NIL, bryce young, and what it means for Alabama vs other teams....

[michael anderson]

Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.

Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.

So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.

Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

[Plaidmoon]

Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

They used to say that Bama players didn’t want to leave for the NFL because they would have to take a pay cut. Now there’s some truth to that. How much? We’ll see how much the other players collect in the upcoming months.

[xyzzy]

Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

If he doesn't work out and Saban gets rid of him, or even just benches him, will he lose his deal and sue Saban over it?

[Plaidmoon]

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Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

If he doesn't work out and Saban gets rid of him, or even just benches him, will he lose his deal and sue Saban over it?

If I were Bryce Young, I’d tell Saban that with all this money coming in, I’d like to return my scholarship and I’ll pay my own tuition. Take the scholarship and recruit another 4 or 5 star player or maybe give it to a deserving walk on player.

[Eric Ramon]

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Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

If he doesn't work out and Saban gets rid of him, or even just benches him, will he lose his deal and sue Saban over it?

If I were Bryce Young, I’d tell Saban that with all this money coming in, I’d like to return my scholarship and I’ll pay my own tuition. Take the scholarship and recruit another 4 or 5 star player or maybe give it to a deserving walk on player.

if you were Bryce Young you'd think like Bryce Young since you were Bryce Young so no, you'd keep the money, thanks.

[Eric Ramon]

Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

thank goodness for Nike.

[michael anderson]

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

thank goodness for Nike.

umm...why? How has oregon really been able to leverage that in practical terms?

[RoddyMcCorley]

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.

The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?

When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?

[Eric Ramon]

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

[Tim VanWagoner]

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than $100,000 for some commercials.

This is not going to end well.

[Eric Ramon]

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than $100,000 for some commercials.
This is not going to end well.

you could be right. But there's also a big disparity between professional players and they don't seem to be jealous. On the other hand they have some high minimum wages.

[RoddyMcCorley]

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than $100,000 for some commercials.
This is not going to end well.

you could be right. But there's also a big disparity between professional players and they don't seem to be jealous. On the other hand they have some high minimum wages.

In MLB, isn't the first year salary about $560,000? Not too bad.

[j***@mich.com]

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than $100,000 for some commercials.

When did this start to be allowed? I thought the SC decision only removed the restriction on education benefits, not allowed endorsements.

Post by Tim VanWagoner
This is not going to end well.

Quite right.

[xyzzy]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim VanWagoner

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even
got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than
$100,000 for some commercials.

When did this start to be allowed? I thought the SC decision only removed
the restriction on education benefits, not allowed endorsements.

Post by Tim VanWagoner
This is not going to end well.

Quite right.

It’s going to end up in court when a kid with a lucrative NIL deal gets cut
or benched and loses his deal.

[michael anderson]

Post by xyzzy

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim VanWagoner

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even
got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than
$100,000 for some commercials.

When did this start to be allowed? I thought the SC decision only removed
the restriction on education benefits, not allowed endorsements.

Post by Tim VanWagoner
This is not going to end well.

Quite right.

It’s going to end up in court when a kid with a lucrative NIL deal gets cut
or benched and loses his deal.

I don't see why that would be an actionable situation. Yes, the coaches decision to bench the player in that case did cause damage to them financially....but that is far from the only requirement
for a lawsuit.

Post by xyzzy
--
“I usually skip over your posts because of your disguistng, contrarian,
liberal personality.” — Altie

[michael anderson]

Post by Tim VanWagoner

Post by Eric Ramon

Post by RoddyMcCorley

Post by michael anderson
Bryce young

I wonder if the NIL money will engender jealousy among teammates, not
just at Bama but across the board? You have about 80 guys suited up on
Saturdays and only a handful are making money.
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?
When Bama does the Walk of Champions will Bryce do it with plenty of
bling and an entourage of Boyz?
--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

Boosters, disguised as merchants, are paying all members of the team a little something.

I can assure you this happens. I played a non-revenue sport and we even got taken care of. But getting free food and clothes is different than $100,000 for some commercials.
This is not going to end well.

Why? If boosters are disguising themselves as businesses to funnel players money under NIL, why is that a bad thing? And why would it not end well?

It seems like a good idea to get some money to the workers who are most responsible for the product imo.....win-win.

[The NOTBCS Guy]

Post by RoddyMcCorley
The other issue is whether the money that will pour into major college
sports programs will obscure illegal booster payments?

That's just it - they're not "illegal" any more. A booster is just as much allowed to "license" an athlete as any corporation.

I am pretty sure the only restriction is, there can't be any (obvious) benefits being given to the booster by the school in exchange. Anything that even looks like any of the money is coming from the school is not going to be taken lightly by the NCAA.

Other than that, pretty much every booster can just claim that it's "to promote his business" - and in the vast majority of cases, that's what it is doing. "Come down to Jimmy Jack Billy Bob's Down Home Sure-Fire BBQ! If it's good enough for the Alabama A&T&M defensive line, it's good enough for you!" The only problem might be, Jimmy Jack Billy Bob might be expecting something in return from the school, and when it doesn't happen, he may not be too happy about it.

[Michael Falkner]

Post by michael anderson
Saban made news yesterday when he said Bryce young has already signed contracts for almost a million dollars.
Now Alabama insiders are saying it's more like 650k, but whatever it is....this is still a qb who has yet to start a game and actually prove he is going to be a good college player.
So companies(or whoever) is giving Young this money just because he's the guy who is expected to be the qb for Bama, and Bama is the gold standard/premiere program in college football.
Other top HS players are going to see this and say "hey, I'd like some of that". Sure, a 5 star linebacker isn't going to get a million coming into college like a qb for bama, but there may still be some difference there between Bama and some other team

It's just going to continue to widen the gap until there literally IS no point in playing most games on the field, either because of the gap or the games just not being any degree of relevant at all.

Mike

[The NOTBCS Guy]

Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."

Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University." Not that this would really mean anything; since everybody else wouldn't lose eligibility, they can keep their championship rings (yes, that's a rule), and the player(s) declared ineligible can't be punished any further, so they can keep theirs as well. The worst thing that can happen is that the school gets a bowl ban, but even then, they can't have their TV contracts taken away, and the school can pull out the old, "None of the players currently on the team did anything wrong, so why are you punishing them - and as for the team that wins the 'national champion,' you have about as much credibility as the Division III champion, since they didn't beat the best school either."

[Michael Falkner]

Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University." Not that this would really mean anything; since everybody else wouldn't lose eligibility, they can keep their championship rings (yes, that's a rule), and the player(s) declared ineligible can't be punished any further, so they can keep theirs as well. The worst thing that can happen is that the school gets a bowl ban, but even then, they can't have their TV contracts taken away, and the school can pull out the old, "None of the players currently on the team did anything wrong, so why are you punishing them - and as for the team that wins the 'national champion,' you have about as much credibility as the Division III champion, since they didn't beat the best school either."

In short, it's a way for the NCAA to be permanently put out...

Mike

[michael anderson]

Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University."

lol.....ummm no.

Have you been following the news lately? The idea of the ncaa making a play like that for such a reason in today's climate and given the current status of the ncaa is about as likely as Vanderbilt winning the national title in football next year. And beating Duke to do so.

[The NOTBCS Guy]

Post by michael anderson

Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University."

lol.....ummm no.

Well, lol, no, except, lol, yes. Tell me why doesn't anybody announce that they have signed with an agent to represent them in their future NFL careers if it's not going to be a problem. Remember, this isn't about hiring agents solely for NIL interests; this is perfectly legal, and, in fact, the NCAA condones it.

Of course, that assumes that anybody is stupid enough to leave any sort of trail, paper or otherwise. The NCAA would have to get someone to admit that there was any sort of agreement or understanding before the player's final college game in order to be able to do anything about it - and after Reggie Bush got caught, everybody has learned to be better at keeping this sort of thing a secret.

[michael anderson]

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Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University."

lol.....ummm no.

Well, lol, no, except, lol, yes.

we'll just see how it plays out.....you're always making these sort of statements and none of them
ever pan out.

[The NOTBCS Guy]

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Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University."

lol.....ummm no.

Well, lol, no, except, lol, yes.

we'll just see how it plays out.....you're always making these sort of statements and none of them
ever pan out.

If Young or Saban have any idea what they are doing - and, according to you, Saban goes to reasonably great pains to make sure his players are squeaky clean - then how it will "pan out" is, either Young won't use CAA for his NFL contract negotiations, or they will make absolutely sure they don't even discuss this possibility - not even as a joke - until Young is ready to enter the NFL.

Care to give an example of where I said, "If School X does Y, then Z will happen," and X does do Y, and Z doesn't happen? Knowing me, I probably did at least once, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I have said, for example, "If any school pays its football and men's basketball players, it's asking for a Title IX lawsuit," or, "If a school gives preference to any booster or company that licenses its players, then the NCAA is going to look into whether or not this is 'pay for play,' " but as far as I know, neither of these has happened yet.

[Ken Olson]

Post by michael anderson

Post by The NOTBCS Guy
Young, and everybody else for that matter, needs to be careful with who he gets to represent "his NIL interests."
Young is using CAA - but I am under the impression that CAA also represents a number of NFL players in contract negotiations with their teams. If he suddenly decides when he turns pro that CAA will represent him in NFL negotiations as well, the NCAA could interpret this as, "He and CAA had plans to do this all along, so he is ineligible from the moment he signed with them, and any titles Alabama won now go to Vacated University."

lol.....ummm no.
Have you been following the news lately? The idea of the ncaa making a play like that for such a reason in today's climate and given the current status of the ncaa is about as likely as Vanderbilt winning the national title in football next year. And beating Duke to do so.

https://www.theonion.com/alabama-players-force-nick-saban-to-run-wind-sprints-af-1847349498