Post by Losers, Inc.Post by MatuBecause of poverty a lot of drug sales and use take place on the streets of
black communities while in white communities it takes place
indoors. Police
Post by Losers, Inc.Post by Matuare lazy, they take who ever they see first.
OK, so what's your solution -- repeal the fourth amendment or have the
cops ignore a certain percentage of drug use they spot out in the open?
It's like a Chris Rock routine. Don't want to get busted for drugs?
Step
Post by Losers, Inc.one: don't smoke crack in public.
Yes, most people who get arrested for drug crimes are arrested because
they are stupid.
I guess our polititians think it's easier to just imprison people than
it is to run a functional education system.
Post by Losers, Inc.My guess is that it was just a culture which did not accept crime.
There's a lot of crime research about how asian societies address
crime. The primary cultural difference is that they do accept crime
-- in particular they punish crime socially with a process of shame
followed by a sociatal process of reintegration into society of the
former criminal.
An Aussie named Braithwaite is credited with the start of that crim
theory,
Strong
Post by Losers, Inc.family units that knew what their kids were doing, and kept them out of
trouble.
Yes, strong faimily units that are part of a strong society that
allows reintegration of offenders is crucial. Strong family units by
themselves dont' do it. You don't think that Irish, Italian, etc,
immigrants didn't have strong family units? Well, they did but also
had crime ridden neighborhoods.
More recently some cities have had large influxes of Polish
immigrants. Chicago in the 60's and 70's is one such city. It was
almost all illegal immigrants, single people, who worled 2-3 jobs for
a few years, and returned to Poland with some money. They didn't have
families here. They had families in Poland and sent money back to
Poland. They had a polish society within Chicago that accepted them,
supported them, and protected them. They didn't have much crime among
those immigrants without family.
Houston has a large population of illegal Mexican immigrants (not 'of
Mexican ancestry", but Mexican). Hispanic neighborhoods in general in
Mexico are high crime. That subset of illegal immigrants from Mexicao
don't have high crime rates.
btw, until 1965 it was difficult for chinise immigrants to come to the
US with family. The recent immigrants in that old SF chinatiown you
mentioned didn't tend to live in family units.
Post by Losers, Inc.If you, Gary and Hillary want to call me a right wing nut case
because I think that, go ahead.
Hillary doesn't know you, I didn't call you a right wing nut case.
You might be, I don't know. Your use of a isolated quote that's often
used in right-wing-nutcase websites does suggest that you like to
quote research of others that's been cited by others rather than
figure things out for yourself though.
Hillary's comment about it taking a village to raise a child is
correct. Crim research (by both right wingers and left wingers)
supports that. But, the right wing nutcases who want to attack that
idea don't seem to understand the context in which the village has to
act. A strong family unit is needed to support the offender. But,
that doesn't work unless we have a strong society (a villlage) to
support the family.
It does take a village. The village has to support the family, not
attack and destroy the family of offenders.
Don't arrest one family member for the crimes of another (example
would be the woman in San Marcos). Don't encourage family members to
betray other family members and inform on them for public order type
crimes (part of our war on drugs).
The village has to support the family for the family to work. We have
a criminal justice system that does not support the family.
Post by Losers, Inc.Overall, I think poverty is a factor in crime from a simple
risk/reward
Post by Losers, Inc.perspective (the poor have less to lose), but it does not in and of itself
cause crime. Like Gary said, it is complex. Poverty is a factor.
Family
Post by Losers, Inc.values (gasp) are another factor. And there are many more.
The criminal justice system is itself a factor. Our criminal justice
system in the US is simply broken. Our imprisonment rates are a clear
demonstration of that.
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