Discussion:
Lawrence of Arabia's motorcycle when killed?
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w***@yahoo.com
2009-10-25 00:41:14 UTC
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The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.

ted
Bob Mann
2009-10-25 00:45:19 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
ted
A Brough Superior
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S'mee
2009-10-25 00:47:35 UTC
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Post by Bob Mann
Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
ted
A Brough Superior
Nope it was a suzuki! you stupid git. ;^) Anyway he prefered JAP
motorcycles
Eiron
2009-10-25 07:14:44 UTC
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Post by Bob Mann
Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
ted
A Brough Superior
There's a rumour that George Bernard Shaw bought it for him in return for sexual favours.
At least the two were friends and Lawrence had several Broughs....
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Bob Mann
2009-10-25 15:35:35 UTC
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Post by Bob Mann
Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
ted
A Brough Superior
There's a rumour that George Bernard Shaw bought it for him in return
for sexual favours. At least the two were friends and Lawrence had
several Broughs....
Quite possible.
He was played by Peter O'Toole in the movie.
(heheheheh - he said tool).
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little man upon the stair
2009-10-25 15:53:32 UTC
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Post by Bob Mann
Quite possible.
He was played by Peter O'Toole in the movie.
I saw "Lawrence of Arabia" and "Beckett" with a college friend who
remarked that
Peter O'Toole was going to wind up with the reputation of being gay. I
had no idea what he was talking about at the time.
S'mee
2009-10-25 00:45:55 UTC
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On Oct 24, 6:41 pm, ***@yahoo.com wrote:

Well gee if a smart cock sucker like you doesn't know...then nobody
knows. But I'll give you a hint it was a suzuki.

Now teddy do the universe a favour, kill yourself.
little man upon the stair
2009-10-25 01:26:53 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
It was a Brough Superior. The only one of those I've ever seen belongs
to Jay Leno.

T. E. Lawrence owned two of them, as I recall and wrote two articles
about how he used to go for rides in the English countryside. He
called them "the Thunderers" or something similar.

You can find the stories on the interweb...

There is no doubt that T. E. L. was an out-of-the-closet homosexual,
he admitted it from the first chapter of "Seven Pillars of Wisdom",
which was originally serialized in a London newpaper for the public to
read.

T. E. L. said that the prostitutes in the Middle East were
undesireable and that he and his associates "turned to each other" for
relief.

But the way that Lawrence described how Turkish soldiers held him down
and raped him made it sound like he enjoyed it.

And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.

If that isn't gay, what is?
Tim
2009-10-25 02:38:55 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
It was a Brough Superior. The only one of those I've ever seen belongs
to Jay Leno.
T. E. Lawrence owned two of them, as I recall and wrote two articles
about how he used to go for rides in the English countryside. He
called them "the Thunderers" or something similar.
You can find the stories on the interweb...
There is no doubt that T. E. L. was an out-of-the-closet homosexual,
he admitted it from the first chapter of "Seven Pillars of Wisdom",
which was originally serialized in a London newpaper for the public to
read.
T. E. L. said that the prostitutes in the Middle East were
undesireable and that he and his associates "turned to each other" for
relief.
But the way that Lawrence described how Turkish soldiers held him down
and raped him made it sound like he enjoyed it.
And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.
If that isn't gay, what is?
You and Ted. You're the two people on this newsgroup who can't manage
to discuss motorcycling without constantly bringing up homosexuality.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
2009-10-25 03:09:07 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
There is no doubt that T. E. L. was an out-of-the-closet homosexual,
he admitted it from the first chapter of "Seven Pillars of Wisdom",
which was originally serialized in a London newpaper for the public
to read.
T. E. L. said that the prostitutes in the Middle East were
undesireable and that he and his associates "turned to each other"
for relief.
But the way that Lawrence described how Turkish soldiers held him
down and raped him made it sound like he enjoyed it.
And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.
If that isn't gay, what is?
He was your relative, right?
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Road Glidin' Don
2009-10-25 03:54:25 UTC
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On Oct 24, 9:09 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by little man upon the stair
There is no doubt that T. E. L. was an out-of-the-closet homosexual,
he admitted it from the first chapter of "Seven Pillars of Wisdom",
which was originally serialized in a London newpaper for the public
to read.
T. E. L. said that the prostitutes in the Middle East were
undesireable and that he and his associates "turned to each other"
for relief.
But the way that Lawrence described how Turkish soldiers held him
down and raped him made it sound like he enjoyed it.
And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.
If that isn't gay, what is?
He was your relative, right?
LOL!
J. Clarke
2009-10-25 04:00:53 UTC
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Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by little man upon the stair
There is no doubt that T. E. L. was an out-of-the-closet homosexual,
he admitted it from the first chapter of "Seven Pillars of Wisdom",
which was originally serialized in a London newpaper for the public
to read.
T. E. L. said that the prostitutes in the Middle East were
undesireable and that he and his associates "turned to each other"
for relief.
But the way that Lawrence described how Turkish soldiers held him
down and raped him made it sound like he enjoyed it.
And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.
If that isn't gay, what is?
He was your relative, right?
Leaving aside all criticism of Krusty, Lawrence admitted to Colonel
Meinertzagen that he was disturbed by being raped by the Turk--the
disturbing thing was that, as he put it, "I rather enjoyed it". I don't
recall now whether that was in "Army Diary" or "Middle East Diary".

I don't recall Lawrence saying that he and his associates "turned to each
other" but I do recall his saying that having seen Arab women he could
understand why Arabs screw goats.

Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really should--it's a
Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East will be much more
comprehensible.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-25 15:27:13 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really should--it's a
Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East will be much more
comprehensible.
Echoed, in spades, redoubled.

It's one of the great insurgency/counter-insurgency textbooks. The
Jungle Is neutral is another and, for my money, Devil's Guard is a
third.
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J. Clarke
2009-10-25 17:01:17 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really
should--it's a Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East
will be much more comprehensible.
Echoed, in spades, redoubled.
It's one of the great insurgency/counter-insurgency textbooks. The
Jungle Is neutral is another and, for my money, Devil's Guard is a
third.
Haven't read either of those, but have added them to the list.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-25 17:37:47 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really
should--it's a Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East
will be much more comprehensible.
Echoed, in spades, redoubled.
It's one of the great insurgency/counter-insurgency textbooks. The
Jungle Is neutral is another and, for my money, Devil's Guard is a
third.
Haven't read either of those, but have added them to the list.
The Jungle is Neutral is Spencer Chapman. Truly great account of the
anti-Japanese guerilla war in Malaysia.

Devil's Guard was written by an ex-Waffen SS bod who joined the French
Foreign Legion and fought the Viet Minh in the 1950s.

In one telling chapter, he recounts how he and other officers scoured
Hanoi's bookshops for copies of Chapman, which they regarded as the
definitive jungle warfare/counter-terrorism work.

That said, what he and his fellow soliders did was quite extraordinary,
too.
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J. Clarke
2009-10-25 18:08:03 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really
should--it's a Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East
will be much more comprehensible.
Echoed, in spades, redoubled.
It's one of the great insurgency/counter-insurgency textbooks. The
Jungle Is neutral is another and, for my money, Devil's Guard is a
third.
Haven't read either of those, but have added them to the list.
The Jungle is Neutral is Spencer Chapman. Truly great account of the
anti-Japanese guerilla war in Malaysia.
Devil's Guard was written by an ex-Waffen SS bod who joined the French
Foreign Legion and fought the Viet Minh in the 1950s.
In one telling chapter, he recounts how he and other officers scoured
Hanoi's bookshops for copies of Chapman, which they regarded as the
definitive jungle warfare/counter-terrorism work.
That said, what he and his fellow soliders did was quite
extraordinary, too.
I really ought to hunt up my Viet Cong acquaintance and ask her what
reference _they_ used. Lost touch with her long, long ago though. Be
interesting to find out.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-25 18:48:38 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
I really ought to hunt up my Viet Cong acquaintance and ask her what
reference _they_ used.
Oral history would be my guess.
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Sean_Q_
2009-10-25 22:37:54 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
I really ought to hunt up my Viet Cong acquaintance and ask her what
reference _they_ used.
I can think of a few possibilities:

_The Art of War_ by Sun Tzu
_The Iliad_ by Homer
_The Anabasis_ by Xenophon
_Commentaries on the Gallic War_ by Julius Caesar
_The Prince_ by Niccolo Machiavelli
_Vom Kriege_ by Carl von Clausewitz
_With Napoleon in Russia_ by Armand de Caulaincourt
_On Guerrilla Warfare_ by Mao Tse-tung
_People's Army, People's War_ by Vo Nguyen Giap

SQ
J. Clarke
2009-10-26 00:00:59 UTC
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Sean_Q_ wrote:
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Post by Sean_Q_
_People's Army, People's War_ by Vo Nguyen Giap
Published originally in 1962, that would almost certainly be what the troops
were issued.
Sean_Q_
2009-10-26 04:21:47 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Published originally in 1962, that would almost certainly be what the troops
were issued.
Whatever else they studied, the VC would have received
a political education. Strangely, in contrast, some Americans
seemed to go out of their way to announce their lack of same
in lyrical form. Here are 4 examples:

In the year '64 we were fighting a war
For a reason that we hardly knew
Many tears had been shed many loved ones lay dead
In the fight 'tween the Grey and the Blue
-- Dry Branch Fire Squad

We had an apartment in the city,
Me and Loretta liked living there.
It'd been years since the kids had grown,
A life of their own and left us alone.
John and Linda live in Omaha,
And Joe is somewhere on the road.
We lost Davy in the Korean war,
Still don't know what for,
Don't matter anymore.
-- John Prine

Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me too
What a wonderful world this would be
-- Sam Cooke

Now, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Viet Nam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
-- Country Joe McDonald

SQ
Twibil
2009-10-26 05:40:05 UTC
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Post by Sean_Q_
Whatever else they studied, the VC would have received
a political education.
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".

The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a generalized
political education and then letting them make their own decisions is
more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling* them what to
believe and then punishing them if and when they fail to agree; as the
VC did with their "reeducation camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeducation_camp

Thus, we tend to have some songs that question the reasons behind our
wars, rather than simply accepting them as the good things that our
politicians have frequently told us that they are.

And to this day, most of us like to think that our freedom to question
our government's official positions is a *good* thing.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 08:21:41 UTC
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Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a generalized
political education and then letting them make their own decisions is
more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling* them what to
believe and then punishing them if and when they fail to agree; as the
VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
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J. Clarke
2009-10-26 11:17:09 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a
generalized political education and then letting them make their own
decisions is more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling*
them what to believe and then punishing them if and when they fail
to agree; as the VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
Guantanamo is not about "political reeducation", it is about getting
information out of terrorists while keeping them away from the ambulance
chasers and papparazzi.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 11:34:12 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a
generalized political education and then letting them make their own
decisions is more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling*
them what to believe and then punishing them if and when they fail
to agree; as the VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
Guantanamo is not about "political reeducation",
Yes, fair point.
Post by J. Clarke
it is about getting
information out of terrorists while keeping them away from the ambulance
chasers and papparazzi.
While (perhaps inevitably) catching a fair few innocents in the net.
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J. Clarke
2009-10-26 12:56:20 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a
generalized political education and then letting them make their
own decisions is more in the spirit of a free country than is
*telling* them what to believe and then punishing them if and when
they fail to agree; as the VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
Guantanamo is not about "political reeducation",
Yes, fair point.
Post by J. Clarke
it is about getting
information out of terrorists while keeping them away from the
ambulance chasers and papparazzi.
While (perhaps inevitably) catching a fair few innocents in the net.
Could be, but that happens in any system, and the terrorists have caught
more than a few innocents in _their_ net too. In any case, you're talking
about something under 300 detainees, which is hardly widespread oppression
of the masses.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 13:12:10 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
While (perhaps inevitably) catching a fair few innocents in the net.
Could be, but that happens in any system, and the terrorists have caught
more than a few innocents in _their_ net too.
Not justifiable as an excuse, I'm afraid.
Post by J. Clarke
In any case, you're talking
about something under 300 detainees, which is hardly widespread oppression
of the masses.
Yes, I'd agree here too.
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Chuck Rhode
2009-10-26 15:01:37 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
In any case, you're talking about something under 300 detainees,
which is hardly widespread oppression of the masses.
Yes, I'd agree here too.
Those are official figures. There are or were thousands overseas to
hear talk, not to mention strip searches at airports around the world,
which *is* oppression. They haven't gotten around to it yet, but I
expect full-body X-rays are coming to bus terminals, subway platforms,
and train stations near you.
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2009-10-26 18:53:02 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by J. Clarke
Post by The Older Gentleman
While (perhaps inevitably) catching a fair few innocents in the net.
Could be, but that happens in any system, and the terrorists have caught
more than a few innocents in _their_ net too.  
Not justifiable as an excuse, I'm afraid.
No excuse is necessary. Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt. Period. No excuse and no
apology.

The difference is that legitimate g0verning bodies will go to great
lengths to minimize the collateral damage, while any collateral damage
is considered by the terrorists to constitute "enhanced results." (And
that includes anyone killed or wounded who were not initially or
originally targetted by the terrorists, any injured/killed terrorists,
and any innocents caught up in the search for the terrorists.)
Twibil
2009-10-26 19:11:37 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Not justifiable as an excuse, I'm afraid.
No excuse is necessary.  Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt.  Period.  No excuse and no
apology.
The difference is that legitimate governing bodies will go to great
lengths to minimize the collateral damage, while any collateral damage
is considered by the terrorists to constitute "enhanced results." (And
that includes anyone killed or wounded who were not initially or
originally targetted by the terrorists, any injured/killed terrorists,
and any innocents caught up in the search for the terrorists.)
Thank you.

Like a lot of Brits, TOG loves to piss on Americans from an assumed
higher moral plane while at the same time posting from a country that
grants it's citizens less freedom than Americans enjoy and which
currently has at *least* as many political, economic, racial, and
ethnic problems as we do.

His opinions are best taken with a pound of salt.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 20:54:55 UTC
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Post by Twibil
Like a lot of Brits, TOG loves to piss on Americans from an assumed
higher moral plane while at the same time posting from a country that
grants it's citizens less freedom than Americans enjoy and which
currently has at *least* as many political, economic, racial, and
ethnic problems as we do.
Nope. I thoroughly despise our present government as much as I did your
last one ;-)
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The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 20:54:55 UTC
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Post by ***@erols.com
No excuse is necessary. Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt. Period. No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.

There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."

And there may be occasions when it's not. I don't think everything
Gitmo-related is entirely justified.
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Vito
2009-10-26 21:14:14 UTC
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"The Older Gentleman" <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
| And there may be occasions when it's not. I don't think everything
| Gitmo-related is entirely justified.
|
I agree. There is no reason we should be holding anyone at Gitmo unless
they are providing information. Those who are not should be executed.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 22:05:33 UTC
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Post by Vito
| And there may be occasions when it's not. I don't think everything
| Gitmo-related is entirely justified.
|
I agree. There is no reason we should be holding anyone at Gitmo unless
they are providing information. Those who are not should be executed.
Heh :-)
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2009-10-26 22:25:33 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
No excuse is necessary.  Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt.  Period.  No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.
There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."
And there may be occasions when it's not. I don't think everything
Gitmo-related is entirely justified.
Agreed. Also, a lot easier to sort out now, long after the fact,
rather than then, at the time when the attacks were fresh, raw, and it
was unknown if others were imminent.
Beav
2009-10-27 17:10:15 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by ***@erols.com
No excuse is necessary. Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt. Period. No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.
There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."
You are Jack Bauer and I claim my 5 quid reward. :-)
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The Older Gentleman
2009-10-27 17:12:41 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by ***@erols.com
No excuse is necessary. Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt. Period. No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.
There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."
You are Jack Bauer and I claim my 5 quid reward. :-)
Hmf? Sorry, don't get the reference.
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2009-10-27 19:35:48 UTC
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Post by Beav
Post by The Older Gentleman
No excuse is necessary.  Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt.  Period.  No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.
There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."
You are Jack Bauer and I claim my 5 quid reward. :-)
Hmf? Sorry, don't get the reference.
Wiki:

Jack Bauer is the protagonist of the American television series 24, in
which he has trained and worked in various capacities as a government
agent, including U.S. Army Delta Force, Los Angeles Police Department,
SWAT, CIA, and during the course of the show the Counter Terrorist
Unit, CTU and the FBI (in the latest season 7). Within the 24
storyline, he is a key member of CTU and is often noted as the best
agent CTU has. Bauer's job usually involves him helping prevent major
terrorist attacks on the United States, saving both civilian lives and
government administrations. On many occasions Jack does so at great
personal expense, as those he thwarts subsequently target him and his
loved ones. Actor Kiefer Sutherland portrays Jack Bauer in the
television show[1] and video game, and in 2006 signed on for at least
three further seasons.[2] Bauer's use of torture during interrogation
is often cited as an inspiration for CIA interrogators.[3][4]
little man upon the stair
2009-10-27 19:53:55 UTC
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Hey! Wiki c&p's aren't acceptable in this particular cesspool of
depravity!
S'mee
2009-10-28 00:32:32 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
Hey! Wiki c&p's aren't acceptable in this particular cesspool of
depravity!
ROTFLMAO..the little senile bitch is whining about somebody doing
better what he does on anything requiring FACTS. <chuckle> damn boy
you really are a little whiney punk assed bitch aren't you?
Tim
2009-10-28 01:40:49 UTC
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On Oct 27, 3:53 pm, little krusty beating off upon the stair
Post by little man upon the stair
Hey! Wiki c&p's aren't acceptable in this particular cesspool of
depravity!
The difference is that I didn't pretend that it was my knowledge I was
posting; I credited the source.

You, otoh, have never given credit to anyone or anything other than
yourself and your non-illustrious ancestral masturbetters.
little man upon the stair
2009-10-28 02:16:30 UTC
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Post by Tim
You, otoh, have never given credit to anyone or anything other than
yourself and your non-illustrious ancestral masturbetters.
Hey, this is Useless Net, it's not some frikkin' ass-licking
meritocracy....

Ummmm, I could be wrong about the ass-licking part, if Butt Sniffer
and The Evil Clown are online...

BTW, if y'all are waiting for me to die, you'll have a lo-o-o-o-ong
wait, as all my ancestors have lived to a ripe old age.
tomorrow@erols.com
2009-10-28 15:59:30 UTC
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On Oct 27, 10:16 pm, little man beating off upon the stair
Hey
Ummmm
BTW
(yawn)
Beav
2009-10-28 20:52:00 UTC
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Post by ***@erols.com
Jack Bauer is the protagonist of the American television series 24, in
which he has trained and worked in various capacities as a government
agent, including U.S. Army Delta Force, Los Angeles Police Department,
SWAT, CIA, and during the course of the show the Counter Terrorist
Unit, CTU and the FBI (in the latest season 7). Within the 24
storyline, he is a key member of CTU and is often noted as the best
agent CTU has. Bauer's job usually involves him helping prevent major
terrorist attacks on the United States, saving both civilian lives and
government administrations. On many occasions Jack does so at great
personal expense, as those he thwarts subsequently target him and his
loved ones. Actor Kiefer Sutherland portrays Jack Bauer in the
television show[1] and video game,
There's a GAME? Looks like a trip to Amazon for me -)
Post by ***@erols.com
and in 2006 signed on for at least
three further seasons.[2] Bauer's use of torture during interrogation
is often cited as an inspiration for CIA interrogators.[3][4]
Nasty little fucker :-)
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Beav
2009-10-28 20:50:04 UTC
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Post by Beav
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by ***@erols.com
No excuse is necessary. Anyone who thinks that you can fight
terrorists without innocents getting hurt is simply childishly naive.
Therefore, innocents will get hurt. Period. No excuse and no
apology.
I quite agree. However, to use illegal and indefensible means on
suspected terrorists is slightly different.
There may be occasions when it's justified: "The bomb goes off in five
minutes? Right, I'm holding a candle flame to the soles of your feet.
tell me where it is...."
You are Jack Bauer and I claim my 5 quid reward. :-)
Hmf? Sorry, don't get the reference.
24. Jack's a "bit of a lad".
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Twibil
2009-10-26 18:07:02 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a generalized
political education and then letting them make their own decisions is
more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling* them what to
believe and then punishing them if and when they fail to agree; as the
VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
Well, no, you're just taking your best shot at the US. (As usual.)

And also as usual, your best shot has little or nothing to do with the
subject at hand: political indoctrination and our population's freedom
to disagree with government policies.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-26 20:54:56 UTC
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Post by Twibil
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by Twibil
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a generalized
political education and then letting them make their own decisions is
more in the spirit of a free country than is *telling* them what to
believe and then punishing them if and when they fail to agree; as the
VC did with their "reeducation camps".
Guantanamo has rather spoiled this policy, though.
Well, no, you're just taking your best shot at the US. (As usual.)
Wrong again. My best shots are far better. Contrary to what you seem to
think, I believe the US and (most of) its values represent the best hope
forhis planet.

But I don't have to like everything the US does.
Post by Twibil
And also as usual, your best shot has little or nothing to do with the
subject at hand: political indoctrination and our population's freedom
to disagree with government policies.
Did you read my posts? No, I suppose not. I've already acknowledged the
'indoctrination' aspect.
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turby
2009-10-28 19:24:45 UTC
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Post by Sean_Q_
Whatever else they studied, the VC would have received
a political education.
The appropriate word there is "indoctrination", not "education".
The US, OTOH, has always felt that supplying people with a generalized
political education and then letting them make their own decisions is...
Sure, a real education has usually been more accessible in the US - it
just hasn't always been part of the curriculum. I was educated in one
of the best public schools in the nation in the 60's, yet in
retrospect I know they left out a hell of a lot of the less benevolent
aspects of American culture & history. There was an unspoken attitude
of "all good, all the time" regarding American foreign policy. I think
the "America - love it or leave it" attitude stemmed from that
"education." One might argue that indoctrination wasn't too much of an
exaggeration then.

Goebbels was spot on when he said "He who controls the press controls
the people." I've been in places where the national newspaper was 4
pages, owned and operated by the government. And I was in West Berlin
in 1969 when there was a leftist anti-war demonstration with more than
100,000 marchers. Axel Springer owned the presses and the report was
buried deep in the paper. The right-wing pro-war demonstration
attracted less than 2,000 marchers, but it was on the front page. Of
course, Springer was just following the lead of Hearst's "You supply
the pictures, I'll supply the war."
little man upon the stair
2009-10-25 15:50:38 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Leaving aside all criticism of Krusty, Lawrence admitted to Colonel
Meinertzagen that he was disturbed by being raped by the Turk--the
disturbing thing was that, as he put it, "I rather enjoyed it".  I don't
recall now whether that was in "Army Diary" or "Middle East Diary".
"Seven Pillars of Wisdom" is available as an e-text on Gutenberg.

Somebody once told me that "homosexuals crave recognition", which I
take to mean that they want to come out of their closet and be
accepted for what they are
in their private life.

T.E.L wrote: "By the bruises perhaps they beat me further: but I next
knew that I was being dragged about by two men, each disputing over a
leg as though to split me apart: while a third man rode me astride. It
was momently
better than more flogging. Then Nahi called. They splashed water in
my
face, wiped off some of the filth, and lifted me between them,
retching and sobbing for mercy, to where he lay: but he now rejected
me in haste, as a thing too torn and bloody for his bed, blaming their
excess of zeal which had spoilt me: whereas no doubt they had laid
into me much as usual, and the fault rested mainly upon my indoor
skin, which gave way more than an Arab's." -- Seven Pillars of Wisdom
Post by J. Clarke
Anybody who hasn't read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" really should--it's a
Hell of a story and after reading it the Middle East will be much more
comprehensible.
Yes. The key word in that book is "irredentism", which is the belief
that if your ancestors ever lived in an area, you have the right and
duty to reclaim it for
your present associates.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-25 15:57:47 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
Somebody once told me that "homosexuals crave recognition", which I
take to mean that they want to come out of their closet and be
accepted for what they are
in their private life.
And you believed him/her/it?
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tomorrow@erols.com
2009-10-25 18:54:40 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by little man upon the stair
Somebody once told me that "homosexuals crave recognition", which I
take to mean that they want to come out of their closet and be
accepted for what they are
in their private life.
And you believed him/her/it?
It rang a bell deep within his twisted, warped, psyche.
Road Glidin' Don
2009-10-25 19:35:22 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
Somebody once told me that "homosexuals crave recognition", which I
take to mean that they want to come out of their closet and be
accepted for what they are in their private life.
Sounds much like you - after taking so long before coming out of the
closet with your racism.
little man upon the stair
2009-10-25 15:32:58 UTC
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On Oct 24, 8:09 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Post by little man upon the stair
If that isn't gay, what is?
He was your relative, right?
So. You played "monster rain" under the steps when you were a kid,
didn't you?
Twibil
2009-10-25 05:52:48 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
And he had a young Arab boyfriend and they used to wear each others
clothes.
If that isn't gay, what is?
I really sort of hate to break this to you at your advanced age, but
I'm told that being Gay involves quite a bit more than simply
borrowing articles of clothing. (However, this does sort of explain
why you think nearly everyone is gay: pretty much everybody *has*
borrowed a coat or a hat or something at one point or another.)

Fact: Had I known I was declaring my undying sexual love for him, I'd
have been more careful back in high school when I grabbed our star
linebacker's varsity letterman's jacket out of a pile of 'em, having
mistaken it for mine. Fortunately, *he'd* never heard that trading
clothing was a sign of homosexuality either, and we traded the jackets
back to their proper owners a few minutes later with hardly even a
kiss.

Loading Image...
Beav
2009-10-27 16:15:06 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident. Anyone know
the bike's make.
It was a Brough Superior. The only one of those I've ever seen belongs
to Jay Leno.
T. E. Lawrence owned two of them, as I recall and wrote two articles
about how he used to go for rides in the English countryside. He
called them "the Thunderers" or something similar.
I think you'll find he owned 7.
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little man upon the stair
2009-10-27 17:27:13 UTC
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Post by Beav
I think you'll find he owned 7.
So. You're the expert.

Tell us, who keeps sending a single white rose to Lawrence's cottage
in Dorset every year with the message saying, "The secret is safe?"

It couldn't be "Patroclus", he's dead.

And a white rose symbolizes pure, platonic love, so it's probably not
a former gay lover.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-27 17:31:52 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
And a white rose symbolizes pure, platonic love, so it's probably not
a former gay lover.
As he's been dead for over seventy years, I should think not. idiot.
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little man upon the stair
2009-10-27 19:50:35 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
And a white rose symbolizes pure, platonic love, so it's probably not
a former gay lover.
As he's been dead for over seventy years, I should think not. idiot.
What's the matter, you don't like a good mystery story?

Patroclus died around 1989, but the white roses were still being
delivered around 2001.

Maybe it was Prince Faisal sending them?
Beav
2009-10-28 20:58:20 UTC
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Post by Beav
I think you'll find he owned 7.
So. You're the expert.
Stop projecting, it does you no favours.
Post by Beav
Tell us, who keeps sending a single white rose to Lawrence's cottage
in Dorset every year with the message saying, "The secret is safe?"
I'd hazard it's someone who thinks he's keeping a secret safe, but I could
be wrong, of course.
Post by Beav
It couldn't be "Patroclus", he's dead.
For quite some time too.
Post by Beav
And a white rose symbolizes pure, platonic love, so it's probably not
a former gay lover.
Well it looks like you'll have to provide the answer then.
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Sean_Q_
2009-10-25 02:13:56 UTC
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The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident...
Yer butt might have been in a sling if all those "limey faggots"
hadn't stood up to Hitler for 2 years while the German-American Bund
was free to parade up and down your streets holding Nazi rallies.

SQ
S'mee
2009-10-25 05:17:40 UTC
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Post by Sean_Q_
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident...
Yer butt might have been in a sling if all those "limey faggots"
hadn't stood up to Hitler for 2 years while the German-American Bund
was free to parade up and down your streets holding Nazi rallies
<golf clap>

It's wonder the Foriegn Legion didn't kill them...then again they were
closet facists back then.
Sean_Q_
2009-10-25 11:06:50 UTC
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Oops -- I forgot the Neo-Nazi Stormfront URL in your sig*.

Well, I found the perfect girl for you:
Loading Image...

SQ

* in article "Re: Female Student Stabbed at UCLA: Damon Thompson
arrested", Fri, 09 Oct 2009. See:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles/browse_frm/thread/630991fd339325d9/54c3cd6b25aa45b9?tvc=1#54c3cd6b25aa45b9

The curious thing is that when I clicked on "View Profile" for
***@yahoo.com I got the following message:

Profile
This account has been banned because it violated
the Google Groups Terms Of Use.
martin
2009-10-25 13:02:58 UTC
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Post by Sean_Q_
The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident...
Yer butt might have been in a sling if all those "limey faggots"
hadn't stood up to Hitler for 2 years while the German-American Bund
was free to parade up and down your streets holding Nazi rallies.
SQ
Twice those punks managed to get into war with their German cousins
and
drag us into the conflict. Hilter had little interest in invading
England knowing
the battle was with the Soviet Union. So Uncle Sap got involved and
ending
up with half of Europe under Soviet domination.

tt
Sean_Q_
2009-10-25 14:23:22 UTC
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Post by martin
Twice those punks managed to get into war with their German cousins
and drag us into the conflict.
...The majority of whom were also Germanic (direct German descent
or Anglo-Saxon and other "cousins").

Some prominent German-Americans:

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Albert Einstein
John J. Pershing
Chester W. Nimitz
Eddie Rickenbacker
The Amish

Btw aren't you forgetting that it was Hitler who declared war
on the USA (Dec 11, 1941) -- I dunno how you can blame that
on the Brits.
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved and ending
up with half of Europe under Soviet domination.
Which fell apart after 50 years, a lot sooner than
a Thousand Year Reich.

SQ
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-25 15:27:13 UTC
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Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
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w***@yahoo.com
2009-10-27 00:22:55 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.

ted
S'mee
2009-10-27 01:33:58 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
ted
ROTFLMAO you fuckers invent shit more fucked in the head than the
National Enquirer. I'd suggest you get a BRAIN but that head of yours
is solid lead. lol, you pathetic fucks need killing more than the
taliban.
martin
2009-10-27 13:10:49 UTC
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Post by S'mee
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
ted
ROTFLMAO you fuckers invent shit more fucked in the head than the
National Enquirer. I'd suggest you get a BRAIN but that head of yours
is solid lead. lol, you pathetic fucks need killing more than the
taliban.- Hide quoted text -
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Hi Keith, Don't be such an ignorant peasant. Do the research re:
Balfour Declaration,

tt

.
little man upon the stair
2009-10-27 14:03:57 UTC
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Post by martin
Balfour Declaration,
Unfortunately, Americans have been propagandized into believing that
opposition to irredentist Zionism equates to religious anti-semitism.

The majority of Americans don't know the difference between political
anti-semitism and religious anti-semitism either.

But they just may figure out what's going on when Rahm Emanuel becomes
speaker of the house of representatives...
S'mee
2009-10-27 14:53:26 UTC
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Post by little man upon the stair
Post by martin
Balfour Declaration,
Unfortunately, Americans have been propagandized into believing that
opposition to irredentist Zionism equates to religious anti-semitism.
The majority of Americans don't know the difference between political
anti-semitism and religious anti-semitism either.
But they just may figure out what's going on when Rahm Emanuel becomes
speaker of the house of representatives...
ROTFLMAO...you are ignorant and are speaking of things you have NO
knowledge. 8^)
S'mee
2009-10-27 14:52:32 UTC
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Post by martin
Post by S'mee
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
ted
ROTFLMAO you fuckers invent shit more fucked in the head than the
National Enquirer. I'd suggest you get a BRAIN but that head of yours
is solid lead. lol, you pathetic fucks need killing more than the
taliban.- Hide quoted text -
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Balfour Declaration,
LIke I said you ignorat bastard daughter of a southern sharecropper.
You ain't gots no brain and you couldn't read if you had to.
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-27 08:09:55 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
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S'mee
2009-10-27 14:56:07 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Idiot.
Dude...you are insulting many a honest, good and non-hating idiot by
caling that waste of carbon an "idiot". On behalf of all the other
idiots I request you cease and decist post haste lest action will be
taken i.e. no more pub prvilages...you savvy? ;^)
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-27 15:20:43 UTC
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Post by S'mee
no more pub prvilages...you savvy? ;^)
<Trembles in fear>
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S'mee
2009-10-28 00:36:02 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by S'mee
no more pub prvilages...you savvy? ;^)
<Trembles in fear>
Didn't say we wouldn't smuggle a rack or 12 of beer round back did I?
And Oh dear me...who left that barrel of sherry sitting there??? Wait
that's not sherry that smells like good single malt. ;^) I may be a
mean SOSW but I an't no cruel guv't man.

TTFN have to go tend my white roses...they are for a friend <touches
side of nose>
w***@yahoo.com
2009-10-28 13:28:58 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
A typical green-toothed limey and an "Older Gentlemen", lacks any
knowledge of history.

ted
S'mee
2009-10-28 14:04:27 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
A typical green-toothed limey and an "Older Gentlemen", lacks any
knowledge of history.
<sits back with a BIG bag of pop corn and a case of cane sugar Mt.Dew>

Oh thisl'll be good, the kindegarten drop out lecturing TOG...
w***@yahoo.com
2009-10-28 13:36:08 UTC
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Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by The Older Gentleman
Post by martin
So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
Reply was expected from green-toothed limey maggot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

If said sunken chested "Older Gentelman" can take a brief
look may gain some understanding of the developments
that fostered continuing WW1.

ted
The Older Gentleman
2009-10-28 13:38:56 UTC
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So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
Reply was expected from green-toothed limey maggot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
If said sunken chested "Older Gentelman" can take a brief
look may gain some understanding of the developments
that fostered continuing WW1.
I know about the BD. I'd love to know how you think that Hitler's
invasion of Poland, to which country Britain had given guarantees, and
which precipitated WW2, has anything to do with it.

Actually, no, I don't want to know., You're just another kook, and there
are plenty here as it is.
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S'mee
2009-10-28 14:13:47 UTC
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So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
Reply was expected from green-toothed limey maggot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
If said sunken chested "Older Gentelman" can take a brief
look may gain some understanding of the developments
that fostered continuing WW1.
I know about the BD. I'd love to know how you think that Hitler's
invasion of Poland, to which country Britain had given guarantees, and
which precipitated WW2, has anything to do with it.
Actually, no, I don't want to know., You're just another kook, and there
are plenty here as it is.
I wonder if he realizes that WWII was just a contiuation of WWI? 8^)
S'mee
2009-10-28 14:12:43 UTC
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So Uncle Sap got involved
Define "got involved"
I wish you would study the Balfour Declaration. In 1916 the
war was a stalemate in europe. Brits worked with UK and
others Jews promising them a State if they worked on
American Jews to goad America into the war. They operated
out of the Lord Balitmore Hotel. Much data on this episode
which extened a war with a cost of several millions lives.
Interesting, the "offical" encyp. version became very muted
in the 1`970's. So Germany was crushed and stripped.
Then cometh Hitler.
Idiot.
Reply was expected from green-toothed limey maggot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
Poor teddy boy...can't even comprehend what he reads much less
understand a damned thing about the real world. ROTFLMAO...oh my I
didn't realize how fucking STUPID and UNINTELLIGENT you really are.

Damn you wannbe homies are pathetic
little man upon the stair
2009-10-28 14:22:47 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
If said sunken chested "Older Gentelman" can take a brief
look may gain some understanding of the developments
that fostered continuing WW1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Frankfurter

Frankfurter was encouraged by Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis to
become more involved in Zionism.[2] With Brandeis he lobbied President
Wilson to support the Balfour Declaration, a British government
statement supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland in
Palestine.[2] In 1918, he participated in the founding conference of
the American Jewish Congress in Philadelphia creating a national
democratic organization of Jewish leaders from all over the US.[19] In
1919, Frankfurter served as a Zionist delegate to the Paris Peace
Conference.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_Zionists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis#Zionist_leader

With the outbreak of World War I, the Zionist movement's headquarters
in Berlin became ineffectual, and American Jewry had to assume larger
responsibility for the Zionist movement. When the Provisional
Executive Committee for Zionist Affairs was established in New York,
Brandeis accepted unanimous election to be its head. In this position
from 1914 to 1918, Brandeis was the leader of American Zionism.
Brandeis embarked on a speaking tour in the fall and winter of
1914-1915 to support the Zionist cause, emphasizing the goal of self-
determination and freedom for Jews through the development of a Jewish
homeland. [37]

Brandeis brought his influence in the Woodrow Wilson administration to
bear in the negotiations leading up to the Balfour Declaration.
Brandeis split with the European branch of Zionism, led by Chaim
Weizmann, and resigned his leadership role in 1921. He retained
membership, however, and remained active in Zionism until the end of
his life.[38]
little man upon the stair
2009-10-25 15:30:51 UTC
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The limey faggot was killed in a motorcycle accident...
Yer butt might have been in a sling if all those "limey faggots"
hadn't stood up to Hitler for 2 years while the German-American Bund
was free to parade up and down your streets holding Nazi rallies.
That's a non sequitur. He didn't say that *all* limeys were faggots,
did he?

The US government knew that we would eventually have to fight Japan,
they
began training US soldiers for amphibious invasions as early as 1922.

It took the US government about ten years to propagandize the American
public into accepting the inevitability of war with Japan.

In the meantime, the international bankers in Europe were trying to
figure out how to get their war reparations money back from Germany,
after Hitler repudiated the Versaille Treaty and the repayment plans,
vociferously telling the Reichstag, "If the Jews want a war, they will
GET a war!"

And, so far as the German-American Bund was concerned, their free
speech was
guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to the US constitution. Most German-
Americans weren't buying what they were selling, though.

The GAB marched and demonstrated and tried to convince the descendants
of German immigrants who'd left the Fatherland after the failed German
Revolution of 1840 that, no matter where they lived in the world they
were still Germans.

This was Bismarck's Pan-Germanism at work, but it failed to convince
most Germans, who, if anything, were dedicated Yankee Doodlers by the
late 1930's.

And, the Germans who left Germany in the 1840's may have loved Germany
and felt loyal to their local baron who almost guaranteed them a
lifetime job in return for said loyal, but German men of age to be
drafted into the army didn't want to
die in the various wars that the emperors were fighting.

Being drafted into the military in the Europe of the 19th century sent
a message to the draftee saying, "Kiss your Mama and Papa goodbye,
you're not coming home!"

Americans soldiers didn't spend four years in the trenches in France,
and Americans didn't develop the hatred for "the Hun" that the British
and Canadians feel until WW2, when they were assaulted with a barrage
of propaganda.
dizzy
2009-10-27 03:10:50 UTC
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The
Plonk!
S'mee
2009-10-27 04:01:36 UTC
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The
Plonk!
That's the first intelligent thing you've done all month.
S'mee
2009-10-27 04:08:33 UTC
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The
Plonk!
That's the first intelligent thing you've done all month.
Correction, it's the ONLY intelligent thing you've done this
year...punk.
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