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NRP Cheats the tax payer
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d***@btinternet.com
2008-06-09 18:42:47 UTC
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NRP refused for 8 years to comply with the CSA, he refused to support
his son privately prior to that also, he now is building his own
£500,000.00 house, he is a self employed builder of 25 years, claiming
not to be working so got a nil assesment, he was taken to appeal and
then to commissioner, and was done on deprivation of income, this took
4 years, so he has now signed on , so not only does he cheat his son
but the tax payer, and thats you and I, are paying him £60 a week from
our wages for him to live off while he works cash in hand and build
his palace, his partner earns £3,000 per month, they both live in a 6
bedroom house, your money is helping him to evade his responsibility
to his child and help him build this house, are you happy about
that? , is this a NRP that deserves your respect ?
Fletcher
2008-06-09 20:45:27 UTC
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No, This is the ultimate deadbeat dad senario, the guys an asswipe.

But the sad truth is that this government will do nothing to catch him out
as a fraudster, that's very hard work and even if they do catch him there is
no money it it for them and it costs money to investigate so instead they
chase the real dads that do care and lookout for their kids, they go for the
easy targets!



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NRP refused for 8 years to comply with the CSA, he refused to support
his son privately prior to that also, he now is building his own
£500,000.00 house, he is a self employed builder of 25 years, claiming
not to be working so got a nil assesment, he was taken to appeal and
then to commissioner, and was done on deprivation of income, this took
4 years, so he has now signed on , so not only does he cheat his son
but the tax payer, and thats you and I, are paying him £60 a week from
our wages for him to live off while he works cash in hand and build
his palace, his partner earns £3,000 per month, they both live in a 6
bedroom house, your money is helping him to evade his responsibility
to his child and help him build this house, are you happy about
that? , is this a NRP that deserves your respect ?
Me
2008-06-09 20:47:11 UTC
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Post by Fletcher
No, This is the ultimate deadbeat dad senario, the guys an asswipe.
But the sad truth is that this government will do nothing to catch him out
as a fraudster, that's very hard work and even if they do catch him there is
no money it it for them and it costs money to investigate so instead they
chase the real dads that do care and lookout for their kids, they go for the
easy targets!
NRP refused for 8 years to comply with the CSA, he refused to support
his son privately prior to that also, he now is building his own
£500,000.00 house, he is a self employed builder of 25 years, claiming
not to be working so got a nil assesment, he was taken to appeal and
then to commissioner, and was done on deprivation of income, this took
4 years, so he has now signed on , so not only does he cheat his son
but the tax payer, and thats you and I, are paying him £60 a week from
our wages for him to live off while he works cash in hand and build
his palace, his partner earns £3,000 per month, they both live in a 6
bedroom house, your money is helping him to evade his responsibility
to his child and help him build this house, are you happy about
that? , is this a NRP that deserves your respect ?
There are two sides to every coin. When I was paying "the assessment"
very little of it went to my daughter. It appeared to be my ex's private
income. So, now I give my daughter the money she needs (far more than my
ex was giving her), and don't pay anything.
After all, it is the CHILD support agency, isn't it?
d***@btinternet.com
2008-06-09 21:18:42 UTC
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Post by Fletcher
No, This is the ultimate deadbeat dad senario, the guys an asswipe.
But the sad truth is that this government will do nothing to catch him out
as a fraudster, that's very hard work and even if they do catch him there is
no money it it for them and it costs money to investigate so instead they
chase the real dads that do care and lookout for their kids, they go for the
easy targets!
NRP refused for 8 years to comply with the CSA, he refused to support
his son privately prior to that also, he now is building his own
£500,000.00 house, he is a self employed builder of 25 years, claiming
not to be working so got a nil assesment, he was taken to appeal and
then to commissioner, and was done on deprivation of income, this took
4 years, so he has now signed on , so not only does he cheat his son
but the tax payer, and thats you and I, are paying him £60 a week from
our wages for him to live off while he works cash in hand and build
his palace, his partner earns £3,000 per month, they both live in a 6
bedroom house, your money is helping him to evade his responsibility
to his child and help him build this house, are you happy about
that? , is this a NRP that deserves your respect ?
There are two sides to every coin. When I was paying "the assessment"
very little of it went to my daughter. It appeared to be my ex's private
income. So, now I give my daughter the money she needs (far more than my
ex was giving her), and don't pay anything.
After all, it is the CHILD support agency, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
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well i can assure you that this father doesnt give a dam where its
going, he isnt paying because to him £2,000 electric gagrage doors are
more important to him, and besides which where in my post did i say
that the money was mine to be spent on me ?!!!!!
there is one side to this coin, he can pay but wont pay, so why are
you trying to make excuses for him and make out that i deserve no
support as it will go to a shoe fund ??

fathers who do as you do, "im paying the child ", are so annoying,
what about the day to day costs of bringing up a child, or do you
only want the glory of buying the latest toy for you daughter so you
look good and mummy looks bad,
not all mother are as you are trying to make out, i spend a lot on my
son and his father pays nothing, not even a birthday card, so please
your support and excuses are ill placed.
Fletcher
2008-06-09 23:34:40 UTC
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You can't judge everybody by your ex.

Just as some dads are true deadbeats some mothers are a disgrace, some spend
all their money on drugs and drink and the kids go about in rags other than
what dad buys them, other are vindictive and use the children as weapons
denying access, should they get any money? There is no one shoe fits all in
child support although CSA would have us believe that under CSA everybody is
the same but that's another pile of crap lies too.
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Post by Fletcher
No, This is the ultimate deadbeat dad senario, the guys an asswipe.
But the sad truth is that this government will do nothing to catch him out
as a fraudster, that's very hard work and even if they do catch him there is
no money it it for them and it costs money to investigate so instead they
chase the real dads that do care and lookout for their kids, they go for the
easy targets!
NRP refused for 8 years to comply with the CSA, he refused to support
his son privately prior to that also, he now is building his own
£500,000.00 house, he is a self employed builder of 25 years, claiming
not to be working so got a nil assesment, he was taken to appeal and
then to commissioner, and was done on deprivation of income, this took
4 years, so he has now signed on , so not only does he cheat his son
but the tax payer, and thats you and I, are paying him £60 a week from
our wages for him to live off while he works cash in hand and build
his palace, his partner earns £3,000 per month, they both live in a 6
bedroom house, your money is helping him to evade his responsibility
to his child and help him build this house, are you happy about
that? , is this a NRP that deserves your respect ?
There are two sides to every coin. When I was paying "the assessment"
very little of it went to my daughter. It appeared to be my ex's private
income. So, now I give my daughter the money she needs (far more than my
ex was giving her), and don't pay anything.
After all, it is the CHILD support agency, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
well i can assure you that this father doesnt give a dam where its
going, he isnt paying because to him £2,000 electric gagrage doors are
more important to him, and besides which where in my post did i say
that the money was mine to be spent on me ?!!!!!
there is one side to this coin, he can pay but wont pay, so why are
you trying to make excuses for him and make out that i deserve no
support as it will go to a shoe fund ??

fathers who do as you do, "im paying the child ", are so annoying,
what about the day to day costs of bringing up a child, or do you
only want the glory of buying the latest toy for you daughter so you
look good and mummy looks bad,
not all mother are as you are trying to make out, i spend a lot on my
son and his father pays nothing, not even a birthday card, so please
your support and excuses are ill placed.
Me
2008-06-10 14:44:58 UTC
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Post by Fletcher
You can't judge everybody by your ex.
Just as some dads are true deadbeats some mothers are a disgrace, some spend
all their money on drugs and drink and the kids go about in rags other than
what dad buys them, other are vindictive and use the children as weapons
denying access, should they get any money? There is no one shoe fits all in
child support although CSA would have us believe that under CSA everybody is
the same but that's another pile of crap lies too.
I was paying, but my daughter was seeing none of it. She used to come
and ask for money for clothes etc. The ex even took money out of my
daughter's money box. Now the money box is here. She gets her weekly
allowance, plus after a month or so she has enough to go and buy herself
some clothes.

And, at the end of the day, there is a room for her here. But if she did
that, so my ex maintains, my ex would be made homeless. Blackmail. So I
keep quiet, give her the money she needs, and wait until she flies the
nest.
Fletcher
2008-06-10 15:54:35 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by Fletcher
You can't judge everybody by your ex.
Just as some dads are true deadbeats some mothers are a disgrace, some spend
all their money on drugs and drink and the kids go about in rags other than
what dad buys them, other are vindictive and use the children as weapons
denying access, should they get any money? There is no one shoe fits all in
child support although CSA would have us believe that under CSA everybody is
the same but that's another pile of crap lies too.
I was paying, but my daughter was seeing none of it. She used to come
and ask for money for clothes etc. The ex even took money out of my
daughter's money box. Now the money box is here. She gets her weekly
allowance, plus after a month or so she has enough to go and buy herself
some clothes.
And, at the end of the day, there is a room for her here. But if she did
that, so my ex maintains, my ex would be made homeless. Blackmail. So I
keep quiet, give her the money she needs, and wait until she flies the
nest.
Yes I know the exact situation and trying to explain any of it to CSA is
like banging your head against a wall. In the end though you are proved to
be right when your kid decides enough is enough and comes to live with you.
Me
2008-06-10 16:55:02 UTC
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Post by Fletcher
Post by Me
Post by Fletcher
You can't judge everybody by your ex.
Just as some dads are true deadbeats some mothers are a disgrace, some spend
all their money on drugs and drink and the kids go about in rags other than
what dad buys them, other are vindictive and use the children as weapons
denying access, should they get any money? There is no one shoe fits all in
child support although CSA would have us believe that under CSA everybody is
the same but that's another pile of crap lies too.
I was paying, but my daughter was seeing none of it. She used to come
and ask for money for clothes etc. The ex even took money out of my
daughter's money box. Now the money box is here. She gets her weekly
allowance, plus after a month or so she has enough to go and buy herself
some clothes.
And, at the end of the day, there is a room for her here. But if she did
that, so my ex maintains, my ex would be made homeless. Blackmail. So I
keep quiet, give her the money she needs, and wait until she flies the
nest.
Yes I know the exact situation and trying to explain any of it to CSA is
like banging your head against a wall. In the end though you are proved to
be right when your kid decides enough is enough and comes to live with you.
Yes, one of them did. Turned up on the doorstep. "Dad, I've had enough".
Now she's gone to Uni, and I look after her. Better than bunging money
into some black hole.
Mick Beeby
2008-07-13 15:08:55 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by Fletcher
You can't judge everybody by your ex.
Just as some dads are true deadbeats some mothers are a disgrace, some spend
all their money on drugs and drink and the kids go about in rags other than
what dad buys them, other are vindictive and use the children as weapons
denying access, should they get any money? There is no one shoe fits
all
in
child support although CSA would have us believe that under CSA
everybody
is
the same but that's another pile of crap lies too.
I was paying, but my daughter was seeing none of it. She used to come
and ask for money for clothes etc. The ex even took money out of my
daughter's money box. Now the money box is here. She gets her weekly
allowance, plus after a month or so she has enough to go and buy herself
some clothes.
And, at the end of the day, there is a room for her here. But if she did
that, so my ex maintains, my ex would be made homeless. Blackmail. So I
keep quiet, give her the money she needs, and wait until she flies the
nest.
Yes I know the exact situation and trying to explain any of it to CSA is
like banging your head against a wall. In the end though you are proved to
be right when your kid decides enough is enough and comes to live with you.
Yes, one of them did. Turned up on the doorstep. "Dad, I've had enough".
Now she's gone to Uni, and I look after her. Better than bunging money
into some black hole.
Not been about here for a while as been knocking around on www.nacsa.co.uk
and www.dads-uk.co.uk but this does give me somehting positive to think
about it as I'm in a very similar situation.

As Fletcher knows ( I spoke to him by phone a good while back)., my ex was
off tot he CSA after an easy cash cow, after I'd been paying her
voluntariliy for over 5 years. The end result, she gets £20 pcm and I now
pay my girls direct. At least now I know that it goes on them.

I appreciate that there are day to day costs to looking after children and I
sympathise with debbi, where her ex is totally avoiding any financial
responsibility. I'm assuming he has no interest in contact either?

Certainly with my ex, she has conditioned me into the attitude that she
wants the girls living with her so the housing/food costs are her
contribution towards their upbringing. If she doesn't want to apy for that
then they have a room each here and I'd be overjoyed if they turned up on my
doorstep to live.

As Fletcher says, there are a lot of deadbeat Dads that give us bad names.
There are also a lot of mothers that just look on father as a cash cow and
minimise or deny contact with fathers and their children at their own whims.
Me
2008-06-10 14:15:45 UTC
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Post by d***@btinternet.com
well i can assure you that this father doesnt give a dam where its
going, he isnt paying because to him £2,000 electric gagrage doors are
more important to him, and besides which where in my post did i say
that the money was mine to be spent on me ?!!!!!
there is one side to this coin, he can pay but wont pay, so why are
you trying to make excuses for him and make out that i deserve no
support as it will go to a shoe fund ??
fathers who do as you do, "im paying the child ", are so annoying,
what about the day to day costs of bringing up a child, or do you
only want the glory of buying the latest toy for you daughter so you
look good and mummy looks bad,
not all mother are as you are trying to make out, i spend a lot on my
son and his father pays nothing, not even a birthday card, so please
your support and excuses are ill placed.
Its a choice. You chose to have a child, and presumably chose to take
custody. Therefore you have your responsibilites. And if that means
working extra to provide for yourself as well as the child then so be
it.

When I had custody of the kids I didn't ask for a penny. I had a job,
access to childminders, and the house didn't cost me very much more than
if I had a one bedroomed flat.

Stop blaming fathers for everything, or thinking that you deserve
something. I looked after them because they were my children, and I was
more than glad to.

I could take the view that I won't pay the two-timing unfaithful bitch
anything. I won't. Things go wrong. And *BOTH* parents must be
responsible for the children.
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