2nd Season Dr. Who - The Satan Pit - 5 star poll

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:24:03 GMT, Captain Infinity

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)

I liked it.
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Captain Infinity

Me too.

Cheers,

Jaime

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2006-12-02 03:25:37 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

Somewhere around a three. It did not hold my attention the way the
first part did.

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2006-12-02 04:18:05 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

I seem to be in the minority who preferred it to the first half - the
ending was a bit of a stretch, but can be explained when we know that:

1. The TARDIS landed very near the area the team was drilling down to
(i.e. the Pit), as the Doctor mentions in the first half.

2. The crevasse the earthquake opened was presumably accessible from
the Pit - bear in mind that it's only after the earthquake that the
Beast was able to send his spirit to mess around with the station
(we've been told the team had been there two years by that point,
presumably with no Beast). So the earthquake seems to have given him a
way out of his prison before the seal was opened; it would also have
given a falling TARDIS a way in.

3. We don't know quite how far the Doctor was from the Pit when he
bumped into the TARDIS, but we do know he'd just left it - it's not
wholly impossible that the TARDIS was down an earthquake-opened side
corridor.

Though having said all of this, it could have been done more cleverly.
The Doctor knew that the TARDIS would be nearby, so why doesn't he
apparently think of this rather than lucking out? We also know the
TARDIS key lights up when the TARDIS is near - could he have thought to
use it as a compass to find his ship?

Other than that, I liked the Doctor/Ida interaction and the faster pace
of the story. The only real low point was the fact that the ventilation
tunnel run was such a cliche, but then you don't watch Doctor Who for
incredibly original storytelling, and I did like Rose's "Who's idea was
that?" line. Zack gets an opportunity to use some initiative as well.
And was that a hint at the end that we'll be seeing these characters
again? How often does the Doctor tell a story's supporting cast member
he hopes to see them again? And Danny's muttering at the end - just
relief, or a possible indication that the Beast has taken up residence
in him (Toby muttered a fair bit too)? Bear in mind the prophecy - "You
will die, and I will live". Okay, the Beast also prophesied "You will
all die here", but that can be taken as an attempt to rattle them since
it seems he planned all along to leave the planet using one of them as
a host (plus it's inconsistent with his next line that Rose would die
in battle anyway), but we're supposed to take at least part of the
other line as prophetic. Which suggests the other part may be as well,
and that we could be seeing the Beast again.

4/5

Phil

2016-09-22 03:27:05 UTC

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Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

I seem to be in the minority who preferred it to the first half - the
1. The TARDIS landed very near the area the team was drilling down to
(i.e. the Pit), as the Doctor mentions in the first half.
2. The crevasse the earthquake opened was presumably accessible from
the Pit - bear in mind that it's only after the earthquake that the
Beast was able to send his spirit to mess around with the station
(we've been told the team had been there two years by that point,
presumably with no Beast). So the earthquake seems to have given him a
way out of his prison before the seal was opened; it would also have
given a falling TARDIS a way in.
3. We don't know quite how far the Doctor was from the Pit when he
bumped into the TARDIS, but we do know he'd just left it - it's not
wholly impossible that the TARDIS was down an earthquake-opened side
corridor.
Though having said all of this, it could have been done more cleverly.
The Doctor knew that the TARDIS would be nearby, so why doesn't he
apparently think of this rather than lucking out? We also know the
TARDIS key lights up when the TARDIS is near - could he have thought to
use it as a compass to find his ship?

Why hasn't the Doctor long since developed a means of calling the TARDIS to him? Its an obvious safety measure!

Deke

2006-12-02 04:21:58 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

1.5 (yawn)

Teh Wraith O Smeg

2006-12-02 08:44:50 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

Another +5 star effort in my view, gosh, I hope this keeps up!

Bloody fantastic!

-Wraith-
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-Wraith- out of five
The Christmas Invasion ****
New Earth **
Tooth And Claw *****
Slut In The Fireplace **
Rise of the Wannabe Cybermen **
Age of Boredom **
The Idiot's Lantern ***
The Impossible Planet More than 5
The Satan Pit More than 5

David B

2006-12-02 08:45:35 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

2.0, worst episode of this and last season. I was so bored I kept
nodding off. Part one was so good.

Teh Wraith O Smeg

2006-12-02 11:25:11 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

Some grand writing.

From the Doctor: "It's that feeling you get... That strange little
impulse... That mad little voice saying, 'Go on, go on, go on!'"

Rose: "Doctor, is there such a thing? Is it real?" (re: Satan)

Doctor: "If you are the Beast, answer me, which one? Cuz the universe has
been busy since you've been gone" Very Doctory delivery to the whole line.
DT RULES as the Doctor. Positively. LOVE IT!

Danny: "But that's how the devil works!"
Doctor: "Or a good psychologist!"

So much great stuff in this episode. I love it.

I am such a geek.
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The Christmas Invasion ****
New Earth **
Tooth And Claw *****
Slut In The Fireplace **
Rise of the Wannabe Cybermen **
Age of Boredom **
The Idiot's Lantern ***
The Impossible Planet +5 out of 5
The Satan Pit +5 out of 5

US 71

2006-12-02 16:09:30 UTC

2 Stars:

I missed the first half, so it was hard to keep up with the 2nd half.

a***@yahoo.com

2006-12-02 19:35:55 UTC

I rank this two parter as some of the best ever Dr.Who stories.. I only
have TWO minor complaints about the script:

1) How easily he found the TARDIS. I mean, I could have accepted it
being down there and him finding it, except it wasn't even laying on
its side and didn't even have any rubble around it. I would have
accepted it better had it been tilted over like we saw in Castrovalva
half-covered in dirt or rubble.. but to just be standing there as if it
has materialized there, I found hard to believe.

2) The doctor falls, but survives due to an "air cushion?" What is
that supposed to mean? I really liked the little speech about having
faith before he let go of the rope. I mean, it was a hard decision to
make. Of course he knew he'd die anyway because he'd run out of air in
his suit and there was no way back up. But it was still a hard choice
to make, possibly dying sooner and of a more horrible death than slowly
falling asleep due to lack of oxygen. But I thought it was a stupid
way to end that scene with him being saved by an "air cushion." Lets
face it, in a normal gravity environment, terminal velocity is plenty
high enough to kill somebody (if you don't believe me, go jump out of
an airplane) And one might say that since it was the center of the
planet, that gravity wasn't normal. This is clearly dispelled by the
fact that he was walking normal, and the rocks he was lifting seemed
quite heavy. And even had the gravity been less, then the air-pressure
would be less too (what makes air pressure, if not gravity?) so it
wouldn't have mattered. And even if the fall were miles, and there
were NO gravity in the center, he would have still had enough momentum
he would have splatted.

So how would I have done the scene? I would have had him fall 30 feet
as he mentioned.. he couldn't see the bottom, but it might only be 30
feet away. If gravity was slightly less than earth norm, 30 feet would
be survivable with no injuries.

Beyond these two issues, I thought the rest of the script was great.

Captain Infinity

2006-12-02 22:06:28 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I rank this two parter as some of the best ever Dr.Who stories.. I only
1) How easily he found the TARDIS.
2) The doctor falls, but survives due to an "air cushion?" What is
that supposed to mean?

Both of those bugged me as well, but what really set off my BS detector
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode. Last we saw, she was inside a spaceship being towed by the
TARDIS at a considerable distance. I can only assume that she "swam"
across interstellar space (without a spacesuit, of course) to get to the
outside of the TARDIS, and then walked inside. Yup, that's gotta be it.

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BTR1701

2006-12-02 23:05:12 UTC

I was under the impression that once the TARDIS towed the rocket safely
out of the gravity well, the Doctor rematerialized it inside the
rocket's cargo hold.

That's why after the scene with Rose, it switches back to the rocket's
cockpit and one of the crew describes it to the captain, "It was just a
big blue box, right down there in the hold."

Captain Infinity

2006-12-02 23:26:31 UTC

Post by BTR1701

Post by Captain Infinity
what really set off my BS detector
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode. Last we saw, she was inside a spaceship being towed by the
TARDIS at a considerable distance. I can only assume that she "swam"
across interstellar space (without a spacesuit, of course) to get to the
outside of the TARDIS, and then walked inside. Yup, that's gotta be it.

I was under the impression that once the TARDIS towed the rocket safely
out of the gravity well, the Doctor rematerialized it inside the
rocket's cargo hold.
That's why after the scene with Rose, it switches back to the rocket's
cockpit and one of the crew describes it to the captain, "It was just a
big blue box, right down there in the hold."

Ah, that'll work, thanks.

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Captain Infinity

Teh Wraith O Smeg

2006-12-03 00:18:02 UTC

"Captain Infinity" <***@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

what really set off my BS detector

Post by Captain Infinity
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode. Last we saw, she was inside a spaceship being towed by the
TARDIS at a considerable distance. I can only assume that she "swam"
across interstellar space (without a spacesuit, of course) to get to the
outside of the TARDIS, and then walked inside. Yup, that's gotta be it.

<Doctor Who Continuity Geek Mode>
I reference "Horns of Nimon" part one, in which the Doctor visibly
demonstrates that the TARDIS can, in fact, do this. With Romana. And K9.
:D
</Doctor Who Continuity Geek Mode>

Post by Captain Infinity
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Nick Xylas

2006-12-03 12:29:55 UTC

Both of those bugged me as well, but what really set off my BS detector
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode.

Also, when Rose shot out the window of the spaceship with the bolt gun,
wouldn't those inside all have died within seconds, seatbelt or no
seatbelt.

Victor Velazquez

2006-12-03 20:30:15 UTC

Post by Nick Xylas

Both of those bugged me as well, but what really set off my BS detector
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode.

Also, when Rose shot out the window of the spaceship with the bolt gun,
wouldn't those inside all have died within seconds, seatbelt or no
seatbelt.

How many seconds passed until the "safety shield" closed? Apparently, you
have ~90 seconds in a total vacuum.

http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html

The answer is that they probably would not suffer many ill-effects,
especially since they weren't actually in a vacuum but seemed to be merely
undergoing rapid decompression.

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2006-12-04 14:37:52 UTC

Post by Victor Velazquez

Post by Nick Xylas

Both of those bugged me as well, but what really set off my BS detector
was Rose walking in the front door of the TARDIS at the end of the
episode.

Also, when Rose shot out the window of the spaceship with the bolt gun,
wouldn't those inside all have died within seconds, seatbelt or no
seatbelt.

How many seconds passed until the "safety shield" closed? Apparently, you
have ~90 seconds in a total vacuum.
http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html
The answer is that they probably would not suffer many ill-effects,
especially since they weren't actually in a vacuum but seemed to be merely
undergoing rapid decompression.

The question, of course, is how Rose knew they had a shield or some
other way of avoiding death once she blew the window. Okay, she might
have thought they'd die anyway because they were falling into a black
hole, but in that case she wouldn't actually have needed to blow Toby
out into space.

Re the TARDIS I would have liked at least some sign that the Doctor
remembered it was down there somewhere and had a plan of sorts - the
whole thing about him wandering into situations and getting lucky has
been overplayed. I said in a thread on The Impossible Planet that this
team seems not to grasp the point of cliffhangers - it's not to make us
wonder *whether* the heroes will get out of it, but to wonder *how*
they do. And as such an unanswered "they just got lucky" really doesn't
satisfy. When the TARDIS fell down the hole in TIP, where was the
tension? Was it in wondering if the Doctor would get it back? Of course
not; we know a writer won't get away with something as significant to
the format as having to replace the TARDIS, and won't get away with
losing it unless there's a way it can be brought back in either that or
another story in the arc. We also knew he'd have to go into the pit to
find it, simply because we knew it would be nearby and any plot that
makes a hole in the ground such a big thing demands that the Doctor go
into said hole and confront what's there; the Doctor Who fomula has
never valued unpredictability. But if we are told week after week to
wait for the next story or for the end of the episode to find out how
the Doctor escapes from the latest impossible situation, and the answer
is always "He just does", the series will start haemorraging viewers
fairly quickly, because what's the point of watching? We know the story
- Doctor meets monster, Doctor fights monstor, Doctor beats monster.
It's always the same story, just as James Bond or the A-Team is always
the same story. It would be nice to feel more often that there's
something more to the stories than simply going from 1 to 2 to 3 by
rote, with how he gets from 1 to 2 to 3 being a lesser concern. The
sheer predictability of the format requires that conclusions and
cliffhangers at least inject some tension.

Phil

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2006-12-04 18:01:52 UTC

Post by Nick Xylas
Also, when Rose shot out the window of the spaceship with the bolt gun,
wouldn't those inside all have died within seconds, seatbelt or no
seatbelt.

I don't remember the exact number, but somebody's space program once did
the experiment, and you have some seconds (I want to say ten or so) of
useful consciousness before dying in vacuum. Plenty of time to slam an
emergency shutter closed. *

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2006-12-09 13:20:21 UTC

Post by Nick Xylas
Also, when Rose shot out the window of the spaceship with the bolt gun,
wouldn't those inside all have died within seconds, seatbelt or no
seatbelt.

If you were thrown into the vacuum of space with no space suit, would
you explode?
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2006-12-03 01:42:48 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I rank this two parter as some of the best ever Dr.Who stories.. I only
1) How easily he found the TARDIS. I mean, I could have accepted it
being down there and him finding it, except it wasn't even laying on
its side and didn't even have any rubble around it. I would have
accepted it better had it been tilted over like we saw in Castrovalva
half-covered in dirt or rubble.. but to just be standing there as if it
has materialized there, I found hard to believe.

The TARDIS is a bad-ass machine. You don't fuck with the TARDIS. If the
TARDIS wants to fall thousands of feet into a dark pit where Satan calls
home and come out smelling like a rose then it can do so and there is
nothing you or Satan can say to make it change its mind.

Post by a***@yahoo.com
2) The doctor falls, but survives due to an "air cushion?" What is
that supposed to mean? I really liked the little speech about having
faith before he let go of the rope. I mean, it was a hard decision to
make. Of course he knew he'd die anyway because he'd run out of air in
his suit and there was no way back up. But it was still a hard choice
to make, possibly dying sooner and of a more horrible death than slowly
falling asleep due to lack of oxygen. But I thought it was a stupid
way to end that scene with him being saved by an "air cushion." Lets
face it, in a normal gravity environment, terminal velocity is plenty
high enough to kill somebody (if you don't believe me, go jump out of
an airplane) And one might say that since it was the center of the
planet, that gravity wasn't normal. This is clearly dispelled by the
fact that he was walking normal, and the rocks he was lifting seemed
quite heavy. And even had the gravity been less, then the air-pressure
would be less too (what makes air pressure, if not gravity?) so it
wouldn't have mattered. And even if the fall were miles, and there
were NO gravity in the center, he would have still had enough momentum
he would have splatted.
So how would I have done the scene? I would have had him fall 30 feet
as he mentioned.. he couldn't see the bottom, but it might only be 30
feet away. If gravity was slightly less than earth norm, 30 feet would
be survivable with no injuries.
Beyond these two issues, I thought the rest of the script was great.

2016-09-22 03:33:32 UTC

If the TARDIS is that bad-ass, then why can't it routinely come charging to the Doctor's rescue by materializing around him at his signal?

Tim Bruening

2017-01-16 03:54:36 UTC

The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and deep crack in the ground.

The Doctor

2017-01-16 16:06:16 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

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Tim Bruening

2017-03-20 15:14:34 UTC

One of the characters claims that he represents the Torchwood Achieves! How weird that Torchwood should pop up!

The Devil of all religions is chained up in the pit. He claims that the disciples of the New Light did the chaining. The Devil claims that he has been in the pit since before the start of the universe! This means that the New Lighters have time travel!

The Doctor

2017-03-20 20:01:24 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
One of the characters claims that he represents the Torchwood Achieves!
How weird that Torchwood should pop up!
The Devil of all religions is chained up in the pit. He claims that the
disciples of the New Light did the chaining. The Devil claims that he
has been in the pit since before the start of the universe! This means
that the New Lighters have time travel!

Oh! Hell!!

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Tim Bruening

2017-03-20 15:15:29 UTC

Why can't the TARDIS translation circuits translate the alien letters?

The Doctor

2017-03-20 20:01:39 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Why can't the TARDIS translation circuits translate the alien letters?

Script is too ancient.

Tim Bruening

2017-06-22 13:04:15 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Why can't the TARDIS translation circuits translate the alien letters?

Script is too ancient.

Can't the TARDIS translation circuits read the mind of that guy who was taken over?

The Doctor

2017-06-22 19:19:43 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Why can't the TARDIS translation circuits translate the alien letters?

Script is too ancient.

Can't the TARDIS translation circuits read the mind of that guy who was taken over?

Doubt that.

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Tim Bruening

2017-09-19 13:58:23 UTC

At the end, the Doctor finds his TARDIS and rescues a station crew woman. But he only had time for one trip, so couldn't save the Ood. Why couldn't he just hop back in time a smidge to save he Ood?

The Doctor

2017-09-19 23:21:00 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
At the end, the Doctor finds his TARDIS and rescues a station crew
woman. But he only had time for one trip, so couldn't save the Ood.
Why couldn't he just hop back in time a smidge to save he Ood?

Oodly enough

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Tim Bruening

2017-09-20 09:55:40 UTC

Oodly enough

Is my question Ood?

The Doctor

2017-09-20 13:29:56 UTC

Oodly enough

Is my question Ood?

Yes

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Tim Bruening

2017-09-23 22:14:11 UTC

The Doctor was amazingly lucky to find his TARDIS!

The Doctor

2017-09-23 23:48:19 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor was amazingly lucky to find his TARDIS!

And pulls it off.

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2017-09-24 11:17:20 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor was amazingly lucky to find his TARDIS!

And pulls it off.

What does he pull it off, idiot??

Daniel

Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 07:49:28 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

The Doctor

2018-03-12 15:35:05 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 18:44:05 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

I had assumed that the Doctor could rig his sonic to serve as "the something to summons the TARDIS with"!

The Doctor

2018-03-12 22:15:33 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

I had assumed that the Doctor could rig his sonic to serve as "the
something to summons the TARDIS with"!

I am trying to recall what device that is.

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2018-04-23 12:33:15 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

The Doctor

2018-04-23 15:20:38 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

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Daniel60

2018-04-24 12:54:29 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

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The Doctor

2018-04-24 14:57:43 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??
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YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-04-25 10:23:16 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??
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YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

TARDIS summoning device just a perk given to Doctor 2 by Time Lords for Season 6a?

Timothy Bruening

2018-04-25 13:54:31 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)

How is William Friedkin better than Renny Harlin?

The Doctor

2018-04-25 15:05:59 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)

How is William Friedkin better than Renny Harlin?

Who are they?

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The Doctor

2018-04-25 15:03:20 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a

large and

Post by Tim Bruening
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??
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YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

TARDIS summoning device just a perk given to Doctor 2 by Time Lords for Season 6a?

Could be.

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Daniel60

2018-04-25 12:04:11 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

"forget to quote" ... what, idiot?? Nowhere has "Some of us have
privileges" been mentioned in this tread, idiot!!

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The Doctor

2018-04-25 15:04:23 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

"forget to quote" ... what, idiot?? Nowhere has "Some of us have
privileges" been mentioned in this tread, idiot!!
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I refer to the 2 Doctors. The 2nd Doctor at the end.

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Daniel60

2018-04-26 12:30:03 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

"forget to quote" ... what, idiot?? Nowhere has "Some of us have
privileges" been mentioned in this tread, idiot!!

I refer to the 2 Doctors. The 2nd Doctor at the end.

I refer to *In this thread* idiot, not somewhere off in your fantasies!!

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Daniel60

2018-04-26 12:28:22 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

Where was I supposed to quote that FROM, idiot?? It's not in this thread!!

--
Daniel

The Doctor

2018-04-26 13:02:42 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

Where was I supposed to quote that FROM, idiot?? It's not in this thread!!
--
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The 2 Doctors.

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Daniel60

2018-04-26 13:46:35 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a large and
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

Where was I supposed to quote that FROM, idiot?? It's not in this thread!!

The 2 Doctors.

It's not mentioned in this thread, idiot, by anyone except *YOU* so how
does it answer Tim's question, idiot??

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The Doctor

2018-04-26 20:24:38 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor really needs a method of summoning the TARDIS to him on a
routine basis. In this episode, the TARDIS is missing down a

large and

Post by Tim Bruening
deep crack in the ground.

Do you recall The Two Doctors?

Does that episode establish a ban on summoning the TARDIS?

He had something to summons the TARDIS with.

Why don't Doctors after 2 have said device?

Note privileges.

What is that supposed to mean, idiot??

YOu forget te quote "Some of us have privileges'.

Where was I supposed to quote that FROM, idiot?? It's not in this thread!!

The 2 Doctors.

It's not mentioned in this thread, idiot, by anyone except *YOU* so how
does it answer Tim's question, idiot??
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Tim refers to remote control TARDIS

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Timothy Bruening

2018-02-15 03:24:30 UTC

Quotefile?

The Doctor

2018-02-15 13:40:00 UTC

Quotefile?

Maybe.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 07:43:24 UTC

Quotefile?

Maybe.

So have you decided whether or not it is part of your Quotefile?

Jack Bohn

2006-12-03 10:55:37 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I rank this two parter as some of the best ever Dr.Who stories.. I only
1) How easily he found the TARDIS.
2) The doctor falls, but survives due to an "air cushion?"

I gathered from his mutterings (although I could be
hallucinating) that the builders of the prison designed it to
safely conduct anyone (or anything) that got close enough into
The Presence. Apparently on the impression that there was nobody
working to free it, and anybody coming down would be trying to
prevent it escaping.

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I really liked the little speech about having
faith before he let go of the rope.

I must have missed the part about faith. The impression I
gathered was that even more than his love for Rose, even if he
might die, he has to KNOW! An interesting characterization of
the Doctor, and one to explore back and forth along his
regenerations.

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Teh Wraith O Smeg

2006-12-03 18:44:54 UTC

Post by Jack Bohn

Post by a***@yahoo.com
I really liked the little speech about having
faith before he let go of the rope.

Funny, that's what I got out of it too.

He seemed much more like "The Doctor" throughout than in any other stories
so far this series.

-Wraith-

*com (Dan Lanciani)

2006-12-03 21:05:03 UTC

In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@bright.net (Jack Bohn) writes:
| adric22 wrote:
|
| >I rank this two parter as some of the best ever Dr.Who stories.. I only
| >have TWO minor complaints about the script:
| >
| >1) How easily he found the TARDIS.

I know I was expecting him to find it at the bottom of the pit. :)

| >2) The doctor falls, but survives due to an "air cushion?"
|
| I gathered from his mutterings (although I could be
| hallucinating) that the builders of the prison designed it to
| safely conduct anyone (or anything) that got close enough into
| The Presence. Apparently on the impression that there was nobody
| working to free it, and anybody coming down would be trying to
| prevent it escaping.

I gathered the same thing. One does wonder if the prison was sophisticated
enough to determine the specific atmosphere requirements for anyone who
happened to jump in or if it the builders just assumed that all intelligent
life would breathe oxygen. :)

Two things that did bother me though:

-It took the Doctor way too long to realize that the beast was mindless.
I thought it was obvious almost immediately. A similar issue was Rose's
quick (and incorrect) determination that the possessed guy was "clean."

-If a Tardis can not only operate normally that close to a black hole
but even drag large objects while apparently leaving them in normal
space, why was the Doctor so surprised that a planet could be maintained
in orbit? This is independent of any real-world objections to the physics.
The Doctor seems unwilling to believe that anybody could have Timelord-like
technology even though he knows that there are far more powerful beings
wandering around. (And of course he already knew that his Tardis could
operate within a black hole, though he could argue that that had something
to do with Omega's influence.)

Dan Lanciani
***@danlan.*com

Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 07:58:36 UTC

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
-It took the Doctor way too long to realize that the beast was mindless.
I thought it was obvious almost immediately. A similar issue was Rose's
quick (and incorrect) determination that the possessed guy was "clean."
-If a Tardis can not only operate normally that close to a black hole
but even drag large objects while apparently leaving them in normal
space, why was the Doctor so surprised that a planet could be maintained
in orbit? This is independent of any real-world objections to the physics.
The Doctor seems unwilling to believe that anybody could have Timelord-like
technology even though he knows that there are far more powerful beings
wandering around. (And of course he already knew that his Tardis could
operate within a black hole, though he could argue that that had something
to do with Omega's influence.)

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Doctor

2018-03-12 15:37:53 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A
Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

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2018-03-13 08:47:08 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!

Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-13 11:55:43 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

CC ship falling into some other planet.

The Doctor

2018-03-13 15:19:43 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.
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How Dannyboy?

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Daniel60

2018-03-14 12:39:11 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

How Dannyboy?

What, idiot??

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-14 12:47:18 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

How Dannyboy?

What, idiot??

How would TARDIS get to ship before it enters atmosphere?

Daniel60

2018-03-14 14:04:25 UTC

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

How Dannyboy?

What, idiot??

How would TARDIS get to ship before it enters atmosphere?

Don't you realise that The TARDIS can get from any Time/Location to any
other Time/Location that it wants to, Tim??

The Doctor just dials the Time/Location up and "presses the Go button"
then The TARDIS decides if it wants to go to that Time/Location or to
some other Time/Location.

So, the TARDIS would just have to decide it wanted to get somewhere ten
minutes earlier!!

Easy!!

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The Doctor

2018-03-14 15:19:02 UTC

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)

the physics.

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
The Doctor seems unwilling to believe that anybody could have

Timelord-like

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
technology even though he knows that there are far more powerful beings
wandering around. (And of course he already knew that his Tardis could
operate within a black hole, though he could argue that that had

something

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
to do with Omega's influence.)

And why couldn't TARDIS tow a ship away from a planet during "A
Christmas Carol"?

The Turbulence!

What "turbulence". idiot?? In Space, there is no air, therefore no
turbulence!
Of course, this would mean The Doctor would have needed to 'get there'
before the ship entered the Earth's Atmosphere, but that should have
been with-in the TARDIS' capabilities.

How Dannyboy?

What, idiot??

How would TARDIS get to ship before it enters atmosphere?

Exactly.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-26 12:08:07 UTC

What does The Beast eat, and how does it obtain its food?

pv+ (PV)

2006-12-04 18:06:02 UTC

Post by Jack Bohn
I gathered from his mutterings (although I could be
hallucinating) that the builders of the prison designed it to
safely conduct anyone (or anything) that got close enough into
The Presence. Apparently on the impression that there was nobody
working to free it, and anybody coming down would be trying to
prevent it escaping.

That was what he said. If you're waltzing through the front door of a
prison, you probably have some business being there. Someone trying to help
the beast escape would arrive by another route.

It's a weak line of reasoning, but it worked. *

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like corkscrews.

Jack Bohn

2006-12-05 11:24:19 UTC

That was what he said. If you're waltzing through the front door of a
prison, you probably have some business being there. Someone trying to help
the beast escape would arrive by another route.

I don't remember the part about the thought of anyone trying to
help the beast escape. That's why I'm expanding it to anyone
arriving by any route, such as the TARDIS falling through the
fault and being separated from the other debris and being easily
accessible.

Post by pv+ (PV)
It's a weak line of reasoning, but it worked. *

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Jaime M. de Castellvi

2006-12-02 19:59:42 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

4.2 (just to piss off any closet devil-worshippers in the peanut
gallery)

Cheers,

Jaime

John VanSickle

2006-12-02 21:34:08 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

4.2 (just to piss off any closet devil-worshippers in the peanut
gallery)

You mean, a.f.t-s?

Regards,
John

Jaime M. de Castellvi

2006-12-03 00:49:30 UTC

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:34:08 GMT, John VanSickle

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

4.2 (just to piss off any closet devil-worshippers in the peanut
gallery)

You mean, a.f.t-s?

What's that supposed to stand for? alt.faith.try-satan?

Cheers,

Jaime

John VanSickle

2006-12-03 21:21:25 UTC

Post by Jaime M. de Castellvi
On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:34:08 GMT, John VanSickle

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

4.2 (just to piss off any closet devil-worshippers in the peanut
gallery)

You mean, a.f.t-s?

What's that supposed to stand for? alt.faith.try-satan?

No; I merely had thought that alt.fan.tom-servo was the peanut gallery
to which you referred.

Regards,
John

Jaime M. de Castellvi

2006-12-03 23:45:12 UTC

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:21:25 GMT, John VanSickle

Post by Jaime M. de Castellvi
On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:34:08 GMT, John VanSickle

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

4.2 (just to piss off any closet devil-worshippers in the peanut
gallery)

You mean, a.f.t-s?

What's that supposed to stand for? alt.faith.try-satan?

No; I merely had thought that alt.fan.tom-servo was the peanut gallery
to which you referred.
Regards,
John

Odd. There ain't no devil groupies in this froup that I know off, not
unless they're of the closet variety or Tim Weaver.

Cheers,

Jaime

Tony Calguire

2006-12-03 23:49:03 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who

You know what I really loved about these two episodes? The voice of "The
Beast" was the same actor who did the voice of "Sutekh" in "The Pyramids of
Mars" all those years ago... and both stories were about an imprisoned
beast who was widely regarded as "the devil". Is that cool or what?

Am I the only one who noticed that some of the mechanical-sounding sound
effects were the exact same sound effects from the game "Doom"? The Shores
of Hell indeed! I thought that was a nice reference.

pv+ (PV)

2006-12-04 18:08:16 UTC

Post by Tony Calguire
You know what I really loved about these two episodes? The voice of "The
Beast" was the same actor who did the voice of "Sutekh" in "The Pyramids of
Mars" all those years ago... and both stories were about an imprisoned
beast who was widely regarded as "the devil". Is that cool or what?

Is it true? It's a fantastic voice for the job, and I will admit that my
memory of Pyramids puts a similar voice on him too, but keeping a set of
pipes sounding that good for 30 years is quite an achievement. *

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like corkscrews.

Monsieur Tabernac

2006-12-04 18:12:58 UTC

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"The Beast" is supposed to make a return in Series 3 (according to
RTD's commentary on this story), so we may hear those nasty pipes
again (and perhaps get some stuff explained too... maybe this *is*
Sutekh?)

A funny story from that same RTD commentary: when they brought in the
actor to discuss his voice part, they were somewhat dismayed to see he
was a diminutive old man! Luckily he could still sound menacing.

Tony Calguire

2006-12-04 23:15:49 UTC

Post by Tony Calguire
You know what I really loved about these two episodes? The voice of
"The Beast" was the same actor who did the voice of "Sutekh" in "The
Pyramids of Mars" all those years ago... and both stories were about
an imprisoned beast who was widely regarded as "the devil". Is that
cool or what?

Is it true? It's a fantastic voice for the job, and I will admit that
my memory of Pyramids puts a similar voice on him too, but keeping a
set of pipes sounding that good for 30 years is quite an achievement.
*

I looked it up before I posted. But I instantly recognized the voice when
I first heard it in "Impossible Planet"... to the point where I was sure
The Doctor was going to have a reunion encounter with Sutekh.

pv+ (PV)

2006-12-04 23:30:35 UTC

Post by Tony Calguire
I looked it up before I posted. But I instantly recognized the voice when
I first heard it in "Impossible Planet"... to the point where I was sure
The Doctor was going to have a reunion encounter with Sutekh.

Sure enough! The actor's name is Gabriel Woolf - he's 74 years old. And the
best creepy voice outside of Christopher Lee. *

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like corkscrews.

Diane L

2006-12-05 16:47:41 UTC

Post by Tony Calguire
I looked it up before I posted. But I instantly recognized the
voice when I first heard it in "Impossible Planet"... to the point
where I was sure The Doctor was going to have a reunion encounter
with Sutekh.

Sure enough! The actor's name is Gabriel Woolf - he's 74 years old.
And the best creepy voice outside of Christopher Lee. *

And inside Christopher Lee, it's too dark to read the lines ... oh, sorry,
wrong joke.

Brings up a point, though. Are there no young creepy-voiced actors
around? Lee's 84, Woolf's 74, James Earl Jones is 75 ...

Diane L.

pv+ (PV)

2006-12-04 17:57:46 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who

4.0. A corny idea, but done well, and it was great watching Rose grow up. *

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2014-08-19 07:49:15 UTC

Post by g***@yahoo.com
"The Satan Pit"
12-1-06 Dr. Who
5 stars (William Friedkin)
0-1 stars (Renny Harlin)
-George

Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 07:51:24 UTC

Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

The Doctor

2018-03-12 15:36:28 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-03-12 18:24:25 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

Wouldn't safety regs require spacesuits for everyone?

The Doctor

2018-03-12 22:15:02 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

Wouldn't safety regs require spacesuits for everyone?

Good point.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-04-05 19:44:12 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

Wouldn't safety regs require spacesuits for everyone?

Good point.

We could be in same era as "Oxygen"!

The Doctor

2018-04-05 20:53:19 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

Wouldn't safety regs require spacesuits for everyone?

Good point.

We could be in same era as "Oxygen"!

Yikes!

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Timothy Bruening

2018-04-23 12:30:51 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

How could they NOT expect trouble on a planet inside a black hole?

The Doctor

2018-04-23 15:19:13 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

How could they NOT expect trouble on a planet inside a black hole?

Assumed too much.

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Daniel60

2018-04-24 12:57:50 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why didn't the base have more than 2 space suits?

No expectation of troubles.

How could they NOT expect trouble on a planet inside a black hole?

Assumed too much.

Hmm! With (Real World) three astronauts being on Apollo 11 mission to
the moon, I wonder how many spacesuits were in the Command Module!!

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The Doctor

2018-04-24 14:58:35 UTC