Ouch! $1,680 for a 24V 122AH (at the 100hr discharge rate!) battery.
And look at the one hour discharge curve. Something seems a bit wrong
with it because the curve bends around and starts going negative in time,
but...
Assuming it's more or less accurate a 120V pack of these discharged at the
one hour rate would start at around 100V and drop like a stone to 50 or 60
volts. That is some serious voltage sag.
Doesn't sound like something I'd like to drive.
A pack of these that is comparable in weight to a 120V pack of T-105s will
only provide approx 8kwh(1 hr rate) vs 11.5kwh from the PbA, and they'd
cost almost $10,000, probably over that once you add shipping.
If you tried to get these up to highway speed, you'd only get maybe 30
miles range. With the voltage sagging down to ~70V, it's be kinda tough
on the motor and controller (over 200 amps battery side to maintain
highway speed)
LiPol looks pretty good (price and performance) compared to these
Apparently the Eagle Picher batteries are significantly different to
these. These don't look like viable EV candidates even if they do last 40
years.
> Utility Free doesn't actually produce them, but imports them (from either
> china, or eastern europe, it says on their website, but I can't remember
> right now). They also have a price sheet on the website, for 12 and 24
> volt
> systems. For EV voltage systems, I think you just add them together, but
> not sure if the price will come down any for 100 cells, vs 10 or 20 cells.
>
> Z
>
> On 7/18/08, Werner Peters <werner1950-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, it's been mentioned on this list before.. there is a company
>> still
>> producing NiFe..
>>
>>
>> http://www.beutilityfree.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=129&2d2032cd2ecb66e70133da726df4f0c0=9563376df794b959ab130d13799a5793
>> Apparently the only place you can get 'em in the USA.
>>
>> I don't know how expensive they are.
>>
>>
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:24 AM, AMPrentice <darega-/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Lee, you just reminded me again why its a crazy and ridiculous world
>> we
>> > live
>> > in.
>> > Now I hope that there is another Nickel battery possible from another
>> > company
>> > that doesnt sell out or is bought by another Oil conglomerate.
>> >
>> >
>> > Lee Hart wrote:
>> > >
>> > > AMPrentice wrote:
>> > >> Are NiFe so expensive that they can't be budget for compared to
>> Lead?
>> > >> What would say these Eagle Picher NiFe batteries cost as used in
>> the
>> > >> TEVan?
>> > >
>> > > NiFe batteries are more expensive than lead-acid batteries because
>> > > nickel is substantially more expensive than lead. However, they last
>> so
>> > > long that your ultimate cost per mile can still be good. But you
>> know
>> > > how human nature is -- people would rather pay $100 for a battery
>> that
>> > > lasts 10,000 miles ($0.01/mile) than $500 for one that lasts 100,000
>> > > miles ($0.005/mile).
>> > >
>> > > So, few people bought NiFe batteries. The low demand meant they got
>> > > manufactured in lower volumes, which drove their price up even more.
>> > > Cheap lead-acids basically ran the NiFe battery off the market.
>> > >
>> > >> Also what stops the Fe from corroding?
>> > >
>> > > It does "corrode" (i.e. is oxidized). In every battery, one plate is
>> > > oxidized, and the other is reduced during discharge. The charging
>> > > process reverses this, restoring the two plates to the same
>> condition
>> > > they were in when you stated. Well, *almost* the same -- the battery
>> > > usually accumulates slight differences on each charge/discharge
>> cycle
>> > > until the plates have changed so much that they no longer work well
>> > > enough to continue.
>> > >
>> > > > Has any other company tried to use an alternative to Fe for
>> better
>> > >> gains?
>> > >
>> > > Sure! Tom Edison came up with nickel-iron 100 years ago. About 50
>> years
>> > > later, it was improved by using nickel-cadmium. About 20 years ago,
>> it
>> > > was further improved by switching to a complex iron alloy; nimh or
>> > > nickel metal hydride, where the "metal" is really an iron alloy.
>> > >
>> > >> The population that travel no more than 40-50mph per day could use
>> these
>> > >> things without ever having to buy batteries again.
>> > >
>> > > Exactly. But, the population isn't willing to *pay* for a 100,000
>> mile
>> > > battery!
>> > >
>> > > Consider... we could be using NiFe or NiCad or Nimh for our car
>> starting
>> > > batteries. The battery would last the life of the car -- no more
>> having
>> > > to replace the lead-acid battery every few years. But *nobody* does
>> it!
>> > > --
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>> > > There is a crack in everything
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>> > >
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