Post by DFSPost by KierPost by DFSPost by Kelsey Bjarnason[snips]
Post by DFSIt's Linux that can't cope with its own "pointy-clicky package manager".
No, it's you. Fact is, I can get Mandrake's GUI package manager to
work, as can several other people here, as can thousands upon
thousands of other people. You, however, can't,
Oh, I got it working - as much as anything in Linux works -
immediately after finding a variety of non-responsive and outdated
repositories at Easy urpmi http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
So now you're going to attack easyurmpmi. Nice. Do you have the least
idea what sort of work it takes - unpaid work, for the most part - to
keep such a resource in order, and up to date? Do you think this
stuff comes into being at the twirl of a magin wand?
Like setting up urpmi on your system, it's a bit of work up front and then
it's easy to maintain. Do you think these guys work on maintaining those
mirrors full-time, every day? No. That's why they get so outdated. It's a
hobby for them. Some set them up and don't touch them for a long time -
hence you still get Firefox from 6 months ago. Many of the mirrors are
hosted by academic departments at universities, and they're maintained by
students during a course.
And the fact that they're willing to do this, to put in that work for the
benefit of other linux users, goes right over your head, doesn't it?
Post by DFSPost by KierPost by DFSAnd after two mirrors downloaded 40mb of package lists to my
computer. 40mb! Talk about bloat.
No, I'll take about a huge range of software, available to you at no
charge, with which you may do exactly as you please, including
modifyig it, copying it, installing it to as many machines as you
want.
A nice advantage for some, no doubt. Windows caused me some related
problems last night, and I'll soon be so kind as to post them in a new
thread.
It's a nice advantage for all who use it. You seem to be incapable of
understanding that.
Post by DFSPost by KierYou really are a fool, DFS, to sneer at this. Use you brain for
thinking. Try and think of the hard work and dedication this
represents, and show some gratitude.
It is sort of impressive to see how much energy Linux/OSS people put into
their hatred of MS.
Sorry? Where in the above is MS mentioned?
Post by DFSPost by KierPost by DFSPost by Kelsey Bjarnasonwhich tells us
pretty much everything we need to know - that it is you, not Linux,
not Mandrake, not rpmdrake, that is screwed up beyond all repair.
Linux and Mandrake and rpmdrake and urpmi are screwed up in so many
ways, both large and small. How do you count thee?
No, they aren't. You aren't doing you case any good by proving
Kelsey's point - you're either here to troll and lie, or you really
want to learn. Which is it?
I don't lie. Every single slopware episode really happened. All of them.
Sure.
Post by DFSLearning is always worthwhile, of course, but cola isn't meant to be a
learning experience.
It can be, for those willing to learn.
Post by DFSPost by KierPost by DFSPost by Kelsey BjarnasonOf course, that's not news around here, is it?
It is to most of us. urpmi has alwasy been among the very best package
installer/managers out there, and easyurpmi makes it dead simple to use.
That's Kelsey you're responding to.
Post by KierPost by DFSI do have some good news: a new Linux release is always around the
corner! Release often, release sloppy.
Wrong. You still don't get it, do you?
I get this: instead of Fedora Core or Ubuntu saying "we'll release the next
version when it's done", they say "we'll release every 6 months." Meaning
if something's not fixed, oh well, our next scheduled release is 6 months
from now and hopefully we can get it fixed by then.
Wrong. Having a regular release schedule means they have a target to aim
at. No one expects perfection over night (except you, it seems). And it's
really funny you should slag Ubuntu for releasing six-monthly, when you're
always whining about Debian. It's based on Debian, but without the very
slow and steady release cycles, and you just love attacking Debian's
software, don't you?
Ubuntu is a very good distro, gaining in popularity all the time. Fedora
is popular too, but it's meant as a test-bed, so problems can be expected
along with cutting-edge software. But then you know that already. You've
been told over and over yet you refuse to listen.
Releasing as often as practicable is the way it goes - you keep the
development momentum rolling along, each release building as much as
possible on the sucess of the last. You get feedback from users which
helps to fix bugs. the users get the benefit of as much up-to-date
software as possible.
But you're also forgetting that no one *has* to get the next release, if
the one they're using works for them. Software can be upgraded as needed,
or not at all. Or you can go the whole hog and keep up with each release.
It's *your* choice.
At this moment, I've got Mandrake 9.1. 10.1 and LE 2005 and my various
machines. My everyday machine has 9.1 on it, because it's working more or
less jut as I need it too, chugging away happily day after day. Eventually
I'll probably upgrade. When I do it'll be my choice.
Linux users would rather have something usable *now* than wait around
forever like the Windows fans are with Longhorn.
Post by DFSTheir (and others') release schedules are dictated by an arbitrary, frequent
timeline, vs the condition of their software. Nowhere but in Linux la-la
land have I heard of this.
There is no 'Linux la-la land', except in your head. You continue to
demonstrate that you don't understand Open Source, or its goals and
motivations.
Post by DFSPost by KierAfter all this time here, you're still the same closed-minded
idiot. For God's sake give us all a break!
When assholes like Kelsey B. devote several posts to telling me how stupid I
am, and that the software works perfectly (it doesn't), I'm going to have to
respond.
By being an even bigger idiot than before. Stuff like 'Linux la-la land'
is a case in point. If you behave stupidly, you'll be called stupid. Stiop
trolling and start learning.
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Kier
