Douglas Richardson
2021-02-27 08:30:05 UTC
Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 144–145 (sub Grey) has a rather brief account of Sir John de Grey, of Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, who died in 1311. Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:
"He married Margaret, 4th and youngest daughter of William de Oddingeles (by Ela his wife), and sister and coh. of Edmund de Oddingeseles, of Solihull and Maxstoke, co. Warwick. He died 17 October 1311. His widow had assignment of dower 20 Jan. 1311/2, and license to marry whom she would 10 June 1312. She appears to have married, 2ndly, in or before 1319, Robert de Moreby, of Moreby, co. York." END OF QUOTE
Complete Peerage gives no date for the marriage of Sir John de Grey and Margaret de Oddingseles. My research indicates that this couple were married before Hilary term 1297, as indicated by the following two lawsuits in that term:
In Hilary term 1297 John de Clinton the younger and Ida his wife and John de Grey and Margaret his wife, tenants of the lands of William Doddynggeseles lately deceased, were sued by Robert de Beltesford, executor of the will of Osbert de Beltesford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt which the said William previously acknowledged in 1291 that he owed to the said Osbert. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 47f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0047.htm).
In Trinity term 1297 Ela sued Hugh de Oddingseles in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the third part of one messuage and ½ of one carucate of land in Long Itchington, Warwickshire; the said Hugh called to warranty Nicholas de Oddingeseles, who in turn called to warranty Ida, wife of John de Clinton, Margaret, wife of John de Grey, Ela, wife of Peter de Birmyngeham, and Alice, wife of Maurice de Caunton. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 163f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0163.htm).
Complete Peerage correctly states that Sir John de Grey died 17 October 1311. See Cal. IPM 3 (1912): 186–187; 5 (1908): 193–194.
On 18 December 1311 Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, appointed William de Moreby or Richard de la Coppe to seek and receive her dower in chancery. Reference: Cal of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 448. On 20 January 1312 Margaret, late the wife of John Grey, of Rotherfield, was assigned her dower. Reference: Cal of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 393.
Sometime in the period, 1311–15, Lady Margaret Grey, widow of John de Grey, lord of Rotherfield, presented Richard de la Coppe as rector of Oxborough, Norfolk [Reference: Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 190, which may be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=0r_NAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA190
On 10 June 1312 license was granted to Margaret, late the wife of John Grey of Rotherfield, to marry whomsoever she will of the king's allegiance. Cal. of Patent Rolls, 1307–1313 (1894): 463.
Complete Peerage states that Margaret de Oddingseles "appears to have married, 2ndly, in or before 1319, Robert de Moreby." Ancestor 10 (1904): 32–51 includes a well researched account of the Clinton family of Warwickshire. The author includes solid evidence that Margaret de Oddingseles married (2nd) Robert de Moreby (or Morby).
On page 42-43, the author includes reference to opposing claims to a fine dated 1319 made by Ida, widow of John de Clinton, of Maxstoke, and Robert de Moiby [sic] and Margaret his wife.
He adds: "For there can be little doubt that in Margaret de Morby we have Margaret, formerly the wife of John de Grey of Rotherfield, the youngest of William de Oddingeseles' coheirs." END OF QUOTE.
On page 44, the author discusses the matter further:
"Incidentally we have brought out the fact that one of these [Oddingeseles] coheirs, the youngest, remarried with Robert de Morby, which explains the grant of free warren to this Robert in Solihull [Warwickshire], in 1333. Robert had previously obtained a like grant in lands of which his wife [Margaret] was tenant for life; and in the same year, his stepson Sir John de Grey, being then just of age, had a similar grant, not only in lands already in his possession, by apparently in some of the lands stated in the previous grant to belong to his mother for her life." END OF QUOTE.
On page 44, the author further includes the transcript of the grant of free warren dated 21 April 1330, which states that Robert de Morby and Margaret his wife were then holding the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Upton (in Badsworth) and Sculcoates, Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the term of Margaret's life. Cogges and Upton were Grey family manors and Weeford was an Oddingseles property. As such, it is clear that Margaret, wife of Robert de Moreby, is unquestionably the same person as Margaret de Oddingseles, widow of Sir John de Grey.
The article in Ancestor can be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=daFJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA44
Elsewhere the Calendar of Close Rolls confirms that the manor of Cogges, Oxfordshire had been assigned to Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, in dower on 20 January 1312. At that time, the king also ordered that the escheator not to intermeddle with unspecified lands in Sculcoates, Yorkshire which the said Margaret had held jointly with John her former husband. Reference: Cal. of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 393.
As for evidence that Weeford, Staffordshire was an Oddingseles property, in 1302 two of the Oddingseles coheirs, namely Ela de Bermingham and Alice de Caunton, sued the other two Oddingseles coheirs and sisters, namely John de Grey and Margaret his wife and Ida, wife of John de Clinton, regarding tenements in Weeford, Staffordshire. The lawsuit was dismissed, owing to Ela and Alice’s failure to prosecute their writ of novel disseisin. Reference: Wrottesley Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 7) (1886): 107.
So when did Margaret de Oddingseles marry Sir Robert de Moreby? Complete Peerage says only that they were married before 1319, evidently relying on the fine of that date cited above in Ancestor 10 (1904): 42-43. Surviving records, however, suggest this couple had an irregular liaison as early as 1313. On 8 June 1313 William de Greenfield, Archbishop of York, issued a commission to the official to correct dame Margaret, relict of Sir John Grey, Knt., for the articles in the schedule annexed to the commission. On 12 June 1313, a similar commission was issued in relation to Robert de Moreby. Reference: Greenfield, Reg. of William Greenfield Lord Archbishop of York 1306–1315 1 (Surtees Soc. 145) (1931): 147-148.
Whatever the outcome of the Archbishop's "correction" of this couple in 1313, Margaret and Sir Robert were subsequently married before 27 January 1315, as proven by a fine copied below found at Chris Phillips' website, Some Notes on Medieval English Genealogy. This fine is available at the following weblink:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_285_30.shtml#106
CP 25/1/285/30, number 106.
Link: Image of document at AALT
County: Warwickshire. Norfolk.
Place: Westminster.
Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 8 Edward II [27 January 1315].
Parties: Nicholas de Moreby, querent, by William de Moreby, put in his place, and Robert de Moreby and Margaret, his wife, deforciants.
Property: 3 messuages, 140 acres of land, 20 acres of meadow, 20 acres of wood, 18 marks of rent and a rent of 1 pound of pepper and a moiety of 2 messuages, of 1 mill, of 30 acres of land, of 4 acres of meadow, of 10 acres of wood, of 2 fisheries, of 13 pounds of rent and of a rent of 1 pound of cumin and and a fourth part of 500 acres of pasture, of 30 acres of wood, of 300 acres of turbary and of 200 acres of moor in Solyhull' in Arderne in the county of Warwick and the advowson of the church of Oxeburgh' in the county of Norfolk.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Robert and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements and advowson to be the right of Nicholas, and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Nicholas and his heirs, of the chief lords for ever.
Warranty: Warranty by Robert and Margaret for themselves and the heirs of Margaret.
For this: Nicholas has given them 100 pounds sterling.
Complete Peerage is silent as to the death dates of Margaret de Oddingseles and her 2nd husband, Sir Robert de Moreby. Margaret was last known to be living on 21 April 1330, on which date Robert and Margaret his wife were granted free warren in the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates and Upton (in Badworth), Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the life of the said Margaret, and, after her decease, to her son, John de Grey, and his heirs. At her death, Margaret was probably buried in a lavish tomb in the north chapel of Cogges, Oxfordshire. For an interesting discussion of Lady Margaret's tomb, see the following weblink:
https://churchmonumentssociety.org/monument-of-the-month/the-monument-of-lady-margaret-grey-d-1330-at-cogges-oxfordshire
As for Sir Robert de Moreby, he died shortly before 27 Dec. 1335 [Reference: Cal. Fine Rolls 4 (1913): 466, 468].
For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Oddingseles and her 1st husband, Sir John de Grey:
Christopher Batt, Henry, Thomas & William Batte, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Thomas Bressey, Stephen Bull, Edward Carleton, Henry Corbin, Thomas Dudley, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Muriel Gurdon, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Agnes Mackworth, Roger & Thomas Mallory, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne Mauleverer, Joseph & Mary Need, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Ellen Newton, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Thomas Rudyard, Richard Saltonstall, James Taylor.
Do you descend from Margaret de Oddingseles? If so, I'd very much appreciate seeing your line of descent posted here on the newsgroup.
I've copied below my current file account of Margaret de Oddingseles and her two husbands, Sir John de Grey and Sir Robert de Moreby.
Douglas Richardson, Historian and Genealogist
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MARGARET DE ODDINGSELES, 4th and youngest daughter, born about 1277 (aged 18 in 1295). She was co-heiress in 1295 to her brother, Edmund de Oddingseles, by which she inherited the manors of Solihull and Olton (in Solihull), Warwickshire, Oxborough, Norfolk, and Weeford, Staffordshire. She married (1st) before Hilary term 1297 (date of lawsuit) JOHN DE GREY, Knt., of Rotherfield and Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, and, in right of his wife, of Solihull, Warwickshire and Oxborough, Norfolk, son and heir of Robert de Grey, Knt., of Rotherfield, Cogges, Hardwick (in Yelford), and Somerton, Oxfordshire, Kettlewell, Sculcoates, and Stillingfleet, Yorkshire, etc., and, in right of his wife, of Shabbington, Buckinghamshire, by Joan, daughter of Thomas de Valoines. He was born about 1272 (aged 23 in 1295). They had two sons, John, K.G. [1st Lord Grey of Rotherfield] and Ralph, Knt. (of South Leigh and Standlake, Oxfordshire, living 1359). In Hilary term 1297 John de Clinton the younger and Ida his wife and John de Grey and Margaret his wife, tenants of the lands of William Doddynggeseles lately deceased, were sued by Robert de Beltesford, executor of the will of Osbert de Beltesford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt which the said William acknowledged in 1291 that he owed to the said Osbert. He was summoned to the so-called Parliament at Salisbury 26 Jan. 1297. He fought in Scotland in 1298, 1299, and 1300. He was present at the Siege of Caerlaverock in 1300. He presented to a mediety of the church of Kettlewell, Yorkshire, 1300, 1301, and 1308, to the church of Solihull, Warwickshire, 1303, and a mediety of the church of Linton, Yorkshire, 1310. In 1302 the lawsuit of Peter de Bermyngeham [Bermingham] and Ela his wife and Maurice de Canuteton [Caunton] and Alice his wife was dismissed for not prosecuting their writ of novel disseisin against John de Clynton, of Maxstoke, and Ida his wife, John de Grey, of Rotherfield, and Margaret his wife, William le Wodeward, and Richard le Warrener, regarding a tenement in Weeford, Staffordshire. On the death of John's grandmother, Isabel de Duston, widow of Walter de Grey in 1304, he had livery of her manor of Duston, Northamptonshire. In 1304 he sued John de Turnham in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time he was his bailiff in Rotherfield, Oxfordshire. SIR JOHN DE GREY died 17 October 1311. In 1311 Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, appointed William de Moreby or Richard de la Coppe to seek and receive her dower in chancery. She was assigned dower 20 January 1312. Sometime in the period, 1311–15, Lady Margaret Grey, widow of John de Grey, lord of Rotherfield, presented Richard de la Coppe as rector of Oxborough, Norfolk. In Trinity term [31 May–21 June] 1312 Ida de Clinton, Eustache Power and Ela his wife, Alice de Caunton, and Margaret de Grey sued John de Blosmevill, of Kineton, Warwickshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding 26 acres of land and 4 acres of meadower in Solihull, Warwickshire, which the said John claimed as his right. His widow, Margaret, had license 10 June 1312, to marry whomsoever she will of the king’s allegiance. On 8 June 1313 William de Greenfield, Archbishop of York, issued a commission to the official to correct dame Margaret, relict of Sir John Grey, knt., for the articles in the schedule annexed to the commission. On 12 June 1313, a similar commission was issued in relation to Robert de Moreby. Margaret married (2nd) after 21 October 1312 and before 27 Jan. 1315 (date of fine) ROBERT DE MOREBY (or MORBY), Knt., of Bishop Burton, Bolton (near Pocklington), Bonville, and Gowthorpe, Yorkshire, and, in right of his wife, of Solihull, Warwickshire, Knight of the Shire for Oxford, 1330, Knight of the Shire for Yorkshire, 1332, Purveyor for Queen Isabel’s household, Constable of Brecknock and Knaresborough Castles. They had one son, William. In 1315 Robert and Margaret his wife granted Nicholas de Moreby three messuages and a moiety of two messuages, lands, mill, and rent, in Solihull, Warwickshire, together with the advowson of the church of Oxborough, Norfolk. In 1320 he was abroad with the king. In 1322 he had letters of protection, he about to set out for the Welsh march. In 1323 he was appointed to array the infantry in Oxfordshire and Berkshire and lead them to the muster at Newcastle. In 1324 Robert and Margaret his wife sued Edmund de Whytacre in the Court of Common Pleas in a Warwickshire plea regarding land. He was in France in 1325 with Queen Isabel and had protection during his stay. In 1327 and 1328 he and Margaret his wife sued John Hawe in the Court of Common Pleas regarding wood in Solihull in Ardern, Warwickshire. In 1328 Robert had license to hunt foxes, cats, and badgers in Wychwood Forest in Oxfordshire. The same year Robert and Margaret his wife sued Edmund de Whitacre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding land in Solihull, Warwickshire. On 21 April 1330 Robert and Margaret his wife were granted free warren in the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates and Upton (in Badworth), Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the life of the said Margaret, and, after her decease, to her son, John de Grey, and his heirs. Robert was granted free warren in his demesne lands in Solihull, Warwickshire and Bonnewick and Moreby, Yorkshire on 23 July 1333. At her death, Margaret was probably buried in a lavish tomb in the north chapel of Cogges, Oxfordshire. SIR ROBERT DE MOREBY died shortly before 27 Dec. 1335.
References:
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire 2 (1730): 940 (Odingsells-Grey ped.). Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 168–197. Blore, Hist. & Antiqs. of Rutland 1(2) (1811): 167 (Grey ped.). Baker, Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 1 (1822–30): 140. Clutterbuck, Hist. & Antiqs. of Hertford 3 (1827): 119–120 (Odingsells-Clinton ped.). Burke, Dict. of the Peerages… Extinct, Dormant & in Abeyance (1831): 232–233. Bowles & Nichols, Annals & Antiqs. of Lacock Abbey (1835): 162–163. Banks, Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 236–237 (sub Grey of Rotherfield); 2 (1843): 108–109 (sub Odingselles). Lipscomb, Hist. & Antiqs. of Buckingham 1 (1847): 159–163, 276, 445. Kirkby, Survey of York (Surtees Soc. 49) (1867): 308. Whitaker, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Deanery of Craven (1878): 539, 564–565. Lee, Hist., Desc. & Antiqs. of Thame (1883): 296–297 (Grey ped.). Wrottesley, Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 7) (1886): 64, 82, 107. C.C.R. 1307–1313 (1892): 393, 448. C.P.R. 1307–1313 (1894): 463. Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 2 (1894): 379, 386. Yorkshire Arch. Jour. 13 (1895): 135. Delaville le Roulx, Cartulaire Général de l’Ordre des Hospitaliers de S. Jean de Jérusalem 3 (1899): 765. Ancestor 8 (1904): 167; 10 (1904): 32–51. Wrottesley, Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 9, 82, 544–545. Yorkshire Deeds 1 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 39) (1909): 185. Index of Placita de Banco 1327–1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 32) (1910): 690. Boyd & Wrottesley, Final Concords (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 3rd Ser. 1911) (1911): 82. C.Ch.R. 4 (1912): 168, 302. Cal. IPM 3 (1912): 186–187; 5 (1908): 193–194, 220–222. Clay, Extinct & Dormant Peerages (1913): 92–93 (sub Grey). Farrer, Honors & Knights’ Fees 1 (1923): 229; 3 (1925): 393. C.P. 6 (1926): 144–145 (sub Grey). VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 102–104, 131. Gooder, Parl. Representation of York 1 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 91) (1935): 73–75 (biog. Robert de Moreby). Early Yorkshire Charters 5 (1936): 234–236. Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 2 (Dugdale Soc. 15) (1939): 104. Lawrance, Heraldry from Military Monuments before 1350 (H.S.P. 98) (1946): 31. VCH Warwick 4 (1947): 220–221 (Grey arms: Barry argent and azure a bend gules); 6 (1961): 8–12. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 258: 3. VCH Oxford 6 (1959): 127, 291–292; 12 (1990): 59–60, 71; 13 (1996): 181. Sanders, English Baronies (1960): 36–37. VCH York E.R. 3 (1976): 101–112. Melton, Reg. of William Melton 1317–1340 2 (Canterbury & York Soc. 71) (1978): 174–181. Ellis, Cat. Seals in the P.R.O. 2 (1981): 75 (seal of Robert de Morby, knight of the household dated 1328 — In a beaded circle with diapered ground, a shield of arms, couché: on a bend three mullets, and a label of three points; helm above with mantling and crest: a bush of feathers (?). Legend: *SIGILLVM:RO…MORBI.). Oxoniensia 47 (1982): 37–125. Sherwood, Guide to the Churches of Oxfordshire (1989): 57. Coss & Keen, Heraldry, Pageantry & Social Display in Medieval England (2002): 143–167. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/67, image 3992d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no67/bCP40no67dorses/IMG_3992.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 47f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0047.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 163f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0163.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/149, image 56f (available athttp://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no149/aCP40no149fronts/IMG_0056.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/193, image352f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E2/CP40no193/aCP40no193fronts/IMG_0352.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/252, image 19f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E2/CP40no252/aCP40no252fronts/IMG_0019.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/400, image 9272f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no400/aCP40no400fronts/IMG_9272.htm). National Archives, SC 8/242/12074 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). National Archives, CP 25/1/285/30, #106 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 144–145 (sub Grey) has a rather brief account of Sir John de Grey, of Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, who died in 1311. Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:
"He married Margaret, 4th and youngest daughter of William de Oddingeles (by Ela his wife), and sister and coh. of Edmund de Oddingeseles, of Solihull and Maxstoke, co. Warwick. He died 17 October 1311. His widow had assignment of dower 20 Jan. 1311/2, and license to marry whom she would 10 June 1312. She appears to have married, 2ndly, in or before 1319, Robert de Moreby, of Moreby, co. York." END OF QUOTE
Complete Peerage gives no date for the marriage of Sir John de Grey and Margaret de Oddingseles. My research indicates that this couple were married before Hilary term 1297, as indicated by the following two lawsuits in that term:
In Hilary term 1297 John de Clinton the younger and Ida his wife and John de Grey and Margaret his wife, tenants of the lands of William Doddynggeseles lately deceased, were sued by Robert de Beltesford, executor of the will of Osbert de Beltesford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt which the said William previously acknowledged in 1291 that he owed to the said Osbert. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 47f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0047.htm).
In Trinity term 1297 Ela sued Hugh de Oddingseles in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the third part of one messuage and ½ of one carucate of land in Long Itchington, Warwickshire; the said Hugh called to warranty Nicholas de Oddingeseles, who in turn called to warranty Ida, wife of John de Clinton, Margaret, wife of John de Grey, Ela, wife of Peter de Birmyngeham, and Alice, wife of Maurice de Caunton. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/116, image 163f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E1/CP40no116/aCP40no116fronts/IMG_0163.htm).
Complete Peerage correctly states that Sir John de Grey died 17 October 1311. See Cal. IPM 3 (1912): 186–187; 5 (1908): 193–194.
On 18 December 1311 Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, appointed William de Moreby or Richard de la Coppe to seek and receive her dower in chancery. Reference: Cal of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 448. On 20 January 1312 Margaret, late the wife of John Grey, of Rotherfield, was assigned her dower. Reference: Cal of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 393.
Sometime in the period, 1311–15, Lady Margaret Grey, widow of John de Grey, lord of Rotherfield, presented Richard de la Coppe as rector of Oxborough, Norfolk [Reference: Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 190, which may be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=0r_NAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA190
On 10 June 1312 license was granted to Margaret, late the wife of John Grey of Rotherfield, to marry whomsoever she will of the king's allegiance. Cal. of Patent Rolls, 1307–1313 (1894): 463.
Complete Peerage states that Margaret de Oddingseles "appears to have married, 2ndly, in or before 1319, Robert de Moreby." Ancestor 10 (1904): 32–51 includes a well researched account of the Clinton family of Warwickshire. The author includes solid evidence that Margaret de Oddingseles married (2nd) Robert de Moreby (or Morby).
On page 42-43, the author includes reference to opposing claims to a fine dated 1319 made by Ida, widow of John de Clinton, of Maxstoke, and Robert de Moiby [sic] and Margaret his wife.
He adds: "For there can be little doubt that in Margaret de Morby we have Margaret, formerly the wife of John de Grey of Rotherfield, the youngest of William de Oddingeseles' coheirs." END OF QUOTE.
On page 44, the author discusses the matter further:
"Incidentally we have brought out the fact that one of these [Oddingeseles] coheirs, the youngest, remarried with Robert de Morby, which explains the grant of free warren to this Robert in Solihull [Warwickshire], in 1333. Robert had previously obtained a like grant in lands of which his wife [Margaret] was tenant for life; and in the same year, his stepson Sir John de Grey, being then just of age, had a similar grant, not only in lands already in his possession, by apparently in some of the lands stated in the previous grant to belong to his mother for her life." END OF QUOTE.
On page 44, the author further includes the transcript of the grant of free warren dated 21 April 1330, which states that Robert de Morby and Margaret his wife were then holding the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Upton (in Badsworth) and Sculcoates, Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the term of Margaret's life. Cogges and Upton were Grey family manors and Weeford was an Oddingseles property. As such, it is clear that Margaret, wife of Robert de Moreby, is unquestionably the same person as Margaret de Oddingseles, widow of Sir John de Grey.
The article in Ancestor can be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=daFJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA44
Elsewhere the Calendar of Close Rolls confirms that the manor of Cogges, Oxfordshire had been assigned to Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, in dower on 20 January 1312. At that time, the king also ordered that the escheator not to intermeddle with unspecified lands in Sculcoates, Yorkshire which the said Margaret had held jointly with John her former husband. Reference: Cal. of Close Rolls 1307–1313 (1892): 393.
As for evidence that Weeford, Staffordshire was an Oddingseles property, in 1302 two of the Oddingseles coheirs, namely Ela de Bermingham and Alice de Caunton, sued the other two Oddingseles coheirs and sisters, namely John de Grey and Margaret his wife and Ida, wife of John de Clinton, regarding tenements in Weeford, Staffordshire. The lawsuit was dismissed, owing to Ela and Alice’s failure to prosecute their writ of novel disseisin. Reference: Wrottesley Staffordshire Suits: Plea Rolls (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 7) (1886): 107.
So when did Margaret de Oddingseles marry Sir Robert de Moreby? Complete Peerage says only that they were married before 1319, evidently relying on the fine of that date cited above in Ancestor 10 (1904): 42-43. Surviving records, however, suggest this couple had an irregular liaison as early as 1313. On 8 June 1313 William de Greenfield, Archbishop of York, issued a commission to the official to correct dame Margaret, relict of Sir John Grey, Knt., for the articles in the schedule annexed to the commission. On 12 June 1313, a similar commission was issued in relation to Robert de Moreby. Reference: Greenfield, Reg. of William Greenfield Lord Archbishop of York 1306–1315 1 (Surtees Soc. 145) (1931): 147-148.
Whatever the outcome of the Archbishop's "correction" of this couple in 1313, Margaret and Sir Robert were subsequently married before 27 January 1315, as proven by a fine copied below found at Chris Phillips' website, Some Notes on Medieval English Genealogy. This fine is available at the following weblink:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_285_30.shtml#106
CP 25/1/285/30, number 106.
Link: Image of document at AALT
County: Warwickshire. Norfolk.
Place: Westminster.
Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 8 Edward II [27 January 1315].
Parties: Nicholas de Moreby, querent, by William de Moreby, put in his place, and Robert de Moreby and Margaret, his wife, deforciants.
Property: 3 messuages, 140 acres of land, 20 acres of meadow, 20 acres of wood, 18 marks of rent and a rent of 1 pound of pepper and a moiety of 2 messuages, of 1 mill, of 30 acres of land, of 4 acres of meadow, of 10 acres of wood, of 2 fisheries, of 13 pounds of rent and of a rent of 1 pound of cumin and and a fourth part of 500 acres of pasture, of 30 acres of wood, of 300 acres of turbary and of 200 acres of moor in Solyhull' in Arderne in the county of Warwick and the advowson of the church of Oxeburgh' in the county of Norfolk.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Robert and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements and advowson to be the right of Nicholas, and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Nicholas and his heirs, of the chief lords for ever.
Warranty: Warranty by Robert and Margaret for themselves and the heirs of Margaret.
For this: Nicholas has given them 100 pounds sterling.
Complete Peerage is silent as to the death dates of Margaret de Oddingseles and her 2nd husband, Sir Robert de Moreby. Margaret was last known to be living on 21 April 1330, on which date Robert and Margaret his wife were granted free warren in the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates and Upton (in Badworth), Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the life of the said Margaret, and, after her decease, to her son, John de Grey, and his heirs. At her death, Margaret was probably buried in a lavish tomb in the north chapel of Cogges, Oxfordshire. For an interesting discussion of Lady Margaret's tomb, see the following weblink:
https://churchmonumentssociety.org/monument-of-the-month/the-monument-of-lady-margaret-grey-d-1330-at-cogges-oxfordshire
As for Sir Robert de Moreby, he died shortly before 27 Dec. 1335 [Reference: Cal. Fine Rolls 4 (1913): 466, 468].
For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Oddingseles and her 1st husband, Sir John de Grey:
Christopher Batt, Henry, Thomas & William Batte, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Thomas Bressey, Stephen Bull, Edward Carleton, Henry Corbin, Thomas Dudley, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Muriel Gurdon, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Agnes Mackworth, Roger & Thomas Mallory, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne Mauleverer, Joseph & Mary Need, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Ellen Newton, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Thomas Rudyard, Richard Saltonstall, James Taylor.
Do you descend from Margaret de Oddingseles? If so, I'd very much appreciate seeing your line of descent posted here on the newsgroup.
I've copied below my current file account of Margaret de Oddingseles and her two husbands, Sir John de Grey and Sir Robert de Moreby.
Douglas Richardson, Historian and Genealogist
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MARGARET DE ODDINGSELES, 4th and youngest daughter, born about 1277 (aged 18 in 1295). She was co-heiress in 1295 to her brother, Edmund de Oddingseles, by which she inherited the manors of Solihull and Olton (in Solihull), Warwickshire, Oxborough, Norfolk, and Weeford, Staffordshire. She married (1st) before Hilary term 1297 (date of lawsuit) JOHN DE GREY, Knt., of Rotherfield and Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, and, in right of his wife, of Solihull, Warwickshire and Oxborough, Norfolk, son and heir of Robert de Grey, Knt., of Rotherfield, Cogges, Hardwick (in Yelford), and Somerton, Oxfordshire, Kettlewell, Sculcoates, and Stillingfleet, Yorkshire, etc., and, in right of his wife, of Shabbington, Buckinghamshire, by Joan, daughter of Thomas de Valoines. He was born about 1272 (aged 23 in 1295). They had two sons, John, K.G. [1st Lord Grey of Rotherfield] and Ralph, Knt. (of South Leigh and Standlake, Oxfordshire, living 1359). In Hilary term 1297 John de Clinton the younger and Ida his wife and John de Grey and Margaret his wife, tenants of the lands of William Doddynggeseles lately deceased, were sued by Robert de Beltesford, executor of the will of Osbert de Beltesford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt which the said William acknowledged in 1291 that he owed to the said Osbert. He was summoned to the so-called Parliament at Salisbury 26 Jan. 1297. He fought in Scotland in 1298, 1299, and 1300. He was present at the Siege of Caerlaverock in 1300. He presented to a mediety of the church of Kettlewell, Yorkshire, 1300, 1301, and 1308, to the church of Solihull, Warwickshire, 1303, and a mediety of the church of Linton, Yorkshire, 1310. In 1302 the lawsuit of Peter de Bermyngeham [Bermingham] and Ela his wife and Maurice de Canuteton [Caunton] and Alice his wife was dismissed for not prosecuting their writ of novel disseisin against John de Clynton, of Maxstoke, and Ida his wife, John de Grey, of Rotherfield, and Margaret his wife, William le Wodeward, and Richard le Warrener, regarding a tenement in Weeford, Staffordshire. On the death of John's grandmother, Isabel de Duston, widow of Walter de Grey in 1304, he had livery of her manor of Duston, Northamptonshire. In 1304 he sued John de Turnham in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time he was his bailiff in Rotherfield, Oxfordshire. SIR JOHN DE GREY died 17 October 1311. In 1311 Margaret, widow of John de Grey, of Rotherfield, appointed William de Moreby or Richard de la Coppe to seek and receive her dower in chancery. She was assigned dower 20 January 1312. Sometime in the period, 1311–15, Lady Margaret Grey, widow of John de Grey, lord of Rotherfield, presented Richard de la Coppe as rector of Oxborough, Norfolk. In Trinity term [31 May–21 June] 1312 Ida de Clinton, Eustache Power and Ela his wife, Alice de Caunton, and Margaret de Grey sued John de Blosmevill, of Kineton, Warwickshire, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding 26 acres of land and 4 acres of meadower in Solihull, Warwickshire, which the said John claimed as his right. His widow, Margaret, had license 10 June 1312, to marry whomsoever she will of the king’s allegiance. On 8 June 1313 William de Greenfield, Archbishop of York, issued a commission to the official to correct dame Margaret, relict of Sir John Grey, knt., for the articles in the schedule annexed to the commission. On 12 June 1313, a similar commission was issued in relation to Robert de Moreby. Margaret married (2nd) after 21 October 1312 and before 27 Jan. 1315 (date of fine) ROBERT DE MOREBY (or MORBY), Knt., of Bishop Burton, Bolton (near Pocklington), Bonville, and Gowthorpe, Yorkshire, and, in right of his wife, of Solihull, Warwickshire, Knight of the Shire for Oxford, 1330, Knight of the Shire for Yorkshire, 1332, Purveyor for Queen Isabel’s household, Constable of Brecknock and Knaresborough Castles. They had one son, William. In 1315 Robert and Margaret his wife granted Nicholas de Moreby three messuages and a moiety of two messuages, lands, mill, and rent, in Solihull, Warwickshire, together with the advowson of the church of Oxborough, Norfolk. In 1320 he was abroad with the king. In 1322 he had letters of protection, he about to set out for the Welsh march. In 1323 he was appointed to array the infantry in Oxfordshire and Berkshire and lead them to the muster at Newcastle. In 1324 Robert and Margaret his wife sued Edmund de Whytacre in the Court of Common Pleas in a Warwickshire plea regarding land. He was in France in 1325 with Queen Isabel and had protection during his stay. In 1327 and 1328 he and Margaret his wife sued John Hawe in the Court of Common Pleas regarding wood in Solihull in Ardern, Warwickshire. In 1328 Robert had license to hunt foxes, cats, and badgers in Wychwood Forest in Oxfordshire. The same year Robert and Margaret his wife sued Edmund de Whitacre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding land in Solihull, Warwickshire. On 21 April 1330 Robert and Margaret his wife were granted free warren in the manors of Cogges, Oxfordshire, Sculcoates and Upton (in Badworth), Yorkshire, and Weeford, Staffordshire for the life of the said Margaret, and, after her decease, to her son, John de Grey, and his heirs. Robert was granted free warren in his demesne lands in Solihull, Warwickshire and Bonnewick and Moreby, Yorkshire on 23 July 1333. At her death, Margaret was probably buried in a lavish tomb in the north chapel of Cogges, Oxfordshire. SIR ROBERT DE MOREBY died shortly before 27 Dec. 1335.
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