Tom Jigme Wheat
2011-06-20 16:56:06 UTC
On Jun 19, 10:12 pm, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
head <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What you dont seem to realize is that your total demonization of
> > > > government, i.e., the liberal Keynesian Welfare State invites only one
> > > > other alternative, and that is Corporatism:
>
> > > This kind of line of argument is we're in five wars, have bases in
> > > just about every country, are 14 trillion plus dollars of debt, all
> > > our entitlements are broke, have a giant prison population, etc.
>
> > Correction we are in 2 wars and one police action in Libya.
>
> Tell that to the people who have loved ones dying from our attacks,
> you psychotic moron.
we have lost a total of 5000 people in 10 years in Iraq and
afghanistan. In world war 2 we lost 400000 men. This is nothing!!!!!!
>
> Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya. That's five countries(That
> we know of) with American boots on the ground.
All US combat troops will be out of Iraq at the end of the year
according to the QDR; that's a reduction of 50000 troops. In
afghanistan 5000 - 10000 troops will be recalled. Regarding somalia,
we have a few special operations group (SOG) no more than a 100 people
total there. In libya no US military combat troops have been deployed.
Primarily the US is relying on unmanned drone strikes on Qaddafi's
military installations. The majority of the Bombing operations are
being carried out by the British and the french, with Italy in a
logistics supply role!!!!! The US presence in Libya is very minimal,
it is only costing us about a billion a month!!!
You dont know what the fuck you are talking about, dipshit!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Your isolationist stance
>
> Our current polices are what are really isolating us. (Pick any
> country where we have bases and I can guarantee the locals are
> protesting us and want us out)
I highly doubt that europe wants to see american troop withdrawl, but
nevertheless I think we need to make reductions here. The threat of
soviet land invasion has faded with the cold war. However, the
potential for a tactical nuclear strike on europe by russia, means we
must invest more in ballistic missile defense, to compensate for troop
reductions.
>
> > regarding the preeminent role of the USA in world affairs
>
> That era is over. It doesn't work and we're broke.
>
> Let Europe, and the like, defend themselves. (They are more than
> capable of it)
as I have stated previously and as you attempt to parrot my line when
it suits you, I have already suggested in an earlier post, in this
thread, that Europe you should shoulder more of the costs for NATO,
and that possibly we could close some bases in Germany.
>
> > if immplemented would take us back to the isolationist
> > Republican Congressional movement of the 1930's, which allowed for the
> > destabilizing rise of the NAZI's that thrust the world into Global
> > War.
>
> ?!?!? It's our job to keep the world stable, do you know how crazy
> that sounds? (You're insane)
Look what happened before World war 2, you had UK prime minister
Nevile Chamberlain's appeasement of Nazi germany, and a disaffected
isolationist republican congress, and then Pearl Harbor got bombed. By
the way we suffered more civilian causalties during the 9/11/2001
terrorist attacks then we suffered at pearl harbor!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> As it stands, the only thing we're making stable in the world is a
> violent hatred for the US. Our world cop bs and endless wars on drugs,
> terrorism and the like has united the world in a hatred of us.
Oh so now you think you want Ron Paul for president. This is the guy
who said we should legalize heroin. I can see legalization of
marijuana, as a taxable commodity, but nothing else.
>
> {...}
>
> > Republican Senator, John Mccain on ABC's This Week, with
> > Christiane Amanpour, invoked this same analogy,
>
> Hey, if you and John McCain want to go fight in Libya .. then by all
> means, put your beliefs into action and go to it. The locals will
> welcome you with open arms and provide you with what you need to fight
> the enemy. (There's nothings stopping you and the thousand of others
> who support this war from going to it)
Iam too old to serve, nonetheless the rank and file in afghanistan is
a crap shoot. Alot of hostile friendly fire causalties. like what
happened to Pat Tillman!!!!!!!!
>
> Godspeed.
>
> > Regarding US military bases abroad, the geopolitical implications of
> > the US withdrawing
>
> If we stay on our current course our currency will take a nose dive
> and will take down most of the world's economies. What are the
> geopolitical implications of that?
First of all we cant afford to pull out of Japan or south korea.
Secondly we only have roughly 25000 troops in South Korea, and support
operations in Japan. China's rise as an economic superpower along with
their proxy DPRK, N. Korea already possessing nuclear weapons, means
we cant withdraw from that region. Also china has doubled national
defense spending from last years levels!!!!
exactly we have to raise the debt ceiling or the USA's triple AAA bond
rating will be downgraded. Republican plans are worse than the
democrats when it comes to taming the deficit, their plan is just cut
taxes for the rich, and possibly impose a flat tax later, that would
mean you would be paying a 30 percent sales tax on everything, and the
rich would pay nothing since they get the majority of their income
through capital gains!!!!!!!!!
we need deficit reduction, however, there are ways to save the social
safety net and not lower america's standard of living or overall life
expectancy. Your free will theory, doesnt take in account the fact of
the economic deterministic effects on seniors and the poor and
disabled if we dismantled these programs. If the debt limit isn't
raised and your grandma has medicare, she will have no coverage, you
heartless bastard!!! You are like Marie Antoninette, before she got
her head cut off, for saying let the poor eat cake, just like her, you
live in an ivory tower!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Regarding the National Debt, it should be noted that the majority of
> > the debt was created by Republican Presidents.
>
> Like I said, it was created by progressives who insanely think it's
> the job of the US government to make an empire, rule the world and
> tell everybody what to do.
You really classify republicans as progressives. You are really
stupid!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Unfortunately
> > for Obama, he is stuck with the deficit raising Bush Tax Cuts
> > extension till the end of this year.
>
> You can't bitch about tax cuts while advocating empire. (And the only
> reason Obama, our President, would be stuck with anything he opposes
> is because he's a shitty leader and on the wrong side of the issues)
your analysis doesnt take an account of the obstructionist congress,
and the fact that the congress votes in tax increases, or decreases,
the president can only propose this, congress holds the purse strings.
How you like supporting people who favor income redistributation from
the middle class to the rich. Moron!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > I didn't agree with this decision, but You cant blame Obama
>
> He's a piss poor leader who doesn't know what he's doing. I blame all
> his failures on him...And I hate him for the fact that he's not smart
> enough to know he's way over his head and needs to step down.
You just hate Barack Obama cuz he's black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Obama was
> > attempting to get the 66 vote threshold for the New START treaty with
> > Russia, since we no longer had nuclear weapons inspectors in Russia.
>
> These treaties are a joke, right along with Russian safeguards,
> security, etc. It's just more bs promises that our government has
> everything under control. Like it had everything under control before
> 9/11 and the like. (I wipe my ass with its promises)
the alternative to the treaty, would have allowed for increased
proliferation of nuclear weapons by both sides, and we would not be
able to monitor russian compliance with the New Start Treaty or
whether they were honoring NPT, or the fact that security at russian
nuclear missile silos are extremely lax, and that all of the weapons
grade uranium being smuggled on the black market was coming from
russia, so we had to have inspection teams at russian nuke sites to
verify security of their arsenal and to monitor treaty compliance, in
regards to New START. WE also reciprocated by allowing the russians to
verify that we as are they are required to make reductions in our
nuclear arsenals.
>
> > Regarding Entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid), The
> > funds are in trouble because
>
> The payments are in jeopardy because Our government doesn't care about
> the money it steals from us and our economy. It waste shitloads of it
> on bs like building mosques in Afghanistan and paying whores to learn
> not to drink to much in China.
>
> > While the republicans claim to have a Job Creation agenda
>
> Both parties are filled with morons who think its the job of our
> government to control our economy. (Insane)
>
> > Also the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, both Bush started,
>
> And Barack could have ended them, day one. (But he wont do that
> because he thinks it's the job of America to transform these countries
> into America. He's bat shit Insane)
as stated earlier you have already proven that you are a moral
relativist, and a nihilist!!!!!!!
You want the Taliban to return to power in afghanistan, which is
exactly what will happen if we leave, and then they will be free to
rape children, cut off the noses of young girls who object to arranged
marriages, and stone femal adulterers to death!!!! Not to mention if
we pull out Al qaeda and the Taliban could potentially take over
Pakistan, since the ISI, is riddled with Al qaida sympathizers, and
its just a matter of time if we leave, that they will get a hold of
Pakistan's nuclear arsenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Currently the US is engaged with back channel peace negotiations with
> > the Taliban
>
> What were you saying about the Nazi like regimes? So much for stopping
> them... (Insane)
>
> > Also the cost of the Libyan operation is about 1 billion dollars
>
> So cheap wars are more acceptable? Especially ones where we are
> backing al Qaeda, right? (Insane)
>
> > > Note: I don't demonize the government. There are clear things it
> > > should be doing(protect individuals
> > > from force and fraud).
>
> > Then why would be opposed to the Dodd-Frank Bill, that attempts to regulate
>
> It drives mom and pop operations under and allows the too big to get
> even bigger. It tells private citizens what to do with their money and
> property. It creates Monopolies. It's a piece of shit bill that was
> designed to favor big politically connected corporations. (Which is no
> surprise after seeing Dodd and Frank's role in the housing mess)
You are so fuckin ignorant. One of the provisions of the Dodd-Frank
bill limits the amount of swipe fees big banks can charge stores every
time they use their mastercard or visa debit/credit card. Currently
the big banks charge your beloved Mom and Pops stores, 40 cents or
roughly 1 percent of the purchase price every time a customer makes a
purchase at their store, this is in addition to fees charged by
Mastercard and Visa to consumers every time they use their card. The
big banks racked up billions charging these fees. The Dodd-frank bill
with senator Dick Durbin's amendment attached to it would limit the
amount of swipe fee surcharges to 12 cents per transaction.
>
> > > > So You argue for Corporatism by fait accompli:
>
> > > I argue for free market, free will and the right to allow people to
> > > make their own choices and you argue for a giant all controlling, all
> > > powerful government(worst kind of monopoly) that steals from the free
> > > market and taxpayers..
>
> > If you are not rich there is no free will in the market place.. It is
> > an Oligapoly!!!
>
> Our government(has monopoly on force) has done more to create
> monopolies and kill freewill than anything the free market has done or
> is doing.
Yah but you bitch about Verizon and AT&T being on the government dole,
when in fact they are not, they just have really good tax attorney's
like Michelle Bachman's of the world, so that Verizon can get of
paying its fair share in taxes cuz of all the loop holes in the tax
code, and becaus the Wireless broadband market is an Oligopoly, with
these two companies, pending AT&T's meger with T-Mobile, means that
now 80 percent of the market will be controlled by 2 companies. Also
AT&T is being sued by consumers in a class action suit, for charging
customers sometimes as much as 300 percent, for iPhone use they never
used!!! That's not capitalism, rather monopolistic
mercantilism!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.itworld.com/networking/166943/suit-charges-att-overcharges-much-300-iphone-data
>
> <Your link on Oligapoly at wiki>
> For example(Oligapoly), as of fourth quarter 2008, Verizon, AT&T,
> Sprint, Nextel, and T-Mobile together control 89% of the US cellular
> phone market.
Yah dip shit here's my link, since all you are capable of is
"primitive accumulation!!!!"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/lawsuit-claiming-at-t-is-overcharging-iphone-and-ipad-data-usage-may-not-go-to-trial/24927
You should also know that several former republican appointed FCC
commissioners have taken consulting jobs with AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> <end>
>
> These companies are perfect examples of what I said above. They are
> politically connected, they get shit loads of government cash and tax
> breaks, government regulations are designed to protect them and their
> market share, they get shitloads of no bid government contracts,
Oh you are talking about Bush's sweet heart deal with former vice
president Dick Cheney's company, Haliburton/ Kellog Brown and Root,
that defrauded the american tax payer in Iraq reconstruction
contracts. Nice of you to be a fuckin moron!!!!!!!!!!!
> etc.
They get tax breaks because they have people like Michelle Bachman
representing them.
Analysis: 12 Corporations Pay Effective Tax Rate of Negative 1.5%
on $171 Billion in Profits; Reap $62.4 Billion in Tax Subsidies
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/12corps060111.pdf
-excerpt-
Exxon Mobil, Boeing, Verizon, Others Illustrate Why Revenue-Raising
Reform is Needed
Washington, DC – To better inform the public and lawmakers about how
successful many American corporations have been in reducing or
eliminating their federal income taxes, Citizens for Tax Justice is
releasing a preview of its forthcoming major study of Fortune 500
companies and the taxes they paid — or failed to pay — over the
2008-10 period. Today’s release details the pretax U.S. profits,
federal taxes paid and effective tax rates of (in alphabetical
order):
American Electric Power, Boeing, Dupont, Exxon Mobil, FedEx, General
Electric, Honeywell International, IBM, United Technologies, Verizon
Communications, Wells Fargo and Yahoo.
>
> > >.And if they have the nerve to say "no" then
> > > they're thrown in jail(or in some cases murdered by FBI agents raiding
> > > their home).
>
> > I didnt agree with what happened at Ruby Ridge or Waco.
>
> This isn't just those two instances. All Americans have to give our
> government its dues. Our government has a complete monopoly on force
> and can murder anyone in an instance for no reason at all. (Which is
> why it should be limited)
>
> And why it shouldn't be involved in bogus drug wars and the like.
>
> > while at the same time the reactionary White nationalist movement
> > recieved little federal attention
>
> Maybe it would have gotten done if our government wasn't fighting
> insane wars, funding our allies defense, locking up millions of people
> in a silly drug war, etc)
>
> There is a good chance the bombing would have never happened if our
> government had been like it was designed(limited). Same could be said
> for 9/11, which Osama claimed was because of the foreign policy you
> support.
>
> > > > In your view we should never had the Social Security program, or
> > > > Medicare
>
> > > No, I argue that a person should have a choice and should get to
> > > choose where their money goes. If they choose to invest in such
> > > things, then so be it. (Why do you hate free choice and free will?)
as usual tards like you resort to the ivory tower musings of the
Bourbon dynasty, before reality sets in and you get guillitoned, i.e.,
thrown from your hypocritical heartless perch!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Only a sucker or someone who is rich and already is a trust funder
> > would make that argument.
>
> I'm for the complete opposite. This is your argument, this is what
> you're for.
>
> > Its the same argument that these corporate
> > types make about "Right to Work," intiatives trying to trick the
> > common man
>
> Nobody is being tricked to do anything. (You're Insane)
Oh and you argue that the Right to work intiative, isnt really about
tricking people into leaving their unions. Without collective
bargaining workers have no power or leverage regarding their
wages!!!!!!!! Just look at walmart, they are anti-union and so they
pay less than comparably placed unionized retail sector jobs, like in
grocery stores. They also rarely offer health insurance and that's if
you are employed full time, so they will usually schedule you just
under the minimum requirement to qualify for health coverage under
state law so that they dont have to pay you health benefits. I Had
friends who worked at Walmart while going to college, they are the
evil empire!!!!!!!!! The Walton family who owns walmart is
collectively worth 80 billion dollars, and they get the most of their
product from sweatshop Communist chinese labor. You have no idea what
the fuck you are talking about when it comes to free will, neither did
Louis XVI did before he get his head cut off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eat shit bitch!!!!!!
thomaswheat1975
discussion archived here:
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>
> <snip crazy ramblings>
> You're a psychotic moron.
head <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What you dont seem to realize is that your total demonization of
> > > > government, i.e., the liberal Keynesian Welfare State invites only one
> > > > other alternative, and that is Corporatism:
>
> > > This kind of line of argument is we're in five wars, have bases in
> > > just about every country, are 14 trillion plus dollars of debt, all
> > > our entitlements are broke, have a giant prison population, etc.
>
> > Correction we are in 2 wars and one police action in Libya.
>
> Tell that to the people who have loved ones dying from our attacks,
> you psychotic moron.
we have lost a total of 5000 people in 10 years in Iraq and
afghanistan. In world war 2 we lost 400000 men. This is nothing!!!!!!
>
> Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya. That's five countries(That
> we know of) with American boots on the ground.
All US combat troops will be out of Iraq at the end of the year
according to the QDR; that's a reduction of 50000 troops. In
afghanistan 5000 - 10000 troops will be recalled. Regarding somalia,
we have a few special operations group (SOG) no more than a 100 people
total there. In libya no US military combat troops have been deployed.
Primarily the US is relying on unmanned drone strikes on Qaddafi's
military installations. The majority of the Bombing operations are
being carried out by the British and the french, with Italy in a
logistics supply role!!!!! The US presence in Libya is very minimal,
it is only costing us about a billion a month!!!
You dont know what the fuck you are talking about, dipshit!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Your isolationist stance
>
> Our current polices are what are really isolating us. (Pick any
> country where we have bases and I can guarantee the locals are
> protesting us and want us out)
I highly doubt that europe wants to see american troop withdrawl, but
nevertheless I think we need to make reductions here. The threat of
soviet land invasion has faded with the cold war. However, the
potential for a tactical nuclear strike on europe by russia, means we
must invest more in ballistic missile defense, to compensate for troop
reductions.
>
> > regarding the preeminent role of the USA in world affairs
>
> That era is over. It doesn't work and we're broke.
>
> Let Europe, and the like, defend themselves. (They are more than
> capable of it)
as I have stated previously and as you attempt to parrot my line when
it suits you, I have already suggested in an earlier post, in this
thread, that Europe you should shoulder more of the costs for NATO,
and that possibly we could close some bases in Germany.
>
> > if immplemented would take us back to the isolationist
> > Republican Congressional movement of the 1930's, which allowed for the
> > destabilizing rise of the NAZI's that thrust the world into Global
> > War.
>
> ?!?!? It's our job to keep the world stable, do you know how crazy
> that sounds? (You're insane)
Look what happened before World war 2, you had UK prime minister
Nevile Chamberlain's appeasement of Nazi germany, and a disaffected
isolationist republican congress, and then Pearl Harbor got bombed. By
the way we suffered more civilian causalties during the 9/11/2001
terrorist attacks then we suffered at pearl harbor!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> As it stands, the only thing we're making stable in the world is a
> violent hatred for the US. Our world cop bs and endless wars on drugs,
> terrorism and the like has united the world in a hatred of us.
Oh so now you think you want Ron Paul for president. This is the guy
who said we should legalize heroin. I can see legalization of
marijuana, as a taxable commodity, but nothing else.
>
> {...}
>
> > Republican Senator, John Mccain on ABC's This Week, with
> > Christiane Amanpour, invoked this same analogy,
>
> Hey, if you and John McCain want to go fight in Libya .. then by all
> means, put your beliefs into action and go to it. The locals will
> welcome you with open arms and provide you with what you need to fight
> the enemy. (There's nothings stopping you and the thousand of others
> who support this war from going to it)
Iam too old to serve, nonetheless the rank and file in afghanistan is
a crap shoot. Alot of hostile friendly fire causalties. like what
happened to Pat Tillman!!!!!!!!
>
> Godspeed.
>
> > Regarding US military bases abroad, the geopolitical implications of
> > the US withdrawing
>
> If we stay on our current course our currency will take a nose dive
> and will take down most of the world's economies. What are the
> geopolitical implications of that?
First of all we cant afford to pull out of Japan or south korea.
Secondly we only have roughly 25000 troops in South Korea, and support
operations in Japan. China's rise as an economic superpower along with
their proxy DPRK, N. Korea already possessing nuclear weapons, means
we cant withdraw from that region. Also china has doubled national
defense spending from last years levels!!!!
exactly we have to raise the debt ceiling or the USA's triple AAA bond
rating will be downgraded. Republican plans are worse than the
democrats when it comes to taming the deficit, their plan is just cut
taxes for the rich, and possibly impose a flat tax later, that would
mean you would be paying a 30 percent sales tax on everything, and the
rich would pay nothing since they get the majority of their income
through capital gains!!!!!!!!!
we need deficit reduction, however, there are ways to save the social
safety net and not lower america's standard of living or overall life
expectancy. Your free will theory, doesnt take in account the fact of
the economic deterministic effects on seniors and the poor and
disabled if we dismantled these programs. If the debt limit isn't
raised and your grandma has medicare, she will have no coverage, you
heartless bastard!!! You are like Marie Antoninette, before she got
her head cut off, for saying let the poor eat cake, just like her, you
live in an ivory tower!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Regarding the National Debt, it should be noted that the majority of
> > the debt was created by Republican Presidents.
>
> Like I said, it was created by progressives who insanely think it's
> the job of the US government to make an empire, rule the world and
> tell everybody what to do.
You really classify republicans as progressives. You are really
stupid!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Unfortunately
> > for Obama, he is stuck with the deficit raising Bush Tax Cuts
> > extension till the end of this year.
>
> You can't bitch about tax cuts while advocating empire. (And the only
> reason Obama, our President, would be stuck with anything he opposes
> is because he's a shitty leader and on the wrong side of the issues)
your analysis doesnt take an account of the obstructionist congress,
and the fact that the congress votes in tax increases, or decreases,
the president can only propose this, congress holds the purse strings.
How you like supporting people who favor income redistributation from
the middle class to the rich. Moron!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > I didn't agree with this decision, but You cant blame Obama
>
> He's a piss poor leader who doesn't know what he's doing. I blame all
> his failures on him...And I hate him for the fact that he's not smart
> enough to know he's way over his head and needs to step down.
You just hate Barack Obama cuz he's black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Obama was
> > attempting to get the 66 vote threshold for the New START treaty with
> > Russia, since we no longer had nuclear weapons inspectors in Russia.
>
> These treaties are a joke, right along with Russian safeguards,
> security, etc. It's just more bs promises that our government has
> everything under control. Like it had everything under control before
> 9/11 and the like. (I wipe my ass with its promises)
the alternative to the treaty, would have allowed for increased
proliferation of nuclear weapons by both sides, and we would not be
able to monitor russian compliance with the New Start Treaty or
whether they were honoring NPT, or the fact that security at russian
nuclear missile silos are extremely lax, and that all of the weapons
grade uranium being smuggled on the black market was coming from
russia, so we had to have inspection teams at russian nuke sites to
verify security of their arsenal and to monitor treaty compliance, in
regards to New START. WE also reciprocated by allowing the russians to
verify that we as are they are required to make reductions in our
nuclear arsenals.
>
> > Regarding Entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid), The
> > funds are in trouble because
>
> The payments are in jeopardy because Our government doesn't care about
> the money it steals from us and our economy. It waste shitloads of it
> on bs like building mosques in Afghanistan and paying whores to learn
> not to drink to much in China.
>
> > While the republicans claim to have a Job Creation agenda
>
> Both parties are filled with morons who think its the job of our
> government to control our economy. (Insane)
>
> > Also the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, both Bush started,
>
> And Barack could have ended them, day one. (But he wont do that
> because he thinks it's the job of America to transform these countries
> into America. He's bat shit Insane)
as stated earlier you have already proven that you are a moral
relativist, and a nihilist!!!!!!!
You want the Taliban to return to power in afghanistan, which is
exactly what will happen if we leave, and then they will be free to
rape children, cut off the noses of young girls who object to arranged
marriages, and stone femal adulterers to death!!!! Not to mention if
we pull out Al qaeda and the Taliban could potentially take over
Pakistan, since the ISI, is riddled with Al qaida sympathizers, and
its just a matter of time if we leave, that they will get a hold of
Pakistan's nuclear arsenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Currently the US is engaged with back channel peace negotiations with
> > the Taliban
>
> What were you saying about the Nazi like regimes? So much for stopping
> them... (Insane)
>
> > Also the cost of the Libyan operation is about 1 billion dollars
>
> So cheap wars are more acceptable? Especially ones where we are
> backing al Qaeda, right? (Insane)
>
> > > Note: I don't demonize the government. There are clear things it
> > > should be doing(protect individuals
> > > from force and fraud).
>
> > Then why would be opposed to the Dodd-Frank Bill, that attempts to regulate
>
> It drives mom and pop operations under and allows the too big to get
> even bigger. It tells private citizens what to do with their money and
> property. It creates Monopolies. It's a piece of shit bill that was
> designed to favor big politically connected corporations. (Which is no
> surprise after seeing Dodd and Frank's role in the housing mess)
You are so fuckin ignorant. One of the provisions of the Dodd-Frank
bill limits the amount of swipe fees big banks can charge stores every
time they use their mastercard or visa debit/credit card. Currently
the big banks charge your beloved Mom and Pops stores, 40 cents or
roughly 1 percent of the purchase price every time a customer makes a
purchase at their store, this is in addition to fees charged by
Mastercard and Visa to consumers every time they use their card. The
big banks racked up billions charging these fees. The Dodd-frank bill
with senator Dick Durbin's amendment attached to it would limit the
amount of swipe fee surcharges to 12 cents per transaction.
>
> > > > So You argue for Corporatism by fait accompli:
>
> > > I argue for free market, free will and the right to allow people to
> > > make their own choices and you argue for a giant all controlling, all
> > > powerful government(worst kind of monopoly) that steals from the free
> > > market and taxpayers..
>
> > If you are not rich there is no free will in the market place.. It is
> > an Oligapoly!!!
>
> Our government(has monopoly on force) has done more to create
> monopolies and kill freewill than anything the free market has done or
> is doing.
Yah but you bitch about Verizon and AT&T being on the government dole,
when in fact they are not, they just have really good tax attorney's
like Michelle Bachman's of the world, so that Verizon can get of
paying its fair share in taxes cuz of all the loop holes in the tax
code, and becaus the Wireless broadband market is an Oligopoly, with
these two companies, pending AT&T's meger with T-Mobile, means that
now 80 percent of the market will be controlled by 2 companies. Also
AT&T is being sued by consumers in a class action suit, for charging
customers sometimes as much as 300 percent, for iPhone use they never
used!!! That's not capitalism, rather monopolistic
mercantilism!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.itworld.com/networking/166943/suit-charges-att-overcharges-much-300-iphone-data
>
> <Your link on Oligapoly at wiki>
> For example(Oligapoly), as of fourth quarter 2008, Verizon, AT&T,
> Sprint, Nextel, and T-Mobile together control 89% of the US cellular
> phone market.
Yah dip shit here's my link, since all you are capable of is
"primitive accumulation!!!!"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/lawsuit-claiming-at-t-is-overcharging-iphone-and-ipad-data-usage-may-not-go-to-trial/24927
You should also know that several former republican appointed FCC
commissioners have taken consulting jobs with AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> <end>
>
> These companies are perfect examples of what I said above. They are
> politically connected, they get shit loads of government cash and tax
> breaks, government regulations are designed to protect them and their
> market share, they get shitloads of no bid government contracts,
Oh you are talking about Bush's sweet heart deal with former vice
president Dick Cheney's company, Haliburton/ Kellog Brown and Root,
that defrauded the american tax payer in Iraq reconstruction
contracts. Nice of you to be a fuckin moron!!!!!!!!!!!
> etc.
They get tax breaks because they have people like Michelle Bachman
representing them.
Analysis: 12 Corporations Pay Effective Tax Rate of Negative 1.5%
on $171 Billion in Profits; Reap $62.4 Billion in Tax Subsidies
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/12corps060111.pdf
-excerpt-
Exxon Mobil, Boeing, Verizon, Others Illustrate Why Revenue-Raising
Reform is Needed
Washington, DC – To better inform the public and lawmakers about how
successful many American corporations have been in reducing or
eliminating their federal income taxes, Citizens for Tax Justice is
releasing a preview of its forthcoming major study of Fortune 500
companies and the taxes they paid — or failed to pay — over the
2008-10 period. Today’s release details the pretax U.S. profits,
federal taxes paid and effective tax rates of (in alphabetical
order):
American Electric Power, Boeing, Dupont, Exxon Mobil, FedEx, General
Electric, Honeywell International, IBM, United Technologies, Verizon
Communications, Wells Fargo and Yahoo.
>
> > >.And if they have the nerve to say "no" then
> > > they're thrown in jail(or in some cases murdered by FBI agents raiding
> > > their home).
>
> > I didnt agree with what happened at Ruby Ridge or Waco.
>
> This isn't just those two instances. All Americans have to give our
> government its dues. Our government has a complete monopoly on force
> and can murder anyone in an instance for no reason at all. (Which is
> why it should be limited)
>
> And why it shouldn't be involved in bogus drug wars and the like.
>
> > while at the same time the reactionary White nationalist movement
> > recieved little federal attention
>
> Maybe it would have gotten done if our government wasn't fighting
> insane wars, funding our allies defense, locking up millions of people
> in a silly drug war, etc)
>
> There is a good chance the bombing would have never happened if our
> government had been like it was designed(limited). Same could be said
> for 9/11, which Osama claimed was because of the foreign policy you
> support.
>
> > > > In your view we should never had the Social Security program, or
> > > > Medicare
>
> > > No, I argue that a person should have a choice and should get to
> > > choose where their money goes. If they choose to invest in such
> > > things, then so be it. (Why do you hate free choice and free will?)
as usual tards like you resort to the ivory tower musings of the
Bourbon dynasty, before reality sets in and you get guillitoned, i.e.,
thrown from your hypocritical heartless perch!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Only a sucker or someone who is rich and already is a trust funder
> > would make that argument.
>
> I'm for the complete opposite. This is your argument, this is what
> you're for.
>
> > Its the same argument that these corporate
> > types make about "Right to Work," intiatives trying to trick the
> > common man
>
> Nobody is being tricked to do anything. (You're Insane)
Oh and you argue that the Right to work intiative, isnt really about
tricking people into leaving their unions. Without collective
bargaining workers have no power or leverage regarding their
wages!!!!!!!! Just look at walmart, they are anti-union and so they
pay less than comparably placed unionized retail sector jobs, like in
grocery stores. They also rarely offer health insurance and that's if
you are employed full time, so they will usually schedule you just
under the minimum requirement to qualify for health coverage under
state law so that they dont have to pay you health benefits. I Had
friends who worked at Walmart while going to college, they are the
evil empire!!!!!!!!! The Walton family who owns walmart is
collectively worth 80 billion dollars, and they get the most of their
product from sweatshop Communist chinese labor. You have no idea what
the fuck you are talking about when it comes to free will, neither did
Louis XVI did before he get his head cut off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eat shit bitch!!!!!!
thomaswheat1975
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>
> <snip crazy ramblings>
> You're a psychotic moron.