OT: Flu jabs

[GB]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

[ARW]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

I believe that as I now have turned 50 I can have one.

I have no intentions of making the effort of booking one but if the GP
offers I'll have one.

If covid boosters are recommended for young people like myself I'll book
a booster.


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I'm not sure about Flu, but the covid one would seem to be respectful of
others.
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Post by ARW

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

I believe that as I now have turned 50 I can have one.
I have no intentions of making the effort of booking one but if the GP
offers I'll have one.
If covid boosters are recommended for young people like myself I'll book a
booster.
--
Adam

[Bob Eager]

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
I'm not sure about Flu, but the covid one would seem to be respectful of
others.

It doesn't apparently stop transmission. So there is an argument for
letting anti-vaxxers get on with it.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by Bob Eager
It doesn't apparently stop transmission. So there is an argument for
letting anti-vaxxers get on with it.

My information suggests that whilst it doesn't stop transmission, it
drastically reduces the possibility of transmission. The anti's will be
much more inclined to both catch it and to pass it on to others.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Bob Eager
It doesn't apparently stop transmission. So there is an argument for
letting anti-vaxxers get on with it.

My information suggests that whilst it doesn't stop transmission, it
drastically reduces the possibility of transmission. The anti's will be
much more inclined to both catch it and to pass it on to others.

...and to die with burbling lungs full of water, in intensive care

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by The Natural Philosopher
...and to die with burbling lungs full of water, in intensive care

Quite! But their choice.

[Steve Walker]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
I'm not sure about Flu, but the covid one would seem to be respectful of
others.

It doesn't apparently stop transmission. So there is an argument for
letting anti-vaxxers get on with it.

It reduces the likelihood of catching it and therefore of passing it to
someone else though. Even if vaccinated people get it, having less
severe symptoms may well mean less coughing or sneezing and therefore
less projection of droplets to others.

[72y33]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
I'm not sure about Flu, but the covid one would seem to be respectful of
others.

It doesn't apparently stop transmission.

It does drastically reduce transmission.

So there is an argument for

Post by Bob Eager
letting anti-vaxxers get on with it.

Nope.

[Peeler]

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[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

I accepted my first one last year, I rejected it each year before then.
I have mine booked already for this year, due next month.

[Figaro]

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Yes booked for the 17th September. Had a text from the surgery asking
if I wanted one, replied 'Yes' and they phoned me a couple of days
later to fix a booking.

[Steve Walker]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not yet. I'm expecting to be invited soon.

[Dex]

Post by Steve Walker

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not yet. I'm expecting to be invited soon.

You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to
wait for the surgery to ask.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to wait
for the surgery to ask.

Our local pharmacy is offering it too, but I understand it is
chargeable for the under 65's.

[Andrew]

Post by Dex
You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to
wait for the surgery to ask.

Our local pharmacy is offering it too, but I understand it is chargeable
for the under 65's.

FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Andrew

Post by Dex
You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to
wait for the surgery to ask.

Our local pharmacy is offering it too, but I understand it is chargeable
for the under 65's.

FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I'm inclined to agree.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

[Andrew]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18), defence,
air-traffic control, a criminal justice system, public health,
emergency services,the works. There is no pot of money with
your name on it buried somewhere in a computer file.

There are 560,000 over age 85. All were retired in May 1997 when
NuLab quadrupled both the NHS budget (for their free benefit) and
also quadrupled (and some) their house prices. When this group were
paying taxes, *none* of todays gobsmackingly expensive drugs that
can cost £thousands for a course existed. Their life expectancy
was incorrectly assumed by ONS to be 10-15 years less than has
actually turned out. That means 10 to 15 years more pension and
free NHS which their working-life taxes never paid for. If they
are retired public servants with a solid gold RPI linked pension
(that they paid from 6% down to 0%) then its an even bigger
bonus.

[tim...]

Post by Andrew

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and NI,
during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18),

no, it doesn't work assigning the cost of education to the parents

families are different sizes, some will have zero children and some families
will have 8 or 9.

But it doesn't affect the tax that they pay

So the only fair way to allocate the cost of education is against the
individual even though the aren't paying tax at the time

so everybody accrues a debit on their account for this cost, before they
become a tax payer..

[Andrew]

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18),

no, it doesn't work assigning the cost of education to the parents
families are different sizes, some will have zero children and some
families will have 8 or 9.
But it doesn't affect the tax that they pay

anyone with 8 or 9 kids isn't paying *any* (net) tax unless they are
earning well over £100K/year. They are freeloading and clearly don't
give a stuff about 'global warming' because they are causing it (by
having too many kids, who then need even more of the worlds finite
resources).

[Steve Walker]

Post by Andrew

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax
and NI, during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18),

no, it doesn't work assigning the cost of education to the parents
families are different sizes, some will have zero children and some
families will have 8 or 9.
But it doesn't affect the tax that they pay

anyone with 8 or 9 kids isn't paying *any* (net) tax unless they are
earning well over £100K/year. They are freeloading and clearly don't
give a stuff about 'global warming' because they are causing it (by
having too many kids, who then need even more of the worlds finite
resources).

But, hopefully one day, those kids will be contributing.

[Alex]

Post by Steve Walker

Post by Andrew

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18),

no, it doesn't work assigning the cost of education to the parents
families are different sizes, some will have zero children and some
families will have 8 or 9.
But it doesn't affect the tax that they pay

anyone with 8 or 9 kids isn't paying *any* (net) tax unless they are
earning well over £100K/year. They are freeloading and clearly don't
give a stuff about 'global warming' because they are causing it (by
having too many kids, who then need even more of the worlds finite
resources).

But, hopefully one day, those kids will be contributing.

More likely they will be freeloading too.

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Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18),

no, it doesn't work assigning the cost of education to the parents
families are different sizes, some will have zero children and some
families will have 8 or 9.
But it doesn't affect the tax that they pay

It does actually because of the child deductions etc.

Post by tim...
So the only fair way to allocate the cost of education is against the
individual even though the aren't paying tax at the time

But even that isn't fair because some cost a lot more to educate than
others.

Post by tim...
so everybody accrues a debit on their account for this cost, before they
become a tax payer..

Still not fair. Nothing can be. There is no way to allow
for those who aren't very employable and so need to
go on the dole periodically or who are so careless
about what they shovel into their mouths that they
end up costing the NHS a hell of a lot more etc.

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[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by Andrew
BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18), defence,
air-traffic control, a criminal justice system, public health,
emergency services,the works. There is no pot of money with
your name on it buried somewhere in a computer file.

Once again for the slow to understand, at the back there - no one
suggested that the governement stored my NI and tax contributions - it
was used for all of those things you mentioned and for my parents
retirement, just as the younger workers of today will be paying my
pension and etc.. Basically I have contributed my share to the system,
now it's the systems turn to look after me.

The BS comes from you.

[Andrew]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
BS. You paid tax and NI to pay for all the things you took for
granted long before you retired, like roads, unlimited free NHS,
free education for your kids (£65,000 *each* 5-18), defence,
air-traffic control, a criminal justice system, public health,
emergency services,the works. There is no pot of money with
your name on it buried somewhere in a computer file.

Once again for the slow to understand, at the back there - no one
suggested that the governement stored my NI and tax contributions - it
was used for all of those things you mentioned and for my parents
retirement, just as the younger workers of today will be paying my
pension and etc.. Basically I have contributed my share to the system,
now it's the systems turn to look after me.
The BS comes from you.

You contribution was based on false data from the ONS regarding
life expectancy. This was used to underpin tax and NI rates
from 1948 right up to 1990 which were unargueably too low which
is why we now have £2 trillion in debt. This will get a lot worse
when the baby boomers are into their 80's and hammering at the
NHS door for 'free' hips, knees, eye repairs, heart valves, the
works.

[Fredxx]

Post by Andrew
You contribution was based on false data from the ONS regarding
life expectancy. This was used to underpin tax and NI rates
from 1948 right up to 1990 which were unargueably too low which
is why we now have £2 trillion in debt.

Whilst I appreciate that, had my NI and tax contibutions been invested,
then they would no doubt be well in surplus - so I don't feel at all
guilty getting all of the little I am entiled to.

I'm sure many contributors' funds would be in net surplus. That is how
the system works. Your generation simply paid in too little, and you
retired too early.

You've obviously been lucky, and have been able to work with good pay
and retire in good health. Many haven't been so fortunate.

Your post says quite a lot about your selfish side.

[Steve Walker]

Post by Fredxx

Post by Andrew
You contribution was based on false data from the ONS regarding
life expectancy. This was used to underpin tax and NI rates
from 1948 right up to 1990 which were unargueably too low which
is why we now have £2 trillion in debt.

Whilst I appreciate that, had my NI and tax contibutions been
invested, then they would no doubt be well in surplus - so I don't
feel at all guilty getting all of the little I am entiled to.

I'm sure many contributors' funds would be in net surplus. That is how
the system works. Your generation simply paid in too little, and you
retired too early.

The problem is that overall, the Baby Boomers probably were paying
enough - if it had been invested - but of course it wasn't, as it was
paying for the previous generations, who'd not contributed over much (or
all) of their working lives, as the NHS had not existed then.

[tim...]

Post by Steve Walker

Post by Fredxx

Post by Andrew
You contribution was based on false data from the ONS regarding
life expectancy. This was used to underpin tax and NI rates
from 1948 right up to 1990 which were unargueably too low which
is why we now have £2 trillion in debt.

Whilst I appreciate that, had my NI and tax contibutions been invested,
then they would no doubt be well in surplus - so I don't feel at all
guilty getting all of the little I am entiled to.

I'm sure many contributors' funds would be in net surplus. That is how
the system works. Your generation simply paid in too little, and you
retired too early.

The problem is that overall, the Baby Boomers probably were paying
enough - if it had been invested

I don't think so

many of these earlier contributions would have been 2 shillings a week,
which even if invested wouldn't have grown sufficiently to meet today's
inflated costs

[tim...]

Post by Andrew
You contribution was based on false data from the ONS regarding
life expectancy. This was used to underpin tax and NI rates
from 1948 right up to 1990 which were unargueably too low which
is why we now have £2 trillion in debt.

Whilst I appreciate that, had my NI and tax contibutions been invested,
then they would no doubt be well in surplus

If you mean because you personally haven't claimed, then that is not how
insurance works, is it?

If insurance worked the way that you suggest then the 0.0001% of people who
house burns down would get a pittance back from their insurance.

You have to look at the whole cohort to see whether the fund is in credit or
deficit, and I would wager (because of inflation) that it would be in
deficit

[Andrew]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
FFS It's only £10. Everyone should pay for it. Stop treating the NHS
like a free bank account.

I have already more than paid for it and many other things in tax and
NI, during my working life.

Yes, but of course none of that money was saved up by the government.
So, any money now being spent on you (or me, as I'm in the same boat) is
coming from the working generation.

Of course none was saved. When the welfare state started in 1948
all the hospitals were nationalised and immediately everyone got
'free' NHS, sickness benefit, state pensions etc despite having not
paid any NI at all. From that moment on all the tax and NI collected
was spent immediately on pensions, NHS and benefits. It too another
39/43 years before most people had a full NI record, but by then the
advent of antibiotics and ever more expensive drugs and treatments meant
people no longer retired at 65 and mostly died within 8 years
(men), most lived a lot longer. This increase in lifespans seems to
have taken the govt completely by surprise. QED When they set NI and
tax rates between 1948 and 1990, they were not actually collecting
enough to allow a surplus to cover the ONS age-span error.

When the ONS error was announced in 2001 (just as G brown went on
his private pension tax grab too) the effect on annuity rates and
private final salary pensions was immediate. The former started
their long car crash and the latter vanished almost overnight.

Of course anyone already on the housing ladder in 1997 has nothing
to worry about. Their house has quadrupled+ in price.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by Andrew
Of course none was saved. When the welfare state started in 1948
all the hospitals were nationalised and immediately everyone got
'free' NHS, sickness benefit, state pensions etc despite having not
paid any NI at all. From that moment on all the tax and NI collected
was spent immediately on pensions, NHS and benefits. It too another
39/43 years before most people had a full NI record, but by then the
advent of antibiotics and ever more expensive drugs and treatments meant
people no longer retired at 65 and mostly died within 8 years
(men), most lived a lot longer. This increase in lifespans seems to
have taken the govt completely by surprise. QED When they set NI and
tax rates between 1948 and 1990, they were not actually collecting
enough to allow a surplus to cover the ONS age-span error.

So when the time comes for you to retire, you will quietly top yourself
rather than be any sort of burden on the system and the younger
generations?

[Andrew]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Andrew
Of course none was saved. When the welfare state started in 1948
all the hospitals were nationalised and immediately everyone got
'free' NHS, sickness benefit, state pensions etc despite having not
paid any NI at all. From that moment on all the tax and NI collected
was spent immediately on pensions, NHS and benefits. It too another
39/43 years before most people had a full NI record, but by then the
advent of antibiotics and ever more expensive drugs and treatments meant
people no longer retired at 65 and mostly died within 8 years
(men), most lived a lot longer. This increase in lifespans seems to
have taken the govt completely by surprise. QED When they set NI and
tax rates between 1948 and 1990, they were not actually collecting
enough to allow a surplus to cover the ONS age-span error.

So when the time comes for you to retire, you will quietly top yourself
rather than be any sort of burden on the system and the younger
generations?

Despite being firmly within IR35 since 2001 I have substantial
savings and don't need to work. Why bother ?. I am part of the
cohort that is net *contributor* and not parasite.

No I'll support myself on my V substantial share ISA income. My
SIPP will be IHT-free (possibly) so I am not touching that - I
don't need to, even though I could have 15 years ago. Nor do I have
to frantically behave like a rate-tart constantly moving deposits
from one loss-making savings account to another. Most of my money is
in the Alliance Trust, Scottish Mortgage (£1.38 -> £14),
WH SMith (£2.50 -> £27), Halma (86p -> £30), AVEVA (£16-> £52 plus
*big* capital return when they merged with Schneider), OXIG (£5-> £27),
3I (£4.80 -> £13), Bodycote (£5 -> £9.50 and huge dividends) with plenty
more in dull stuff like NG, GSK, SMIN, RDSB, BP.
Oh, and some junk like Rolls Royce.

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Yes, but of course none of that money was saved up by the government. So, any
money now being spent on you (or me, as I'm in the same boat) is coming from
the working generation.

Yes, of course - but that doesn't mean that either of us shouldn't take
what little we are legally entitled to.

[GB]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Yes, but of course none of that money was saved up by the government.
So, any money now being spent on you (or me, as I'm in the same boat)
is coming from the working generation.

Yes, of course - but that doesn't mean that either of us shouldn't take
what little we are legally entitled to.

Well, I am doing so, so I hope you are right. :)

[Dex]

Post by Dex
You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to
wait for the surgery to ask.

Our local pharmacy is offering it too, but I understand it is chargeable
for the under 65's.

It's free if you're 50 and over.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

[Robin]

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to do
SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65. I
assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

Timing may matter. Last year over 50s at large only qualified for free
jabs from 1 December. I've not seen this year's rules.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Robin
Last year over 50s at large only qualified for free
jabs from 1 December. I've not seen this year's rules.

Last year was the first year I qualified for a flu jab (because of the
over 50's rule) this year I was offered it again.

[charles]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

I think it's a different vaccine for the "under 65s". They may only have
the one for "over 65s" in stock.

[Dex]

Post by charles

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

I think it's a different vaccine for the "under 65s". They may only have
the one for "over 65s" in stock.

Placebos, they want to keep pension payments to a minimum. :)

[Andrew]

Post by Dex

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

I think it's a different vaccine for the "under 65s".  They may only have
the one for "over 65s" in stock.

Placebos, they want to keep pension payments to a minimum. :)

The only things that are genuinely 'free' are the sun, wind, rain,
annual seasons and insects to pollinate and clear away detritus.

Everything else has a cost (to someone).

[Adam Funk]

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

The minimum age for the free one definitely used to be higher; I think
it was reduced to 50 in autumn 2020.

[Rod Speed]

Post by Adam Funk

Post by Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to
do SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65.
I assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

The minimum age for the free one definitely used to be higher; I think
it was reduced to 50 in autumn 2020.

Just in time for flu to be much less of a problem.

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[tim...]

Post by Dex
It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I stand corrected. I got an invite call, during which they offered to do
SWMBO at the same time, until they realised she was (just) under 65. I
assumed from that, that it wasn't free for under 65's.

It's the winter during which you will become 65 by March 31st

so 64 and a half's get it free from the previous October.

That's the normal rule. Last year they changed it to 50 YO. I presume that
rule change is persisting, but it might not.

[tim...]

Post by Dex

Post by Dex
You can just phone one of your local pharmacies to book it, no need to
wait for the surgery to ask.

Our local pharmacy is offering it too, but I understand it is chargeable
for the under 65's.

It's free if you're 50 and over.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

only if you've been invited to a booked appointment

if you just turn up at a walk in centre and ask to be jabbed, I believe that
you have to pay - whatever your eligibility.

[John Rumm]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Had a text from the GP saying they were doing a couple of clinic open
days - no need to book just roll up.

(they have been doing COVID jabs the same way recently - not been any
queue of note)
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John.

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[charles]

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

MIne is booked for Saturday

[nightjar]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

I'm not expecting my usual invite for a while:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/03/gp-surgeries-in-england-cancel-flu-jabs-amid-shortage-of-vaccine

[Robin]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

free NHS vaccinations for over 65s not yet on offer here from - GP or
from pharmacies

[Chris Bacon]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2 "booster",
IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to be October or
early November.

[ARW]

Post by Chris Bacon

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2 "booster",
IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to be October or
early November.

When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"

Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.

Boosters may be different.

--

Adam

[misterroy]

Post by ARW

Post by Chris Bacon

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2 "booster",
IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to be October or
early November.

When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"
Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.
Boosters may be different.
--
Adam

Teacher, getting it at work on a drop in basis.

[Andrew]

Post by ARW

Post by Chris Bacon

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2
"booster", IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to
be October or early November.

When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"
Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.
Boosters may be different.
--
Adam

If you had Covid (as you told us) and had minimal symptoms then
there is a strong possibility that a flu jab might be waste of
time for you. Your own natural defences are on the ball.

[charles]

Post by ARW

Post by Chris Bacon

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2 "booster",
IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to be October
or early November.

When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"
Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.

I think they want you to have it in the other arm

[Paul]

Post by charles

Post by ARW

Post by Chris Bacon

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

It's likely I'll have one at the same time as the SARS-CoV-2 "booster",
IF I'm offered one, that is. Failing that, it's likely to be October
or early November.

When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"
Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.

I think they want you to have it in the other arm

The important thing to note, is there are rules.

Just ask, and they'll tell you what the rules are.

The seasonal flu jab, is different than the typical COVID ones.

https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/vaccination/types-of-seasonal-influenza-vaccine

inactivated influenza vaccines (IIV)

Paul

[Andy Burns]

Post by ARW
When I went for my Covid jabs they asked "Have you had a flu jab in the
last 14 days?"
Not sure why but I wonder if you could not have had both within a 2 week
period.
Boosters may be different.

There was talk (but not heard it repeated lately) that we'd get flu jab
in one arm, and covid booster in the other in single appointment.
Sounds too late to organise that now, if it's a good idea to start with.

[Bob Eager]

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Booked. Ten days time.

[Andrew]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.

2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

[charles]

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

I had a bad attack of flu in the late 1950s. I don't want it again, thank
you.

[Andrew]

Post by charles

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

I had a bad attack of flu in the late 1950s. I don't want it again, thank
you.

I'll wager you won't. Your normal defence mechanism never forgets.

[charles]

Post by Andrew

Post by charles

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and 2018. The
first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy for a couple
more days. The first one was brought back by my female boss from
France where she went for a dirty weekend. 2nd probably caught from
someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling on the
Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and City of London
for 30+ years.

I had a bad attack of flu in the late 1950s. I don't want it again,
thank you.

I'll wager you won't. Your normal defence mechanism never forgets.

Flue changes - I have had my annual jab for the last 15 years.

[Andrew]

Post by charles

Post by Andrew

Post by charles

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and 2018. The
first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy for a couple
more days. The first one was brought back by my female boss from
France where she went for a dirty weekend. 2nd probably caught from
someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling on the
Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and City of London
for 30+ years.

I had a bad attack of flu in the late 1950s. I don't want it again,
thank you.

I'll wager you won't. Your normal defence mechanism never forgets.

Flue changes - I have had my annual jab for the last 15 years.

But there was no flu in the southern hemisphere, so whatever 'brew'
they are going to use for this years flu jabs will be a wild guess.
Normally they use the down-under winter flu to get an idea of what
comes our way.

[ARW]

Post by Andrew

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

You have only had flu three times?

I know people that have a day off work suffering from it three times a
year. Oddly enough it's always on a Monday - or a Tuesday if it's a Bank
Holiday:-).

I have had flu twice and I knew about it.

--

Adam

[Andrew]

Post by ARW

Post by Andrew

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

You have only had flu three times?

Yes. I've had the lurgies plenty of times since, what nursy would
call 'man flu'. Real flu symptoms are unforgettable.

Post by ARW
I know people that have a day off work suffering from it three times a
year. Oddly enough it's always on a Monday - or a Tuesday if it's a Bank
Holiday:-).
I have had flu twice and I knew about it.
--
Adam

Has toby? had his feline flu jab ?.

[ARW]

Post by Andrew
Has toby? had his feline flu jab ?.

Not since before Covid.

--

Adam

[Paul]

Post by Andrew

Post by ARW

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

You have only had flu three times?

Yes. I've had the lurgies plenty of times since, what nursy would
call 'man flu'. Real flu symptoms are unforgettable.

Flu is like the weather. It's doing the same thing as COVID.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51097-w

Kickoff of Covid

https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/2020/01/phylogenetic-analysis-shows-novel-wuhan-coronavirus-clusters-with-sars

Phylogenic tree for Covid as it spread around the world.
Some parts of the world had one variant (bottom portion of tree),
while other parts of the world had a different variant.

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Like influenza, one variant can become dominant, kicking
other variants to the curb, and that would be Delta in some
parts of the world at the current time. But it's not the
only variant, and if we checked, perhaps Peru has something
different. Your local news tends to accentuate the reporting
of the local flavor.

Each of these things, has a different mutation rate.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2017.118

"The evolution of seasonal influenza viruses is an important
source of disease burden, as it allows for the reinfection
of previously infected or vaccinated individuals"
...
"Influenza virus vaccines can provide effective protection against
infection when they are well matched to circulating viruses, but
there remains scope for improving vaccine production and delivery
to achieve better effectiveness"

The latter is partially, the long time to produce doses using
the chicken egg based method. You have to define the vaccine
target, well ahead of the actual season. On one particular season, the
vaccine was only 10% effective or so (a swing and a miss).

How will they do their seasonal flu vaccine planning this year,
when so few got the flu last year ? (Mask wearing, presumably)

Paul

[Andrew]

Post by Paul

Post by Andrew

Post by ARW

Post by Andrew

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.
This is despite commuting from Sussex up to London, travelling
on the Victoria line to Kings X, Whitechapel, Hammersmith and
City of London for 30+ years.

You have only had flu three times?

Yes. I've had the lurgies plenty of times since, what nursy would
call 'man flu'. Real flu symptoms are unforgettable.

Flu is like the weather. It's doing the same thing as COVID.

<snip>

Post by Paul
How will they do their seasonal flu vaccine planning this year,
when so few got the flu last year ? (Mask wearing, presumably)

Precisely. How indeed. It's yet another example of 'Project Fear' by
the men from the ministry.

Post by Paul
   Paul

[Tim Streater]

Post by ARW
I know people that have a day off work suffering from it three times a
year. Oddly enough it's always on a Monday - or a Tuesday if it's a Bank
Holiday:-).
I have had flu twice and I knew about it.

Flu will put you in bed for a week. Actual flu, that is.

[72y33]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by ARW
I know people that have a day off work suffering from it three times a
year. Oddly enough it's always on a Monday - or a Tuesday if it's a Bank
Holiday:-).
I have had flu twice and I knew about it.

Flu will put you in bed for a week. Actual flu, that is.

If that’s true I have never had it and have never had a flu jab.

[Peeler]

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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

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[tim...]

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

How do you know it was flu and not just a cold?

[Tim Streater]

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

How do you know it was flu and not just a cold?

Actual flu puts you to bed and reduces your ability to think clearly. Colds
don't do that.

[Steve Walker]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

How do you know it was flu and not just a cold?

Actual flu puts you to bed and reduces your ability to think clearly. Colds
don't do that.

Yes. Proper flu puts you to bed and you don't move out of it, at all,
except for bathroom calls, for 3 or 4 days! There is no doubt when you
have had it.

[Vir Campestris]

Post by Steve Walker
Yes. Proper flu puts you to bed and you don't move out of it, at all,
except for bathroom calls, for 3 or 4 days! There is no doubt when you
have had it.

The old "joke" is that if you are in bed with 'flu, and a fifty pound
note lands on your windowsill - if you get up to pick it up you don't
have 'flu.

My wife had 'flu a few years back when were were on Tenerife. We had a
hire car, and she was just about OK to sit in the car. She recalls me
going on about marvellous scenery in one area, but doesn't remember the
scenery at all. No idea why I didn't get it.

When she got back to work in a school one of the kids was dead.
Presumably this is where my wife caught it.

We both have the jab booked.

Andy

[Andrew]

Post by Steve Walker

Post by Tim Streater

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

How do you know it was flu and not just a cold?

Actual flu puts you to bed and reduces your ability to think clearly. Colds
don't do that.

Yes. Proper flu puts you to bed and you don't move out of it, at all,
except for bathroom calls, for 3 or 4 days! There is no doubt when you
have had it.

I had proper flu in 1979 and 1983 and the bed-ridden symptoms lasted
about 24 to 36 hours for me followed by quite rapid recovery.

[Andrew]

Post by tim...

Post by Andrew

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Not me. never had a flu jab. Had flu 3 times, 1979, 1983 and
2018. The first 2 were horrible but only lasted a day then groggy
for a couple more days. The first one was brought back by my
female boss from France where she went for a dirty weekend.
2nd probably caught from someone in The London Hosp.
2018 was nowhere near as bad but lasted about 4 days.

How do you know it was flu and not just a cold?

I had the classical violent shivering and aching muscles and
felt pretty lethargic for 48 hours. And a sudden sneezing
coughing fit preceded it. Almost exactly 7 days, to the hour
earlier I was on a train to Cumbria when a bloke sitting
opposite me suddenly exploded with the same coughing and
sneezing fit. Definately not a cold.

[Pamela]

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Are you aware there's been a delay due to the lorry driver shortage?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58442611

[Michael Chare]

Post by Pamela

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Are you aware there's been a delay due to the lorry driver shortage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58442611

Yes I have been told.

According to our local Patient Participation Group, the Practice has
reported, “We are still awaiting our flu vaccination delivery and have
been advised that this is currently delayed by 1-2 weeks due to freight
movement problems. We will update you and our phone message ASAP. We
will open clinics to booking as soon as we have our delivery. Regarding
Covid boosters, we are still waiting for advice and instruction from NHS
England and the Department of Health."

[GB]

Post by Pamela

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Are you aware there's been a delay due to the lorry driver shortage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58442611

Yes, aware of the lorry shortage, and that's why I asked. It's very
interesting how varied it is. Some people are getting vaccinated this
week, whilst others can't currently get a vaccine at all.

[JNugent]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

Our surgery sent out "invites to book" a couple of months ago. Since the
NHS site said that was far too early for best cover, we ignored it until
just now. They are currently "not taking bookings owing to shortage of
vaccine", but also saying "you could go to a pharmacy". I did that a
couple of years ago because they were totally disorganised. I guess now
they are trying to maximise their income.

A week on Tuesday at the local pharmacy.

[charles]

Post by JNugent

Post by GB
Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked? Or had theirs already?

Our surgery sent out "invites to book" a couple of months ago. Since the
NHS site said that was far too early for best cover, we ignored it until
just now. They are currently "not taking bookings owing to shortage of
vaccine", but also saying "you could go to a pharmacy". I did that a
couple of years ago because they were totally disorganised. I guess now
they are trying to maximise their income.

A week on Tuesday at the local pharmacy.

I had mine this morning. Administered by one of the GPs.

[Bob Minchin]

Have many people on this NG got flu jabs booked?  Or had theirs already?

SWMBO and I use different surgeries but both said on Farcebook that they
were sending out appt. letters w/c 6-9-21.
However a recent post on FB has said they are experiencing problems
getting a firm delivery date for flu vaccines and will delay the letters
until they know when they are likely to get stock.

Bob