Am I the first?

[Vicky Ayech]

I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.

The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

[krw]

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

Apparently it is government guidance to keep surgeries locked up to
protect the people.

I challenged this but the letter was written in August, not been amended
and apparently not seeing patients is the future ideal.

Apparently Hancock is being paid by both the online IT companies and the
BMA to keep doctors safe. I think this rumour is completely untrue but
some of the rumours ought to be true.

[Paul Herber]

Post by krw

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

Apparently it is government guidance to keep surgeries locked up to
protect the people.
I challenged this but the letter was written in August, not been amended
and apparently not seeing patients is the future ideal.
Apparently Hancock is being paid by both the online IT companies and the
BMA to keep doctors safe. I think this rumour is completely untrue but
some of the rumours ought to be true.

Anything you read that starts with the word "apparently" is a load of old bollo.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by krw

Post by Vicky Ayech
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the

[]

Post by Paul Herber

Post by krw

Post by Vicky Ayech
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

I went for my you're-60-now blood pressure and blood-sample-taking on
Tuesday, and that _was_ done inside (though with the windows open;
fortunately it was a nice day). When I arrived, I was directed to sit
and wait inside, though when those waiting exceeded (I think) three,
others who arrived _were_ asked to wait outside.

(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass
74.)

Post by Paul Herber

Post by krw
Apparently it is government guidance to keep surgeries locked up to
protect the people.
I challenged this but the letter was written in August, not been amended
and apparently not seeing patients is the future ideal.
Apparently Hancock is being paid by both the online IT companies and the
BMA to keep doctors safe. I think this rumour is completely untrue but
some of the rumours ought to be true.

Anything you read that starts with the word "apparently" is a load of old bollo.

Or at least is written by someone CTA.

[Clive Arthur]

On 18/09/2020 16:00, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first. The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'. I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.

(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

[Peter]

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?

Keep count and then you can give us an accurate figure, else the data is
void.

Post by Clive Arthur
)

[Mike]

Post by Peter

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?

Keep count and then you can give us an accurate figure, else the data is
void.

Post by Clive Arthur
)

Was that a faecal attempt at a joke?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first. The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'. I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.

It does seem a bit simplistic/childish, but I suspect they can't win
whichever way they fall: stool or faeces might not be understood by all,
and I'm not even sure what a medical term for "upset tummy" might be (I
suppose "stomach upset").

Post by Clive Arthur
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

LOLAL for a long time! Still grinning.

Though as not going out much, I decided not to use it until going out
the next day so I could post it relatively soon - only to discover I
went many days without! (Sorry, TMI for some.)

I'm not going to fall between two stools ...

[carolet]

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.

Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

[Steve Hague]

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

[Mike]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

‘Just a slight scratch’ (before an injection).

[Peter]

Post by Mike

Post by Steve Hague

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

‘Just a slight scratch’ (before an injection).

'Just a little prick' is pretty much out of the question if the injectee
is a bloke.

[Mike]

Post by Peter

Post by Mike

Post by Steve Hague

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

‘Just a slight scratch’ (before an injection).

'Just a little prick' is pretty much out of the question if the injectee
is a bloke.

Apparently, Dr. Rob Buckman relates that during his training course on
injecting, he was told about reassuring the patient before administering
the injection and when he tried out his patter on the unfortunate
‘volunteer’ saying something like: ‘Don’t worry it is only a small prick
with a needle’, she replied ‘ That’s not what bothers me, it is what you
intend to do with it!’.

[Penny]

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:57:40 GMT, Mike <***@ntlworld.com> scrawled
in the dust...

Post by Mike

Post by Steve Hague
NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

‘Just a slight scratch’ (before an injection).

Causes less sniggering than the previous' "Just a little prick".

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Penny

‘Just a slight scratch’ (before an injection).

Causes less sniggering than the previous' "Just a little prick".

I vaguely recall that, at the age of about 6, when I presented
myself at the designated room at school for inoculations, I must
have announced why I was there in terms capable of being
misunderstood, though quite beyond my comprehension at the time.

Chris

[BrritSki]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of
'poo' and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel
cancer will be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public. "Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives
a link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
which explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about
health and the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach"
is OK, but "tummy" is also OK for short.

NHS speak which irritates me is "Pop yourself up here for me"
Steve

Just came back from the beach (Medicurrane long gone, now idyllic
weather) and read this having earlier today read something very similar
in the Times:
"Great British pop

I once visited Michaela, proudly one of the strictest schools in
Britain, where I met its deputy head, Jonathan Porter. His new blog post
offers tips on discipline, and one is to use “pop commands”. Instead of
saying, “Sit down!”, say, “Pop yourself over there."

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b6e70a00-fb79-11ea-8eac-e356e4cd0308?shareToken=1262c176051ecb0476872bac109590db>

[Mike]

Post by BrritSki
Just came back from the beach (Medicurrane long gone, now idyllic
weather) and read this having earlier today read something very similar
"Great British pop
I once visited Michaela, proudly one of the strictest schools in
Britain, where I met its deputy head, Jonathan Porter. His new blog post
offers tips on discipline, and one is to use “pop commands”. Instead of
saying, “Sit down!”, say, “Pop yourself over there."

Does this apply to everyone in your support bubble?

[Peter]

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first.  The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'.  I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public.

Don't you think that that's utterly wrong-headed? Doctors should
communicate with their patients according to the patients' needs. If
the only words the patient knows are 'pee' and 'poo', then those are the
words should be used. If the patient thinks such language is childish
(and baulks at it for that reason) then the doctor should not use it.
My expectation is that a doctor, on first meeting a patient, will judge
within two minutes how that patient should be addressed. Very
occasionally they'll be wrong and they can correct themselves in two
minutes. Why do I expect that? Because it's what the rest of us do.
(Two minutes is a generous allowance.)

Post by carolet
"Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

[Tony Smith]

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first. The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'. I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public.

Don't you think that that's utterly wrong-headed? Doctors should
communicate with their patients according to the patients' needs. If
the only words the patient knows are 'pee' and 'poo', then those are the
words should be used. If the patient thinks such language is childish
(and baulks at it for that reason) then the doctor should not use it.
My expectation is that a doctor, on first meeting a patient, will judge
within two minutes how that patient should be addressed. Very
occasionally they'll be wrong and they can correct themselves in two
minutes. Why do I expect that? Because it's what the rest of us do.
(Two minutes is a generous allowance.)

Post by carolet
"Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

My, now retired, village physician came up with "iatrogenic". I knew enough Greek to understand, but I had not known there was such a word and expressed surprise.

[Mike]

Post by Tony Smith

Post by carolet

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

I received a test kit today, not my first. The booklet talks of 'poo'
and an upset 'tummy'. I fully expect next time that bowel cancer will
be referred to as a 'poorly bot-bot'.
(But it surely should only take around a couple of months to pass 74?)

The episode of "Word of Mouth" from the 28th January this year was
entitled "NHS language use". One of the people on was involved in
deciding what words should be used to communicate clearly with the
public.

Don't you think that that's utterly wrong-headed? Doctors should
communicate with their patients according to the patients' needs. If
the only words the patient knows are 'pee' and 'poo', then those are the
words should be used. If the patient thinks such language is childish
(and baulks at it for that reason) then the doctor should not use it.
My expectation is that a doctor, on first meeting a patient, will judge
within two minutes how that patient should be addressed. Very
occasionally they'll be wrong and they can correct themselves in two
minutes. Why do I expect that? Because it's what the rest of us do.
(Two minutes is a generous allowance.)

Post by carolet
"Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as
they are widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives a
link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing which
explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about health and
the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach" is OK, but
"tummy" is also OK for short.

My, now retired, village physician came up with "iatrogenic". I knew
enough Greek to understand, but I had not known there was such a word and
expressed surprise.

Was he micturating about with your mind?

[Sam Plusnet]

On 21-Sep-20 15:14, Tony Smith wrote:

"iatrogenic"

Thank you for that.

The Wikipedia article included the concept of
"Iatrogenic poverty" which was accompanied by the comment that

"in the United States in 2001, illness and medical debt caused half of
all personal bankruptcies."

I don't imagine things have improved since then.

[Mike]

Post by Tony Smith
"iatrogenic"
Thank you for that.
The Wikipedia article included the concept of
"Iatrogenic poverty" which was accompanied by the comment that
"in the United States in 2001, illness and medical debt caused half of
all personal bankruptcies."
I don't imagine things have improved since then.

The figures might well have been Trumped by now...

[Steve Hague]

Post by Mike

Post by Tony Smith
"iatrogenic"
Thank you for that.
The Wikipedia article included the concept of
"Iatrogenic poverty" which was accompanied by the comment that
"in the United States in 2001, illness and medical debt caused half of
all personal bankruptcies."
I don't imagine things have improved since then.

The figures might well have been Trumped by now...

Are you implying that Forrest Trump isn't the greatest POTUS ever?

[Mike]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by Mike

Post by Tony Smith
"iatrogenic"
Thank you for that.
The Wikipedia article included the concept of
"Iatrogenic poverty" which was accompanied by the comment that
"in the United States in 2001, illness and medical debt caused half of
all personal bankruptcies."
I don't imagine things have improved since then.

The figures might well have been Trumped by now...

Are you implying that Forrest Trump isn't the greatest POTUS ever?

I think you left out the ‘t1t’ there somewhere!

[Steve Hague]

"Pee" and "poo" were mentioned as words that used be used, as they are
widely understood.
Looking up the episode just now, I see that the associated blurb gives
a link to
https://service-manual.nhs.uk/content/a-to-z-of-nhs-health-writing
which explains "Words and phrases we use to make our content about
health and the NHS easy to understand." It says that using "stomach"
is OK, but "tummy" is also OK for short.

But how much time does it take a doctor to decide what terminology to
use? I would hope my grey hair would indicate I have a stomach rather
than a tummy.

[Peter]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

Why do they stop then? "Well, Mr Gilliver, we've been trying to burden
you with bowel cancer for fourteen years, and you haven't been playing
ball, so we'll give up."

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Peter

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

Why do they stop then? "Well, Mr Gilliver, we've been trying to burden
you with bowel cancer for fourteen years, and you haven't been playing
ball, so we'll give up."

Yes, I was a bit surprised there too! What it actually says is:

We will invite you to take part in screening again in 2 years' time,
unless you have reached the age of 75 by then. We do not automatically
invite people aged 75 or over, but they can request screening every 2
years by calling our free helpline on 0800 707 60 60.

Quite why there's a cutoff at 75 in the automatic (since it's still
available if you ask for it), there's no explanation. I can think of
three possible reasons: 1. the obvious cost-cutting one; 2. the
incidence falls off after about 75 (seems unlikely, but I'm no medic, so
maybe it is so); and/or 3. they've found that response falls off.

[Mike]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Peter

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

Why do they stop then? "Well, Mr Gilliver, we've been trying to burden
you with bowel cancer for fourteen years, and you haven't been playing
ball, so we'll give up."

We will invite you to take part in screening again in 2 years' time,
unless you have reached the age of 75 by then. We do not automatically
invite people aged 75 or over, but they can request screening every 2
years by calling our free helpline on 0800 707 60 60.
Quite why there's a cutoff at 75 in the automatic (since it's still
available if you ask for it), there's no explanation. I can think of
three possible reasons: 1. the obvious cost-cutting one; 2. the
incidence falls off after about 75 (seems unlikely, but I'm no medic, so
maybe it is so); and/or 3. they've found that response falls off.

Thus affecting the bottom line?

[Vicky Ayech]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:37:47 GMT, Mike <***@ntlworld.com>
wrote:


But some grans had a better experience
https://www.gransnet.com/forums/health/1284628-Flu-vac-at-pharmacy?utm_source=newsletter_gransnetdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18/09/2020&utm_term=%22Would+you+snitch+on+your+neighbours%3F%22

[Mike]

Post by Vicky Ayech
But some grans had a better experience
https://www.gransnet.com/forums/health/1284628-Flu-vac-at-pharmacy?utm_source=newsletter_gransnetdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=18/09/2020&utm_term=%22Would+you+snitch+on+your+neighbours%3F%22

Attribution error I think!

[Joe Kerr]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

Why do they stop then?  "Well, Mr Gilliver, we've been trying to
burden you with bowel cancer for fourteen years, and you haven't been
playing ball, so we'll give up."

We will invite you to take part in screening again in 2 years' time,
unless you have reached the age of 75 by then. We do not automatically
invite people aged 75 or over, but they can request screening every 2
years by calling our free helpline on 0800 707 60 60.
Quite why there's a cutoff at 75 in the automatic (since it's still
available if you ask for it), there's no explanation. I can think of
three possible reasons: 1. the obvious cost-cutting one; 2. the
incidence falls off after about 75 (seems unlikely, but I'm no medic, so
maybe it is so); and/or 3. they've found that response falls off.

4. If you've lived that long without a problem you will probably die of
something else before bowel cancer gets you (as a guess) in conjunction
with 1.

[krw]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Quite why there's a cutoff at 75 in the automatic (since it's still
available if you ask for it), there's no explanation. I can think of
three possible reasons: 1. the obvious cost-cutting one; 2. the
incidence falls off after about 75 (seems unlikely, but I'm no medic, so
maybe it is so); and/or 3. they've found that response falls off.

There is an age at which most preventative screening ends because after
that age the cancerous growths are slow growing and something else is
more likely to get you in terms of probability.

[Nick Odell]

Post by Peter

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(I also got today the letter saying I probably _don't_ have bowel
cancer, though they'll send another kit every two years until I pass 74.)

Why do they stop then? "Well, Mr Gilliver, we've been trying to burden
you with bowel cancer for fourteen years, and you haven't been playing
ball, so we'll give up."

I think that is a different cancer, Peter.

Nick

[Chris McMillan]

Post by krw

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

Apparently it is government guidance to keep surgeries locked up to
protect the people.
I challenged this but the letter was written in August, not been amended
and apparently not seeing patients is the future ideal.
Apparently Hancock is being paid by both the online IT companies and the
BMA to keep doctors safe. I think this rumour is completely untrue but
some of the rumours ought to be true.

Totally untrue. On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it. This is true: non-netted late umrat Roget’s
wofe needed one in lockdown. She neither has a computer, or mobile, but
also holding a phone conversation is nearly impossible as her hearing, even
with hearing aids is awful. Not only did she get a gp face to face, he
sent her direct to A and E to have some bruising checked following a fall.
That was in May.

Sincerely Chris

[krw]

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.

Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today. The BBC
online has not mentioned it. I wonder why?

[Steve Hague]

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The BBC
online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

The BBC are rather selective about what they report these days. After
all, they know what's best for us and wouldn't want to unsettle us with
anything that goes against their agenda, which is of course the correct
one. Look at all the improvements they've made to Dr Who. I never
thought I'd think this, but Sky News is probably more trustworthy now.

[Vicky Ayech]

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:18:26 +0100, Steve Hague

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The BBC
online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

The BBC are rather selective about what they report these days. After
all, they know what's best for us and wouldn't want to unsettle us with
anything that goes against their agenda, which is of course the correct
one. Look at all the improvements they've made to Dr Who. I never
thought I'd think this, but Sky News is probably more trustworthy now.

I thought we were living together, Steve, until the bit where you said
Sky News is more trustworthy now. Apparently no better. And mention of
the protests was removed from fb and twitter.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

(I can only think of two situations where you'd _need_ it: if the
medical professional needs to examine something, or where the patient
has genuine difficulty using the telephone.)

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw
I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.

Hmm. They certainly get reported a lot, but I find reaction to what they
say - which tends to be reaction against, though not always - is usually
given plenty of coverage too (sometimes, IMO, to excess - _automatic_
countersaying sometimes is irritatingly prevalent).

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The
BBC online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

I rarely look at BBC online; in other coverage I gather there were lots
of arrests and fines, but I'm not sure where I absorbed that.

Post by Steve Hague
The BBC are rather selective about what they report these days. After
all, they know what's best for us and wouldn't want to unsettle us with
anything that goes against their agenda, which is of course the correct

I generally find they're slightly against the current government,
whatever colour it is; to some extent IMO that's as it should be, since
whoever's currently in government has more power than the opposition so
should be challenged more, though as I've said the _automatic_ nature is
sometimes rather wearing.

I don't think the BBC has an agenda - certainly not the left-wing,
pro-EU one that's currently being touted a lot; if anything, I think the
Beeb tends to be slightly conservative with a small C, i. e. in favour
of preserving the status quo, but only slightly - and that as an almost
inevitable consequence of its age, rather than anything more sinister.
Most recent criticisms of the BBC seem to me to be either from people
with an interest in its demise (political or media organisations [or
individuals]), or just the sort of people who are against any tax and
want everything to be magically paid for without them having to pay
anything.

Post by Steve Hague
one. Look at all the improvements they've made to Dr Who. I never

(I haven't seen much of it since the long stoppage - though I believe
it's quite well done and respected now. [I did catch a bit of the
storyline with the statues that moved when you weren't looking at them,
and thought that was well done.])

Post by Steve Hague
thought I'd think this, but Sky News is probably more trustworthy now.

There are times when I find myself switching to them (233) when the BBC
(231) has got obsessed by one story (I was going to say news story, but
it's not even always what I'd consider news). But it's infectious: if a
_really_ big (non-)story, Sky get infected too; I've very occasionally
had to go to RT (making allowances for _their_ agenda but) just to find
what else is happening in the world.

[Peter]

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

Post by krw
.  The BBC
online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

[krw]

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

[Steve Hague]

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

Yes, and I take in every word😎.

[Mike]

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!

[Tony Smith]

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

[Peter]

Post by Tony Smith

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

Protesting against something that isn't? A waste of time if ever there was.

[Peter]

Post by Tony Smith

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers
protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever there
was.

This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.

(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

[Mike]

Post by Peter

Post by Tony Smith

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers
protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever there
was.

This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.
(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

The sceptic in me feels the conspiracy grows:

BBC News BBC Sport
404 - Page Not Found

This might be because you typed the web address incorrectly. Please check
the address and spelling ensuring that it does not contain capital letters
or spaces.

It is possible that the page you were looking for may have been moved,
updated or deleted.

Please click the back button to try another link.

Or
Visit the BBC News Home Page.
Visit the BBC Sport Home Page.
Explore our full list of sites and services.

[Peter]

Post by Mike

Post by Peter

Post by Tony Smith

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers
protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever there
was.

This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.
(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

BBC News BBC Sport
404 - Page Not Found

For the first link or the second?

Post by Mike
This might be because you typed the web address incorrectly. Please check
the address and spelling ensuring that it does not contain capital letters
or spaces.
It is possible that the page you were looking for may have been moved,
updated or deleted.
Please click the back button to try another link.
Or
Visit the BBC News Home Page.
Visit the BBC Sport Home Page.
Explore our full list of sites and services.

[Mike]

Post by Peter

Post by Mike

Post by Peter

Post by Tony Smith

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said. This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!
--
Toodle Pip

The demonstration was reported, at the time, on AOL. It was antivaxers
protesting against compulsory Corvis vaccinations.

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever there
was.

This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.
(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

BBC News BBC Sport
404 - Page Not Found

For the first link or the second?

Post by Mike
This might be because you typed the web address incorrectly. Please check
the address and spelling ensuring that it does not contain capital letters
or spaces.
It is possible that the page you were looking for may have been moved,
updated or deleted.
Please click the back button to try another link.
Or
Visit the BBC News Home Page.
Visit the BBC Sport Home Page.
Explore our full list of sites and services.

The second.

[John Ashby]

Post by Mike

Post by Peter

Post by Mike

Post by Peter
This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.
(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

BBC News BBC Sport
404 - Page Not Found

For the first link or the second?

The second.

Works for me.

john

[Peter]

Post by Mike

Post by Peter

Post by Mike

Post by Peter
This https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52565764 is relevant.
(Generally I find the BBC's lecturing rather tedious, but readers might
find it interesting. And they will recall this -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6905810.stm. The BBC needed to
train its staff not to lie. Bizarre.)

BBC News BBC Sport
404 - Page Not Found

For the first link or the second?

The second.

It works for me. It's the Beeb reporting on its own dishonesty (or
rather the consequences thereof) relating to 'phone-in competitions.

[Joe Kerr]

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever there
was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Joe Kerr

Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever
there was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.

(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

[John Ashby]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

 Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever
there  was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

Could you not get a discount on one?

john

[Peter]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

 Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever
there  was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

From Latin protestari declare publicly. pro- forth and testari testify.

The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel. Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.

Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.

ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.

Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

[Tony Smith]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

Protesting against something that isn't? A waste of time if ever
there was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

From Latin protestari declare publicly. pro- forth and testari testify.
The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel. Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.
Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.
ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.
Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

Why isn't an "increment" the opposite of an "excrement"? Because the "cre" in the middle has two different Latin origins.

[Peter]

Post by Tony Smith

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

Protesting against something that isn't? A waste of time if ever
there was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

From Latin protestari declare publicly. pro- forth and testari testify.
The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel. Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.
Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.
ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.
Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

Why isn't an "increment" the opposite of an "excrement"? Because the "cre" in the middle has two different Latin origins.

I'm going to bed now but tomorrow will be
trawling-through-the-dictionary day, though first I must go and get my
scepticals mended.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Peter

Post by Tony Smith

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

Protesting against something that isn't? A waste of time if ever
there was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

From Latin protestari declare publicly. pro- forth and testari testify.
The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel. Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.
Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.
ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.
Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

Why isn't an "increment" the opposite of an "excrement"? Because

It is in that two Ronnies/John Cleese sketch. (And I now can't find a
version that includes that line.)

Post by Peter

Post by Tony Smith
the "cre" in the middle has two different Latin origins.

I'm going to bed now but tomorrow will be
trawling-through-the-dictionary day, though first I must go and get my
scepticals mended.

(-:

[Peter]

Post by Peter

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

Protesting against something that isn't? A waste of time if ever
there was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting? It
is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

 From Latin protestari declare publicly. pro- forth and testari testify.
The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel. Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.
Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.
ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.
Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

Why isn't an "increment" the opposite of an "excrement"?  Because the
"cre" in the middle has two different Latin origins.

I'm going to bed now but tomorrow will be
trawling-through-the-dictionary day, though first I must go and get my
scepticals mended.

Scepticals mended. May I recommend Glasses on spec?
(https://www.glassesonspec.co.uk/) It may have been someone here who
drew my attention to them in the first place. The man who fixed them
didn't want to be paid and when I said 'at least take a fiver' he said
he'd put it in the charity tin! 'The man' - I used to know his name but
I've forgotten it, was it Will Luff who gave Harry Potter his specs?

[Joe Kerr]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Joe Kerr

 Protesting against something that isn't?  A waste of time if ever
there  was.

I've never thought of this before, but why is it called protesting?
It is almost always anti something other than testing.

At a guess - you're _for_ your side of the argument.
(A good etymological dictionary will tell you why protest has pro- in
it; I don't have one, and haven't tried to access the OED using my
library card.)

From Latin protestari declare publicly.  pro- forth and testari testify.
The pro bit is is as in proceed, progress, propel.  Meaning 'forward',
'to the fore'.
Another pro meaning 'before', 'earlier than', and so on, got merged with
it in Middle English so the distinction became blurred.
ProX meaning 'in favour of X' is not known in Latin.
Such things one learns from /Chambers dictionary of etymology/, but I
may look in the OED tomorrow.

Thanks. I'm sure I could have looked that up somewhere. So it means to
express evidence. That seems to have got distorted somewhere along the line.

Now all I have to do is remember it.

[Joe Kerr]

Post by Mike

Post by krw

Post by Peter

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today

In connection with what?

I wish I could tell you but there is a man reading what I type.

You’ll have to speak up a bit, those black helicopters are making a devil
of a racket!

I hope you are not being aviationist: Black helicopters matter.

[Anne B]

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The BBC
online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

Football has restarted so there isn't time/room to report anything
important.

Anne B

[krw]

Post by Anne B

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The
BBC online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

Football has restarted so there isn't time/room to report anything
important.
Anne B

Don't mention the football.

[Kate B]

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
On the news this week, it has bern said if one needs a
face to face appt you get it.

I have found that what is said on the news is what a politician has
said.  This is not always the truth.
Apparently there was a demonstration in Trafalgar Square today.  The BBC
online has not mentioned it.  I wonder why?

Coming late to the party (had to find a clean mask). The demonstration
was an anti-vaxxer, anti-lockdown one, conspiracy theories abounding. It
was mentioned on the Saturday tv news at 10, but as you say, not on the
website, except for on the page below. Depriving the protesters of the
oxygen of publicity?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54214752

[krw]

Depriving the protesters of the oxygen of publicity?

I would suggest a state funded broadcaster observing the requirements of
the censor on what it is permitted to say. But that of course would
appear outrageous and unallowed personal opinion for which I understand
the punishment is cancellation.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by krw

Depriving the protesters of the oxygen of publicity?

I would suggest a state funded broadcaster observing the requirements of
the censor on what it is permitted to say. But that of course would
appear outrageous and unallowed personal opinion for which I understand
the punishment is cancellation.

You are both giving a reason for the same thing. When you publicise
things, especially nonb-stop at every news broadcast on most news
channels and on social media it ramps up the feelings, doesn't it? As
with the virus.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination.

I've been notified of my appointment - 01 Oct.

Don't know precisely where it will take place, but the Nurse was quite
happy to have me in her room in the surgery when I needed a blood test.
The front door was monitored and people allowed in who had an appt and
sat well-spaced in the waiting area, but I believe that to see a Dr one
was directed to a different entrance where one knocked and waited to be
admitted.

My experience related to about 6 weeks ago. Things may have changed now.

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination.

I've been notified of my appointment - 01 Oct.
Don't know precisely where it will take place, but the Nurse was quite
happy to have me in her room in the surgery when I needed a blood test.
The front door was monitored and people allowed in who had an appt and
sat well-spaced in the waiting area, but I believe that to see a Dr one
was directed to a different entrance where one knocked and waited to be
admitted.
My experience related to about 6 weeks ago. Things may have changed now.

My visits since beginning of first lockdown have been to standing in the
carpark until summoned, go to nursie’s den, not put any belongings down,
not even a jacket onto a hook, hold onto all belongings, give blood, be
tested, or whatever, then ushered out through a side door back into the car
park again.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mike

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination.

I've been notified of my appointment - 01 Oct.
Don't know precisely where it will take place, but the Nurse was quite
happy to have me in her room in the surgery when I needed a blood test.
The front door was monitored and people allowed in who had an appt and
sat well-spaced in the waiting area, but I believe that to see a Dr one
was directed to a different entrance where one knocked and waited to be
admitted.
My experience related to about 6 weeks ago. Things may have changed now.

My visits since beginning of first lockdown have been to standing in the
carpark until summoned, go to nursie’s den, not put any belongings down,
not even a jacket onto a hook, hold onto all belongings, give blood, be
tested, or whatever, then ushered out through a side door back into the car
park again.

Imagine a visit to the surgery in the depths of winter - when you're
wearing about six layers of clothing. I don't have enough hands.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

It's not entirely accurate everywhere. I've been in to see my GP. We had
a phone appointment first and he asked me to come in.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

It's not entirely accurate everywhere. I've been in to see my GP. We had
a phone appointment first and he asked me to come in.

That's how it works around here, as well. I haven't had to put it to
the test but I know of people who have been asked into the surgery,
following a phone conversation.

[Steve Hague]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

It's not entirely accurate everywhere. I've been in to see my GP. We had
a phone appointment first and he asked me to come in.

Similar here. When I had to see the doctor for clearence for driving
after my stroke, the arrangement was I would wait in the surgery car
park, he would phone me and I'd go straight in. This was in July, and it
worked just fine, I was waiting for about five minutes.
Steve

[Mike]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery. I'd heard umrats and gransnetters saying they queued in the
carpark but the nurse invited me to sit down, checked me on the list
and did the vaccination THERE! I had to take one arm out of the
sleeve of my coat there in the carpark the surgery shares with
Sainsburys. A partial strip! It wasn't that warm, which was why I was
wearing a coat.
The nurse said nobody goes into the surgery now. I asked if people do
to see GPs. No. She said she has appointments for some clinic, I
forget which, and they come in. They have to keep the many people
out to protect the GPs from the virus. Why?? They are not doiing
anything!

It's not entirely accurate everywhere. I've been in to see my GP. We had
a phone appointment first and he asked me to come in.

Similar here. When I had to see the doctor for clearence for driving
after my stroke, the arrangement was I would wait in the surgery car
park, he would phone me and I'd go straight in. This was in July, and it
worked just fine, I was waiting for about five minutes.
Steve

Fortunately for me, my prostate cancer treatment where I had to attend the
horsepiddal daily for radiotherapy were completed before lockdown, my
‘appointments’ since then have only involved visiting the nurse for the
vampire to extract a blood sample for PSA tests and the rest have been
conducted via the telephonic device. Even our pharmacy have been delivering
our medicaments as I count as an ol’ codger.

[Clive Arthur]

Post by Vicky Ayech
I've just had my flu vaccination. I was more than surprised, more
shocked, that there was a table and chair in the carpark outside the
surgery.

<snip>

I had mine this morning. Wandered round to the quack's on the strength
of a text message on Monday to see two gazebo tent things in the car
park. Checked in with someone sat at a table, name crossed off just
like a polling station.

Walked to one gazebo, nurse jabs me, no small talk, thanks very much,
off home.

SWMBo says "I thought you were going for your flu jab?"

Far better than waiting inside IMO, and very efficient. I can feel the
immunity coursing through my veins.