
lose.
-- Bill Gates
Yanick Schmuley
2008-05-15 15:52:51 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Linonut
2008-05-14 14:47:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by William Poaster
Where's Peter Kohlmann when you need him? BTW, what happened to Peter?
Probably on his yacht somewhere.
Probably, as usual for this time of year. Seems he's been gone longer
than usual this year, however...
Those damn Europeans and their month-long vacations!

Signed,

Pitiable American wage-slave
--
I really had a lot of dreams when I was a kid, and I think a great deal of
that grew out of the fact that I had a chance to read a lot.
-- Bill Gates
DFS
2008-05-14 14:58:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Linonut
Those damn Europeans and their month-long vacations!
Signed,
Pitiable American wage-slave
Who apparently earns his slave wages by posting to cola all day long from
the job.

You have Windows code to write, fella. Get snapping.
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 15:47:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a
specific device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
There's a high sense of illiteracy among the trolls in this
newsgroup, DFS included.
USB works fine in Ubuntu.
"I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy; and noticed this bug start: Whenever I'm
using Firefox (2.0); after a while, my USB mouse freezes..."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-341555.html
"My usb mouse will freeze (with no regular timing) after I wake up from a
screen blank."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-341555.html
"I can't start when I have my external USB hard drive connected."
http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470024
"...what causes the most problems in this case is the USB WLAN device I
have, because it sometimes would "crash" do to the USB connection failing
(USB works fine in Windows)."
http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587905&page=51
Post by High Plains Thumper
Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last
night. It works fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite.
"Hardy is BY FAR the worst Ubuntu version yet. LOCKUP WARNING!!! Some
users, myself included, are experiencing random total lockups."
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/204996
"I have given Ubuntu a chance off and on for the last three years with
nothing but problems."
#31 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768200&page=4
"Every time I try to boot Ubuntu 8.04, I get this error message:"The greater
application appears to be crashing, attempting to use a different one." I
can't boot up because of it, the message just loops over and over."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=237324
Post by High Plains Thumper
As a
software developer, he is an enigma. If he simply used the
software, he would understand.
What's to understand?
Post by High Plains Thumper
His drivel indicates that he
doesn't. His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
Here is another one:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Review_Hardy_Heron_converts_an_Ubuntu_skeptic

"'Ive had the complete opposite experience with Ubuntu, I loved 6.06
through 7.10, but Hardy Heron doesn't even boot on my computer, so I've
looked at numerous other distros to try, and the only ones I could get to
work were Fedora, Debian and Gentoo, and I stuck with Gentoo, and I
couldn't be happier. :)"


It looks like Linux is getting worse by the day.

Maybe the Linux loons can figure out a way to blame that on Microsoft.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Trina Swallows
2008-05-11 15:51:46 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-12 01:37:47 UTC
Permalink
Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last night. It works
fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite.
"Hardy is BY FAR the <Trollshite snipped>
Hardy is working for me. Hit the "UPGRADE" button in "System >
Administration > Update Manager. It did its magic. 13,000 files
downloaded and two hours, I was up and running on Hardy.

Hardy is like Campbell soups, "Mmmm, Mmmm, good". Lost my FoxTor
in FireFox, but gained FoxyProxy, back to business with the best
of them. Viewed the Yahoo videos on Myanmar disaster news,
checked my internet shopping status, did a little editing of my
journal in OpenOffice Write, etc. Just checked the temperature
in the Weather Report 2.22.1 application in task bar, outside it
is 70 Deg F, radar map shows all clear.

ATI video is working just fine. Another unemotional "works fine"
upgrade.

OTOH, things are not so fine in the Microsoft camp:

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/05/no_hurry_for_wi.html

[quote]

No Hurry For Windows Vista And XP Service Packs

Posted by Dave Methvin, May 9, 2008 12:09 PM

After finding a few last-minute problems with Vista Service Pack
1 and XP Service Pack 3, Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) delayed
deployment on both of them. Now they're both back and ready for
download, either manually or through Windows Update.

Hold on there, pilgrim! There's no hurry. Urgent updates such as
security patches are delivered as soon as they're available. The
additional patches in service packs deal with problems that are
not security issues. The Vista file copy performance problem, for
example, has been fixed by Vista SP1, along with dozens of other
issues. The XP SP3 fix list is similarly impressive. Yet there's
no need to jump right on to installing these service packs unless
they fix a problem you urgently need to solve.

Don't fool yourself, there can be problems caused by service
packs. Every new service pack release can be guaranteed to be
chased by a news story about users whose systems have been
brought low by it. But heck, XP SP3 is a minor update when
compared with the incompatibilities of XP SP2; up to 10% of
systems had issues with that one.
[/quote]
As a software developer, he is an enigma. If he simply
used the software, he would understand.
What's to understand?
His drivel indicates that he doesn't. His inability to
get Linux to properly work makes me seriously doubt he
develops software.
Looks like almost nobody can get Linux to "properly work".
Expected of lusers such as Hadron and DFS.

IF (IOR(LHADRON,LDFS).NE.TROLLSHITE) GOTO 400
WRITE(6,200)
200 FORMAT(' TROLLSHITE FOUND.')
400 CONTINUE
Here is another one: <more trollshite snipped>
It looks like Linux is getting worse by the day.
Maybe the Linux loons can figure out a way to blame that on
Microsoft.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/microsofts-vista-problem/

[quote]
April 25, 2008, 1:40 pm
Microsoft’s Vista Problem

By Steve Lohr
Vista

Microsoft keeps insisting that Windows Vista is a winner, but the
questions keep mounting — and Thursday’s quarterly report only
added to the doubts.

Revenue from the company’s so-called client division — PC
operating systems mainly — came in at a bit under $4.03 billion.
That was about $300 million less than most analysts had expected.

[....]

InfoWorld’s “Save Windows XP” campaign, begun in January, now has
collected more than 160,000 signatures to its online petition.
[/quote]

Vista is the best thing that ever happened to Linux. Linux $300
million more, Microsoft $300 million less.
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-12 01:51:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last night. It works
fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite.
"Hardy is BY FAR the <Trollshite snipped>
Hardy is working for me. Hit the "UPGRADE" button in "System >
Administration > Update Manager. It did its magic. 13,000 files
downloaded and two hours, I was up and running on Hardy.
Good...
Now you can take your sorry trolling ass out of COLA and go over to the
Ubuntu groups where you just might be able to do some good and help people
fix their problems because there are massive stability problems with Hardy
Hardon....
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
phoung
2008-05-12 01:54:11 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-12 03:59:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Hardy is working for me. Hit the "UPGRADE" button in "System >
Administration > Update Manager. It did its magic. 13,000 files
downloaded and two hours, I was up and running on Hardy.
Good... Now you can take your sorry trolling ass out of COLA and go over
to the Ubuntu groups where you just might be able to do some good and
help people fix their problems because there are massive stability
problems with Hardy Hardon....
Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! Damn, sprayed a mouthful of coffee on my monitor
screen. Moshe AKA PhlatPhish, the Usenet COP, calling advocates trolls.
This guy is a real riot!

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

What part of:

[quote]
1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy

The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:

For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
systems.

That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
gather in order to discredit Linux.
[/quote]

Does Moshe not understand?

Profound truth expressed by an outsider about Moshe AKA Flatfish:

http://tinyurl.com/6m6a8c

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Subject: Re: [News] Red Hat Developer's Update on PulseAudio, Fedora Live
CDs Interview
Message-ID: ***@66.250.146.128
Date: 11 Apr 2008 18:53:55 GMT

[Quote]
Dan, you're probably a nice guy, but we get a ton of "works for me" crap
in COLA and most times it's just people telling lies.
Well sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm not in COLA. I'm reading these posts
in the Ubuntu group. The only reason they are going to COLA is because
whomever started the thread had it crossposted there...and to Vista
groups, which I removed because this has nothing to do with Vista.

I'm NOT a Linux pusher, I still use Windows most of the time since I'd
just installed Linux a few weeks ago, maybe a month+ ago, and still
checking out apps and learning Linux. There are things I like and things I
don't like.

Believe what you want to believe. It's painfully obvious that you are
completely anti-Linux, just like some are completely anti-MS, and have
such strong preconceived beliefs that it doesn't really matter what anyone
says about any particular Linux item, everyone's a liar, and nothing works
out-of-the-box.
[/Quote]
--
HPT
William Poaster
2008-05-12 11:50:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Hardy is working for me. Hit the "UPGRADE" button in "System >
Administration > Update Manager. It did its magic. 13,000 files
downloaded and two hours, I was up and running on Hardy.
Good... Now you can take your sorry trolling ass out of COLA and go over
to the Ubuntu groups where you just might be able to do some good and
help people fix their problems because there are massive stability
problems with Hardy Hardon....
Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! Damn, sprayed a mouthful of coffee on my monitor screen.
Moshe AKA PhlatPhish, the Usenet COP, calling advocates trolls. This guy
is a real riot!
Isn't he! I think you forgot to add *kook* to your list.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
[quote]
1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
systems.
That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
gather in order to discredit Linux.
[/quote]
Does Moshe not understand?
http://tinyurl.com/6m6a8c
[News] Red Hat Developer's Update on PulseAudio, Fedora Live CDs Interview
Apr 2008 18:53:55 GMT
[Quote]
Dan, you're probably a nice guy, but we get a ton of "works for me" crap
in COLA and most times it's just people telling lies.
Well sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm not in COLA. I'm reading these posts
in the Ubuntu group. The only reason they are going to COLA is because
whomever started the thread had it crossposted there...and to Vista
groups, which I removed because this has nothing to do with Vista.
I'm NOT a Linux pusher, I still use Windows most of the time since I'd
just installed Linux a few weeks ago, maybe a month+ ago, and still
checking out apps and learning Linux. There are things I like and things I
don't like.
Believe what you want to believe. It's painfully obvious that you are
completely anti-Linux, just like some are completely anti-MS, and have
such strong preconceived beliefs that it doesn't really matter what anyone
says about any particular Linux item, everyone's a liar, and nothing works
out-of-the-box.
[/Quote]
--
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This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
DFS
2008-05-12 13:35:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! Damn, sprayed a mouthful of coffee on my monitor
screen. Moshe AKA PhlatPhish, the Usenet COP, calling advocates
trolls. This guy is a real riot!
Troll would be a big step up for most cola Linux "advocates".

And I notice you slunk away when I asked you the same thing: why aren't you
in the Ubuntu forums helping fix the avalanche of problem reports?
Shouldn't you be "advocating" and actually helping to fix Linux problems,
instead of ridiculously denying they exist?
Post by High Plains Thumper
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
[quote]
1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems.
That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the
newsgroup as a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss
Linux, for the betterment of the Linux community and the promotion
and development of Linux. It supports this as a place for those who
would like to learn more about Linux to come to learn from those
who know Linux. It does not call for it to be a place where the
anti-Linux propagandists to gather in order to discredit Linux.
[/quote]
Does Moshe not understand?
You weenies are deathly afraid to discuss the [massive] shortcomings of
Linux, so you lie, run, deny, attack the poster, and snip.

And several dozen times a day Roy 'Lying Spamming Idiot' Schestowitz posts
off-topic, off-charter, anti-MS lies and propaganda. Where are you then,
hypocrite?
Hadron
2008-05-12 13:40:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! Damn, sprayed a mouthful of coffee on my monitor
screen. Moshe AKA PhlatPhish, the Usenet COP, calling advocates
trolls. This guy is a real riot!
Troll would be a big step up for most cola Linux "advocates".
And I notice you slunk away when I asked you the same thing: why aren't you
in the Ubuntu forums helping fix the avalanche of problem reports?
Shouldn't you be "advocating" and actually helping to fix Linux problems,
instead of ridiculously denying they exist?
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works? He is in love
with being in a minority. He still does not understand the different
between Debian Unstable and Testing for example.

A complete and utter clown.
Post by DFS
You weenies are deathly afraid to discuss the [massive] shortcomings of
Linux, so you lie, run, deny, attack the poster, and snip.
And several dozen times a day Roy 'Lying Spamming Idiot' Schestowitz posts
off-topic, off-charter, anti-MS lies and propaganda. Where are you then,
hypocrite?
Polishing his bike I guess.
--
Bwahahahahahahahah - Anyone else think that this announcement from the MS
marketing machine was anything other than a last ditch attempt to try and
foster *some* interest in XP ?
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-12 19:36:17 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by DFS
Post by High Plains Thumper
Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! Damn, sprayed a mouthful of coffee on my monitor
screen. Moshe AKA PhlatPhish, the Usenet COP, calling advocates
trolls. This guy is a real riot!
Troll would be a big step up for most cola Linux "advocates".
And I notice you slunk away when I asked you the same thing: why aren't you
in the Ubuntu forums helping fix the avalanche of problem reports?
Shouldn't you be "advocating" and actually helping to fix Linux problems,
instead of ridiculously denying they exist?
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works? He is in love
with being in a minority. He still does not understand the different
between Debian Unstable and Testing for example.
A complete and utter clown.
I'm not a programmer and even *I* know what != means.
HPT is just a lamer.
Post by Hadron
Post by DFS
You weenies are deathly afraid to discuss the [massive] shortcomings of
Linux, so you lie, run, deny, attack the poster, and snip.
And several dozen times a day Roy 'Lying Spamming Idiot' Schestowitz posts
off-topic, off-charter, anti-MS lies and propaganda. Where are you then,
hypocrite?
Polishing his bike I guess.
That ain't the only thing he is polishing...
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pyles69
2008-05-12 19:39:10 UTC
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Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Tattoo Vampire
2008-05-12 23:03:12 UTC
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Post by Hadron
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works?
Talking about yourself again, Quack? Or do you still claim to run Debian?
(last month it was Ubuntu, what will it be next month?)
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William Poaster
2008-05-13 08:56:04 UTC
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Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by Hadron
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works?
Talking about yourself again, Quack? Or do you still claim to run Debian?
(last month it was Ubuntu, what will it be next month?)
Weeelll it *won't* be Hardonix, or Quacklinux!
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High Plains Thumper
2008-05-15 01:19:55 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by Hadron
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works?
Talking about yourself again, Quack? Or do you still claim
to run Debian? (last month it was Ubuntu, what will it be
next month?)
Weeelll it *won't* be Hardonix, or Quacklinux!
Damn Small Hadron! :-)
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Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Tattoo Vampire
2008-05-15 02:58:56 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Damn Small Hadron! :-)
Now that's funny right thar...
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William Poaster
2008-05-15 10:36:17 UTC
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Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by High Plains Thumper
Damn Small Hadron! :-)
Now that's funny right thar...
Damn Small Hardon, might be more like it! <grin>
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William Poaster
2008-05-15 10:35:33 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by William Poaster
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by Hadron
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works?
Talking about yourself again, Quack? Or do you still claim to run
Debian? (last month it was Ubuntu, what will it be next month?)
Weeelll it *won't* be Hardonix, or Quacklinux!
Damn Small Hadron! :-)
Is that to match his "brain"?
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The Ghost In The Machine
2008-05-15 15:34:48 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, William Poaster
<***@leafnode.amd64.eu>
wrote
on Thu, 15 May 2008 11:35:33 +0100
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by William Poaster
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by Hadron
How can he when he knows nothing about how Linux works?
Talking about yourself again, Quack? Or do you still claim to run
Debian? (last month it was Ubuntu, what will it be next month?)
Weeelll it *won't* be Hardonix, or Quacklinux!
Damn Small Hadron! :-)
Is that to match his "brain"?
Let's try not to descend to their level, shall we?

As for Hadron's running Debian....I've no clue on that
score, and of course Hadron has the option, as do we all,
of switching distros on a regular basis. I myself wouldn't
mind setting up phantom images (using QEMU, VmWare, or
UML) of all the major distros, were I to have the time
and the patience (UML tends towards the slow, and QEMU is
even slower). Disk space isn't a problem. ;-)
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William Poaster
2008-05-11 17:30:12 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific
device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
There's a high sense of illiteracy among the trolls in this newsgroup, DFS
included.
USB works fine in Ubuntu. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS last night.
Work fine in the Mandriva 2008 distros too. :-)
It works fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite. As a software developer, he
is an enigma. If he simply used the software, he would understand. His
drivel indicates that he doesn't. His inability to get Linux to properly
work makes me seriously doubt he develops software.
He's dumb, period.
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High Plains Thumper
2008-05-13 02:31:41 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
There's a high sense of illiteracy among the trolls in this
newsgroup, DFS included.
USB works fine in Ubuntu. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
last night.
Work fine in the Mandriva 2008 distros too. :-)
So far, Ubuntu 8.04 is working fine. One thing I noticed is that
before, when checking the harddisk for errors (every 30
boot-ups), it would go from splash screen to text mode. Now,
splash screen includes fsck status in lower right corner. It was
a cosmetic change to make boot-up seamless in "GUI" mode.
Personally, I prefer the text screen until the X server comes up.
I might disable splash in grub.

It is little things like checking the hard disk for errors
periodically that helps to keep Linux error free.
Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
It works fine, a counter to DFS' trollshite. As a software
developer, he is an enigma. If he simply used the software,
he would understand. His drivel indicates that he doesn't.
His inability to get Linux to properly work makes me
seriously doubt he develops software.
He's dumb, period.
Anyone who follows his diatribes can see how mor00nish his posts
are. Way he speaks is not advocacy. It is the spiel of a sore
luser. Linux has come far along enough, that no matter what he
says, no matter what the trolls say, is gaining popularity.

Linux is here to stay.

Soon it will be time for him and the rest of the trolls to bone
up in the bread line.
--
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Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
DFS
2008-05-13 03:42:04 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Anyone who follows his diatribes can see how mor00nish his posts
are. Way he speaks is not advocacy. It is the spiel of a sore
luser. Linux has come far along enough, that no matter what he
says, no matter what the trolls say, is gaining popularity.
2 of your 4 sentences don't make sense. 2nd English is language your?
Post by High Plains Thumper
Linux is here to stay.
It was here to stay 10 years ago, Captain Obvious.
Post by High Plains Thumper
Soon it will be time for him and the rest of the trolls to bone
up in the bread line.
Soon... real soon... Linux is taking over... any decade now.

4-16-2008, RedHat: "...we have no plans to create a traditional desktop
product for the consumer market in the foreseeable future...The desktop
market suffers from having one dominant vendor, and some people still
perceive that today’s Linux desktops simply don’t provide a practical
alternative."

4-16-2008, Novell: Suse Linux at the desktop is unlikely to be popular with
consumers in the next three to five years, according to Novell President and
CEO Ronald Hovsepian.

"Linux losing market share to Windows Server"
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Linux-Losing-Market-Share-to-Windows-Server/

4-17-2008, HPT: "There really is no more need to advocate Linux. We have
won."


Lucky you have a Windows job to go to, eh HPT? Why won't your employer
migrate off Windows? Guess they didn't hear Linux won.
Moshe Goldfarb
2008-05-11 15:18:38 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific device
attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Of course he can.

Can you program?
Obviously not Phil Da Lick!.....
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slacker mcspritze
2008-05-11 15:21:32 UTC
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Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
Phil Da Lick!
2008-05-11 16:04:15 UTC
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Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific device
attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Of course he can.
I beg to differ. He's posting links referring to talking to USB devices
on a hardware level. At no point in this thread have I stated that as my
intent. And I certainly wouldn't be attempting to use EnumPorts() and
CreateFile() to talk to a usb device.
DFS
2008-05-11 22:08:34 UTC
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Post by Phil Da Lick!
Post by DFS
"Applications don't access ports; they can only access a specific
device attached to a port."
http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm
Can you fucking read?
Post your working source code - before you started having this problem.
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