Discussion:
How to pronounce Langevin?
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Twist Turner
2004-04-25 14:25:59 UTC
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I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?



Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
ScotFraser
2004-04-25 16:12:32 UTC
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<< I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right? >>

The first pro board I ever worked in the 70's was a Langevin & the old timer
who had heavily modded it said "Lonj-van", with the emphasis on the first
syllable, as it would be in French. That's how I've pronounced it since.


Scott Fraser
John
2004-04-25 17:29:08 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
We need to just get EveAnna to reply to this. Since Manley owns the name, I
suppose they own the pronounciation of it too. The only thing I know about it
is that the q is silent.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com
Arjan P
2004-04-26 00:29:45 UTC
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Post by John
We need to just get EveAnna to reply to this. Since Manley owns the
name, I suppose they own the pronounciation of it too.
And they did refer to it on their website too:
http://www.manleylabs.com/containerpages/LDVC.html (scroll down; first
question in the Langevin FAQ) Not that they really answer the question,
they just say the G is soft..

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EveAnna Manley
2004-05-01 04:10:32 UTC
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Post by John
We need to just get EveAnna to reply to this. Since Manley owns the
name, I suppose they own the pronounciation of it too.
We say "Lawnjuhvan" around here. Sorry I don't know how to type those
schwa things (upside down "e") that probably should sorta be there. We
try to pronounce it fairly french-like as that's where the name came
from. Right?

My maiden name is French. "Dauray"
Rhymes with "door way"

It used to be D'Auray a long time ago...
I have been to Auray. It's a nice place.
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John
2004-05-01 19:39:23 UTC
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Date: 5/1/2004 12:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Post by John
We need to just get EveAnna to reply to this. Since Manley owns the
name, I suppose they own the pronounciation of it too.
We say "Lawnjuhvan" around here. Sorry I don't know how to type those
schwa things (upside down "e") that probably should sorta be there. We
try to pronounce it fairly french-like as that's where the name came
from. Right?
My maiden name is French. "Dauray"
Rhymes with "door way"
It used to be D'Auray a long time ago...
I have been to Auray. It's a nice place.
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Manley Laboratories, Inc. 13880 Magnolia Ave. Chino, CA. 91710
Tel: (909) 627-4256 Fax: (909) 628-2482
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Sweet. She replied to my request. I have this strange vicarious feeling...
Like that's about as close as I'm going to get to owning an actual piece of
their kit.
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Bert Kraaijpoel
2004-04-25 17:37:15 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
If it is French the prononciation will be close to what Scot Fraser
indicates except for the emphasis. I don't know about Canadian French,
at home, my wife and I, we speak French French. The emphasis should be
on the last syllable.

My regards,
Bert
Cass Anawaty
2004-04-25 18:17:24 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Hahaha. I asked this very question at their booth at Winter Namm. I
was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin"....
CAA
EggHd
2004-04-25 21:14:42 UTC
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<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>

That's how I have always pronounced it.



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Richard Crowley
2004-04-25 22:22:29 UTC
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"EggHd" wrote ...
Post by EggHd
<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>
That's how I have always pronounced it.
Likewise.
Phil Brown
2004-04-25 22:55:42 UTC
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Post by Richard Crowley
Post by EggHd
<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>
That's how I have always pronounced it.
Likewise.
We had racks of Langevin preamps at CBS and we always said "lanj-a-vin."
Phil Brown
Geoff Wood
2004-04-25 10:07:48 UTC
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Post by EggHd
<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>
That's how I have always pronounced it.
I'd vote for "long van"

geoff
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2004-04-27 01:12:09 UTC
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Post by EggHd
<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>
That's how I have always pronounced it.
And that's how I always heard it other than from an occasional person who
knew nothing about audio.
Roger W. Norman
2004-04-28 13:40:04 UTC
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Post by Bob Olhsson
And that's how I always heard it other than from an occasional person who
knew nothing about audio.
Shucks, then after all these years of paying attention to you and Glenn
Meadows and Ethan and Bill Park I still haven't learned anything because I
always pronouced it wrong. Then again, I wasn't think "french". In my case
it was always Lang -a-vin. Then again, truth be told, I don't recall
actually ever actually "pronoucing" it.
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Steve King
2004-04-28 17:24:58 UTC
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Post by Roger W. Norman
Post by Bob Olhsson
And that's how I always heard it other than from an occasional person who
knew nothing about audio.
Shucks, then after all these years of paying attention to you and Glenn
Meadows and Ethan and Bill Park I still haven't learned anything because I
always pronouced it wrong. Then again, I wasn't think "french". In my case
it was always Lang -a-vin. Then again, truth be told, I don't recall
actually ever actually "pronoucing" it.
Unless 32 Langevin AM 5116-B (tube) preamps/line amps were used in the first
console you built.... then, inevitably, the word comes up in
conversations.;-)

Steve King
Don Cooper
2004-04-29 00:44:55 UTC
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Post by EggHd
<< I was told it's "Lawn-juh-vin".... >>
That's how I have always pronounced it.
Me too. We had several at a studio I worked at in the late '70's - early
'80's. It was the model that they show in the intro of the early E!
"Howard Stern" shows.


Don
NewYorkDave
2004-04-26 00:34:22 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
If it's French, it's "lanj-VAN"

But, like Twist Turner, I always want to pronounce it Lang-a-vin.
marty
2004-04-26 08:46:11 UTC
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On the subject of pronouncing gear names;
I always wondered how Neve is pronounced.
One or two syllables? Should I pronounce the last 'e' ? Is the first
'e' long or short? Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks!
Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Geoff Wood
2004-04-25 10:10:23 UTC
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Post by marty
On the subject of pronouncing gear names;
I always wondered how Neve is pronounced.
One or two syllables? Should I pronounce the last 'e' ? Is the first
'e' long or short? Can anyone enlighten me?
I always pronounced it nev-eh, like the snowfeild. But Rupert says it's
Neve as in "leave".

geoff
HenryShap
2004-04-26 10:18:56 UTC
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It's "long-john's". The solid state ones are plaid, the older tube ones are red
with the flap in the back.

Henry
Terry King
2004-05-10 13:53:01 UTC
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Post by Paul
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation
Lan Juh Vin
That same pronunciation is used by a woman Engineer I knew at IBM
named Kelly Langevin. But we're pretty used to French pronunciations up
here in the U.S. North Country where the nearest big city is Montreal...
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Paul
2004-04-26 14:06:38 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation

Lan Juh Vin
Justin Ulysses Morse
2004-05-03 03:04:17 UTC
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Post by Paul
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation
Lan Juh Vin
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher. I'm not saying your
friend is as dumb as my English teacher, but you never do know can
tell.

ulysses
Mike Rivers
2004-05-03 12:35:59 UTC
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Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher.
I had an English teacher in high school who insisted that the name of
the character in the book Don Juan was pronounced JOO-wahn, because
the author was English, not Spanish.




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Scott Dorsey
2004-05-03 14:39:44 UTC
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Post by Mike Rivers
Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher.
I had an English teacher in high school who insisted that the name of
the character in the book Don Juan was pronounced JOO-wahn, because
the author was English, not Spanish.
Hey, that's how Byron pronounced it and that's good enough for me.
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Geoff Wood
2004-05-02 19:37:01 UTC
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Post by Mike Rivers
Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced
it Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher.
I had an English teacher in high school who insisted that the name of
the character in the book Don Juan was pronounced JOO-wahn, because
the author was English, not Spanish.
When I was living in Mexico a visiting friend made a genuine attempt at a
restaurant to request more cheese in espanol. Mas queso (qwey-zoh, as is
quaver) por favor. Which has lived on in our memories for15 years !

geoff
Mike Rivers
2004-05-03 22:44:53 UTC
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Post by Geoff Wood
When I was living in Mexico a visiting friend made a genuine attempt at a
restaurant to request more cheese in espanol. Mas queso (qwey-zoh
The parents of a friend of mine were visiting him in Japan. They were
staying at the Hilton, which in Japanese is pronounced kind of like
HERE-oo-tin. They apparently knew this, sort of, and kept trying to
tell a cab driver hi-ROOT-in. It didn't work.

I did see someone wearing a T-shirt over there that had a picture of a
sports car and said "Load Lace."





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2004-05-03 00:26:54 UTC
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Post by Mike Rivers
Post by Geoff Wood
When I was living in Mexico a visiting friend made a genuine attempt
at a restaurant to request more cheese in espanol. Mas queso
(qwey-zoh
The parents of a friend of mine were visiting him in Japan. They were
staying at the Hilton, which in Japanese is pronounced kind of like
HERE-oo-tin. They apparently knew this, sort of, and kept trying to
tell a cab driver hi-ROOT-in. It didn't work.
I did see someone wearing a T-shirt over there that had a picture of a
sports car and said "Load Lace."
And talking of people unable to pronounce basic words in foreign tongues, it
is "new- clear" not "new-kew-lar"

geoff
transducr
2004-05-04 02:23:48 UTC
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Post by Mike Rivers
Post by Geoff Wood
When I was living in Mexico a visiting friend made a genuine attempt at a
restaurant to request more cheese in espanol. Mas queso (qwey-zoh
The parents of a friend of mine were visiting him in Japan. They were
staying at the Hilton, which in Japanese is pronounced kind of like
HERE-oo-tin. They apparently knew this, sort of, and kept trying to
tell a cab driver hi-ROOT-in. It didn't work.
I did see someone wearing a T-shirt over there that had a picture of a
sports car and said "Load Lace."
i SERIOUSLY want that shirt.
Last Samurai
2004-05-03 21:33:18 UTC
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Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
Post by Paul
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation
Lan Juh Vin
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher. I'm not saying your
friend is as dumb as my English teacher, but you never do know can
tell.
ulysses
isn't that how the Dubois, Idaho pronounced as?

I was told that there is some story behind it. IIRC, something about a
weird name that the people wanted to register for their town, the
officials refused and at the last moment picked a random name, of some
city official. People were pissed and they decided to pronounce it as
Doo-Boys.
S O'Neill
2004-05-04 07:51:23 UTC
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Post by Last Samurai
Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
Post by Paul
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation
Lan Juh Vin
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher. I'm not saying your
friend is as dumb as my English teacher, but you never do know can
tell.
ulysses
isn't that how the Dubois, Idaho pronounced as?
I was told that there is some story behind it. IIRC, something about a
weird name that the people wanted to register for their town, the
officials refused and at the last moment picked a random name, of some
city official. People were pissed and they decided to pronounce it as
Doo-Boys.
The name of the town was Never Sweat, at the headwaters of the Wind
River in western Wyoming. It grew large enough they wanted a post
office, so they submitted it to the PG of the US. He said you can have
your post office, but it's gonna be called DuBois (doo-bwa, the PG's own
name). The people said no, it's gonna be Doo-boys.
Last Samurai
2004-05-06 19:54:49 UTC
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Post by Last Samurai
isn't that how the Dubois, Idaho pronounced as?
I was told that there is some story behind it. IIRC, something about a
weird name that the people wanted to register for their town, the
officials refused and at the last moment picked a random name, of some
city official. People were pissed and they decided to pronounce it as
Doo-Boys.
The name of the town was Never Sweat, at the headwaters of the Wind
River in western Wyoming. It grew large enough they wanted a post
office, so they submitted it to the PG of the US. He said you can have
your post office, but it's gonna be called DuBois (doo-bwa, the PG's own
name). The people said no, it's gonna be Doo-boys.
Thanks! Yes, never sweat it was. I vaguely remembered the reference to
some post office. I was told about this when a couple of my colleagues
visited the town and came back with this interesting history.
Chris!
2004-05-04 10:13:20 UTC
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Post by Last Samurai
I was told that there is some story behind it. IIRC, something about a
weird name that the people wanted to register for their town, the
officials refused and at the last moment picked a random name, of some
city official. People were pissed and they decided to pronounce it as
Doo-Boys.
The lovely town of Buena Vista, Virginia, is pronounced so that the first
syllable rhymes with "you".
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Post by Last Samurai
I was told that there is some story behind it. IIRC, something about a
weird name that the people wanted to register for their town, the
officials refused and at the last moment picked a random name, of some
city official. People were pissed and they decided to pronounce it as
Doo-Boys.
The lovely town of Buena Vista, Virginia, is pronounced so that the first
syllable rhymes with "you".
Buena Yousta?
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Mike Rivers
2004-05-04 13:25:17 UTC
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Post by Chris!
The lovely town of Buena Vista, Virginia, is pronounced so that the first
syllable rhymes with "you".
They pronounce Pulaski as PYEW-lasky.


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2004-05-03 21:35:17 UTC
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Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
Post by Paul
I had a friend I use to work with with that name... his pronounciation
Lan Juh Vin
You can't count on people to know how to pronounce their own name. I
had a high school English teacher named Mrs. Dubois. She pronounced it
Do-Boys. Good thing she wasn't a French teacher. I'm not saying your
friend is as dumb as my English teacher, but you never do know can
tell.
There's a lot of that going on here in New Orleans. Do you know the
correct pronunciation of Burgundy St., Carondelet St., and Chartres St.?

It's burr-GUN-dee, (emphasis on 2nd syllable) not burg-un-dee;
carr-ron-dell-LET, not "lay" and Chartres is pronounced charters, not like
the cathedral in France.
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Andre Majorel
2004-04-26 17:26:39 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
He is.

Langevin is a name from the North-West of France. In French, G
followed by E is always a soft, flat J sound, as the last G in
garage.

You may or may not pronounce the e, both are acceptable.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to find an equivalent in English,
as the AN in lan, the E in ge and the IN in vin are three sounds
that don't exist in English. But "lanjevin" is definitely the
closest. Just don't make it sound like "langgevin" or
"landjevin".

Langevins born in France between 1891 and 1915:

http://www.cartedefrance.tm.fr/cgi-bin/geopatro/francepatro.cgi?numero=0036152&periode=1
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Justin Ulysses Morse
2004-05-03 03:07:36 UTC
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Post by Andre Majorel
Langevin is a name from the North-West of France. In French, G
followed by E is always a soft, flat J sound, as the last G in
garage.
You may or may not pronounce the e, both are acceptable.
Unfortunately, it's difficult to find an equivalent in English,
as the AN in lan, the E in ge and the IN in vin are three sounds
that don't exist in English. But "lanjevin" is definitely the
closest. Just don't make it sound like "langgevin" or
"landjevin".
Okay, but if you're going to follow all the rules of French
pronunciation then the 2nd N should be silent. Lahn-je-vah. That's
why I quit French and switched to Spanish in school. I always felt
silly only saying half of every word.

ulysses
S O'Neill
2004-05-03 18:46:23 UTC
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Post by Justin Ulysses Morse
Okay, but if you're going to follow all the rules of French
pronunciation then the 2nd N should be silent. Lahn-je-vah.
Actually not silent but a nasal N. Definitely an N dressed up as an H.
Analogeezer
2004-04-26 18:06:42 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
This kind of reminds me of how the Roland Corp. got it's name. The
founder wanted a name that would be pronounced the same regardless of
language (well within reason), and was in London, and saw the name in
a phone book.

so he decided to call the company "Roland"


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2016-02-15 15:09:05 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Frank Stearns
2016-02-15 16:56:01 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
I've been around in this for a little over 40 years, did some work as a teen in an
old-time studio that had a 12x4 Langevin console... They always said "Lanj-a-vin".
In later years when the brand was mentioned, also always heard it as Lanj-a-vin.

FWIW.

Frank
Mobile Audio
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Don Pearce
2016-02-15 17:01:43 UTC
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Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Lonzh-uh-van is about as close as I can type. Except the final n is
not pronounced fully - it is a nasal French termination in which the
tongue tip does not touch the roof of the mouth.

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geoff
2016-02-15 20:56:28 UTC
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Post by Don Pearce
Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Lonzh-uh-van is about as close as I can type. Except the final n is
not pronounced fully - it is a nasal French termination in which the
tongue tip does not touch the roof of the mouth.
d
I go with this one. Maybe even completely dropping the "-uh-".

geoff
JackA
2016-02-15 23:26:34 UTC
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Post by geoff
Post by Don Pearce
Post by Twist Turner
I just talked to a guy who had been in the studio business for 45 years,
his cusom built board from the 60's was built with AM16 modules. He
pronounced it Lanj-a-vin, I always thought it was pronounced Lang-a-vin.
Which is right?
Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70
Sounds like music (on site) of the early 70's!! Not bad!

Jack
Post by geoff
Post by Don Pearce
Lonzh-uh-van is about as close as I can type. Except the final n is
not pronounced fully - it is a nasal French termination in which the
tongue tip does not touch the roof of the mouth.
d
I go with this one. Maybe even completely dropping the "-uh-".
geoff
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