worst movie by these directors

[far out right]

some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?

if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.

also, i haven't seen all of their movies so there could, of course, be
worse. for example, has anyone seen sanshiro sugata pt II?

kurosawa: dodeskaden*

kubrick: spartacus*

antonioni: passenger*

woody allen: another woman

bergman: passion of anna*

fellini: juliet of the spirits*

peckinpah: bring me al's head

godard: detective

truffaut: man who loved women

rivette: l'amour fou*

spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

friedkin: guardian

coppola: one from the heart

lee: do the right thing

welles: f for fake*

hitchcock: topaz

ford: donovon's reefer*

kazan: splendor in the grass

altman: ready to wear

rohmer: perceval

woo: bullet in the head

wong kar wai: chunking express(what's the big deal?)

lean: ryan's daughter*

suzuki: pistol opera*

takeshi: brother*

tarantino: pulp fiction*

oshima: max mon amor

bertolucci: little buddha

pasolini: toss up between teorema and salo.

ackerman: anything

campion: portrait of a lady

scorsese: cape fear

depalma: mission to mars



who else?

[mainscream]

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bergman: passion of anna*

sorry but this is a quite good movie... i'd rather say some of the pre-7th
seal pics...

[Pastor of Muppets]

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kubrick: spartacus*

Eyes Wide Shut

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woody allen: another woman

Shadows and Fog

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

AI, Minority Report, and Amistad

Post by far out right
coppola: one from the heart

Agree here.

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

No way... while I think Lee is extremely annoying and not a good
director or writer, Do the Right Thing is a good movie and certainly
his best. I'd say Bamboozled or Girl 6

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altman: ready to wear

Total agreement here.

Post by far out right
woo: bullet in the head

Windtalkers - what a pathetic attempt to jump on the WWII movie
bandwagon. Awful.

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.

Post by far out right
depalma: mission to mars

God, yes. What was he thinking?

Sorry I don't know most of the other directors... I consider myself a
frequent movieviewer, but I generally only watch films from the last
30 - 40 years, and of those they're usually sci fi or action.


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altman: ready to wear

Total agreement here.

You guys haven't seen BEYOND THERAPY ? The absolute pits.

[Vince Macek]

Post by Philip

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altman: ready to wear

Total agreement here.

You guys haven't seen BEYOND THERAPY ? The absolute pits.

I haven't seen lots of Altman, but I saw 'O.C. and Stiggs' and was so
very disappointed. Sounds like a low bar to strive for, but I did like
the National Lampoon stories.

VMacek

[Evil Elvis]

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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kubrick: spartacus*

Eyes Wide Shut

Oh, God yes! My acting coach once said that the reason he died is
because he saw his own movie and had a heart attack.

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by far out right
woody allen: another woman

Shadows and Fog

I think anything by Woody Allen prett much sucks. But that's just
me.

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

AI, Minority Report, and Amistad

A.I., by FAR. What the hell was with that ending? I still think
that it's still going.

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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coppola: one from the heart

Agree here.

What about "Jack"?

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lee: do the right thing

No way... while I think Lee is extremely annoying and not a good
director or writer, Do the Right Thing is a good movie and certainly
his best. I'd say Bamboozled or Girl 6

Couldn't agree with you more. I don't really care for Spike Lee
but he has his moments. "Do the Right Thing" was one of his better
flicks. Now, as for "Do the White Thing......well.....

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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altman: ready to wear

Total agreement here.

*Shudder*

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woo: bullet in the head

Windtalkers - what a pathetic attempt to jump on the WWII movie
bandwagon. Awful.

Any American film that Woo has directed with the exception of
"Face/Off" was rubbish.

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.

Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by far out right
depalma: mission to mars

God, yes. What was he thinking?

Probably: I'm broke. Someone hire me.

Post by Pastor of Muppets
Sorry I don't know most of the other directors... I consider myself a
frequent movieviewer, but I generally only watch films from the last
30 - 40 years, and of those they're usually sci fi or action.

You mean to tell me you haven't seen anything from Spamutzkaya?
Dude, what's your trip? :>)


--EE--

[Pastor of Muppets]

Post by Evil Elvis

Post by Pastor of Muppets
Shadows and Fog

I think anything by Woody Allen prett much sucks. But that's just
me.

I have to disagree... I certainly don't like the man personally and
he's had his share of snoozers and bombs, but movies like Sleeper,
Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex, and Purple Rose of
Cairo more than make up for it.

Post by Evil Elvis
A.I., by FAR. What the hell was with that ending? I still think
that it's still going.

I'd bet anything that Kubrick's original script had it end with the
boy floating at the bottom of the ocean, staring at the blue fairy.
Spielberg has such a hard-on for family flicks with tear jerker and/or
happy endings, that he probably added that whole segment with the boy
getting thawed out of the ice and reunited with his mother. It's like
he's trying to better himself with every 11-year old in the world. And
by the way, thanks for editing ET, Spielberg, and totally gaying it up
wby changing the guns to walkie talkies. Nice move, dipshit. As if
we're to believe that the same government that would capture and
dissect an alien wouldn't hesitate to chase down kids with guns hiding
the alien.

Post by Evil Elvis
Any American film that Woo has directed with the exception of
"Face/Off" was rubbish.

Face Off was awful... how could I forget that one? I hated it. More
than Windtalkers.

Post by Evil Elvis
Probably: I'm broke. Someone hire me.

Heh. A hefty paycheck would change my mind, too.

Post by Evil Elvis
You mean to tell me you haven't seen anything from Spamutzkaya?
Dude, what's your trip? :>)

Mushrooms. I don't care for acid. ;)

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[Richard Schultz]

In rec.arts.movies.past-films Pastor of Muppets <***@spamsuxcomcast.net> wrote:

: I'd bet anything that Kubrick's original script had it end with the
: boy floating at the bottom of the ocean, staring at the blue fairy.

Given the amount of effort that Kubrick spent making "2001" technically
accurate, I seriously doubt that he would have had anyone "floating" at
the bottom of anything.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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[Evil Elvis]

Post by Pastor of Muppets
Face Off was awful... how could I forget that one? I hated it. More
than Windtalkers.

I liked "Face/Off". It's probably the only Americanized movie of
Woo that I like. Can I get a Woo-Tang???!!!

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by Evil Elvis
You mean to tell me you haven't seen anything from Spamutzkaya?
Dude, what's your trip? :>)

Mushrooms. I don't care for acid. ;)

Magic!


--EE--

[Pilar Quezzaire]

In alt.asian-movies Evil Elvis <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

:> No way... while I think Lee is extremely annoying and not a good
:> director or writer, Do the Right Thing is a good movie and certainly
:> his best. I'd say Bamboozled or Girl 6

Bamboozled was wonderful -- I'd go for Jungle Fever, actually.

:> >woo: bullet in the head
:>
:> Windtalkers - what a pathetic attempt to jump on the WWII movie
:> bandwagon. Awful.

: Any American film that Woo has directed with the exception of
: "Face/Off" was rubbish.

I got one worse for ya: Hand of Death. This was an AWFUL movie. It was
during Woo's Drinking for Shaw Brother Stage.

:> >tarantino: pulp fiction*
:>
:> Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
:> worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.

: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.

I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.

--
Pilar

[Pastor of Muppets]

On 13 May 2004 01:56:12 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.

I disagree - I LOVE that movie. Fun, great action, and a great
soundtrack. I could watch it a hundred times over.

However, Tarantino only wrote it. Rodriguez directed it.


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And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact
that this is the network built on... South Park."
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[Pilar Quezzaire]

In alt.asian-movies Pastor of Muppets <***@spamsuxcomcast.net> wrote:
: On 13 May 2004 01:56:12 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire
: <***@ls02.fas.harvard.edu> wrote:

:>: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
:>
:>I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.


: I disagree - I LOVE that movie. Fun, great action, and a great
: soundtrack. I could watch it a hundred times over.

You and I are different. :)

: However, Tarantino only wrote it. Rodriguez directed it.

D'oh! My bad, so it's Rodriguez' worst movie!

--
Pilar

[larry legallo]

On 14 May 2004 16:06:50 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: However, Tarantino only wrote it. Rodriguez directed it.
D'oh! My bad, so it's Rodriguez' worst movie!

No, The Faculty has a pretty firm hold on that spot.

[Dgates]

On 14 May 2004 16:06:50 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: On 13 May 2004 01:56:12 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire
:>: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
:>
:>I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.
: I disagree - I LOVE that movie. Fun, great action, and a great
: soundtrack. I could watch it a hundred times over.
You and I are different. :)

I think that the first half gave people an expectation that it would
be a different type of movie, one that they liked enough that they
were pissed off by the second half.

If the whole movie had the tone of the second half, perhaps everyone
would now be comparing the movie to Evil Dead II.
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[Marc and/or Teresa Sparks]

Post by Dgates

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
:>I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.

I think that the first half gave people an expectation that it would
be a different type of movie, one that they liked enough that they
were pissed off by the second half.

I went to see this in the theatre with two friends. One kept saying
loudly "Where the hell are the vampires?" The other, who knew nothing
about it (and apparently didn't pay any attention to the other friends
comments) was completely surprised by the twist in the middle- and
therefore probably got the most out of it.

Since it was advertised as a horror film, I can't see how anyone
except my clueless friend could be "pissed off" by the vampire story.
(Actually I think he enjoyed it more than any of us.) I think it would
be more the other way around...horror fans think the front half is too
slow.

I love both halves though- the first part is a "better" movie, the
second half is more "fun".

[Pastor of Muppets]

On 14 May 2004 16:06:50 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: On 13 May 2004 01:56:12 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire
:>: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
:>
:>I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.
: I disagree - I LOVE that movie. Fun, great action, and a great
: soundtrack. I could watch it a hundred times over.
You and I are different. :)
: However, Tarantino only wrote it. Rodriguez directed it.
D'oh! My bad, so it's Rodriguez' worst movie!

If I had to pick a bad Rodriguez movie, I'd go with Spy Kids 2 and 3.

Although I've never seen Roadracers, so I don't know if it's crappy or
not.

Once Upon A Time In Mexico was quite a letdown... the only saving
grace was Johnny Depp's performance... especially as the blind
gunfighter at the end.

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[HellRazor]

Post by larry legallo
On 14 May 2004 16:06:50 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: On 13 May 2004 01:56:12 GMT, Pilar Quezzaire
:>: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
:>
:>I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.
: I disagree - I LOVE that movie. Fun, great action, and a great
: soundtrack. I could watch it a hundred times over.
You and I are different. :)
: However, Tarantino only wrote it. Rodriguez directed it.
D'oh! My bad, so it's Rodriguez' worst movie!

If I had to pick a bad Rodriguez movie, I'd go with Spy Kids 2 and 3.
Although I've never seen Roadracers, so I don't know if it's crappy or
not.
Once Upon A Time In Mexico was quite a letdown... the only saving
grace was Johnny Depp's performance... especially as the blind
gunfighter at the end.

My fiance and I caught that as the second feature at a drive-in... we
thought it was so bad we left after about a half hour...

We refer to it as "El Cinemo Bad-o".

HellRazor

[Barry day]

the hell it is, From Dusk till dawn kicks all ass.
Brendan

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
:> No way... while I think Lee is extremely annoying and not a good
:> director or writer, Do the Right Thing is a good movie and certainly
:> his best. I'd say Bamboozled or Girl 6
Bamboozled was wonderful -- I'd go for Jungle Fever, actually.
:> >woo: bullet in the head
:>
:> Windtalkers - what a pathetic attempt to jump on the WWII movie
:> bandwagon. Awful.
: Any American film that Woo has directed with the exception of
: "Face/Off" was rubbish.
I got one worse for ya: Hand of Death. This was an AWFUL movie. It was
during Woo's Drinking for Shaw Brother Stage.
:> >tarantino: pulp fiction*
:>
:> Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
:> worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.
: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.
--
Pilar

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
:> Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
:> worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.
: Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.
I agree. "From Dusk 'til Dawn" is his stinker.

He didn't direct that one.

Anyway, Kill Bill isn't really great, either.

[Pilar Quezzaire]

In alt.asian-movies Barry day <***@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
: the hell it is, From Dusk till dawn kicks all ass.

I watch Angel when I want to watch slick but cheesy vampire stories.

Pilar

[ALPHA76767]

Post by Evil Elvis

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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woo: bullet in the head

Windtalkers - what a pathetic attempt to jump on the WWII movie
bandwagon. Awful.

Any American film that Woo has directed with the exception of
"Face/Off" was rubbish.

I'd have to go with Hand of Death or Mission Impossible 2. Bullet in the Head
is arguably his best work. As for his american films, I quite like the uncut
Hard Target, great piece of action cinema, still had an old Woo style to it.

Post by Evil Elvis

Post by Pastor of Muppets

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Gasp. Pulp Fiction is Tarantino at his best. Jackie Brown is his
worst... what happens when he directs something he didn't write.

Yep. Pulp Fiction is one of my faves of all time.

My god, Pulp Fiction's fantastic. Jackie Brown is considered his worst
overall, and I still love that film.

Post by Evil Elvis

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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depalma: mission to mars

Femme Fatale was far more unwatchable.

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Post by Pastor of Muppets

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spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

AI, Minority Report, and Amistad

A.I., by FAR. What the hell was with that ending? I still think
that it's still going.

Have to agree on the AI, but I've yet to see 1941. Probably the only Spielberg
I've never seen. Minority Report was fine, and Amistad was very well done.

Post by Evil Elvis

Post by Pastor of Muppets

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woody allen: another woman

Shadows and Fog

I think anything by Woody Allen prett much sucks. But that's just
me.

Sorry, it's not just you. I can't stand his films. Everyone Says I Love You
is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Yeah, let's let Cameron Diaz and
Julia Roberts sing. Which they did, again, in that Best Friend's Wedding.
Ironically, also a piece of shit.

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Post by Pastor of Muppets

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kubrick: spartacus*

Eyes Wide Shut

Yeah, going with Eyes Wide Shut too. But I hate 2001. Know I'm in the
minority on this one.

[Kingo Gondo]

Post by far out right
some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?
if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.
peckinpah: bring me al's head

You are truly a fucking idiot.

And go watch Convoy.

[far out right]

Post by Kingo Gondo

Post by far out right
some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?
if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.
peckinpah: bring me al's head

You are truly a fucking idiot.
And go watch Convoy.

convoy's just funning around. bring me was suppose to be peckinpah
baring his soul; instead he bared his arse.

[El Queso]

Post by far out right
some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?
if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.
also, i haven't seen all of their movies so there could, of course, be
worse. for example, has anyone seen sanshiro sugata pt II?
kurosawa: dodeskaden*
kubrick: spartacus*
antonioni: passenger*
woody allen: another woman
bergman: passion of anna*
fellini: juliet of the spirits*
peckinpah: bring me al's head
godard: detective
truffaut: man who loved women
rivette: l'amour fou*
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)
friedkin: guardian
coppola: one from the heart
lee: do the right thing
welles: f for fake*

This movie is great because it is one of the very few places you can see
the amazing El Myr in action. El Myr was a god. The part of that movie
where El Myr effortlessly duplicates the Modligliani charcoal sketch,
and then just throws the fake into a fireplace - brilliant! Sure, F
isn't Touch of evil, but it has real merit. It is a half-real half-fake
documentary about haf-real half-fake people.
Queso

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hitchcock: topaz
ford: donovon's reefer*
kazan: splendor in the grass
altman: ready to wear
rohmer: perceval
woo: bullet in the head
wong kar wai: chunking express(what's the big deal?)
lean: ryan's daughter*
suzuki: pistol opera*
takeshi: brother*
tarantino: pulp fiction*
oshima: max mon amor
bertolucci: little buddha
pasolini: toss up between teorema and salo.
ackerman: anything
campion: portrait of a lady
scorsese: cape fear
depalma: mission to mars
who else?

[M Merced]

Post by El Queso

Post by far out right
some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?
if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.
also, i haven't seen all of their movies so there could, of course, be
worse. for example, has anyone seen sanshiro sugata pt II?
kurosawa: dodeskaden*
kubrick: spartacus*
antonioni: passenger*
woody allen: another woman
bergman: passion of anna*
fellini: juliet of the spirits*
peckinpah: bring me al's head
godard: detective
truffaut: man who loved women
rivette: l'amour fou*
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

HOOK

Post by El Queso

Post by far out right
friedkin: guardian
coppola: one from the heart
lee: do the right thing
welles: f for fake*

This movie is great because it is one of the very few places you can see
the amazing El Myr in action. El Myr was a god. The part of that movie
where El Myr effortlessly duplicates the Modligliani charcoal sketch,
and then just throws the fake into a fireplace - brilliant! Sure, F
isn't Touch of evil, but it has real merit. It is a half-real half-fake
documentary about haf-real half-fake people.
Queso

Funny that the trailer for F is for Fake is more interesting than alot of
movies made today.

Post by El Queso

Post by far out right
hitchcock: topaz
ford: donovon's reefer*
kazan: splendor in the grass
altman: ready to wear
rohmer: perceval
woo: bullet in the head
wong kar wai: chunking express(what's the big deal?)
lean: ryan's daughter*
suzuki: pistol opera*
takeshi: brother*
tarantino: pulp fiction*
oshima: max mon amor
bertolucci: little buddha
pasolini: toss up between teorema and salo.
ackerman: anything
campion: portrait of a lady
scorsese: cape fear
depalma: mission to mars
who else?

[ALPHA76767]

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

HOOK

AHA! Yeah, that's officially his worst in my book. Forgot about that one.

[notbob]

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

HOOK

Lord yes! What a heaping, steaming, pile of dung that was.

ET pretty much sucked, too.

nb

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by notbob

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

HOOK

Lord yes! What a heaping, steaming, pile of dung that was.

I've sort of lost track with him since the mid 80's.

[Harpie]

LOL - you have to be kidding, right? Since Hook he's directed Jurassic Park,
Saving Private Ryan, Catch Me If You Can, and the most ignored film of all
time, Schindler's List (which won 7 Oscars, including best director and best
picture)
Marianne

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by notbob

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

HOOK

Lord yes! What a heaping, steaming, pile of dung that was.

I've sort of lost track with him since the mid 80's.
--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Harpie
LOL - you have to be kidding, right? Since Hook he's directed Jurassic Park,
Saving Private Ryan, Catch Me If You Can, and the most ignored film of all
time, Schindler's List (which won 7 Oscars, including best director and best
picture)

All lesser films than Duel, Jaws, Raiders, ET en Close encounters.

[slotman1958]

Anything by Michael Moore.

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by slotman1958
Anything by Michael Moore.

Another drunken Republican posting.


"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Dan Olson]

Post by far out right
woo: bullet in the head

Bullet in the Head wasn't very good, but I'd say Woo's worst would have to
be one of his American films. Mission Impossible 2 comes to mind. The
poster that said all of Woo's American films other than Face/Off suck
seems right on.

Post by far out right
wong kar wai: chunking express(what's the big deal?)

Having seen all but one WKW movie, I'll say that Chungking Express isn't
his best, but certainly not his worst. I'd point to Days of Being Wild as
maybe his weakest film, although the small number of Andy Lau scenes in
that movie were great. I didn't enjoy As Tears Go By, but it was probably
because it didn't have subtitles.

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Agree with whoever said Jackie Brown. Pulp Fiction is a great film,
although very flawed at points. I'd say Pulp Fiction or True Romance is
Tarantino's best.

[Pilar Quezzaire]

In alt.asian-movies Dan Olson <***@fakeemail.com> wrote:

: Having seen all but one WKW movie, I'll say that Chungking Express isn't
: his best, but certainly not his worst. I'd point to Days of Being Wild as
: maybe his weakest film, although the small number of Andy Lau scenes in
: that movie were great. I didn't enjoy As Tears Go By, but it was probably
: because it didn't have subtitles.

Am I the only person here who thought _Ashes of Time_ was a waste of time?
Good Lord, I'd easily say that was WKW's worst film...and that's even if
you /did/ figure out the plot. I watched _Happy Together_ afterwards just
to wash my brain out.

--
Pilar

[far out right]

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
: Having seen all but one WKW movie, I'll say that Chungking Express isn't
: his best, but certainly not his worst. I'd point to Days of Being Wild as
: maybe his weakest film, although the small number of Andy Lau scenes in
: that movie were great. I didn't enjoy As Tears Go By, but it was probably
: because it didn't have subtitles.
Am I the only person here who thought _Ashes of Time_ was a waste of time?
Good Lord, I'd easily say that was WKW's worst film...and that's even if
you /did/ figure out the plot. I watched _Happy Together_ afterwards just
to wash my brain out.

ashes of time has two very great short scenes. the opening and
brigitte lin on the lake. otherwise, artsy hk fooey.

[ordosclan]

Post by Pilar Quezzaire
Am I the only person here who thought _Ashes of Time_ was a waste of time?
Good Lord, I'd easily say that was WKW's worst film...and that's even if
you /did/ figure out the plot. I watched _Happy Together_ afterwards just
to wash my brain out.

I was suprised at HT. It was great. I wasnt to up on a movie about
gays set in argentina. I had a school teacher from argentina. Based
on her description its full of pale, racist, meat eating mysognists.

Ashes of time was an epic. Point being, epic basically means boring.
Even WKY had to stop working on this project and went and did
Chungking express and Fallen angels. If you have the rolling thunder
version of Chungking express tarantino tells some interesting data on
the movies. He talks about Ashes fo time and how much of a hassle it
was for him to finish it and it basically went on and on and on and
on.

In terms of substance, its the best "martial art" movie out there.
Compare it with "swordsman with an umbrella". Hell, it didnt even
have hardly anything resembling swordfighting. And the video box was
ostensibly labeled "swordfighting". Hello, he has an umbrella with a
spear point. Story line not too bad. A different twist on the
revenge motif. I could never get that bar scene part in the
beginning. Where the girl, who they think is a guy (whats up with
that?) is being bullyed into drinking the wine.

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[Roman S.]

Fulci: Door To Silence

Argento: Phantom Of The Opera

[greg]

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Post by far out right
peckinpah: bring me al's head

to not like this is to not "get" what peckinpah was about.

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

just about ANY film he's made after and including ET.

Post by far out right
friedkin: guardian
coppola: one from the heart

as someone else pointed out: JACK. sick film.

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

nah, School Daze ain't that great, and Girl 6 was definetly not as
good as Do The Right Thing too.

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welles: f for fake*

really? the one and only problem I see with this film is it's aimed at
a tiny audience. most people don't care about Magick (both kinds with
and without the "k" on the end), conspiracies, and "masks" of reality.
if anything, this film was made for fans of Robert Anton Wilson before
there were fans of Robert Anton Wilson. In fact, Wilson goes on and on
about this film in one of his Cosmic Trigger books. The film is a
maze, a puzzle, that the viewer must assemble. Oh, and it's hiliarious
to boot!

Post by far out right
woo: bullet in the head

I find this entertaining, if overlong. I think Hardboiled is pretty
hokey. That might his crappy HK film. His crappiest Hollywood film?
ah, er, maybe that Travolta film? Oh wait, didn't he do TWO Travolta
films? They all suck. His best is clearly the uncut Hard Target; which
is a sad thing to say.

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

which ties with Kill Bill in my book.

Post by far out right
oshima: max mon amor
bertolucci: little buddha
pasolini: toss up between teorema and salo.

do you find Salo bad because of the subject matter? It's really well
made on all fronts; it's just offensive and assaults the viewer.

Post by far out right
scorsese: cape fear

no way. Cape Fear isn't that great, but Kundun was dull as heck. oh,
and "Goodfellas Performance Troop" performing the Last Temptation of
Christ was completely ham-fisted and silly.
?

[larry legallo]

Post by greg
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Post by far out right
peckinpah: bring me al's head

to not like this is to not "get" what peckinpah was about.

Tony has many, many, many deficiencies, but I think it's safe to say
that he "gets" Peckinpah. Maybe a little *too* well.

[far out right]

Post by greg
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Post by far out right
peckinpah: bring me al's head

to not like this is to not "get" what peckinpah was about.

i get it but don't like it.

[Kingo Gondo]

Post by far out right

Post by greg
<snip>

Post by far out right
peckinpah: bring me al's head

to not like this is to not "get" what peckinpah was about.

i get it but don't like it.

I have very few "litmus test" films left. This is one of them. Men to one
side, boys to the other, etc.

Thank fucking Christ for your response--I am relieved to see it work again
after all these years.

[Pleasant Lady]

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

I thought this was hilarious! A.I. was way worse than 1941.

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

Again I disagree. Mo Betta Blues and Girl 6 weren't as good as DTRT.

Post by far out right
kazan: splendor in the grass

I haven't seen all of Kazan's work, but I cannot believe that this was
his worst.

[Kirk Henderson]

Comments on a few...

Post by far out right
kubrick: spartacus*

Kubrick's worst film? Hardly. The film he had the least control over,
yes, but The Shining was far less successful. Much of Spartacus holds
up very well. Particularly the stuff Kubrick had control over, which
was mainly the Roman stuff. Kirk Douglas' influence on the gladiator
army of slaves has held up the least. But Spartacus has the best score
(by Alex North) Kubrick ever had in one of his films.

Post by far out right
antonioni: passenger*

The Passenger is one of Antonioni's best. Really a terrific film. And
a fine performance by Jack Nicholson. See Zabriski Point for a bad one.

Post by far out right
woody allen: another woman

He's made a lot of losers lately, but Hollywood Ending was a complete
failure. Not even funny. Not even an interesting failure

Post by far out right
bergman: passion of anna*

Come on. Try The Touch or The Magic Flute. But just about anything
Bergman did is interesting on many levels. Even the failures.

Post by far out right
fellini: juliet of the spirits*

Also, come on. Juliet is a bit overblown, but really a wonderful film
in many ways. Fellini's later films are almost all inferior to his
earlier work. City of Women. Fred and Ginger. Orchestra Rehearsal.
Juliet of the Spirits is far from his worst.

Post by far out right
peckinpah: bring me al's head

You pick so many good ones to knock. Recently saw Straw Dogs for the
first time and wasn't impressed. Peckinpah's oeuvre is a mixed bag.

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

Yup, 1941 wasn't all that good, but Hook outdid that one in over
indulgeance and bad acting.

Post by far out right
coppola: one from the heart

Nope. Heart is a failure, but a really interesting one. Jack is really
the one you should have on this list, as so many others have noted.

Post by far out right
welles: f for fake*

At least you have an asterisk.

Post by far out right
hitchcock: topaz

Really disagree here. Not even an asterisk do you give it. Topaz isn't
that bad. For a truly bad Hitchcock film, check out Under Capricorn.
But even that one has some merit. There are a number of interesting
moments in Topaz, and some inspired visuals. Great score by Maurice
Jarre.

Post by far out right
ford: donovon's reefer*

Reefer? Hardly Ford's worst. Donovan's Reef is quite a good film. It's
better than Cheyenne Autumn, but even that has a lot of great scenes.

Post by far out right
kazan: splendor in the grass

Needs an asterisk. All the films he made after Grass are not as good.

Post by far out right
lean: ryan's daughter*

You're probably right here.

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

You've got to be kidding. One of his best. I'd put Kill Bill vol. 1 here.

Post by far out right
scorsese: cape fear

Cape Fear wasn't even as good as the original 1960 film, but Gangs of
New York, for all the money it cost, and the cast, just layed there and
died. Cape Fear at least got the audience's blood flowing.

Post by far out right
depalma: mission to mars

God, he's made so many bad films, but Mission is certainly one of them.

[notbob]

Post by far out right
who else?

You can't leave out ol' Cecil B!: Unconquered

So bad, it's hilarious. I dare you to keep a straight face when Karloff,
dressed as the worst looking Indian chief you've ever seen, menacingly
utters, "You ...will ...all ...die". Whatta hoot! ...specially if you've
had a few tokes.

nb

[ordosclan]

Post by far out right
kubrick: spartacus*

The moon landing footage.

Post by far out right
fellini: juliet of the spirits*

_La Strada_. How was this movie even "fellini" except for that
strange sound that would happen at different parts. But I havent seen
Juliet of the spirits.

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

Holy shit. That movie ruled. The prune juice scene.

Post by far out right
coppola: one from the heart

He's got a underground porn out there. Probably his worse stuff.

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

Anything by Lee. Bleah. You try that shit he was promoting:

www.absolutedirector.com or something? Make your own movie online.

Post by far out right
hitchcock: topaz

Like fellini's _ La strada _ hitchcocks earlyer studio controlled
stuff was crap.

Post by far out right
woo: bullet in the head

You didnt see: The big hit? I think he would have directed this one
if it wasnt for contractual issues.

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Tarantino sucks.

Post by far out right
scorsese: cape fear

Gahahah cape fear.

Post by far out right
who else?

Argento: Susperia(sp?)

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[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by ordosclan

Post by far out right
kubrick: spartacus*

The moon landing footage.

Post by far out right
fellini: juliet of the spirits*

_La Strada_. How was this movie even "fellini" except for that
strange sound that would happen at different parts. But I havent seen
Juliet of the spirits.

Post by far out right
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)

Holy shit. That movie ruled. The prune juice scene.

Box office failure.

Post by ordosclan

Post by far out right
coppola: one from the heart

Excellent soundtrack though.

Post by ordosclan
He's got a underground porn out there. Probably his worse stuff.

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

His earlier work was good. Then he made the one about the dying
mother. I couldn't get into it.
Maybe Do the Right thing was his high water mark.

Post by ordosclan
www.absolutedirector.com or something? Make your own movie online.

Post by far out right
hitchcock: topaz

Like fellini's _ La strada _ hitchcocks earlyer studio controlled
stuff was crap.

Post by far out right
woo: bullet in the head

You didnt see: The big hit? I think he would have directed this one
if it wasnt for contractual issues.

Big Hit was better than Mission Impossible 2. I still think Ving
Rhames should have been Tom Cruise's love interest.

Post by ordosclan

Post by far out right
tarantino: pulp fiction*

Tarantino sucks.

As an actor, writer or director?
True Romance was great, writer.
Destiny turns on the radio and Desperado ( Hell may as well throw in
the vampire film and his Top Gun rant from say anything) were good
roles ( Hell forgot his work on Alias;-) ).
I have no problem with him as director either. For some reason,
despite being mainstream, he still has a cult brand to his work.

Post by ordosclan

Post by far out right
scorsese: cape fear

Gahahah cape fear.

Post by far out right
who else?

Argento: Susperia(sp?)

"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

Huh? The only really good thing he did.

[toad]

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

Huh? The only really good thing he did.

I know. seems to me the original poster is just trying to be controversial
instead of astounding us with his expertise. I haven't seen every spike
film, but off the top of my head, I don't think I liked He Got Game all that
much. Need to see Girl 6 b/c someone said that sucked. I don't remember
liking Clockers or Crooklyn that much, but been so long, I can't remember.
anyways, there's definitely worst films than do the right thing... just
makes me believe this person is clueless.

he also said pulp fiction was tarantino's worst. well, QT hasn't directed
much and I haven't seen all he's done, but I'd say four rooms was probably
his worst of the few I have seen. I still laugh every time I see that scene
with the rotting corpse of a dead whore, Tim Roth puking, and a needle stuck
in his leg. But a lot of that movie was garbage, especially Tarantino's
acting. "It's krys-staaal". he's a crappy actor. He ought to refrane from
including himself in his movies.

Pulp Fiction: "I don't need you to tell me how good my fucking coffee is, I
know how good my coffee is."

what an idiot.

Reservoir Dogs: "I don't want to be Mr. Brown, that sounds too much like
mr. shit".

dork. my god, does he even realize how lousy an actor he is?

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by toad

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by far out right
lee: do the right thing

Huh? The only really good thing he did.

I know. seems to me the original poster is just trying to be controversial
instead of astounding us with his expertise. I haven't seen every spike
film, but off the top of my head, I don't think I liked He Got Game all that
much. Need to see Girl 6 b/c someone said that sucked. I don't remember
liking Clockers or Crooklyn that much, but been so long, I can't remember.
anyways, there's definitely worst films than do the right thing... just
makes me believe this person is clueless.

Clockers, School Daze, Jungle Fever,Mo Better Blues, Summer of Sam,
Bamboozled, Original Kings of Comedy and 25th hour are all very good.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000490/
Big filmography and other credits. Lots to choose from in the love
hate relationship.

"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Evil Wizard Glick
Clockers, School Daze, Jungle Fever,Mo Better Blues, Summer of Sam,
Bamboozled, Original Kings of Comedy and 25th hour are all very good.

No there not. At least not all. And none of them as good as Do the Right
Thing.

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by Evil Wizard Glick
Clockers, School Daze, Jungle Fever,Mo Better Blues, Summer of Sam,
Bamboozled, Original Kings of Comedy and 25th hour are all very good.

No there not. At least not all. And none of them as good as Do the Right
Thing.

Bull!
It is arguable that Do the Right thing is Lee's best work. Most of the
above are JUST AS good. With the rest being very good.
Of course it all boils down to perspective, and each has their own.
Obviously if I had smoked a rock before posting I probably would have
made the claims you did.
Luckily I didn't.

"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Evil Wizard Glick

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by Evil Wizard Glick
Clockers, School Daze, Jungle Fever,Mo Better Blues, Summer of Sam,
Bamboozled, Original Kings of Comedy and 25th hour are all very good.

No there not. At least not all. And none of them as good as Do the Right
Thing.

Bull!
It is arguable that Do the Right thing is Lee's best work. Most of the
above are JUST AS good. With the rest being very good.
Of course it all boils down to perspective, and each has their own.
Obviously if I had smoked a rock before posting I probably would have
made the claims you did.
Luckily I didn't.

I really have never seen any Spike Lee film that was as focused as Do
the Right Thing. Ok, I also liked She's gotta have it and Mo Better
Blues (both unmentioned above) but some of the titles mentioned are
really enbarising. School Daze didn't work. I would think everybody
would agree on that. Bamboozled was even worse. A piece of crap. Even
the acting was horrible.

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by Evil Wizard Glick

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by Evil Wizard Glick
Clockers, School Daze, Jungle Fever,Mo Better Blues, Summer of Sam,
Bamboozled, Original Kings of Comedy and 25th hour are all very good.

No there not. At least not all. And none of them as good as Do the Right
Thing.

Bull!
It is arguable that Do the Right thing is Lee's best work. Most of the
above are JUST AS good. With the rest being very good.
Of course it all boils down to perspective, and each has their own.
Obviously if I had smoked a rock before posting I probably would have
made the claims you did.
Luckily I didn't.

I really have never seen any Spike Lee film that was as focused as Do
the Right Thing. Ok, I also liked She's gotta have it and Mo Better
Blues (both unmentioned above) but some of the titles mentioned are
really enbarising. School Daze didn't work. I would think everybody
would agree on that. Bamboozled was even worse. A piece of crap. Even
the acting was horrible.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/356.html
"Yet, this is one of Spike Lee's most reserved cinematic offerings. It
has very little of the "Look at ME!" NY Film School cinematic
grandstanding Mr. Lee usually traffics in. The camera is almost
sedate, the palette he works in -- somber, with muted tones (lots of
blacks and grays). And, while almost every "Spike Lee Joint" has been
sex saturated -- the nudity and animalistic sex gratuitous -- this one
is curiously asexual, as if the film itself had been castrated. Lee
purposely sidesteps a naturally evolved (within the context of the
movie) sexual attraction between Savion Glover and Jada Pinkett. The
true measure of Mr. Lee's serious intent, however, is that he doesn't
show up on screen. There is no superfluous "Spike Lee" character in
this movie (he couldn't even resist injecting himself in the Malcolm X
bio-pic he helmed). Which, perhaps, shows the seriousness of Mr. Lee's
intent."

http://dir.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2000/10/06/bamboozled/index.html
"Spike Lee's explosive, near-masterpiece media satire balances between
brilliance and incoherence."




"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

The camera is almost sedate, the palette he works in -- somber, with muted

tones
It was shot on consumer equipment. It looked like a homevideo.

near-masterpiece

LOL. What an idiots.

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by Martin koolhoven

The camera is almost sedate, the palette he works in -- somber, with muted

tones
It was shot on consumer equipment. It looked like a homevideo.

near-masterpiece

LOL. What an idiots.

Don't know. I'm not a film student or film school grad. The movie had
a message though.
Meaning is always important. Clear meaning not obscured by false
artistic sophistry.


"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Evil Wizard Glick

Post by Martin koolhoven

The camera is almost sedate, the palette he works in -- somber, with muted

tones
It was shot on consumer equipment. It looked like a homevideo.

near-masterpiece

LOL. What an idiots.

Don't know. I'm not a film student or film school grad. The movie had
a message though.

Not just that. It rubbes it in. The film is as ambiguous as a coca cola
commercial.

[Evil Wizard Glick]

Post by Martin koolhoven

Post by Evil Wizard Glick

Post by Martin koolhoven

The camera is almost sedate, the palette he works in -- somber, with muted

tones
It was shot on consumer equipment. It looked like a homevideo.

near-masterpiece

LOL. What an idiots.

Don't know. I'm not a film student or film school grad. The movie had
a message though.

Not just that. It rubbes it in. The film is as ambiguous as a coca cola
commercial.

And? Strong messages are good. Watch Skins for example.

"we are not ninja, just because we are asian and dress fashionably in all black..."
Brainsmasher

[Martin koolhoven]

Post by Evil Wizard Glick
And? Strong messages are good

American?

[zenophile]

Post by far out right
kubrick: spartacus*

Spartacus was a great movie - if not exactly, or even
approximately, historically accurate.

Post by far out right
fellini: juliet of the spirits*

Juliet of the Spirits is a masterpiece.

I think your taste stinks.

[Tweek]

DePalma's worst film is not Mission to Mars. His worst is most definitely
1998's Snake Eyes. The trailer gave away so much that I thought it must be
an attempt to mislead the audience. Turns out the trailer did indeed give
away the entire plot and every "twist" in the movie. The fact that the
trailer gives away all the details is moot, since the movie is so
straightforward and predictable that you'd figure it out beforehand anyways.

Spielberg's worst is definitely Hook. It's ugly, boring, and represents many
of the sad new trends in late-80s/early-90s culture.

Friedkin's The Hunted has got to be his most rote, safe, predictable work.
It starts promisingly, with some very dark material, then turns into a
rather lame fusion of Rambo and The Fugitive. There is a chase scene through
an urban shopping area in the middle of the film that turns comical. There
is a lot of jump-cutting between shots of Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del
Toro running through malls, open plazas, and stuff, with Benicio sometimes
hiding thanks to his "uncanny ability to blend into almost any environment."
At one point, he grabs a grey blanket and leans up against a wall. Tommy Lee
Jones runs right by him! The way it's edited, I expect to see Jones run past
a Del Toro who has disguised himself by posing as the "dad mannequin" in a
Weber BBQ Grill store display: chef hat and apron on, spatula in hand,
strange frozen pose. Picture his eyes leering from left to right as Jones
crosses the frame. LOL. At the climax of the chase, Tommy Lee Jones runs to
catch up to a train as it departs from the station. This happens a lot in
movies, but the way it's edited here makes it look like 60 year-old Jones
can do about 50 MPH.

--
Tweek

[Stephen Cooke]

Post by Tweek
Friedkin's The Hunted has got to be his most rote, safe, predictable work.

It's no The Guardian, that's for sure.

swac

[toad]

definitely subjective.

many loved pulp fiction

i like cape fear a lot. counselor, come out come out wherever you are.

DeNiro's a badass.

many of these films you mention I haven't even seen. I hate woody Allen
movies and won't bother wasting my time watching them all just to say which
is his worse.

Anyways, you have your opinion. I'm sure many will agree on some and
disagree on others.

Post by far out right
some of these directors were/are so great that even their worst wasn't
necessarily disgraceful, even good. however, what do you consider
their worst?
if marked with asterick(*), it means i still think the movie has
artistic merit.
also, i haven't seen all of their movies so there could, of course, be
worse. for example, has anyone seen sanshiro sugata pt II?
kurosawa: dodeskaden*
kubrick: spartacus*
antonioni: passenger*
woody allen: another woman
bergman: passion of anna*
fellini: juliet of the spirits*
peckinpah: bring me al's head
godard: detective
truffaut: man who loved women
rivette: l'amour fou*
spielberg: 1941*(has few great scenes)
friedkin: guardian
coppola: one from the heart
lee: do the right thing
welles: f for fake*
hitchcock: topaz
ford: donovon's reefer*
kazan: splendor in the grass
altman: ready to wear
rohmer: perceval
woo: bullet in the head
wong kar wai: chunking express(what's the big deal?)
lean: ryan's daughter*
suzuki: pistol opera*
takeshi: brother*
tarantino: pulp fiction*
oshima: max mon amor
bertolucci: little buddha
pasolini: toss up between teorema and salo.
ackerman: anything
campion: portrait of a lady
scorsese: cape fear
depalma: mission to mars
who else?