Thanks Dan.
There are one or two ISP's and their administrators out there that have been VERY generous, sympathetic and helpful towards Sahil & Net4U and yet more who have been giving Net4U advise, and telling him off when needed :). As I say, Net4U are "growing up" slowly, but like me, are bound to make mistakes along the way.
I enjoy helping others where help is needed, but sometimes this pisses other people off, especially those that don't think that particular person or business deserves to be helped or to get ahead, and I'm not just talking about Net4U.
Anyway, rest assured, he has just had a verbal assault from me for yet again, not thinking carefully and using common sense before acting. ie sending Spam etc
Thanks for your patience and understanding everyone. He wont be doing that again. :)
Cheers,
Richard.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Clark [mailto:***@scarfies.net]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 4:04 p.m.
To: Richard Parkinson; ***@list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering
I have to agree with Richard here, the problem is the young man who set this particular ISP up has historicly been ignorant as to some of the ethical rules and unwritten policy's of the internet community. We all make mistakes and maybe he just needs a little guidance and support from fellow ISP's who, will no doubt have started from penny's in the early days themselves.
Regards
Dan Clark
Network Manager
Scarfies.Net Ltd
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard <mailto:***@sigel.co.nz> Parkinson
To: ***@list.waikato.ac.nz
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: [nznog] APE Peering
We have made a brief report which is not for public viewing, but which has identified a small number of issues on the Net4U network (which were quickly rectified) that were as a result of previous employees. We found nothing that was causing deliberate loss of bandwidth to any other party. We did not fully complete the work due to budget restraints, however we did cover most of the important aspects. Some of our recommendations have been implemented, and sadly others have not been done, but Net4U are operating somewhat better than they were.
We no longer oversee the operation of Net4U, but have kept in touch with them, and assist with other matters both business related and technical, and feel Net4U & Sahil are slowly "growing up" so to speak, but I expect mystiques will still be made from time to time. None of us are perfect.
I can assure you the bandwidth offered by Net4U in that "distributed" email is legitimate, and I should warn you that continued accusations and alligations are a direct attack against me and my company, which left Net4U operating legally and above board, and there is no justification for this blatant deformation.
I must say that I also disagree with the method of advertising chosen. Had I been consulted I would have recommended against it, but in saying that, I welcome email in my inbox that relates directly to my line of business and would rather receive such email as opposed to the ones about increasing the size of certain body parts or some other "amazing offer" which we see all to often of late, depending on how good your mail filters are.
It doesn't take much for everyone to see that some of you are making an issue simply because it's Sahil and Net4U, and because you were a reject at school who was picked on and bullied, and now have a psychological disorder resulting in you playing out the role of your boyhood deamon from school, dishing out what you received.
Without naming anyone, I would also like to point out that there are those of you on this list making such accusations who are the last people to do so, or should we raise the matter of a VAST amount of bandwidth stolen from Telecom for a number of months, by a much larger ISP than Net4U, who even taught another ISP's network administrator how to do it only days before Telecom figured it all out... or perhaps I could send the list a copy of some forged court documents? To these few people I say, I suggest you stop stirring the pot and leave the past alone, or you will get more than just a little of it on you.
I think we should all take a good look at ourselves, and the motivation behind the pettiness that from time to time, makes me wonder just how many children play on this list, and how many people are here to get work/business done.
Lets just get on with our work please everyone.
Cheers,
Richard Parkinson
(Director)
Sigel Data Systems Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:***@orcon.net.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 2:13 p.m.
To: ***@list.waikato.ac.nz; Steve Phillips
Subject: Re: [nznog] APE Peering
If anyone had forgotten, where is the "Report" from Sigel Systems about
Net4u's runnings over the last 3 months. I believe the impartial 3rd party
was hired as one of net4u's staff a very short while after (so couldn't be
impartial)
Thanks
Craig
Post by Steve PhillipsPost by Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITEDWe can deliver using several methods as I've outlined above and can
also
Post by Steve PhillipsPost by Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITEDtake care of transporting your existing I.P. Address ranges supplied
to
Post by Steve PhillipsPost by Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITEDyou by your current provider to us.
That would be a neat trick. Almost worth taking him up on that just to
watch him fail dismally.
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