Jane Wyman?

[d***@comcast.net]

Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

[Bill Schenley]

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at
92. OK, that's Wiki, but there's also a couple
messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack
today.

Maybe she ran off with Robert Earl Jones ...

[Barbara Sherrill]

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

I just checked CNN and FOX they have nothing about her... so hopefully she
will not be on topic for several more years or longer.

Barbara

[wazzzy]

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

Wiki has now removed her death pending verification

[Laurie Mann]

Post by wazzzy

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

Wiki has now removed her death pending verification

No mention yet at any local Palm Springs TV or newspaper Web sites.

No mention yet through Google news.

No mention on Michael Reagan's Web site.

Doesn't mean it's not true (especially if it happened today) but it's
just not verified.


Laurie Mann
Dead People Server
http://www.deadpeople.info

[wazzzy]

Post by Laurie Mann

Post by wazzzy

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

Wiki has now removed her death pending verification

No mention yet at any local Palm Springs TV or newspaper Web sites.
No mention yet through Google news.
No mention on Michael Reagan's Web site.
Doesn't mean it's not true (especially if it happened today) but it's
just not verified.
Laurie Mann
Dead People Server
http://www.deadpeople.info

the original poster @ IMDb said:

Now why would I joke about something like that...Like one of you said,
it was on BBC...They showed a picture of Jane(I think it was from All
That Heaven Allows) and the woman said that her son informed the press
that she has died...The news are not on the web because it's weekend,
but I'm sure that you'll find some articles tomorrow!

[King Daevid MacKenzie]

Post by wazzzy
Now why would I joke about something like that...Like one of you said,
it was on BBC...They showed a picture of Jane(I think it was from All
That Heaven Allows) and the woman said that her son informed the press
that she has died...The news are not on the web because it's weekend,
but I'm sure that you'll find some articles tomorrow!

...absolutely nothing at news.bbc.co.uk for years, let alone today...

[Hyfler/Rosner]

Post by King Daevid MacKenzie

Post by wazzzy
Now why would I joke about something like that...Like one
of you said,
it was on BBC...They showed a picture of Jane(I think it
was from All
That Heaven Allows) and the woman said that her son
informed the press
that she has died...The news are not on the web because
it's weekend,
but I'm sure that you'll find some articles tomorrow!

...absolutely nothing at news.bbc.co.uk for years, let
alone today...

I've email Bob Chaundy at the BBC. He'll be awake soon, I'm
sure.

[Jim Beaver]

Post by King Daevid MacKenzie

Post by wazzzy
Now why would I joke about something like that...Like one of you said,
it was on BBC...They showed a picture of Jane(I think it was from All
That Heaven Allows) and the woman said that her son informed the press
that she has died...The news are not on the web because it's weekend,
but I'm sure that you'll find some articles tomorrow!

...absolutely nothing at news.bbc.co.uk for years, let alone today...

I've email Bob Chaundy at the BBC. He'll be awake soon, I'm sure.

I don't want to engage in rumormongering, but I have always wondered about
something. In the Eighties, when I worked for Films in Review magazine, an
editor there who was supposedly a great friend of a number of Golden Age
stars, told me emphatically and repeatedly that Wyman was a lesbian and had
at one time (and I do mean at one time) been involved with Barbara Stanwyck
and another familiar name which I've now forgotten (I seem to recall it was
a familiar name because of marriage to a truly famous person, not from the
woman's own independent fame). I heard a great deal of "detail" about this
triotic relationship from my friend. But I've never heard a single word of
rumor or hint of support for the notion since then. So... has anyone else
ever heard anything like this? BTW, my friend, as I recall, stated Wyman's
orientation as the real reason for the breakup of her marriage to Ronald
Reagan.

Jim Beaver

[d***@comcast.net]

Post by Jim Beaver
I don't want to engage in rumormongering, but I have always wondered about
something. In the Eighties, when I worked for Films in Review magazine, an
editor there who was supposedly a great friend of a number of Golden Age
stars, told me emphatically and repeatedly that Wyman was a lesbian

Don't know about that, but in this excerpt from a Dominick Dunne
interview with Wyman, she states she never wanted to play a lesbian....


...For several years before Falcon Crest went on the air, she was in a
state of semi-retirement, spending most of ther time painting. Although
I have not seen any of her pictures, I have heard from her friends that
she is an extremely talented landscape artist. In 1979 her work was
exhibited in a gallery in Carmel, California, and so many of the
pictures were sold that she now has none of her own work in her
apartment. During those years, she said, she was always being sent film
and television scripts, "like Baby Jane or playing a lesbian, and I
didn't want to do that. But when I was sent the pilot script for Falcon
Crest, I could see so many facets to the character of Angela Channing.
I said, 'I'll give it two years.' It's now nine."

[Brad Ferguson]

Post by Jim Beaver
I don't want to engage in rumormongering, but I have always wondered about
something. In the Eighties, when I worked for Films in Review magazine, an
editor there who was supposedly a great friend of a number of Golden Age
stars, told me emphatically and repeatedly that Wyman was a lesbian and had
at one time (and I do mean at one time) been involved with Barbara Stanwyck
and another familiar name which I've now forgotten (I seem to recall it was
a familiar name because of marriage to a truly famous person, not from the
woman's own independent fame). I heard a great deal of "detail" about this
triotic relationship from my friend. But I've never heard a single word of
rumor or hint of support for the notion since then. So... has anyone else
ever heard anything like this? BTW, my friend, as I recall, stated Wyman's
orientation as the real reason for the breakup of her marriage to Ronald
Reagan.
Jim Beaver

I've heard the rumors about Jane Wyman before, including the bit about
the reason for the breakup with Reagan. The actress whose name you
can't remember might be Agnes Moorehead, with whom Wyman has been
linked (along with just about every other actress in Hollywood, I
guess).

There's another story that says Wyman and Reagan broke up because Wyman
was having an affair with Lew Ayres.

[Laurie Mann]

I'd heard the Stanwyk-Wyman rumor well before I got on the Internet
(early '80s, probably).

Not that that makes it true, but...

I'd also heard the Rock Hudson/Cary Grant/Jim Nabors gay rumors back in
the early '70s.

(JimB, I don't know if I posted this to alt.obits, but I really loved
the flashback portions of Hollywoodland. Thanks for your help in
getting this picture made. Now if they'd only come up with a better
framing story...)


Laurie Mann
Dead People Server
http://www.deadpeople.info

[Jim Beaver]

Post by Brad Ferguson

Post by Jim Beaver
I don't want to engage in rumormongering, but I have always wondered about
something. In the Eighties, when I worked for Films in Review magazine, an
editor there who was supposedly a great friend of a number of Golden Age
stars, told me emphatically and repeatedly that Wyman was a lesbian and had
at one time (and I do mean at one time) been involved with Barbara Stanwyck
and another familiar name which I've now forgotten (I seem to recall it was
a familiar name because of marriage to a truly famous person, not from the
woman's own independent fame). I heard a great deal of "detail" about this
triotic relationship from my friend. But I've never heard a single word of
rumor or hint of support for the notion since then. So... has anyone else
ever heard anything like this? BTW, my friend, as I recall, stated Wyman's
orientation as the real reason for the breakup of her marriage to Ronald
Reagan.
Jim Beaver

I've heard the rumors about Jane Wyman before, including the bit about
the reason for the breakup with Reagan. The actress whose name you
can't remember might be Agnes Moorehead, with whom Wyman has been
linked (along with just about every other actress in Hollywood, I
guess).

It wasn't Moorehead in the story I heard. It was someone of no personal
fame married (at least at one time) to someone of great fame.

Jim Beaver

[Hyfler/Rosner]

Post by wazzzy
Now why would I joke about something like that...Like one
of you said,
it was on BBC...They showed a picture of Jane(I think it
was from All
That Heaven Allows) and the woman said that her son
informed the press
that she has died...The news are not on the web because
it's weekend,
but I'm sure that you'll find some articles tomorrow!

From my contact at the BBC:

I've just got back from filming abroad so haven't been
around for a week. However, my colleagues know nothing about
this - where did you get it from?

[Colonel Buckshot]

Post by d***@comcast.net
Wikipedia showing that Jane Wyman died today at 92. OK, that's Wiki,
but there's also a couple messages posted on the Jane Wyman Imdb
message board that say she died of a heart attack today.

Her death would be widely reported and no major news source is
reporting this. Hopefully she will be OT for a long time.

Less than a month ago I saw her son at a public appearance and asked
him how his mother was doing. He said some days are better than others
but on the whole she's ok. She's had some TIAs (small strokes?). He
did say that she's concerned nobody will come to her funeral since
she's outlived most of her contemparies. I assume most are aware that
she also outlived her daughter Maureen.

As brief as her marriage to Ronald Reagan was, at 8 and a half years
she was married to him longer than the 3 other men she married.
Reagan was her third husband.

[Laurie Mann]

Still not listed as dead:

in any Palm Springs paper
in Variety
in the New York Times
in CNN.com
in Google News

(and neither is Robert Earl Jones)

Maybe we need a "pending" list, but these are the sorts of lists that
one or two people can invent rumors constantly for.

Or maybe we should pay attention to the idea of a "trusted source."
Some random person (especially on the Internet) isn't a "trusted
source." I can't tell you the number of phony deaths passed to me over
the years by unknown sources. I always ignored them unless I could
verify the information.

Example: I'm a science fiction fan and I'm active on monitoring
various lists. The writer Charles L. Grant was announced as having
died. Occasionally, bogus information is passed on these lists, but
since the news first appeared on Grant's Web site posted by his wife,
it seems like a safe bet to be true. So even without a mention in a
newspaper article, I added Grant's death to Dead People Server.
Writers' deaths normally aren't picked up by AP/Reuters as quickly as
actors' anyway.

[wazzzy]

Post by Laurie Mann
in any Palm Springs paper
in Variety
in the New York Times
in CNN.com
in Google News
(and neither is Robert Earl Jones)
Maybe we need a "pending" list, but these are the sorts of lists that
one or two people can invent rumors constantly for.
Or maybe we should pay attention to the idea of a "trusted source."
Some random person (especially on the Internet) isn't a "trusted
source." I can't tell you the number of phony deaths passed to me over
the years by unknown sources. I always ignored them unless I could
verify the information.
Example: I'm a science fiction fan and I'm active on monitoring
various lists. The writer Charles L. Grant was announced as having
died. Occasionally, bogus information is passed on these lists, but
since the news first appeared on Grant's Web site posted by his wife,
it seems like a safe bet to be true. So even without a mention in a
newspaper article, I added Grant's death to Dead People Server.
Writers' deaths normally aren't picked up by AP/Reuters as quickly as
actors' anyway.

does anyone know a time for or ever listen to Micheal Reagan's radio
show? what he says or doesn't say should be the final word for today

[R H Draney]

Post by Laurie Mann
Maybe we need a "pending" list, but these are the sorts of lists that
one or two people can invent rumors constantly for.
Or maybe we should pay attention to the idea of a "trusted source."
Some random person (especially on the Internet) isn't a "trusted
source." I can't tell you the number of phony deaths passed to me over
the years by unknown sources. I always ignored them unless I could
verify the information.
Example: I'm a science fiction fan and I'm active on monitoring
various lists. The writer Charles L. Grant was announced as having
died. Occasionally, bogus information is passed on these lists, but
since the news first appeared on Grant's Web site posted by his wife,
it seems like a safe bet to be true. So even without a mention in a
newspaper article, I added Grant's death to Dead People Server.
Writers' deaths normally aren't picked up by AP/Reuters as quickly as
actors' anyway.

I'm thinking back to Paul Winchell's death...first I heard of it, I couldn't
find anything in the "official" places either, so I tried the first thing that
came to mind, i.e. www.aprilwinchell.com...there I read her blog entry from the
night before, talking about what a great time she had with her "dad", and
including a rather vicious reference to her biological father...surely, I
thought, she wouldn't say something that nasty on the day of his death, even if
their relationship was rather strained....

On the basis of that bit of deduction, I decided the death report must have been
a hoax or rumor...the next day, the official sources picked up the obit, and
April's dig at Mr Winchell had been edited out of the blog....r

[J.D. Baldwin]

Post by R H Draney
On the basis of that bit of deduction, I decided the death report
must have been a hoax or rumor...the next day, the official sources
picked up the obit, and April's dig at Mr Winchell had been edited
out of the blog....r

To be fair to April, she acknowledged in later discussion that she had
edited out a particularly mean comment after learning of his death,
and she discussed her negative feelings about her late father pretty
frankly, so it wasn't a case of cheap revisionism.

[d***@comcast.net]

Post by Laurie Mann
in any Palm Springs paper
in Variety
in the New York Times
in CNN.com
in Google News
(and neither is Robert Earl Jones)
Maybe we need a "pending" list, but these are the sorts of lists that
one or two people can invent rumors constantly for.
Or maybe we should pay attention to the idea of a "trusted source."
Some random person (especially on the Internet) isn't a "trusted
source." I can't tell you the number of phony deaths passed to me over
the years by unknown sources. I always ignored them unless I could
verify the information.
Example: I'm a science fiction fan and I'm active on monitoring
various lists. The writer Charles L. Grant was announced as having
died. Occasionally, bogus information is passed on these lists, but
since the news first appeared on Grant's Web site posted by his wife,
it seems like a safe bet to be true. So even without a mention in a
newspaper article, I added Grant's death to Dead People Server.
Writers' deaths normally aren't picked up by AP/Reuters as quickly as
actors' anyway.

Someone on an Oldies site has posted that guitarist Al Casey has died.
Says he heard it from a family friend. Casey worked frequently with
Duane Eddy. I won't post it here until I see an obit.

[Charlene]

Post by d***@comcast.net
Someone on an Oldies site has posted that guitarist Al Casey has died.
Says he heard it from a family friend. Casey worked frequently with
Duane Eddy. I won't post it here until I see an obit.

It's on NPR. In fact, it says he died last year. Same Al Casey?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4844875

Fresh Air from WHYY, September 13, 2005 · Guitarist Al Casey died
Sunday of colon cancer at age 89, days short of his 90th birthday on
Sept. 15. Casey's distinctive style helped to define the sound of Fats
Waller's band in the 1930s and 1940s. Casey also played with Louis
Armstrong, Teddy Wilson and Billie Holliday.

Also at the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091301905.html

You'll need to register for that, but it's two pages long so I didn't
think this was the place to print it.

wd42

[d***@comcast.net]

Post by Charlene

Post by d***@comcast.net
Someone on an Oldies site has posted that guitarist Al Casey has died.
Says he heard it from a family friend. Casey worked frequently with
Duane Eddy. I won't post it here until I see an obit.

It's on NPR. In fact, it says he died last year. Same Al Casey?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4844875
Fresh Air from WHYY, September 13, 2005 · Guitarist Al Casey died
Sunday of colon cancer at age 89, days short of his 90th birthday on
Sept. 15. Casey's distinctive style helped to define the sound of Fats
Waller's band in the 1930s and 1940s. Casey also played with Louis
Armstrong, Teddy Wilson and Billie Holliday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091301905.html

No, that was the Jazz Al Casey, who played with Fats Waller. This is
the Al Casey reported to have died yesterday-

http://www.rockabillyhall.com/AlCasey1.html

[Colonel Buckshot]

With all due respect to his family, it does not surprise me that Mr.
Jones' death was not more widely reported. He was hardly a household
name and his film credits were relatively brief. Paul Winchell was
quite famous in his day, but there are a couple of generations now that
have no clue who he was.

Jane Wyman's eventual death (hopefully many years from now) will
receive quite a bit of attention. Her acting career was long and
distinguished (an Academy Award winner) and the Reagan connection will
be played up.

Regarding the rumors of her personal lifestyle...I find them hard to
believe due to the lack of any co-oberating evidence other than
whispers. Even when everyone was dishing all kinds of dirt on the
Reagans this never came up. It could be she just wasn't cut out for
marriage. It is my belief that the Reagan/Wyman divorce resulted from
separarate interests and life goals.

It does seem that any major Hollywood star who is excessively good
looking or is single for too long gets attached with a "gay" or
"lesbian" label.

[GS]

Post by Colonel Buckshot
Jane Wyman's eventual death (hopefully many years from now) will
receive quite a bit of attention. Her acting career was long and
distinguished (an Academy Award winner) and the Reagan connection will
be played up.
Regarding the rumors of her personal lifestyle...I find them hard to
believe due to the lack of any co-oberating evidence other than
whispers.

She's a very private person... she insists on oberating alone.

[Laurie Mann]

Post by Colonel Buckshot
With all due respect to his family, it does not surprise me that Mr.
Jones' death was not more widely reported.

But what was weird about it was that the local New Jersey papers didn't
pick it up either. It's not strange that it took AP/Reuters over a week
to run it, it's strange that a local paper near Englewood didn't pick
it up sooner.


Laurie Mann
Dead People Server
http://www.deadpeople.info