Discussion:
Regulating the Internet to get rid of spam in sci.physics newsgroups
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Y.Porat
2009-07-19 14:35:07 UTC
Permalink
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
   Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
   used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
   report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator

Y.P
--------------------------
Pmb
2009-07-19 16:22:32 UTC
Permalink
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator

Y.P
--------------------------

As a general rule I have a poor memory. But unless I'm confusing him with
someone else Sam is a great guy
Y.Porat
2009-07-20 05:16:54 UTC
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Post by Y.Porat
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
 i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator
Y.P
--------------------------
As a general rule I have a poor memory. But unless I'm confusing him with
someone else Sam is a great guy
----------------
he is a good orchestra conductor as well ....

and how about being a great physicist ???
(and not just a pompous parrot ???)

Y.Porat
---------------------------
Pmb
2009-07-20 03:14:55 UTC
Permalink
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator

Y.P
--------------------------

It's quite interesting that people so love to flame me for this idea yet
refuse to post whether they objected to the FTC's Do Not Call Register

Unless on;ly the superflamers that I kill filed responded.
Wassa matter flamers? No comment on the FTC rules on that?
Tom Potter
2009-07-20 13:11:50 UTC
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Post by Y.Porat
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator
Y.P
--------------------------
It's quite interesting that people so love to flame me for this idea yet
refuse to post whether they objected to the FTC's Do Not Call Register
Unless on;ly the superflamers that I kill filed responded.
Wassa matter flamers? No comment on the FTC rules on that?
The way I, my wife, and kids
handled unwanted phone calls,
was to just leave the phone off hook

and go about our business,
let the caller get nervous,

and when we heard the off hook sound,
we put the phone back on hook.
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001/
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Jim Black
2009-07-21 01:45:25 UTC
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Post by Pmb
It's quite interesting that people so love to flame me for this idea yet
refuse to post whether they objected to the FTC's Do Not Call Register
Unless on;ly the superflamers that I kill filed responded.
Wassa matter flamers? No comment on the FTC rules on that?
There's an important distinction between what you were proposing and the Do
Not Call list: The Do Not Call list only stops you, the person requesting
to be on the list, from receiving advertisements, whereas the government
regulation you were suggesting would affect all news readers. In this
sense, the filtering approach is more analogous to the Do Not Call list.

Furthermore, government regulation would not work. All of the people
spamming are already violating their news server's terms of service, and a
lot of them are advertising illegal things. It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law. Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account. It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.

You might think you could force Google to improve their vetting of new
accounts. You would be wrong. Remember the recent drama when NY state
attorney general Andrew Cuomo tried to get several big ISP's to stop
offering a few newsgroups with child pornography on them? The ISP's just
used it as an excuse to dump all of Usenet, including the text groups, and
Cuomo was satisfied with their response. This is what happens when
government gets involved in Usenet. Put legal pressure on Google to
improve their anti-spam policies, and Google Groups goes bye-bye.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
pmb
2009-07-21 22:21:06 UTC
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Post by Jim Black
There's an important distinction between what you were proposing and the Do
Not Call list: ..
I was using the situation with the telemarketers as an analogy to the
commercial spamming of newsgroups. Recall that an analogy is defined
as resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike.

Basically I am inquiring into whether these same flamers oppose FTC
regulation of the commercial enterprise of telemarketers calling you
at home as they do with, say, FTC regulation of the commercial
enterprise of newsgroup spamming. If they don't then I'd love to hear
their rationalization for one and not the other.
Post by Jim Black
The Do Not Call list only stops you, the person requesting
to be on the list, from receiving advertisements, whereas the government
regulation you were suggesting would affect all news readers. In this
sense, the filtering approach is more analogous to the Do Not Call list.
Not necessarily. In my original post I was intentionally vague
regarding the implementation of such regulation. For example; one way
that it could be implemented regarding sending commercial spam to
everyone’s E-mail could very well be to create Do Not E-mail register.
One way to implement this with newsgroups is to require all spam to
newsgroups would be to require all spam to be labeled as such in the
header of their posts, i.e. the first word must be “spam“. This also
includes those posts which are repeated without change by crackpots so
they can be filterer. That would allow people to filter crackpot spam
by nutcases like Rhetic.
Post by Jim Black
Furthermore, government regulation would not work. All of the people
spamming are already violating their news server's terms of service, and a
lot of them are advertising illegal things
Newsgroups are paper tigers. There is no way for a news server to take
action against spammers. When you make violate a law then they can
easily be tracked down and brought to justice.
Post by Jim Black
It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law. Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account. It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.
Do you know as fact that it is literally impossible for them to be
tracked?

In any case it would serve as a deterrent since its difficult to get a
commercial enterprise to advertise through illegal means. It’s not
good PR.
Post by Jim Black
You might think you could force Google to improve their vetting of new
accounts.
That’s not what I had in mind.
Post by Jim Black
Put legal pressure on Google to
improve their anti-spam policies, and Google Groups goes bye-bye.
If that were to happen then there’d be a market pressure for other
companies to jump in and fill the hole. When Comcast dumped newsgroups
we were forced to use other servers. Thus Comcast’s actions of dumping
their newsgroup servers only created a market.

Just because it’s not an easy thing to do today with current
technology and methodology it doesn’t mean that some smart
entrepreneur couldn’t figure it out. I know that I’d choose any other
group over google if they offered better service by enforcing their
anti-spam policy. A suppose telemarketers could get around the No Call
Register too. It’s always a bad idea to not make a law because you
might not be able to get everyone to obey it. In this case it just
might cut back in the amount of spam. If someone suggested not to make
a new recreational drug illegal because we wouldn’t be able to prevent
everyone from using it then that’d be a poor argument against such a
law.

Regarding spam policies – How does that work exactly. E.g. let’s use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed. How is someone supposed to report him for violations
and to whom should such complaints be sent?
Androcles
2009-07-21 22:28:53 UTC
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"pmb" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1fad1d3f-54c3-4e85-80fb-***@c2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

Regarding spam policies – How does that work exactly. E.g. let’s use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed.
===============================================

Bullshit, I kill-filed him. You only have to study his habits to know how.
Let's use pmb as an example. Everything he writes is whining spam.
Jim Black
2009-07-22 08:41:27 UTC
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Post by pmb
Post by Jim Black
It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law. Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account. It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.
Do you know as fact that it is literally impossible for them to be
tracked?
Impossible? No. But it can be made very difficult.
Post by pmb
Regarding spam policies – How does that work exactly. E.g. let’s use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed. How is someone supposed to report him for violations
and to whom should such complaints be sent?
If you read the headers of his messages, there's an email for sending
reports of abuse to. They may respond if they get enough complaints, but
then again, they may not.

And it is possible to killfile him. You just have to look through all the
headers you can filter on, and figure out a combination of filters that
only selects his posts.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
Androcles
2009-07-22 08:55:37 UTC
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Post by Jim Black
Post by pmb
Post by Jim Black
It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law. Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account. It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.
Do you know as fact that it is literally impossible for them to be
tracked?
Impossible? No. But it can be made very difficult.
Post by pmb
Regarding spam policies ¡V How does that work exactly. E.g. let¡Šs use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed. How is someone supposed to report him for violations
and to whom should such complaints be sent?
If you read the headers of his messages, there's an email for sending
reports of abuse to. They may respond if they get enough complaints, but
then again, they may not.
And it is possible to killfile him. You just have to look through all the
headers you can filter on, and figure out a combination of filters that
only selects his posts.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
Retic's posts are not abusive and he has the same right to free speech
as the cretin PMB. Don't give the Brown clown hints on how to filter, let
him suffer.
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
2009-07-22 09:19:34 UTC
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The point in a fact, is that you would like to be having a perfect world,
just for yourself and for you alone, all along, out of a people, then do not
ever worry, just have it, along that matter...

However, even the politics themselves along the westerners, are still hardly
trying even by killing a people, at least since the appearance of the
greeks, as it seems, that it takes them no where, a definitely a matter a
fact...
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
Post by Jim Black
Post by pmb
Post by Jim Black
It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law. Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account. It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.
Do you know as fact that it is literally impossible for them to be
tracked?
Impossible? No. But it can be made very difficult.
Post by pmb
Regarding spam policies ¡V How does that work exactly. E.g. let¡Šs use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed. How is someone supposed to report him for violations
and to whom should such complaints be sent?
If you read the headers of his messages, there's an email for sending
reports of abuse to. They may respond if they get enough complaints, but
then again, they may not.
And it is possible to killfile him. You just have to look through all the
headers you can filter on, and figure out a combination of filters that
only selects his posts.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
pmb
2009-07-22 12:39:23 UTC
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The point in a fact, is that you would like to be having a perfect world,...
What a terrible person I am. lol
just for yourself and for you alone,
Do you make this stuff up as you go along or do you take a lot of time
in the creative process?
However, even the politics themselves along the westerners, are still hardly
trying even by killing a people, at least since the appearance of the
greeks, as it seems, that it takes them no where, a definitely a matter a
fact...
That last sentance makes no sense. What does it have to do with
finding ways to block spam by those of us who don't want to be
bothered with sifting through it to find real physics?
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
2009-07-22 12:47:47 UTC
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The question is, what does makes you to think, that a people wants to listen
to your bullshit!?
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
The point in a fact, is that you would like to be having a perfect world,...
What a terrible person I am. lol
just for yourself and for you alone,
Do you make this stuff up as you go along or do you take a lot of time
in the creative process?
However, even the politics themselves along the westerners, are still hardly
trying even by killing a people, at least since the appearance of the
greeks, as it seems, that it takes them no where, a definitely a matter a
fact...
That last sentance makes no sense. What does it have to do with
finding ways to block spam by those of us who don't want to be
bothered with sifting through it to find real physics?
pmb
2009-07-22 13:45:06 UTC
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Post by Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
The question is, what does makes you to think, that a people wants to listen
to your bullshit!?
This is yet another response that has nothing to do with either the
subject matter or you're responding to. And what an odd question
coming from someone who flames so many of the people he responds to.
Especially since I can’t find any post where you wrote anything which
made much sense. Therefore I ask whatever gave *you* the impression
that anybody wants to listen to the nonsense *you* post?

As far as your question goes - I only know what I read from the people
who respond to what I've posted. Those people include those who've
errors I've corrected. Since people don’t like being corrected so I'm
sure my corrections of their mistakes irritate them. Then there are
flamers who hate everyone and yet love to post to them if for no other
reason but to flame them, e.g. Androcles. Then there are the people
who I consider friends who simply participate in conversations with me
about the relevant physics.

Anymore questions, Mr. Troublemaker/flamer?
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
2009-07-22 14:11:11 UTC
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However, does it makes you to feel better, to describe yourself perfectly...

Therefore, then, it would remains only one thing, that, you and physics does
a definitely makes a two, which each is an other and a different story, a
definitely as a matter a fact...
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
Post by Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
The question is, what does makes you to think, that a people wants to listen
to your bullshit!?
This is yet another response that has nothing to do with either the
subject matter or you're responding to. And what an odd question
coming from someone who flames so many of the people he responds to.
Especially since I can't find any post where you wrote anything which
made much sense. Therefore I ask whatever gave *you* the impression
that anybody wants to listen to the nonsense *you* post?

As far as your question goes - I only know what I read from the people
who respond to what I've posted. Those people include those who've
errors I've corrected. Since people don't like being corrected so I'm
sure my corrections of their mistakes irritate them. Then there are
flamers who hate everyone and yet love to post to them if for no other
reason but to flame them, e.g. Androcles. Then there are the people
who I consider friends who simply participate in conversations with me
about the relevant physics.

Anymore questions, Mr. Troublemaker/flamer?
pmb
2009-07-22 18:28:18 UTC
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Post by Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
However, does it makes you to feel better, to describe yourself perfectly...
You sure love to get into petty bickering, don't you? I know that
English isn't your primary language but I find it hard to believe that
you're unable to follow the conversation to the point where you can
come to such terribly bogus conclusions.

There's nothing in anything I've ever posted that would suggest that I
either think of or describe myself as being perfect. There's plenty of
subjects I'm not versed on and plenty of areas where I'm clueless.
E.g. I’m terrible combinatorics. My writing skills leave something to
be desired. I may even be a bit dyslexic, which account for my missing
many spelling errors after I review my posts and before submitting
them. I’d hardly think of someone with these kinds of deficiencies
could logically think of themselves as being perfect. I don’t know
when not to ignore flamers, such as you, which is yet another
attribute that contributes to me being much less than perfect. It’s
only people such as you that want to pass themselves off as being
perfect.

What I said in my last post has to do more with the fact that I know
when and when not to post rather than me being right all the time.
I.e. I only post when I have confidence in the subject matter at hand
and know it solid. That’s why I post on certain subjects, i.e. because
I’m well studied in those areas and know the subject matter extremely
well. That can’t be said for most people who post in these newsgroups.
I.e. many people yap about things they don’t know well. Since you
probably can’t understand what that means I’ll explain.

Most of troublemakers (defined as people who flame what they disagree
with) here don’t have a good understanding of relativity. That’s what
led to several of them not being able to understand of the 3+1
formulation of relativity. Those poor slobs never learned relativity
properly and thus never learned that both the geometric and 3+1
formulation of relativity are both equally correct. Thus when they saw
me post a derivation with the 3+1 formulation they confused it with
pre-relativistic physics and assumed it was wrong. The fact that it
gave the correct answer probably confused the hell out of them.

Then there are people here who are used to doing things only one way.
Thus when they see it done another way they either bitch at them for
“not using modern notation” or get confused with other definitions or
notation they’ve never seen before. For example; there phrase “the
vector P^u” is always used as shorthand for the more cumbersome “the
vector whose components are P^u”. But some people aren’t happy unless
they can post at least one objection somewhere. Another example is the
confusion that arises when someone who learned tensors from a
relativity course before they learn about them from a math-physics
course. This has led some people to claim that a Cartesian tensor is
not a “real” tensor. Then there is the problem that different authors
defined the prototypes for 4-vectors differently. This has led some
posters to claim that the position vector is not a “real” vector.

I could go on and on about this. My points being the following (1) I
make no claims and have no delusions that I’m perfect and (2) I do
know what I know because I know that different physicists have
different definitions and different interpretations so I’m very
careful and (3) I know how pissed off people can be when someone
corrects them. The later is what I said earlier.

That you feel the need to insult me only tells me that you’re an
asshole and that you belong in my kill file.

Plonk
pmb
2009-07-22 12:35:31 UTC
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Post by pmb
Post by Jim Black
It's not going to matter to
them if they break one more law.  Generally their mode of operation is to
find an open proxy or use an infected computer, sign up for a Google
account, make some spam messages, and then dump the account.  It can be
difficult to track down the people responsible for the spamming.
Do you know as fact that it is literally impossible for them to be
tracked?
Impossible?  No.  But it can be made very difficult.
Post by pmb
Regarding spam policies – How does that work exactly. E.g. let’s use
Rhetic as an example. He constantly changes his handle to prevent from
being kill filed. How is someone supposed to report him for violations
and to whom should such complaints be sent?
If you read the headers of his messages, there's an email for sending
reports of abuse to.  They may respond if they get enough complaints, but
then again, they may not.
And it is possible to killfile him.  You just have to look through all the
headers you can filter on, and figure out a combination of filters that
only selects his posts.
I'm having a problem using nntp.aioe.org to post so I'm using Google
groups for now. Wasn't it you who recommended nntp.aioe.org to me? Any
idea what could be causing this problem?

I tried what you recommended before but couldn't figure out how to do
it. I find the instructions by Outlook Express (OE) to do this a bit
confusing. Can you help me with this please?

Rhetic always has the following terms in each of his spam posts

reticsessays.com
http://einsteinhoax.com/postinglog.htm
***@verizon.net

Can you tell me how to create a filter in OE using those terms?
_***@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
2009-07-22 14:51:24 UTC
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www.Buy.COM/retail/product.asp?sku=205852881&print=1

If you can find a free/cheaper code editor ( it must have “macros” ),
you could try my newsReader:
“ www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP ”.
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This post is a reply to PMB's: news:6ae2c51b-345c-443f-b61c-***@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com
Jim Black
2009-07-22 20:04:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by pmb
I'm having a problem using nntp.aioe.org to post so I'm using Google
groups for now. Wasn't it you who recommended nntp.aioe.org to me? Any
idea what could be causing this problem?
I just listed it first because you could get it working right away without
signing up. I've had reliability problems with it, too. Try some of the
other free servers, and see if they're more reliable:

albasani.net
eternal-september.org
news.datemas.de
x-privat.org
news.solani.org
Post by pmb
I tried what you recommended before but couldn't figure out how to do
it. I find the instructions by Outlook Express (OE) to do this a bit
confusing. Can you help me with this please?
Rhetic always has the following terms in each of his spam posts
reticsessays.com
http://einsteinhoax.com/postinglog.htm
Can you tell me how to create a filter in OE using those terms?
You generally can't. When a newsreader gets a list of messages, it
downloads a list of at leadt the following headers and metadata for each
message:

Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
:bytes
:lines

See: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#section-8.3.2

It's also common for news servers to send the Xref: header.

Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
subset:

Subject:
From:
Date:
:lines

But this is enough to filter him out.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
Pmb
2009-07-22 20:32:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Black
Post by pmb
I'm having a problem using nntp.aioe.org to post so I'm using Google
groups for now. Wasn't it you who recommended nntp.aioe.org to me? Any
idea what could be causing this problem?
I just listed it first because you could get it working right away without
signing up. I've had reliability problems with it, too. Try some of the
albasani.net
eternal-september.org
news.datemas.de
x-privat.org
news.solani.org
Thanks - This is a test message to see it it uploads

Pete
Post by Jim Black
Post by pmb
I tried what you recommended before but couldn't figure out how to do
it. I find the instructions by Outlook Express (OE) to do this a bit
confusing. Can you help me with this please?
Rhetic always has the following terms in each of his spam posts
reticsessays.com
http://einsteinhoax.com/postinglog.htm
Can you tell me how to create a filter in OE using those terms?
You generally can't. When a newsreader gets a list of messages, it
downloads a list of at leadt the following headers and metadata for each
:bytes
:lines
See: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#section-8.3.2
It's also common for news servers to send the Xref: header.
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
Pmb
2009-07-22 20:37:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pmb
Thanks - This is a test message to see it it uploads
Yay! It worked. :)

Thanks Jim. :)
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
Jim Black
2009-07-22 22:15:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible. It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.

In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules." I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message. Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.

There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here. I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.

Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
(note: watch out for line wrap):

/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
jem
2009-07-23 10:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Black
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible. It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.
In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules." I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message. Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.
There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here. I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.
Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information. That wasn't obvious?
pmb
2009-07-23 13:26:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by jem
Post by Jim Black
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message.  Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones.  I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible.  It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.
In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules."  I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message.  Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.
There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here.  I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.
Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information.  That wasn't obvious?
How do you claim that trolls like Rhetic are being helped by Jim
telling helping be filter his spam out?
jem
2009-07-24 12:49:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by pmb
Post by jem
Post by Jim Black
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible. It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.
In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules." I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message. Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.
There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here. I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.
Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information. That wasn't obvious?
How do you claim that trolls like Rhetic are being helped by Jim
telling helping be filter his spam out?
I see my question's been answered.

Re. your question: if you tell those who aim to defeat filters,
exactly how you're filtering them, how long do you suppose your
filters will be effective?
Pmb
2009-07-24 17:54:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by jem
Post by pmb
Post by jem
Post by Jim Black
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible. It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.
In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules." I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message. Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.
There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here. I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.
Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information. That wasn't obvious?
How do you claim that trolls like Rhetic are being helped by Jim
telling helping be filter his spam out?
I see my question's been answered.
Re. your question: if you tell those who aim to defeat filters, exactly
how you're filtering them, how long do you suppose your filters will be
effective?
It doesn't really matter since (1) rhetic changes his posts for nobody and
(2) if he did modify them to avoid filters then I'd have learned from
implementing Jim's examples how to modify my filter accordingly.
jem
2009-07-25 12:46:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pmb
Post by jem
Post by pmb
Post by jem
Post by Jim Black
Post by Pmb
Post by Jim Black
Generally, the actual message body and full list of headers aren't
downloaded until you decide to read the message. Some newsreaders can be
set up to request headers beyond the default ones. I played around with
Outlook Express a bit, and it appears to be able to filter on the following
:lines
But this is enough to filter him out.
I don't see how. The content of each of those lines is always different.
Unless you mean to list each subject that he spams? If so then how is that
done?
You can do it that way, and in fact, that's how I currently do it
(actually, I filter on subject and one other header), since I like to avoid
false positives if possible. It's a bit easier if your newsreader's
killfile has a decent interface which allows you to paste in a bunch of
commands at once, since you can find a list of his subjects at his website.
Alternatively, you can add them one at a time as you come across them.
In Outlook Express, you need to go into the Tools menu and find "Message
Rules." I don't see any way for it to automatically make a rule from the
subject line of a message. Some other newsreaders, including 40tude
Dialog, the one I'm using, can do this.
There is currently a way to filter out all Retic posts with one message
rule, but since it will cease working the moment he finds out what it is,
I'm not going to post it here. I've sent an email to pmb61 at hotmail.
Here's a (possibly partial) list of his subjects in regular expression form
/Overview of the Einsteinhoax Website/
/The Error in Relativistic Physics/
/Is There a Force of Gravity\??/
/The Einstein Hoax/
/General Relativity Examined/
/The Limitations of Mathematics in Physics/
/Communicating at Translight Velocities/
/^['"]?Gravity['"]?$/
/Measuring Our Absolute Velocity/
/The Flaw in High Energy Physics/
/Relativistic Physics[ -]*Science or Religion\??/
/Corrections to Errors in Special Relativity/
/Corrections to Special Relativity/
/Evidence of the Existence of the Aether/
/Do Virtual Photons Exist\??/
/The Nature of Mass/
/The Scarcity of Life Bearing Planets/
/Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Be Circumvented\??/
/The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems/
/Will the LIGO Experiment Work\??/
/The Observational Collapse of Einsteinian Physics/
/The Source of Gravitational Energy/
/A Snapshot of a Photon/
/Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored\??/
/Retic Postings and SPAM/
/The Creation of a Universe and the Gravity Transformations/
/A Look at Quantum ['"]?Spookiness['"]?/
/The Paradox of Zeno/
/How Does Light ['"]?Know['"]? How Fast to Travel\??/
/The Right Angle Lever Paradox/
/The Brilliance of Our Teachers/
/The Impossibility of Measuring the Velocity of Light/
/Examining Mathematical Approaches/
/Relativity and Reasonableness Tests/
/The Matter of ['"]?Dark Matter['"]?/
/Are Unified Field Theories Justified\??/
/Is General Relativity Compatible With Special Relativity\??/
/Defining Inertial and Gravitational Accelerations/
/The Conflict Between Quantum Theory and General Relativity/
/The Lorentz Transformation for Velocity/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?1/
/Einstein's Unfortunate Legacy[ -]*#?2/
/Another Rebuff to General Relativity By Cosmological Observations/
/The Aether and Charges of Charlatanism/
/The Arrow of Time/
/Dimensional Analysis and Relativity/
/The Properties of the Aether/
/Is More Than One Quark Needed\??/
/What Special and General Relativity Tell Us About the Nature of Our
Universe/
/Is String Theory Justified/
/A Basic Look At the Aether/
/How the Aether Leads to Our Reality/
/^['"]?Causality['"]?$/
/Is Global Warming Caused By Man\??/
/Space, Vacuum, and the Aether/
/What Relativity Theories Tell Us About the Universe/
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information. That wasn't obvious?
How do you claim that trolls like Rhetic are being helped by Jim
telling helping be filter his spam out?
I see my question's been answered.
Re. your question: if you tell those who aim to defeat filters, exactly
how you're filtering them, how long do you suppose your filters will be
effective?
It doesn't really matter since (1) rhetic changes his posts for nobody and
(2) if he did modify them to avoid filters then I'd have learned from
implementing Jim's examples how to modify my filter accordingly.
(1) Retic has shown that he's perfectly willing to customize his posts
to ensure an audience. As are all spammers.

(2) Don't kid yourself.
Pmb
2009-07-25 13:10:28 UTC
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(1) Retic has shown that he's perfectly willing to customize his posts to
ensure an audience. As are all spammers.
(2) Don't kid yourself.`
We'll see.

eric gisse
2009-07-23 20:54:56 UTC
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jem wrote:
[...]
Post by jem
You're not helping anybody but the trolls by giving out such
information. That wasn't obvious?
Huuuuuuh?

a) Such information is right on the moron's website.
b) Moron is write-only poster.
c) Huuuuuuuh?
Tom Potter
2009-07-23 05:12:37 UTC
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Why is this stupid thread cluttering up sci.physics?
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Pmb
2009-07-23 13:12:33 UTC
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Post by Tom Potter
Why is this stupid thread cluttering up sci.physics?
You're not one to talk
pmb
2009-07-23 13:25:54 UTC
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Post by Tom Potter
Why is this stupid thread cluttering up sci.physics?
Given the amount of nonsense you post here, you're not one to talk
eric gisse
2009-07-22 20:35:05 UTC
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pmb wrote:

[...]
Post by pmb
Can you tell me how to create a filter in OE using those terms?
Filter by subject. The subjects haven't changed for a decade.
Y.Porat
2009-07-20 05:19:24 UTC
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Post by Y.Porat
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
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why filtering
i thought    that you   pmb   might  be
a wonderful moderator aknoe;eged by anyone here   !!!
you have all the qualities
and authority     for it
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That's a strange comment coming from someone who has insulted me so much in
the past.
I filter because I don't want to see childish posts from immature people who
derive pleasure from insulting and harassing people merely because they
can't force their ideas on others.
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i start insulting
only while someone else
**starts** to insult me

Y.P
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Whoever
2009-07-20 07:48:30 UTC
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Post by Y.Porat
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator
I'd agree.
Y.Porat
2009-07-20 08:24:58 UTC
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Post by Y.Porat
I'm sure you folks have seen how much damage is being done by these
scumbags who are spamming the phyics newsgroups with commercial
advertisements.
If you take a walk over to sci.physics.electromag you'll see that it's
being swamped with ads.
   Complaints to the originator's ISP (and in the cases where gmail is
   used-google) eventually help rid the offenders. Do you part and
   report the spammers.
As a general rule I dislike government sticking their nose into our
personal lives. But our personal lives are being disrupted by these
loathsome beings who spam a 10,000 people because they know one of
them will be stupid enough to buy what they're selling. So in this
case I'm for Internet regulation, i.e. to get rid of spaming us. Then
there are assholes like Retic around who misuse the interent as well
as harass people who they don't like.
So - Who of you don't mind all this spam in the newsgroups? Take a
walk over to sci.physics.electromag first to see the extent at which
its intruding into our discussions. I might be alone in this feeling,
I don't know. I'm merely curious to see who else is getting pissed off
at all these scumbags spam-bombing us so that they can make a dollar
for every million people they irritate.
Thanks for your opinions
Pete
------------------
 i think that Sam Wormley
could be a good regulator
Y.P
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now dont tell us that
you are Sam himself ?? (:-)

Y.P
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