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Post by Paul Wolff<http://archive-uat.catholicherald.co.uk/article/14th-march-2008/9/rabbis
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Rabbi Sybil Sheridan puts her finger on it. Religion is experiential,
and Dawkins is irrelevant to that.
Sure, just like ghosts are experiential and thus immune to the arguments
against their existence.
They are not experiential to atheists.
Atheists give up both their soul and sprit, by adopting atheism.
For them there is no life after death.
And indeed there is none. They do have just this one life to live, for as they
do not believe in rebirth, there can be no afterlife for them.
We all get what we want, when we so deserve.
Atheists don't want an afterlife, so they don't get it.
Post by Quinn CBehind this is weak epistemology. Both of my long-term partners believed
in ghosts and claimed to have experienced ghosts. I came to the
conclusion that I might have had the same experience, but I wouldn't
explain it as being a ghost, whereas this explanation was natural in the
(sub-)cultures they grew up in.
There is never any argument with believers in the spirit world and the deniers.
It is a matter of adjustment.
Civility implies agreeing to disagree peacefully.
Post by Quinn CI see religion the same way. God and his ilk are explanations culture
offers for certain experiences, but there are better explanations.
None, really. All inspiration comes from the spirit realm.
Such inspiration creates wealth and power.
Which leads to certain people thinking they are too smart.
These people are generally atheistic.
Post by Quinn CPost by Paul WolffPost by LewisThere is a class of atheists that will not put up
with bullshit spread by religious zealots trying to tell other people
how to live, behave, and believe.
Now that is where the atheists earn their keep.
Post by Quinn CPost by Paul WolffNow, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with one person trying to tell
another how to live, behave and believe. Philosophers do it all day
long.
No, most thinkers are self-absorbed, not busybodies.
Post by Quinn CWho ever are these philosophers you know? That seems extremely atypical
for a field whose most famous representative said "I know that I don't
know."
Philosophy is trying to catch a black bird in a darkened room.
Philosophy is love for the truth.
Post by Quinn CTheology is the same, only while doing it, you keep shouting "I got it!
I got it!"
Theology is a degraded outcome of spirituality, when zealots are involved.
Otherwise it is a guide to the best behaviour when it seeks to explain the
ways of the Gods and Goddesses.
Post by Quinn CPost by Paul WolffPost by LewisI've never met a single atheist who
has told someone not to be religious, only to stop trying to force their
religion on people who do not want it.
Never met any Marxist, I see.
Post by Quinn CPost by Paul WolffForcible religious conversion is very rare in civilised countries.
There's a thing in India these days, with scare stories being circulated
by Hindus about Muslim men trying to forcibly convert Hindu wives. It
looks like fake news, a la Trump.
It is called love jihad. It is often accompanied by murder when there is resistance.
Unfortunately there are real cases reported by the press.
It is by no means confined to India and its neighbouring counties. Just that the
mainstream media hushes it up.
Post by Quinn CIt's not about forced conversion. It's about all proselytizing, or about
spreading lies like that not having religion or having the wrong
religion will lead to immoral behavior.
My mother left the church behind because she found that people in the
congregation fared worse *by their own standards* than people not
claiming to be religious (much simplifying, of course.)
Any church is ultimately a business organisation, collecting tithes or whatever.
Its purpose is to unite people for social purposes, leading to business
opportunities, welfare, sociability, education, etc.
All very good, but like all businesses a particular church may fail.
Post by Quinn C--
It gets hot in Raleigh, but Texas! I don't know why anybody
lives here, honestly.
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.220