“Wuhan-400 Coronavirus – 1981 Novel Predicts Virus Origin”

Post by Lynn McGuire
“Wuhan-400 Coronavirus – 1981 Novel Predicts Virus Origin”
https://greatgameindia.com/wuhan-400-coronavirus-1981-novel-predicts-virus-origin/
“In a bizarre coincidence, a 1981 fictional novel The Eyes of Darkness
by Dean Koontz predicts a Coronavirus like outbreak and its origin. The
book talks about how the virus called Wuhan-400, was developed in
military labs around the Chinese city of Wuhan from where it got its
name. The top secret information of the Biological weapons Program is
later acquired by US intelligence from a Chinese defector. The American
military is ultimately successful in creating a vaccine which the
Chinese could not.”
https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Darkness-Thriller-Dean-Koontz/dp/0425224864/
Lynn

Setting aside the incorrect details, technically
what the Dean predicted is that Wuhan is in China.
Admittedly this came as a surprise to me - not that
I thought it was anywhere else - so I'll give him
that.

D B Davis

2020-02-12 18:14:00 UTC

Robert, this narrative probably suits you better:

"The Wuhan Virus Is Not a Lab-Made Bioweapon" (Justin Ling)
Conspiracy theories are spreading faster than the coronavirus itself.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon/

Ling demonizes _Great Game India_ and _ZeroHedge_ as "conspiracy sites,"
seemingly inferior to the oligarchy's own Mephistophelean mass media
"Russian conspiracy sites." ...

☮

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David Johnston

2020-02-12 19:19:12 UTC

"The Wuhan Virus Is Not a Lab-Made Bioweapon" (Justin Ling)
Conspiracy theories are spreading faster than the coronavirus itself.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon/
Ling demonizes _Great Game India_ and _ZeroHedge_ as "conspiracy sites,"
seemingly inferior to the oligarchy's own Mephistophelean mass media
"Russian conspiracy sites." ...

Because they are.

D B Davis

2020-02-12 19:26:56 UTC

Because they are.

Prove it.

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Quadibloc

2020-02-17 04:35:32 UTC

Post by D B Davis
Ling demonizes _Great Game India_ and _ZeroHedge_ as "conspiracy sites,"
seemingly inferior to the oligarchy's own Mephistophelean mass media
"Russian conspiracy sites." ...

Because they are.

Prove it.

Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. So wingnut site or not, there was
a scientific paper that briefly existed which noted that there were two labs in
the area that were actively conducting research on those bats - and one was onl6
280 metres from the food market. While bats weren't being captured for food in
the area.

This is still not the same thing as a Chinese bioweapon gone wrong, simply
improper precautions being taken at a research lab, promoting the escape of a
natural pathogen.

John Savard

Quadibloc

2020-02-17 04:37:14 UTC

Post by D B Davis
Ling demonizes _Great Game India_ and _ZeroHedge_ as "conspiracy sites,"
seemingly inferior to the oligarchy's own Mephistophelean mass media
"Russian conspiracy sites." ...

Because they are.

Prove it.

Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. So wingnut site or not, there was
a scientific paper that briefly existed which noted that there were two labs in
the area that were actively conducting research on those bats - and one was onl6
280 metres from the food market. While bats weren't being captured for food in
the area.
This is still not the same thing as a Chinese bioweapon gone wrong, simply
improper precautions being taken at a research lab, promoting the escape of a
natural pathogen.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus

John Savard

Quadibloc

2020-02-12 19:36:02 UTC

Post by Robert Carnegie
Setting aside the incorrect details, technically
what the Dean predicted is that Wuhan is in China.
Admittedly this came as a surprise to me - not that
I thought it was anywhere else - so I'll give him
that.

Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

So maybe it knew all about that cave of bats that was recently discovered in the
area...

While this could all be a coincidence, I can now see why people might entertain
this kind of suspicion.

John Savard

David Johnston

2020-02-12 19:41:02 UTC

Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

Quadibloc

2020-02-12 23:06:31 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

John Savard

Juho Julkunen

2020-02-13 01:48:00 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

It has, by almost three decades.

--
Juho Julkunen

Quadibloc

2020-02-13 03:21:07 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

It has, by almost three decades.

What, decades, not millenia?

In any case, if my reply seems enigmatic, it was because it referenced Robert Carnegie's statment:

"Setting aside the incorrect details, technically
what the Dean predicted is that Wuhan is in China.
Admittedly this came as a surprise to me - not that
I thought it was anywhere else - so I'll give him
that."

If he can say that Dean Koontz "predicted" that Wuhan is in China, then I can
say that he "correctly predicted" that there was a virology lab near it, even though the lab, in 1956, predated the novel in 1981.

John Savard

Kevrob

2020-02-13 04:19:50 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

It has, by almost three decades.

What, decades, not millenia?

How long have Buda and Pest been in Hungary, and how
long has Budapest been? Same difference.

[snip]

Kevin R

Titus G

2020-02-13 04:31:30 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

It has, by almost three decades.

What, decades, not millenia?
"Setting aside the incorrect details, technically
what the Dean predicted is that Wuhan is in China.
Admittedly this came as a surprise to me - not that
I thought it was anywhere else - so I'll give him
that."
If he can say that Dean Koontz "predicted" that Wuhan is in China, then I can
say that he "correctly predicted" that there was a virology lab near it, even though the lab, in 1956, predated the novel in 1981.
John Savard

When children, we were led to believe that if we dug a hole deep enough,
we would end up in China. I predict that Quadi will shortly be in Wuhan.

Quadibloc

2020-02-13 06:45:10 UTC

Post by Titus G

Post by Quadibloc
If he can say that Dean Koontz "predicted" that Wuhan is in China, then I can
say that he "correctly predicted" that there was a virology lab near it, even though the lab, in 1956, predated the novel in 1981.

When children, we were led to believe that if we dug a hole deep enough,
we would end up in China. I predict that Quadi will shortly be in Wuhan.

Odd, I thought I was explaining what was my obvious sarcasm all along, so to
claim I am contradicting myself, backtracking, and otherwise digging myself into
a deep hole seems strange.

John Savard

Titus G

2020-02-13 19:23:56 UTC

Post by Titus G

When children, we were led to believe that if we dug a hole deep enough,
we would end up in China. I predict that Quadi will shortly be in Wuhan.

Odd, I thought I was explaining what was my obvious sarcasm all along, so to
claim I am contradicting myself, backtracking, and otherwise digging myself into
a deep hole seems strange.
John Savard

If that is so, then I misunderstood. Sorry.

Juho Julkunen

2020-02-14 16:32:23 UTC

Post by Quadibloc
Dean Koontz, then, "correctly predicted" that there is a Chinese virology lab
near Wuhan suspected of involvement in biological weapons research.

The virology lab has been there since 1956.

I'm sure that Wuhan has been in China even longer.

It has, by almost three decades.

What, decades, not millenia?

Yes. Wuchang, Hankou and Hanyang were merged into Wuhan in 1927.

--
Juho Julkunen

k***@outlook.com

2020-02-13 14:56:58 UTC

One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

D B Davis

2020-02-13 16:22:40 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be controlled
to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician could be so
explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of his scientists, but
that is not the way to bet.

_Harvard to the Big House_ offers up an interesting alternative
(alt right?) narrative:

Given the ... facts, either:

- A coronavirus spontaneously mutated and jumped to humans
at a wet market or deep in some random bat cave which just
so happened to be 20 miles from China's only BSL-4 virology
lab, a virus with an unusually slippery never-before-seen
genome that's evading zoological classification, and whose
spike-protein region which allows it to enter host cells
appears most like a bio-engineered commercial product, that
somehow managed to infect its first three and roughly
one-third of its initial victims despite them not being
connected to this market, and then be so fined-tuned to
humans that it's gone on to create the single greatest
public health crisis in Chinese history with approaching
100 million citizens locked-down or quarantined - also
causing Mongolia to close its border with its largest
trading partner for the first time in modern history.

- Or, Chinese scientists failed to follow correct
sanitation protocols possibly while in a rush during
their boisterous holiday season, something that had
been anticipated since the opening of the BSL-4 lab and
has happened at least four times previously, and
accidentally released this bio-engineered Wuhan Strain -
likely created by scientists researching immunotherapy
regimes against bat coronaviruses, who've already
demonstrated the ability to perform every step necessary
to bio-engineer the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCov - into their
population, and now the world. As would be expected, this
virus appears to have been bio-engineered at the
spike-protein genes which was already done at UNC to
make an extraordinarily virulent coronavirus. Chinese
efforts to stop the full story about what's going on
are because they want the scales to be even since they're
now facing a severe pandemic and depopulation event. No
facts point against this conclusion. [1]

Note.

[1] https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/

ObSF:

_Outbreak_ (Cook)

Murder and mystery reach epidemic proportions when a
devastating plague sweeps the country.

Dr. Marissa Blumenthal of the Atlanta Centers for
Disease Control investigates--and soon uncovers the
medical world's deadliest secret.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/259538.Outbreak

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Paul S Person

2020-02-13 18:36:46 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

Or total ideological conformity, which is known to happen under
Communism, and which can have the same effect as requiring stupidity.

(Subject altered so it will post)

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-13 19:52:49 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

If it is a bioweapon, targeted or not, then the leadership of China and
VIPs have already been vaccinated.

Lynn

Peter Trei

2020-02-14 00:44:37 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

If it is a bioweapon, targeted or not, then the leadership of China and
VIPs have already been vaccinated.
Lynn

This should be right up you alley:

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/

TL,DNR: The virus was engineered, for research purposes, in China, and
accidentally released.

Pt

D B Davis

2020-02-14 01:25:31 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be
controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician
could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of
his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

If it is a bioweapon, targeted or not, then the leadership of China and
VIPs have already been vaccinated.
Lynn

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/
TL,DNR: The virus was engineered, for research purposes, in China, and
accidentally released.

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tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

D B Davis

2020-02-14 01:37:43 UTC

Post by k***@outlook.com
One reason to _not_ think it is a bioweapon is that they must be
controlled to be a weapon. Of course it is possible that a politician
could be so explicative stupid that he demands total incompetence of
his scientists, but that is not the way to bet.

If it is a bioweapon, targeted or not, then the leadership of China and
VIPs have already been vaccinated.
Lynn

The links at that site offer a wealth of information. The data presented
serendipitously ties in to my two soon-to-be-published (real soon now)
Genetic Engineering sfnal reviews.
2019-nCoV apparently consists of ~50,000 bases compared to the 7741
bases used by poliovirus bioengineered by a couple of Stony Brook
virologists. (Yes, people actually did that. See the citation at
the link.)
Xu Jimping Meng went a little further and patented "Coronal virus
genetic engineering protein and use thereof:"

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=CN&NR=1990502&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP

Unfortunately, Meng's patent's only available as a PDF in Chinese:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20090916&DB=&locale=en_EP&CC=CN&NR=100540564C&KC=C&ND=1

Does anyone know how to convert a PDF from Chinese to English?

FWIW, Here's the "mother link," so to speak, of the patent:

Coronal virus genetic engineering protein and use thereof

Abstract
The invention discloses a genetic engineering protein of
coronavirus and its application. That is genetic engineering
protein FSPA relevant to S protein of coronavirus SARS- CoV
and nucleotide sequences amnio sequence and code said FSPA.
The invention also discloses a recombinant insect virus
strain containing SARS- CoV Spike- recombinant autographa
californica nucleopolyhe-drovirus AcNPV- FSPA,
CCTCC No.V200513, inserts into the expression box of
SARS- CoV Spike. The inventiton also discloses the application
of FSPA in checking the coronavirus SARS- CoV, which is the
pathogen for acute respiratory syndrome.

http://europepmc.org/article/pat/CN1990502

Although the SureChembl Full Text link at the above site contains an
English translation, it doesn't offer an English PDF.

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p***@gmail.com

2020-02-13 20:53:11 UTC

The probability is that the Wuhan virus is not engineered.
It has a pedigree and is quite closely similar to several
other viruses that form quite a branching tree. It has an
ancestral virus that is found in bats, and is a reasonably
close relative of SARS and MERS.

There are also related viruses found in civets. Indeed, the
proposed path between bats and humans is through civets.

The major change in the current virus seems to be the coating
is slightly more robust. It means it can survive a bit longer
outside a host, possibly in smaller droplets of liquid, and
possibly on surfaces with less liquid. There have been reports,
so far not confirmed, that it can survive on cloth or tissue
for several days. So it could be alive on surfaces such as
wall paper, carpets, furniture, etc., and able to infect some
unwary person who walked by and disturbed the particles into
floating in the air.

Also, it can apparently infect through the eyes or nose as well
as the mouth. So you want to be washing your hands quite carefully
before touching any part of your face. And hand santizer should
be on your shopping list.

Keep in mind the relatively short generation time of an active
virus, and the very large number of individuals. It has lots
of chances to mutate, and the mutations have lots of chances
to find a potential host.

Quadibloc

2020-02-14 10:58:00 UTC

Post by p***@gmail.com
The probability is that the Wuhan virus is not engineered.
It has a pedigree and is quite closely similar to several
other viruses that form quite a branching tree. It has an
ancestral virus that is found in bats, and is a reasonably
close relative of SARS and MERS.

I would tend to agree. The presence of the virology lab _looks_ bad, but there's
really no evidence that this is anything more than an unfortunate coincidence.

Post by p***@gmail.com
The major change in the current virus seems to be the coating
is slightly more robust. It means it can survive a bit longer
outside a host, possibly in smaller droplets of liquid, and
possibly on surfaces with less liquid. There have been reports,
so far not confirmed, that it can survive on cloth or tissue
for several days. So it could be alive on surfaces such as
wall paper, carpets, furniture, etc., and able to infect some
unwary person who walked by and disturbed the particles into
floating in the air.

However, this is alarming. So far, most countries are quarantining _people_
coming from China, but not placing any restrictions on cargo shipments from it.

So this _is_ perhaps just the change one might expect of an intentionally
designed bioweapon. That doesn't mean it is one; for it to cause so much havoc
in China itself first - pinpointing China as its source, as well - is not what
one would expect of someone using a weapon. Accidental release? But if the
change is only a slight increase in survivability outside a host, that's likely
to develop naturally.

John Savard

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-14 20:15:40 UTC

I would tend to agree. The presence of the virology lab _looks_ bad, but there's
really no evidence that this is anything more than an unfortunate coincidence.

However, this is alarming. So far, most countries are quarantining _people_
coming from China, but not placing any restrictions on cargo shipments from it.
So this _is_ perhaps just the change one might expect of an intentionally
designed bioweapon. That doesn't mean it is one; for it to cause so much havoc
in China itself first - pinpointing China as its source, as well - is not what
one would expect of someone using a weapon. Accidental release? But if the
change is only a slight increase in survivability outside a host, that's likely
to develop naturally.
John Savard

China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan and another
is to cut the population growth in China. They can get a twofer out of
the wuflu.

Lynn

Juho Julkunen

2020-02-14 22:26:24 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan and another
is to cut the population growth in China. They can get a twofer out of
the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is currently around
1.6, and they would very much like it to be higher, as they don't want
to become a much poorer Japan.

Taiwan is still current, of course.

--
Juho Julkunen

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-14 23:53:59 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan and another
is to cut the population growth in China. They can get a twofer out of
the wuflu.

TFR ?

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-14 22:57:48 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-15 00:23:35 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after killing 200
to 400 million of them, you have cut the population growth and balanced
the horrible male to female ratio in China (many females will die also
due to bad targeting).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china-by-gender/

And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4 babies.
If, you can talk them into it.

BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel-demand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-14 23:49:13 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you believe that's what happened, you're as mentally ill as Alan
Baker.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-15 01:58:35 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you believe that's what happened, you're as mentally ill as Alan
Baker.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-02-13/why-most-coronavirus-deaths-have-been-chinese-men

Who knows what the truth really is ? Incompetence or ???

Lynn

Ninapenda Jibini

2020-02-16 20:14:42 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to
be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you believe that's what happened, you're as mentally ill as
Alan Baker.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-02-13/why-most-coronavirus-de
aths-have-been-chinese-men

There's no a single word in that to suggest the authors believe it
was created or released on purpose for any reason, much less
population control.

In all seriousness, get psychiatric help. You're hallucinating.

Post by Lynn McGuire
Who knows what the truth really is ? Incompetence or ???

Meaningful analysis is impossible when data are as unreliable as .
. . anything that comes from the Chinese government.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Quadibloc

2020-02-16 20:25:23 UTC

Post by Ninapenda Jibini
There's no a single word in that to suggest the authors believe it
was created or released on purpose for any reason, much less
population control.

Yes, despite what the article says about ACE2, it would be a far-fetched theory to
suggest the virus was designed to destroy the tobacco industry, and so I'm sure
the authors don't believe that... but the conclusion is no doubt _possible_. That
is, somebody might jump to it.

John Savard

J. Clarke

2020-02-15 01:34:41 UTC

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after killing 200
to 400 million of them, you have cut the population growth and balanced
the horrible male to female ratio in China (many females will die also
due to bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china-by-gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4 babies.
If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel-demand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-15 01:57:54 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after killing 200
to 400 million of them, you have cut the population growth and balanced
the horrible male to female ratio in China (many females will die also
due to bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china-by-gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4 babies.
If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel-demand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

Look at their motto, "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for
everyone drops to zero.".

Lynn

Quadibloc

2020-02-15 03:08:56 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

Look at their motto, "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for
everyone drops to zero.".

That is certainly true. However, as it is a very well-known fact, that they are
aware of it is not in itself a demonstration of exceptional competency to be
accurate in other respects about matters of which the truth is more difficult to
determine.

John Savard

D B Davis

2020-02-15 03:22:17 UTC

J. Clarke <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by J. Clarke
Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

Is any of this reliable?

7 Charts To Love On Valentine's Day

(1) Odds of US Recession This Year Are Low
(2) US Equities May Not Be At Valuation Extremes
(3) Many Euro Haters, But Not in Europe
(4) Everyone Loves Merkel
(5) China has Dramatically Slowed its CO2 Emissions
(6) Japan’s Elderly Like to Work
(7) Online Dating Leads to Marriage

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/7-charts-love-valentines-day

☮

Thank you,

--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``.
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

J. Clarke

2020-02-15 13:32:32 UTC

Post by D B Davis
<snip>

Post by J. Clarke
Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

Is any of this reliable?
7 Charts To Love On Valentine's Day
(1) Odds of US Recession This Year Are Low
(2) US Equities May Not Be At Valuation Extremes
(3) Many Euro Haters, But Not in Europe
(4) Everyone Loves Merkel
(5) China has Dramatically Slowed its CO2 Emissions
(6) Japan’s Elderly Like to Work
(7) Online Dating Leads to Marriage
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/7-charts-love-valentines-day

Those seem to come from a paywalled site called "Macro Hive". Is that
a well known reliable news source?

Ninapenda Jibini

2020-02-16 20:20:54 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the population
growth and balanced the horrible male to female ratio in China
(many females will die also due to bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china-by
-gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down
50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel-de
mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

If you back up to their home page, you'll find that the
overwhelming majority of their articles are on finance. Which does
not impress me as a making them experts on medical issues.

They also believe that crypotcurrency has a meaningful future, and
that Bitcoin will beat the Dow to 40,000.

Their politics tab can't seem to decide if they're moonbats or
wingnuts, but dammit! they're going to be crazy!

I'm not sure I'd trust them to tell me the day of the week.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-17 18:48:17 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify Taiwan
and another is to cut the population growth in China. They
can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to be
higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the population
growth and balanced the horrible male to female ratio in China
(many females will die also due to bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china-by
-gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel-de
mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

If you see an article by a Tyler Durden then that is their nom de plume
for an anonymous journalist who does not want their name on the article.
But, the journalist wants the article to get out there.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-refusing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 18:03:29 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to
be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china
-by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel
-de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want their
real name attached to their words.

Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-refus
ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News. Which
is to say, it's not.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-17 20:31:50 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to
be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china
-by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel
-de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want their
real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-refus
ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News. Which
is to say, it's not.

Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 19:53:42 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-chi
na -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or
4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is
down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-ste
el -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-ref
us ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News.
Which is to say, it's not.

Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my ears in
new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve a fair bit
of travel to deploy.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-17 21:27:58 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-chi
na -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or
4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is
down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-ste
el -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-ref
us ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News.
Which is to say, it's not.

Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my ears in
new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve a fair bit
of travel to deploy.

I am getting ready to start moving my shop to Windows 10 x64 Pro from
Windows 7 x64 Pro. Ten computers in all. I tried it back about 3 or 4
years ago and hated it so I rolled back to W7. I figure that it will
take a year or so amidst the many other hats that I wear.

Lynn

Robert Carnegie

2020-02-17 22:07:50 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-chi
na -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or
4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-ste
el -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-ref
us ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News.
Which is to say, it's not.

Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my ears in
new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve a fair bit
of travel to deploy.

Win 7 is already unsupported. This usually means that
the latest security flaw fixed in the next release
is something you're stuck with. Though I gather there
have been one or two or three late patches to correct
the "last ever" patch, which had messed up the desktop
"wallpaper". But not the Bluetooth bug which accidentally
broadcasts your zip code and bank PIN number, no!

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 21:33:27 UTC

On 2/17/2020 12:03 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR
is currently around 1.6, and they would very much like
it to be higher, as they don't want to become a much
poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut
the population growth and balanced the horrible male to
female ratio in China (many females will die also due to
bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-c
hi na -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3
or 4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-s
te el -de
mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is
just gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-r
ef us ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News.
Which is to say, it's not.

Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

I am getting ready to start moving my shop to Windows 10 x64 Pro
from Windows 7 x64 Pro. Ten computers in all. I tried it back
about 3 or 4 years ago and hated it so I rolled back to W7. I
figure that it will take a year or so amidst the many other hats
that I wear.

I've got 84 that can't be upgraded in 16 locations in two states
that can't be upgraded sufficiently. Probably as many more that can
be.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Jaimie Vandenbergh

2020-02-19 02:14:18 UTC

On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha"

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my ears in
new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve a fair bit
of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment", which goes to
show how my reading systems batches words across multiple lines I suppose.
Once my eyes had widened in surprise I got the sequence right.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing"
-- George Bernard Shaw

Ninapenda Jibini

2020-02-19 06:46:26 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment",
which goes to show how my reading systems batches words across
multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had widened in surprise I
got the sequence right.

We're going to be deploying most of the Win 7 systems to, probably
some charity that will probably install Linux on them, or
something. We don't really care what, so long as they haul them
away for free. A few I'll hang onto for replacement firewalls.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 07:16:43 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment",
which goes to show how my reading systems batches words across
multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had widened in surprise I
got the sequence right.

So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone? I
am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards, and I
don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the like.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Kevrob

2020-02-19 09:06:05 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone? I
am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards, and I
don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

Kevin R

Robert Carnegie

2020-02-19 09:57:42 UTC

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

Kevrob

2020-02-19 16:37:32 UTC

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

There are still keyboard shortcuts, for musophobes.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026425/windows-10-keyboard-shortcuts

Kevin R

Kevin R

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 18:13:54 UTC

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

There are still keyboard shortcuts, for musophobes.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026425/windows-10-keyboard-shortcuts

Thank you; saved to disk in the hope I may be able to use it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 16:17:14 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter
keyboards, and I don't want to have to know about
touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

That hasn't been my experience on desktops. On tablets, yeah, the
interface defaults to being set up for tablets.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 18:06:35 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter
keyboards, and I don't want to have to know about
touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

I can't do touchscreens, or, at least, I have never been able to;
back in the 1990s when I had an IBM Thinkpad, Hal got me a
trackball to plug into it ... and a separate numeric keypad that
I could also plug into it, because the online game I was playing
used that for various character movements.

Post by Robert Carnegie
You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

I also can't do mice, except with extreme difficulty. I have been
using trackballs since I was working for a professor (also back
in the 1990s) where everybody in the lab was using Macs and I had
to too. I didn't have enough space on my desk (physical, not
electronic) for a mousepad. (Before that, I had been using BSD
UNIX on an ADM3A on an acoustic coupler, so one might have
thought the Mac would be a step up; but it was not so.)

Which cartoon cat was it who used to say, "I hate meeses to
pieces!"?

/google

Jinx the Cat, of the Huckleberry Hound stable.

What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built into
the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left" buttons are
actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the trackball.
It occasionally has to go into the shop to be fixed, and Hal sets
me up with an ordinary keyboard and separate trackball, and I
have to re-learn a whole new set of muscle movements.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
That hasn't been my experience on desktops. On tablets, yeah, the
interface defaults to being set up for tablets.

I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet, so
that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto it, and
be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm not at home
with my PC.

But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 21:59:33 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on
typewriter keyboards, and I don't want to have to know
about touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

I can't do touchscreens, or, at least, I have never been able
to; back in the 1990s when I had an IBM Thinkpad, Hal got me a
trackball to plug into it ...

The technology has improved, but I used to work with a woman would
simply could not use a mouse. Wasn't computer illiterate, just
couldn't make her eye/hand coordination work that way.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
and a separate numeric keypad that
I could also plug into it, because the online game I was playing
used that for various character movements.

Unless you buy a tablet, touch screens are a luxury that costs a
fair amount extra. And are not at all common on desktops.

Make sure you have multiple USB ports and you can always plug in a
keyboard and mouse and ignore the touch screen (or, likely, turn
it off).

Post by Robert Carnegie
You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

So far as the OS is concerned, a trackball and a mouse are the
same thing. Where one will work, the other will as well.

(Software that actually follows the design principles for Windows
(desktop - Metro can go to hell) programs always have keyboard
commands. Sadly, such software isn't all that common any more.)

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Which cartoon cat was it who used to say, "I hate meeses to
pieces!"?
/google
Jinx the Cat, of the Huckleberry Hound stable.
What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built
into the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left"
buttons are actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the
trackball. It occasionally has to go into the shop to be fixed,
and Hal sets me up with an ordinary keyboard and separate
trackball, and I have to re-learn a whole new set of muscle
movements.

Keyboards, mice and trackballs are universal stuff. Any of them
should work on any computer. Find one you like, and get used to
it.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
That hasn't been my experience on desktops. On tablets, yeah,
the interface defaults to being set up for tablets.

I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet,
so that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto it,
and be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm not at
home with my PC.
But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

You'll more likely end up with an Android tablet rather than
Windows. They're cheaper, and generally better (unless you are
willign to spend a grand or more on a Surface). Samsung has a line
of Galaxy tablets that make great book readers (and so-so cheapie
tables). Not sure if Calibre is available for Android, though. It
doesn't seem to be available, but there is a "Calibre Companion"
app in the Android store (but it's not free).

Personally, I don't much like the reader part of Calibre. I find
the Barnes & Noble nook app is a more natural interface, possibly
becuase I've used it the most, but that adds extra hoops since I
don't buy books from B&N any more.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-20 02:23:59 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on
typewriter keyboards, and I don't want to have to know
about touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

I can't do touchscreens, or, at least, I have never been able
to; back in the 1990s when I had an IBM Thinkpad, Hal got me a
trackball to plug into it ...

The technology has improved, but I used to work with a woman would
simply could not use a mouse. Wasn't computer illiterate, just
couldn't make her eye/hand coordination work that way.

I find it very difficult to keep a mouse on track; the cursor
tends to drift off the screen. Because of the way my arm moves,
I guess.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
and a separate numeric keypad that
I could also plug into it, because the online game I was playing
used that for various character movements.

Unless you buy a tablet, touch screens are a luxury that costs a
fair amount extra. And are not at all common on desktops.

Good. I don't want one.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Make sure you have multiple USB ports and you can always plug in a
keyboard and mouse and ignore the touch screen (or, likely, turn
it off).

Sounds like a plan.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So far as the OS is concerned, a trackball and a mouse are the
same thing. Where one will work, the other will as well.

Unless I'm using it. :)

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
(Software that actually follows the design principles for Windows
(desktop - Metro can go to hell) programs always have keyboard
commands. Sadly, such software isn't all that common any more.)

Well, I'm sure you remember (because I've told it so many times)
how I phoned Cupertino to ask how to make new "Hotkeys" so that I
would never have to used the mouse, and the tech said, "Why would
anybody want not to use the mouse?"

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built
into the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left"
buttons are actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the
trackball. It occasionally has to go into the shop to be fixed,
and Hal sets me up with an ordinary keyboard and separate
trackball, and I have to re-learn a whole new set of muscle
movements.

Keyboards, mice and trackballs are universal stuff. Any of them
should work on any computer. Find one you like, and get used to
it.

I have done that. Unicomp keyboard, (which, as you probably
know, Bob, licensed the original IBM Selectric keyboard) with the
little trackball in the upper right. For me that is the IDEAL
keyboard, and Hal is talking about getting me another one so I
have a spare in case one needs to go into the shop.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet,
so that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto it,
and be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm not at
home with my PC.
But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

Well, I already have Calibre on my PC, so it would be one less
thing to learn.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Ninapenda Jibini

2020-02-20 03:09:10 UTC

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 2:35:03 AM UTC-5,

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a
touchscreen or a phone? I am old, and I learned my
skills on typewriter keyboards, and I don't want to have
to know about touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

I can't do touchscreens, or, at least, I have never been able
to; back in the 1990s when I had an IBM Thinkpad, Hal got me a
trackball to plug into it ...

The technology has improved, but I used to work with a woman
would simply could not use a mouse. Wasn't computer illiterate,
just couldn't make her eye/hand coordination work that way.

I find it very difficult to keep a mouse on track; the cursor
tends to drift off the screen. Because of the way my arm moves,
I guess.

That is, more or less, what she had going on.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
and a separate numeric keypad that
I could also plug into it, because the online game I was
playing used that for various character movements.

Unless you buy a tablet, touch screens are a luxury that costs a
fair amount extra. And are not at all common on desktops.

Good. I don't want one.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Make sure you have multiple USB ports and you can always plug in
a keyboard and mouse and ignore the touch screen (or, likely,
turn it off).

Sounds like a plan.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So far as the OS is concerned, a trackball and a mouse are the
same thing. Where one will work, the other will as well.

Unless I'm using it. :)

The mouse will do exactly what you tell it to. It's your hand that
won't obey.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
(Software that actually follows the design principles for
Windows (desktop - Metro can go to hell) programs always have
keyboard commands. Sadly, such software isn't all that common
any more.)

Well, I'm sure you remember (because I've told it so many times)
how I phoned Cupertino to ask how to make new "Hotkeys" so that
I would never have to used the mouse, and the tech said, "Why
would anybody want not to use the mouse?"

Appleheads are very committed to how they want things to be - once
Apple tells them what that is.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built
into the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left"
buttons are actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the
trackball. It occasionally has to go into the shop to be
fixed, and Hal sets me up with an ordinary keyboard and
separate trackball, and I have to re-learn a whole new set of
muscle movements.

Keyboards, mice and trackballs are universal stuff. Any of them
should work on any computer. Find one you like, and get used to
it.

I have done that. Unicomp keyboard, (which, as you probably
know, Bob, licensed the original IBM Selectric keyboard) with
the little trackball in the upper right. For me that is the
IDEAL keyboard, and Hal is talking about getting me another one
so I have a spare in case one needs to go into the shop.

If it's USB, it will work on pretty much any computer.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet,
so that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto
it, and be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm
not at home with my PC.
But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

Well, I already have Calibre on my PC, so it would be one less
thing to learn.

With a tablet, you'll want to figure out the touchscreen motion to
turn pages. (And if you don't like the way Calibre's reader works,
hit the app store for whatever kind of table. You'll find a dozen
others that are free.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Quadibloc

2020-02-20 04:38:45 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I have done that. Unicomp keyboard, (which, as you probably
know, Bob, licensed the original IBM Selectric keyboard) with the
little trackball in the upper right. For me that is the IDEAL
keyboard, and Hal is talking about getting me another one so I
have a spare in case one needs to go into the shop.

At least Unicomp makes them with USB, my own original Model M has a PS/2 cable,
of course. But it's the IBM buckling spring keyboard from the IBM PC that
Unicomp licensed, not the keyboard from the Selectric typewriter. Anyone can use
the standard electric typewriter keyboard layout.

John Savard

Paul S Person

2020-02-20 17:38:14 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter
keyboards, and I don't want to have to know about
touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

Post by Robert Carnegie
You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

I also can't do mice, except with extreme difficulty. I have been
using trackballs since I was working for a professor (also back
in the 1990s) where everybody in the lab was using Macs and I had
to too. I didn't have enough space on my desk (physical, not
electronic) for a mousepad. (Before that, I had been using BSD
UNIX on an ADM3A on an acoustic coupler, so one might have
thought the Mac would be a step up; but it was not so.)
Which cartoon cat was it who used to say, "I hate meeses to
pieces!"?
/google
Jinx the Cat, of the Huckleberry Hound stable.
What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built into
the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left" buttons are
actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the trackball.
It occasionally has to go into the shop to be fixed, and Hal sets
me up with an ordinary keyboard and separate trackball, and I
have to re-learn a whole new set of muscle movements.

You're using Windows now, right? I got that impression, anyway.

Whatever works now should still work, if this is purely a software
upgrade. It might be necessary to reinstall a driver, although Win 10
comes with a /lot/ of drivers (looks to me like basically anything
they have /ever/ had a driver for in the past, no matter how old it
may be). Or some configuration (key-mapping), if it needed it before.

Even with new hardware it should still work; PS2 to USB convertors
should still exist. There's always a market for convertors. Just check
out what the new machine can handle directly, and start looking for
convertors from USB to whatever you need (USB-to-parallel, for a
printer, for example).

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
That hasn't been my experience on desktops. On tablets, yeah, the
interface defaults to being set up for tablets.

I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet, so
that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto it, and
be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm not at home
with my PC.
But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

Some touch screen devices really do work well. My Logitech Squeezebox
has a very well designed menu system for accessing my music.

Others are ... not so hot. I prefer my older Kindle with the
mechanical buttons because I can't always remember what swipes,
swooshes, or whatever are needed for the new Kindle with its touch
screen. And my Fire HD 6 is sometimes unmanageable. It also doesn't
help when they update your OS and make changes to the user interface
that they do not explain, just leave lying around for you to discover.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-20 19:35:11 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7?
Win 10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the
features that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen
or a phone? I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter
keyboards, and I don't want to have to know about
touchscreens and the like.

Tablet mode may be toggled on or toggled off from a
menu accessible from the toolbar. My laptop has
no touchscreen, so I toggle it off.

Post by Robert Carnegie
You may need a mouse. And maybe special mouse skills.
Window scroll bars tend to hide or just not exist,
so a mouse with a scrolling wheel is advantageous.

I also can't do mice, except with extreme difficulty. I have been
using trackballs since I was working for a professor (also back
in the 1990s) where everybody in the lab was using Macs and I had
to too. I didn't have enough space on my desk (physical, not
electronic) for a mousepad. (Before that, I had been using BSD
UNIX on an ADM3A on an acoustic coupler, so one might have
thought the Mac would be a step up; but it was not so.)
What I now have is a Unicomp keyboard with a trackball built into
the upper right-hand corner. Its "right" and "left" buttons are
actually "upper" and "lower", to the left of the trackball.
It occasionally has to go into the shop to be fixed, and Hal sets
me up with an ordinary keyboard and separate trackball, and I
have to re-learn a whole new set of muscle movements.

You're using Windows now, right? I got that impression, anyway.

Yes. Win7, to be specific, which is where the problem arises.

Post by Paul S Person
Whatever works now should still work, if this is purely a software
upgrade. It might be necessary to reinstall a driver, although Win 10
comes with a /lot/ of drivers (looks to me like basically anything
they have /ever/ had a driver for in the past, no matter how old it
may be). Or some configuration (key-mapping), if it needed it before.
Even with new hardware it should still work; PS2 to USB convertors
should still exist. There's always a market for convertors. Just check
out what the new machine can handle directly, and start looking for
convertors from USB to whatever you need (USB-to-parallel, for a
printer, for example).

All this is going over my head, whoosh. But I'm saving all of
this to disk so Hal can give his opinion at the appropriate time.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
That hasn't been my experience on desktops. On tablets, yeah, the
interface defaults to being set up for tablets.

I have actually been toying with the idea of getting a tablet, so
that I could put Calibre on it and load a few books onto it, and
be able to read them on the rare occasions when I'm not at home
with my PC.
But I would have to learn how to use the thing, and you know
about old dogs and new tricks.....

Some touch screen devices really do work well. My Logitech Squeezebox
has a very well designed menu system for accessing my music.
Others are ... not so hot. I prefer my older Kindle with the
mechanical buttons because I can't always remember what swipes,
swooshes, or whatever are needed for the new Kindle with its touch
screen. And my Fire HD 6 is sometimes unmanageable. It also doesn't
help when they update your OS and make changes to the user interface
that they do not explain, just leave lying around for you to discover.

/shiver

Hal doesn't speak Kindle either. And although I just googled
them and they've come down some in price, I really don't want one
that's going to turn into quicksand under my feet; I have enough
trouble on solid ground.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

J. Clarke

2020-02-19 12:33:22 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment",
which goes to show how my reading systems batches words across
multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had widened in surprise I
got the sequence right.

Just install it. If you don't have a touchscreen it doesn't turn on
any features that require a touchscreen (you can make it to turn them
on if you want to but that's not the default). And Windows Phone has
been dead for a while now.

Quadibloc

2020-02-19 15:16:19 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

John Savard

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 16:39:07 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me) have
to make in order to use Win 10? All the things I have heard
about it are horrible (not only its having been designed for
phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells and
whistles that nobody seems to want).

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 16:18:47 UTC

In article

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?
I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards,
and I don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the
like.

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me)
have to make in order to use Win 10?

The start menu looks different, and you may have to manually pin
icons to it for stuff you use a lot.

All the things I have
heard about it are horrible (not only its having been designed
for phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells
and whistles that nobody seems to want).

None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 18:07:48 UTC

In article

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?
I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards,
and I don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the
like.

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me)
have to make in order to use Win 10?

The start menu looks different, and you may have to manually pin
icons to it for stuff you use a lot.

All the things I have
heard about it are horrible (not only its having been designed
for phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells
and whistles that nobody seems to want).

None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

J. Clarke

2020-02-20 02:02:42 UTC

In article

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?
I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards,
and I don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the
like.

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me)
have to make in order to use Win 10?

The start menu looks different, and you may have to manually pin
icons to it for stuff you use a lot.

All the things I have
heard about it are horrible (not only its having been designed
for phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells
and whistles that nobody seems to want).

None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

Note--if you like the starfield screen saver, be sure to grab a copy
of it--it works fine with Windows 10 but doesn't come with it.

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-20 02:32:18 UTC

Post by J. Clarke

In article

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?
I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards,
and I don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the
like.

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me)
have to make in order to use Win 10?

The start menu looks different, and you may have to manually pin
icons to it for stuff you use a lot.

All the things I have
heard about it are horrible (not only its having been designed
for phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells
and whistles that nobody seems to want).

None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

Note--if you like the starfield screen saver, be sure to grab a copy
of it--it works fine with Windows 10 but doesn't come with it.

Starfield screen saver, never heard of. Who wrote it, where is
it to be found?

What I have on my electronic desktop is the last calendar page
SSG made for LotRO, before they had to economize some more: it's
a view of a celebration with lots of fireworks, as Gandalf and an
Elf and a lot of Hobbits look on. But I don't have a screen
saver; I never thought I needed one on this machine.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

J. Clarke

2020-02-20 04:03:15 UTC

Post by J. Clarke

In article

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10? And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?
I am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards,
and I don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the
like.

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Okay ... but what adjustments does the non-techie (e.g., me)
have to make in order to use Win 10?

The start menu looks different, and you may have to manually pin
icons to it for stuff you use a lot.

All the things I have
heard about it are horrible (not only its having been designed
for phones and touchscreens, but its general overload of bells
and whistles that nobody seems to want).

None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

Note--if you like the starfield screen saver, be sure to grab a copy
of it--it works fine with Windows 10 but doesn't come with it.

Starfield screen saver, never heard of. Who wrote it, where is
it to be found?

Drat--if you're on Windows 7 it's already too late--I thought it was
still there. It was standard on Windows prior to 7. Just go to
screensavers and it's right there in the list on versions of Windows
that have it. It's pretty simple, just a field of stars coming from a
radiant, so it looks like you're on a starship. You can adjust the
number of stars and how fast they move.

If you have an older version of Windows it will be in
C:\Windows\System32\ssstars.scr. All you have to do is copy it into
that folder on the newer Windows (if 32-bit) or into
C:\Windows\SysWOW64 on 64-bit Windows, and reboot and it should be
right there in your list of screensavers.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
What I have on my electronic desktop is the last calendar page
SSG made for LotRO, before they had to economize some more: it's
a view of a celebration with lots of fireworks, as Gandalf and an
Elf and a lot of Hobbits look on. But I don't have a screen
saver; I never thought I needed one on this machine.

Quadibloc

2020-02-20 04:43:44 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

I know that I haven't had too much trouble using Windows 10 instead of Windows
7. The Start Menu includes a little patch of the interface formerly known as
Metro from Windows 8 to the right, and its scroll bar is a tiny line until you
mouse over it, but otherwise it's little different from Windows 7.

One gotcha, though, is if you use the Command Prompt: originally, you could get
it from the normal menu, but now you have to right-click on the Start button to
get an extra menu that it's on. And it won't even be on _that_ menu until you
change an option to switch from Power Shell to the Command Prompt. (Sadly, there
doesn't seem to be an option to keep _both_ of them available.)

John Savard

J. Clarke

2020-02-20 04:57:43 UTC

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:43:44 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

I know that I haven't had too much trouble using Windows 10 instead of Windows
7. The Start Menu includes a little patch of the interface formerly known as
Metro from Windows 8 to the right, and its scroll bar is a tiny line until you
mouse over it, but otherwise it's little different from Windows 7.
One gotcha, though, is if you use the Command Prompt: originally, you could get
it from the normal menu, but now you have to right-click on the Start button to
get an extra menu that it's on. And it won't even be on _that_ menu until you
change an option to switch from Power Shell to the Command Prompt. (Sadly, there
doesn't seem to be an option to keep _both_ of them available.)

Go to the search icon in the lower left. CMD. You'll see "Command
Prompt". Right click on it and set "Pin to Start" or "Pin to Taskbar"
or both. Do the same for Powershell.

Post by Quadibloc
John Savard

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-20 05:04:34 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
None of which interfere with using it the way you've always used
Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

I never got near Win8, never heard of Metro. Do I need to google
it and find out what awaits me when I finally give in and get
Win10?

Post by Quadibloc
One gotcha, though, is if you use the Command Prompt: originally, you could get
it from the normal menu, but now you have to right-click on the Start button to
get an extra menu that it's on. And it won't even be on _that_ menu until you
change an option to switch from Power Shell to the Command Prompt. (Sadly, there
doesn't seem to be an option to keep _both_ of them available.)

I do use the command prompt occasionally; Hal uses it more often
than that. He can probably figure out a workaround.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-20 15:34:57 UTC

In article

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
None of which interfere with using it the way you've always
used Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

I never got near Win8, never heard of Metro.

Metro is what Microsoft calls the program interface designed for
tablets.

Do I need to
google it and find out what awaits me when I finally give in and
get Win10?

There isn't much in Win10 that is *only* Metro. Certainly nothing
you're likely to use regularly.

And the mouse still works fine.

Post by Quadibloc
originally, you could get it from the normal menu, but now you
have to right-click on the Start button to get an extra menu
that it's on. And it won't even be on _that_ menu until you
change an option to switch from Power Shell to the Command
Prompt. (Sadly, there
doesn't seem to be an option to keep _both_ of them available.)

I do use the command prompt occasionally; Hal uses it more often
than that. He can probably figure out a workaround.

Windows key-->cmd-->Enter.

Just like pretty much every previous version.

(Right-click on the icon that shows up when you type in cmd if you
nee to Run as Administrator, but that, too, it just like previous
versions.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc

2020-02-20 18:10:41 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I never got near Win8, never heard of Metro. Do I need to google
it and find out what awaits me when I finally give in and get
Win10?

Not really. But I'm still surprised, since I thought you knew enough about them
for that to be the source of your trepidation concerning Windows 10.

The stuff that was brought in with Windows 8, which is still hanging around
enough to be visible (but not enough to be a serious problem) in Windows 10 is
this:

When you started up Windows 8, you didn't see the Windows desktop at all. You
had to click on an icon to choose "desktop" to get the desktop. What you saw
instead was a blue screen with colored squares on it, these colored squares were
for a special category of Windows programs.

These special programs were... something like most Android programs. They
weren't in machine code, but instead some kind of P-code or bytecode, so that
the simulator program that ran them could more strictly guard against security
flaws than the plain hardware of the processor chip could.

This interface of squares was originally called "Metro", but Microsoft had to
abandon that name for trademark reasons.

These special programs are found on Microsoft's App Store, again for better
security.

On Windows 10, though, they don't get in the way of your desktop. But when you
use the Start Menu, there will be a rectangle to the side of the menu which has
those squares in them, but not covering the full screen.

John Savard

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-20 19:36:59 UTC

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I never got near Win8, never heard of Metro. Do I need to google
it and find out what awaits me when I finally give in and get
Win10?

Not really. But I'm still surprised, since I thought you knew enough about them
for that to be the source of your trepidation concerning Windows 10.
The stuff that was brought in with Windows 8, which is still hanging around
enough to be visible (but not enough to be a serious problem) in Windows 10 is
When you started up Windows 8, you didn't see the Windows desktop at all. You
had to click on an icon to choose "desktop" to get the desktop. What you saw
instead was a blue screen with colored squares on it, these colored squares were
for a special category of Windows programs.
These special programs were... something like most Android programs. They
weren't in machine code, but instead some kind of P-code or bytecode, so that
the simulator program that ran them could more strictly guard against security
flaws than the plain hardware of the processor chip could.
This interface of squares was originally called "Metro", but Microsoft had to
abandon that name for trademark reasons.
These special programs are found on Microsoft's App Store, again for better
security.
On Windows 10, though, they don't get in the way of your desktop. But when you
use the Start Menu, there will be a rectangle to the side of the menu which has
those squares in them, but not covering the full screen.

My trepidation about Win10 derived from all the dreadful things
new users thereof were saying about it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-20 15:32:32 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
None of which interfere with using it the way you've always
used Windows, other than stuff's in a different place.

Okay; I hope you're right.

Note that you do not have to mouse over the scroll bar for the scroll
wheel on the moust to work on the menu.

Post by Quadibloc
originally, you could get it from the normal menu, but now you
have to right-click on the Start button to get an extra menu
that it's on. And it won't even be on _that_ menu until you
change an option to switch from Power Shell to the Command
Prompt. (Sadly, there doesn't seem to be an option to keep
_both_ of them available.)

Or you could, you know, hit the Windows key, type in "cmd" and hit
Enter.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc

2020-02-20 18:13:07 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or you could, you know, hit the Windows key, type in "cmd" and hit
Enter.

My original Model M (not the revival from Unicomp) doesn't _have_ one of those.
(Maybe Microsoft offers something I can do with the Alt key as an alternative,
though, I'll have to check.)

John Savard

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-20 18:05:11 UTC

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:32:36 AM UTC-7, Jibini Kula

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or you could, you know, hit the Windows key, type in "cmd" and
hit Enter.

My original Model M (not the revival from Unicomp) doesn't
_have_ one of those. (Maybe Microsoft offers something I can do
with the Alt key as an alternative, though, I'll have to check.)

The click on the start menu and type in the search box.

This really isn't all that complicated.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc

2020-02-20 18:17:12 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or you could, you know, hit the Windows key, type in "cmd" and hit
Enter.

Although Ctrl-Esc brings up the Start Menu, it doesn't substitute for the Windows
key otherwise. I suppose there's third-party software to press Scroll Lock, say,
into service for this.

John Savard

Jaimie Vandenbergh

2020-02-19 17:40:32 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

Not a lot. It looks a bit different, but as long as you're not someone who has
to dumpster-dive into the system prefs (which are a bit of a mess) regularly
you won't really notice a lot of functional differences. And as above, it's
loads better than 8.

It has slightly better typeface rendering than prior Windowses.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
"It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize
that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder
on a government contract." -- Alan Shepard

Paul S Person

2020-02-19 17:56:03 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

As to the "bells and whistles which nobocy seems to want": how far
back would you have to go to find a version of Windows that /didn't/
do that?

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Alan Baker

2020-02-19 18:01:43 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

As to the "bells and whistles which nobocy seems to want": how far
back would you have to go to find a version of Windows that /didn't/
do that?

"Bells and whistles that nobody wants" are a "feature" of every software
upgrade (almost) for the last 30 years.

;-)

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-02-19 18:09:26 UTC

Windows 10 isn't as bad as Windows 8 or 8.1 in that respect. It can basically be
used with a keyboard and mouse just like the earlier versions.

As to the "bells and whistles which nobocy seems to want": how far
back would you have to go to find a version of Windows that /didn't/
do that?

Before its first release, yeah. But I've gotten used to ignoring
the random b&w on Win7. Again, old dogs, new tricks.

I'm going to have to do it eventually, aren't I?

/profond souspir

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 16:16:18 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will
involve a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7
deployment", which goes to show how my reading systems batches
words across multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had
widened in surprise I got the sequence right.

So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10?

Nothing else makes sense if we're replacing hardware (which we
are, in those cases). 8.1 only has five more years of support, and
you have to jump through considerable hoops to order brand new
computers with it.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?

There aren't any that interfere with our usage. If there were,
I'll be setting them up, and they can be turned off. In my
experience (which is several years now), on a desktop, anything
that's specific to touchscreens is off by default anyway, unless,
perhaps, if it's ordered with a touch screen (and would thus be
configured for it by the manufacturer).

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I
am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards, and I
don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the like.

We have cashiers who would *love* to have touchscreens (which work
well on cash registers, if the software is designed right), but
they cost several times as much, and we're not replacing monitors
anyway.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person

2020-02-19 17:58:55 UTC

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:16:18 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will
involve a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7
deployment", which goes to show how my reading systems batches
words across multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had
widened in surprise I got the sequence right.

So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10?

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I
am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards, and I
don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the like.

And if the target areas are actually aligned with the images shown.

I use touch screens with ATMs and Red Box and, wow, have I had
problems figuring out just where to touch to actually get what I want.

Not all the time, of course. Just every so often.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 21:42:04 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:16:18 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will
involve a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7
deployment", which goes to show how my reading systems
batches words across multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes
had widened in surprise I got the sequence right.

So, what are you going to be installing instead of Win 7? Win
10?

Nothing else makes sense if we're replacing hardware (which we
are, in those cases). 8.1 only has five more years of support,
and you have to jump through considerable hoops to order brand
new computers with it.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And can you provide any advice for avoiding the features
that assume you're using a tablet or a touchscreen or a phone?

There aren't any that interfere with our usage. If there were,
I'll be setting them up, and they can be turned off. In my
experience (which is several years now), on a desktop, anything
that's specific to touchscreens is off by default anyway,
unless, perhaps, if it's ordered with a touch screen (and would
thus be configured for it by the manufacturer).

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I
am old, and I learned my skills on typewriter keyboards, and I
don't want to have to know about touchscreens and the like.

And if the target areas are actually aligned with the images
shown.

Yeah, there's that, too. We have laser guns to print labels where
that's one of the failure modes. I'd be more concerned with the
software itself, though, because the vendor is very, very
conservative in feature udpates, so their touch screen interface is
probably state of the art from about 2005.

Post by Paul S Person
I use touch screens with ATMs and Red Box and, wow, have I had
problems figuring out just where to touch to actually get what I want.
Not all the time, of course. Just every so often.

That's not really Windows fault, though. At least, not Windows 10.
(I've heard that a lot of ATMs still run on XP.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person

2020-02-19 17:54:16 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment",
which goes to show how my reading systems batches words across
multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had widened in surprise I
got the sequence right.

I replaced my XP computer with a new desktop machine running 8.1, and
then upgraded to 10. Windows 10 isn't all that different from earlier
versions on a computer (as opposed to a "device", ie, toy).

There are some programs that have been replaced by "Apps", but even
those (well, the ones I use) respond to mouse and keyboard; they just
look funny.

The programs that came with the scanner, OTOH, are pretty much
rodent-dependent. But that has nothing to do with the OS.

My laptop came with Win 10 installed. It has no touchscreen and so
uses touchpad/mouse (USB ports!) and keyboard.

My guess is that it will detect the absence of a keyboard and
automatically set itself up to use pointer and keyboard.

Moving from one "release" to the next is very smooth, but you may want
to take precautions (full backup, list of things to reinstall) just in
case when moving to Win10 the first time.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Alan Baker

2020-02-19 18:00:29 UTC

Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
On 17 Feb 2020 at 19:53:42 GMT, "Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by Lynn McGuire
Dude, it is so good to have you back !

Don't get used to it. Another few days and I'll be up to my
ears in new computers for Win7 replacement, which will involve
a fair bit of travel to deploy.

Skimming slightly too fast I misread that as "Win7 deployment",
which goes to show how my reading systems batches words across
multiple lines I suppose. Once my eyes had widened in surprise I
got the sequence right.

I replaced my XP computer with a new desktop machine running 8.1, and
then upgraded to 10. Windows 10 isn't all that different from earlier
versions on a computer (as opposed to a "device", ie, toy).
There are some programs that have been replaced by "Apps", but even
those (well, the ones I use) respond to mouse and keyboard; they just
look funny.
The programs that came with the scanner, OTOH, are pretty much
rodent-dependent. But that has nothing to do with the OS.
My laptop came with Win 10 installed. It has no touchscreen and so
uses touchpad/mouse (USB ports!) and keyboard.
My guess is that it will detect the absence of a keyboard and
automatically set itself up to use pointer and keyboard.
Moving from one "release" to the next is very smooth, but you may want
to take precautions (full backup, list of things to reinstall) just in
case when moving to Win10 the first time.

The biggest issue remaining in Windows 10 (aside for the already
mentioned silliness of the "apps" using the Metro interface) is, IMO,
the fact that you have both the Control Panel AND the Settings "app" as
well...

...and that to do certain kinds of configuration you have to USE both.

Then there is the insistence on trying to connect one's device to an
Azure directory when doing something as simple as setting up Office 365
email...

...but this could easily turn into the Spanish Inquisition sketch.

;-)

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-19 21:39:34 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
My guess is that it will detect the absence of a keyboard and
automatically set itself up to use pointer and keyboard.

Generally speaking, yes. But you can toggle the settings. (There's an
on-screen keyboard if you have a touch screen or a mouse.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person

2020-02-20 17:54:38 UTC

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:39:34 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Paul S Person
My guess is that it will detect the absence of a keyboard and
automatically set itself up to use pointer and keyboard.

Generally speaking, yes. But you can toggle the settings. (There's an
on-screen keyboard if you have a touch screen or a mouse.)

Oh, dear.

The first use of "keyboard" above /should/ have been "touch screen".

Hopefully, that clarifies my intended point a bit.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Robert Carnegie

2020-02-17 22:11:02 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to
be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china
-by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel
-de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want their
real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?

But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-refus
ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News. Which
is to say, it's not.
--
Terry Austin
Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 21:34:40 UTC

On Monday, 17 February 2020 19:03:33 UTC, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much
poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-ch
ina -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3
or 4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is
down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-st
eel -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?
But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Which is one of the many potential reasons I mentioned.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-17 22:51:59 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it to
be higher, as they don't want to become a much poorer
Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males, after
killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-china
-by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3 or 4
babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-steel
-de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want their
real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?
But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-refus
ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

I am fairly sure that there is zero editorial touch at Zero Hedge.

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 22:27:32 UTC

On Monday, 17 February 2020 19:03:33 UTC, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much
poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-ch
ina -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3
or 4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is
down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-st
eel -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?
But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-re
fus ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox News.
Which is to say, it's not.
--
Terry Austin
Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United
States illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest
border.)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

I am fairly sure that there is zero editorial touch at Zero
Hedge.

We're back to "Get psychiatric help. You're hallucinating."

They're loons.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lynn McGuire

2020-02-18 00:00:14 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

On 2/14/2020 4:57 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth in
China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR is
currently around 1.6, and they would very much like it
to be higher, as they don't want to become a much
poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut the
population growth and balanced the horrible male to female
ratio in China (many females will die also due to bad
targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-ch
ina -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3
or 4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-st
eel -de mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is just
gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not want
their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?
But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-re
fus ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

I am fairly sure that there is zero editorial touch at Zero
Hedge.

We're back to "Get psychiatric help. You're hallucinating."
They're loons.

What do you expect for the Wild, Wild, West of the Intertubes ?

I don't trust anyone on the intertubes except for:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/

Lynn

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2020-02-17 23:33:03 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:23:35 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
China has several long term goals. One is to pacify
Taiwan and another is to cut the population growth
in China. They can get a twofer out of the wuflu.

Uh, you're kinda behind the times there. China's TFR
is currently around 1.6, and they would very much
like it to be higher, as they don't want to become a
much poorer Japan.
Taiwan is still current, of course.

TFR ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

If you release a disease targeted towards Asian males,
after killing 200 to 400 million of them, you have cut
the population growth and balanced the horrible male to
female ratio in China (many females will die also due to
bad targeting).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251129/population-in-
ch ina -by -gender/
And then the women can go back to having an average of 3
or 4 babies. If, you can talk them into it.
BTW, China is dying. Coal usage for power generation is down 50%.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-disintegrating-
st eel -de
mand-property-sales-traffic-all-approaching-zero

Is "zerohedge" a reliable source for anything or it is
just gloom-gloom-kerdoom?

There are many reasons why alleged journalists would not
want their real name attached to their words.
Most of them do not say good things about said journalist's
credibility.

Or did Lynn mean "journalists who don't want their
name attached to Zero Hedge"?
But who crave an editorial light-touch regulatory regime.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senator-cotton-china-
re fus ing-hand-over-evidence-about-wuhan-biolab

The site is still about as credible as CNN, NYT, or Fox
News. Which is to say, it's not.
--
Terry Austin
Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United
States illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest
border.)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

I am fairly sure that there is zero editorial touch at Zero
Hedge.

We're back to "Get psychiatric help. You're hallucinating."
They're loons.

What do you expect for the Wild, Wild, West of the Intertubes ?

For web sites to be loons, and for gullible idiots to take them
seriously. I'm never disappointed.

Post by Lynn McGuire
https://wattsupwiththat.com/

You sure do argue a lot about shit you pretend you don't take
seriously.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

David Johnston

2020-02-17 05:00:00 UTC

As far as Wuhan 400 goes, it's characteristics are:

1. It only affects human beings.

2. It can't survive outside the human body for longer than a minute.

3. It dies within the human body as soon at body drops below 86 F

4. It has an impossibly fast incubation period with the victim becoming
infectious in turn in only four hours.

5. It has 100% mortality within 24 hours. With one exception who
develops psychic powers.

6. It kills by attacking brain tissue.

7. The "outbreak" only kills a schoolbus full of kids on a field trip.
And it only kills them because for some reason the researchers were too
stupid to try cryotherapy.

Covid-19 has none of those characteristics. The only points of
similarity are "it's a disease and the city of Wuhan was mentioned in
connection to it" In fact even though Koontz describes Wuhan 400 as a
virus it's extreme fragility to temperature variation is way more
appropriate for a bacterium.

Robert Carnegie

2020-02-17 10:00:20 UTC