Things about the issue work/edition are simpler for projects like
Commons djvu/pdf page and very often an unique source of that image. Things
are much more confused with "naked" works. I suggest - for simplicity -
ignoring the case of naked works.
Post by Thomas Pellissier TanonHi,
I am also going to be at Wikidata Con.
In the French Wikisource we started a Wikidata project.
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Aide:Wikidata We plan to do a small
hackathon soon to start uploading our book data to Wikidata (I already have
a prototype of tools that extract data from Wikisource to upload them to
Wikidata but it still needs some work to do the job well).
Post by billinghurstStill my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are
⢠capture of information from WS to WD â it just is hard work, WEF
tool is still not sufficiently aligned
Yes, we need some specific tools.
Post by billinghurst⢠the ever problematic inability to link WP book to WS edition
through Wikidata
What we could do is use the new Wikisource MediaWiki extension to add a
piece of code to add links to Wikipedia from Wikisource and to the other
Wikisources. We could start prototyping it using lua modules.
Post by billinghurst⢠that cannot capture information for Wikidata at archive.org,
and relate that through to the file at Commons, and then the edition at
Wikisource (or pick another starting point and interrelate0
In Wikidata you can point to the commons file and to IA [1]
Post by billinghurst⢠the inability to create an edition from a book/work, the
inability to create a work from an edition
Yes, we should create a UI on top of Wikidata to do such task.
Thomas
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P724
Post by billinghurstHoi,
A Wikipedia matra is be bold and another is that things are a work in
progress. In my opinion, what we need is the name of a book, its author and
the fact that people can read it. All the other stuff like what "version"
is a particular book pales in comparison. We should not let the quest for
perfection be the enemy of the good.
Post by billinghurstAlso Archive.org and Open Library are two different entities. Both the
Open Library and the Internet Archive have their own identifiers for
authors and they are not necessarily linked. We are talking about books
from the Open Library and they are available as an E-book or a PDF.
Post by billinghurstMy problem is not with Open Library, my problem is that we do not know
what is available from Wikisource as a finished good ready for reading. In
the end what we advertise is the author the book, versions are secondary.
Post by billinghurstThanks,
GerardM
Hi Nicolas,
Still my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are
⢠capture of information from WS to WD â it just is hard work, WEF
tool is still not sufficiently aligned
Post by billinghurst⢠the ever problematic inability to link WP book to WS edition
through Wikidata
Post by billinghurst⢠that cannot capture information for Wikidata at archive.org,
and relate that through to the file at Commons, and then the edition at
Wikisource (or pick another starting point and interrelate0
Post by billinghurst⢠the inability to create an edition from a book/work, the
inability to create a work from an edition
Post by billinghurstMaybe you can even ask what we need to improve to get bots to run
through and autocapture, is our meta-data in headers not suitable? What is
it that is problematic?
Post by billinghurstThanks for asking.
-- billinghurst (being so remote for the action <sigh>)
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Post by Nicolas VIGNERONHi all,
For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While
there is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention
on relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library,
FRBR, and so on).
Post by billinghurstPost by Nicolas VIGNERONThe event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the
presentation (link will be added here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).
Post by billinghurstPost by Nicolas VIGNERONI'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will
be there?
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