The Decreasing Cost of Renewables Unlikely To Plateau Anytime Soon, Yet Consumer's Electric Bills Continue To Climb - High Levels of Renewable Energy Penetration Make Electricity Expensive Around The World

[AlleyCat]

Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices...

https://www.forbes.com > sites > michaelshellenberger > 2018 > 04 > 25 > yes-
solar-and-wind-really-do-increase-electricity-prices-and-for-inherently-
physical-reasons

In Nevada, electricity prices fell 15 percent while electricity from solar and
wind grew from 1 to 12 percent, between 2009 and 2017. However, it is neither
remarkable that there are outlier...

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Solar Prices On The Rise; Plus Why The Middle East Needs To Change Its Oil Bet

6/16/2021

Solar prices on the rise; plus why the Middle East needs ...

https://www.msn.com ? en-us ? money ? markets ? solar-prices-on-the-rise-plus-
why-the-middle-east-needs-to-change-its-oil-bet ? ar-AAL6OEF

Solar prices on the rise; plus why the Middle East needs to change its oil bet
... It was only a matter of time before the falling solar and wind prices that
have made renewable energy so enticing ...

=====

Electricity prices in California rose three times more in...

https://environmentalprogress.org > big-news > 2018 > 2 > 12 > electricity-
prices-rose-three-times-more-in-california-than-in-rest-of-us-in-2017

High levels of renewable energy penetration make electricity expensive around
the world, not just in California. As Germany deployed high levels of
renewables over the last 10 years it saw its electricity prices rise 34
percent. Today, German electricity costs twice as much as that in neighboring
France.


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Records:

In 2021 (To Date), A Total of 222 All-Time Low Temperature Records Have Been
Broken In The United States, Versus Just The 7 For All-Time High

Also, in 2021 (To Date), U.S. Has Set 17,450 New LOW Temperature Records This
Year vs 13,886 High

Also also, in 2021 (To Date), Over the Past 7 Days, Thousands of Low
Temperature Records Fell Across the United States

Also, also also, (To Date) North America Has Set 233 New All-Time Monthly Low
Temperature Records In May (So Far) vs. Just The 18 Record Highs

Also, also also, also, Over the Past 7 Days, the United States Broke 3,782 Low
Temperature Records Vs Just the 518 Max

Also, also also, also, also, The United States (Lower-48) Just Set Its Coldest
Temperature Ever Recorded This Early In the Season

Also, also also, also, also, also, Hundreds of All-Time Records Fall Across
North America: "This Cold Weather Is Not Normal!"

The All-Time Record For 'Coldest High Temperature' Also Fell On Monday

Cold Ravages Europe With "Agricultural Disaster" Declared In France, As Record
Cold Hits UK

Record Low November Temperatures Sweep Delhi, India

Spain Records Its Coldest-Ever Temprature (MoP)

Record October Lows/Snows Threaten Majority of North America as Arctic Air
Prepares to Plunge South

The UK Records Its Coldest September Temperature in 23 Years

Bone-Chilling Cold Sweeps Northeast Russia, Records from the 1950s and 60s Fall

Record Spring Cold Sweeps Brazil + a Continent-Wide Polar Blast On Course to
Hit South America

100-Year-Old Cold Records Smashed In Reno, Nevada - This Simply Should Not Be
Happening In a Warming World

Record Cold Hits the Russian Arctic Coast

China Plans Record LNG Imports to Battle Unprecedented Cold

Lake Tahoe Sets Its 3rd Record Low In a Week As Unprecedented November Cold
Lingers In The West

Record Lows Sweep Northeastern United States

Killing Freeze Hits Kansas As All-Time Cold Records Fall

Records Fall Across India

Arctic April Grips North America Breaking Hundreds of All-Time Cold Records

Unseasonable, Record-Breaking Cold Across Country Blamed For at Least 8 Deaths
- Record-Breaking Cold Blast Grips Over 200 Million Across The Country

Parts Of UK And US Suffer Their Lowest May Temperatures On Record

Australia: December 1st Threatens Record Cold And Rare Summer Snow

Calgary Ties Its Longest Streak Below 20C (68F) In Recorded History

Unprecedented Spring Snow Hits Parts of Australia As Regions Suffer Their
Coldest September Temperatures Ever Recorded

Australia To Suffer Yet Another Continent-Wide Icy Blast ? Low Temperature
Records Will Be 'Shattered'

The Month of May Brings Record (Sometimes Historic) Cold To Both Hemispheres

20+ Weather Stations Across China Equal/Break Lowest-Ever Temperature Records
for Month of December

Denver Obliterates All-Time Low Temperature Records In Weather Books Dating
Back 148 Years

Antarctica Just Set Its Coldest March Temperature On Record: A Global Warming
Destroying -75.3C (-103.5F)"

UK Set For Its Coldest October On Record

Katesbridge, Ireland Just Recorded September Temperature of All-Time

Global Temperatures Suffer Second Largest Two Month Drop In Recorded History

Arctic Freeze Set to Break 142-Year-Old Low Temperature Record In Cheyenne, WY

In The Land of The Drought And Heat - Multiple Cold Records Fell In California
Monday

Bad Cold News:

Winter Returns To North America - April 14th

Australia - "Worst Frosts in Decades"

Slovenia Suffers Coldest April Temp In History

Europe's Polar Cold To Intensify Through April, As North America Braces For A
Similar Fate - Grand Solar Minimum

Switzerland Registers Coldest Spell in 3-Decades

European Fruit Shortage Expected

Spring Freeze Shortens Fall Apple Season For Indiana Orchards: "It's the Worst
We've Seen In Decades"

Colorado's Historic October Cold, Turns Deadly

According to the MSM, Global Warming Could Still Make It Too COLD to Grow
Citrus Fruits In Southeast U.S.

5th Cold Spring In A Row

Extreme Cold Blamed for 17 Deaths in Midwest, Northeast; Frostbite Injuries
Quickly Adding Up in Chicago

Delhi Just Shivered Through Its Coldest Month of October Since 1962

Why Is North America Immune to Global Warming?

Lamestream Media Blames The East's Heat On "Climate Change" While Ignoring The
West's Dominating Cold

Extreme Cold Kills 900+ Trees in Montana City - November 4, 2020

Northwest Territories to Suffer "Colder-Than-Average Winter," Warns Environment
And Climate Change Canada

A Staggering 23 Norwegian Weather Stations Logged Their COLDEST-EVER July
Temperature Last Month

Prepare for More Extreme Cold Weather in Yucatan, Mexico Warns Meteorologist

Severe Spring Frosts Destroy Crops Across Europe

Century-old "LOWS" Follow Century-old "SNOWS" across Michigan's Upper Peninsula

France Is Suffering Its Coldest Start to Fall Since 1998, With Additional
Arctic Blasts Forecast

Cold, Snow, And Epic Flooding: "the Weather In Slovakia Is Reminiscent of the
Apocalypse"

Delhi Suffers Coldest Month of November In 71 Years, Since Before The Birth of
The Indian Republic

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices.

No.

Post by AlleyCat
[snip plagiarized bullshit rat-boi Schild hasn't even read]
[I just *LOVE* the way that notice pisses rat-boi Schild off]

[wotawonderfulworld]

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices.

No.

Funny, i put solar on my Shed and a battery system + backup generator, and
I don't get any bills at all now, So it sort of went down WELL down for me.

If i had done nothing i'm sure the prices would have gone up, everything
goes up all the time.

Post by AlleyCat
[snip plagiarized bullshit rat-boi Schild hasn't even read]
[I just *LOVE* the way that notice pisses rat-boi Schild off]

[AlleyCat]

On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:33:02 -0700, Rudy Canoza says...

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices.

No.

Prove it wrong, bitch.

=====

Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices -- And For Inherently
Physical Reasons


In my last column I discussed an apparent paradox: why, if solar panels and
wind turbines are so cheap, do they appear to be making electricity so
expensive?

One big reason seems to be their inherently unreliable nature, which requires
expensive additions to the electrical grid in the form of natural gas plants,
hydro-electric dams, batteries, or some other form of stand-by power.

Several readers kindly pointed out that I had failed to mention a huge cost of
adding renewables: new transmission lines.

Transmission is much more expensive for solar and wind than other plants. This
is true around the world - for physical reasons.

Think of it this way. It would take 18 of California's Ivanpah solar farms to
produce the same amount of electricity that comes from our Diablo Canyon
nuclear plant.

And where just one set of transmission lines are required to bring power from
Diablo Canyon, 18 separate transmission lines would be required to bring power
from solar farms like Ivanpha.

Moreover, these transmission lines are in most cases longer. That's because our
solar farms are far away in the desert, where it is sunny and land is cheap. By
contrast, Diablo Canyon and San Onofre nuclear plants are on the coast right
near where most Californians live. (The same is true for wind.)

New transmission lines can make electricity cheaper, but not when they are used
only part of the time and duplicate rather than replace current equipment.

Other readers pointed to cases that appear to challenge the claim that
increased solar and wind deployments increase electricity prices.

John Hanger, a former Secretary of Planning and Policy for the state of
Pennsylvania, pointed to the states of South Dakota, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
Kansas, Texas, and Iowa as "examples of high wind/solar (up to 30% or more) and
average/below average prices."

My colleagues Madison Czerwinski and Mark Nelson pulled the data and here is
what they found:

For the U.S. as a whole, electricity prices rose 7 percent while electricity
from solar and wind grew from two to eight percent from 2009 to 2017
In North Dakota, electricity prices rose 40 percent while electricity from
solar and wind grew from nine to 27 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In South Dakota, electricity prices rose 34 percent while electricity from
solar and wind grew from five to 30 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Kansas, electricity prices rose 33 percent while electricity from solar and
wind grew from six to 36 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Iowa, electricity prices rose 21 percent while electricity from solar and
wind grew from 14 to 37 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Oklahoma, electricity prices rose 18 percent while electricity from solar
and wind grew from four to 32 percent between 2009 and 2017.

What about Hawaii, California, and Nevada - states that, Hanger noted, "have
10% solar or more"?

In Hawaii, electricity prices rose 23 percent, while electricity from solar and
wind grew from 3 to 18 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In California, electricity prices rose 22 percent, while electricity from solar
and wind grew from 3 to 23 percent between 2009 and 2017.

Does that mean that deploying solar and wind at-scale always and everywhere
increases electricity prices? No. In some cases, the high cost that unreliable
solar and wind impose on the electrical grid are offset by much larger declines
in the price of other fuels, namely natural gas.

Texas and Nevada are two cases in point. In Texas, electricity retail prices
fell 14 percent, while electricity from solar and wind grew from 5 to 15
percent between 2009 and 2017. In Nevada, electricity prices fell 15 percent
while electricity from solar and wind grew from 1 to 12 percent, between 2009
and 2017.

However, it is neither remarkable that there are outlier states nor that they
are Texas and Nevada.

Many factors beyond the relative reliability of a power plant determine
electricity prices. We have been discussing the big ones, which include but are
not limited to the addition of new solar and wind and the costs they impose due
to their unreliability.

Texas, for example, is the epicenter of the fracking revolution. Between 2009
and 2017, natural gas prices for Texas power plants fell 21 percent and
wholesale electricity prices fell 21 percent.

Texas energy experts point to the way the way Texas electricity market is
structured, which has allowed some high-profile bankruptcies of natural gas
generators, and a re-tightening of supply last year.

That tightening of supply contributed to a 27% increase in electricity prices
in 2017 and, according to Bloomberg, prices in Texas are going to increase
again. ("Think power's expensive in Texas this year? Just Wait Until 2019.")

Meanwhile, solar plants in Nevada are, like those in California, the most
efficient in the nation, producing electricity at whopping 30 percent of its
rated capacity. By contrast, solar in New Jersey has a "capacity factor" of
just 12 percent.

Nevada thus benefited more from cheaper gas and high solar capacity factors
than relatively modest amount of intermittent solar in an extremely sunny
climate.

Integrating solar on to the grid is much easier when to do when you can easily
turn natural gas plants up and down to accommodate their intermittency. And
it's much easier to do when it is 12 percent of your electricity instead of 20
percent.

But even at low levels, problems arise. According to the research done by Lion
Hirth, solar's value drops by 50 percent when it gets to just 15 percent of
mix. While those values may be different for Nevada, the impact of
unreliability is the same.

What is most remarkable about U.S. states heavy in solar and wind is that
electricity prices rose so much given the huge decline in natural gas prices.

Had natural gas prices not plummeted at what was almost the exact same time as
the beginning of the large-scale build-out of solar and wind in the United
States, price increases in solar and wind heavy states would have been far
larger.

Around the world, from Germany and Denmark to Spain and South Australia, even
modest penetrations of solar and wind, compared to what advocates claim we will
need to decarbonize, lead to large price increases.

Consider Spain. Its electricity prices were below the European average in 2009.
Today they are among the highest in Europe. There is little debate in Spain
that this was a result of adding so much solar and wind, which led the
government to cut subsidies.

Some readers suggested that the contribution of solar and wind to high
electricity prices was a legacy of older, more expensive projects, and implied
that rising solar and wind penetrations would decline in the future.

This thinking requires ignoring both physics and economics. The value of solar
and wind decline in economic value as they become larger shares of the
electricity grid for physical reasons. They produce too much energy when
societies don't need it and not enough energy when they do.

This problem is temporarily fixed through short-term (but still expensive)
work-arounds - like California and Germany paying their neighbors to take their
excess electricity.

But the more solar and wind are added, the problem is worsened, not improved,
which is why the economic value of solar and wind decline as they become a
larger part of the grid.

Moreover, we can see that in places like Germany, which is now procuring solar
and wind at their supposed rock-bottom prices, is still paying massively more
for electricity.

Germany spent 24.3 billion euros above market electricity prices in 2017 for
its renewable energy feed-in tariffs.
Renewables require a massively larger material throughput than other energy
sources.

Renewables require a massively larger material throughput than other energy
sources. Environmental Progress

For example, solar and wind farms require at least an order of magnitude more
land than non-renewable plants. A single example dramatically illustrates the
difference. California's Ivanpah solar farm produces 18 times less electricity
on more than 290 times more land than Diablo Canyon nuclear plant.

This reality could, along with new transmission, be a significant additional
driver of higher costs, now and in the future.

The cost of land and expensive new transmission lines can be eliminated if you
have solar on your roof, note solar developers, but the savings on transmission
are more than cancelled out by higher installation costs.

What all of these additional costs have in common is that they stem directly
from underlying physical limits with generating electricity from sunlight and
wind. Both "fuels" are dilute and unreliable.

To make up for those inherent weaknesses, expanding energy from solar panels
and wind turbines requires massively increasing the physical footprint of
energy production.

Renewables require the use of vastly more land, longer and less-utilized
transmission lines, and large amounts of storage whether from lithium
batteries, new dams, compressed air caverns.

All renewables thus require a material throughput - from mining to processing
to installing to disposing of the materials later as waste - that is orders of
magnitude larger than for non-renewable energy sources.

As such, while there is and will remain complexity and uncertainty about the
specific causes of why solar and wind make electricity expensive, most if not
all stem from their underlying physical and (thus environmental constraint),
which is the limited, diffuse, dilute, and unreliable nature of renewable
fuels.

And that's something we need to talk about - and deal with - if we are to
protect the natural environment while expanding prosperity to all.

============================================================================

[I Just *LOVE* The Way This Sig-file Makes Boi-Fucker Lose His Fucking Mind]


Rudy's Little Man's Disease: A disease of short males marked by aggressive
antisocial behavior and constant overcompensation resulting in pompous
mannerisms such as spitting, twitching, swearing, speaking loudly and tough
talk.

"I can kill you with one hand. You know this." - Rudy

The disease only affects teenagers or men who are less than 5' 6" tall.

"I'm about eight inches shorter than Trump [6' 2"]." - Rudy

The severity of this disease is inversely proportional to the height of the
sufferer. Other characteristics of this scourge are a very short penis, acne,
low I.Q and bad etiquette.

Often these males are homophobic to the point of insanity because of latent
sexual orientation issues.

**FAGGOT!**

"Fixed your lie, you you no-fight faggot." - Rudy

"Thanks for kicking my faggot ass." - Rudy

"'Self' is redundant, you toothless squat-to-piss no-fight faggot. - Rudy

"I've beaten *you* to a bloody pulp, you squat-to-piss *no-fight* faggot -
every fucking time. You're a zero, as every, stale, squat-to-piss *no-fight*
faggot who incessantly bleats about "mommy's basement" *ALWAYS* is." - Rudy

"... you you no-fight faggot." - Rudy

"... you toothless squat-to-piss no-fight faggot" - Rudy

"Kicked your flabby faggot ass again. Yes." - Rudy

"You a Squat-to-Piss Faggot." - Rudy

"The disgusting gurgling, slurping sounds below are just the faggots Hartung,
Sanitary Napkin and Bit of Nothingness enjoying a three-way" - Rudy

"YOU lose, Nazi faggot." - Rudy

Little Man's Disease is an untreatable epidemic in this country.

This is Rudy: https://i.imgur.com/6yNwiqK.mp4

[Unum]

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices...

Methane prices skyrocketing and ratboy whines about cheap renewables.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php
"We expect the share of electric power generation produced by natural gas in
the United States will average 36% in 2021 and 37% in 2022, down from 39% in
2020. The forecast share for natural gas as a generation fuel declines in
response to our expectation of a higher delivered natural gas price for
electricity generators, which we forecast will average $4.46/MMBtu in 2021
compared with an average of $2.39/MMBtu in 2020."

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices...

Bullshit.

Post by AlleyCat
[snip plagiarized bullshit rat-boi Schild hasn't even read]
[I just *LOVE* the way that notice pisses rat-boi Schild off]

[AlleyCat]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 07:22:32 -0700, Rudy Canoza says...

Post by AlleyCat
Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices...
Bullshit

Prove it wrong, bitch.

=====

Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/04/25/yes-
solar-and-wind-really-do-increase-electricity-prices-and-for-inherently-
physical-reasons

Yes, Solar And Wind Really Do Increase Electricity Prices -- And For Inherently
Physical Reasons


In my last column I discussed an apparent paradox: why, if solar panels and
wind turbines are so cheap, do they appear to be making electricity so
expensive?

One big reason seems to be their inherently unreliable nature, which requires
expensive additions to the electrical grid in the form of natural gas plants,
hydro-electric dams, batteries, or some other form of stand-by power.

Several readers kindly pointed out that I had failed to mention a huge cost of
adding renewables: new transmission lines.

Transmission is much more expensive for solar and wind than other plants. This
is true around the world - for physical reasons.

Think of it this way. It would take 18 of California's Ivanpah solar farms to
produce the same amount of electricity that comes from our Diablo Canyon
nuclear plant.

And where just one set of transmission lines are required to bring power from
Diablo Canyon, 18 separate transmission lines would be required to bring power
from solar farms like Ivanpha.

Moreover, these transmission lines are in most cases longer. That's because our
solar farms are far away in the desert, where it is sunny and land is cheap. By
contrast, Diablo Canyon and San Onofre nuclear plants are on the coast right
near where most Californians live. (The same is true for wind.)

New transmission lines can make electricity cheaper, but not when they are used
only part of the time and duplicate rather than replace current equipment.

Other readers pointed to cases that appear to challenge the claim that
increased solar and wind deployments increase electricity prices.

John Hanger, a former Secretary of Planning and Policy for the state of
Pennsylvania, pointed to the states of South Dakota, North Dakota, Oklahoma,
Kansas, Texas, and Iowa as "examples of high wind/solar (up to 30% or more) and
average/below average prices."

My colleagues Madison Czerwinski and Mark Nelson pulled the data and here is
what they found:

For the U.S. as a whole, electricity prices rose 7 percent while electricity
from solar and wind grew from two to eight percent from 2009 to 2017
In North Dakota, electricity prices rose 40 percent while electricity from
solar and wind grew from nine to 27 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In South Dakota, electricity prices rose 34 percent while electricity from
solar and wind grew from five to 30 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Kansas, electricity prices rose 33 percent while electricity from solar and
wind grew from six to 36 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Iowa, electricity prices rose 21 percent while electricity from solar and
wind grew from 14 to 37 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In Oklahoma, electricity prices rose 18 percent while electricity from solar
and wind grew from four to 32 percent between 2009 and 2017.

What about Hawaii, California, and Nevada - states that, Hanger noted, "have
10% solar or more"?

In Hawaii, electricity prices rose 23 percent, while electricity from solar and
wind grew from 3 to 18 percent between 2009 and 2017.
In California, electricity prices rose 22 percent, while electricity from solar
and wind grew from 3 to 23 percent between 2009 and 2017.

Does that mean that deploying solar and wind at-scale always and everywhere
increases electricity prices? No. In some cases, the high cost that unreliable
solar and wind impose on the electrical grid are offset by much larger declines
in the price of other fuels, namely natural gas.

Texas and Nevada are two cases in point. In Texas, electricity retail prices
fell 14 percent, while electricity from solar and wind grew from 5 to 15
percent between 2009 and 2017. In Nevada, electricity prices fell 15 percent
while electricity from solar and wind grew from 1 to 12 percent, between 2009
and 2017.

However, it is neither remarkable that there are outlier states nor that they
are Texas and Nevada.

Many factors beyond the relative reliability of a power plant determine
electricity prices. We have been discussing the big ones, which include but are
not limited to the addition of new solar and wind and the costs they impose due
to their unreliability.

Texas, for example, is the epicenter of the fracking revolution. Between 2009
and 2017, natural gas prices for Texas power plants fell 21 percent and
wholesale electricity prices fell 21 percent.

Texas energy experts point to the way the way Texas electricity market is
structured, which has allowed some high-profile bankruptcies of natural gas
generators, and a re-tightening of supply last year.

That tightening of supply contributed to a 27% increase in electricity prices
in 2017 and, according to Bloomberg, prices in Texas are going to increase
again. ("Think power's expensive in Texas this year? Just Wait Until 2019.")

Meanwhile, solar plants in Nevada are, like those in California, the most
efficient in the nation, producing electricity at whopping 30 percent of its
rated capacity. By contrast, solar in New Jersey has a "capacity factor" of
just 12 percent.

Nevada thus benefited more from cheaper gas and high solar capacity factors
than relatively modest amount of intermittent solar in an extremely sunny
climate.

Integrating solar on to the grid is much easier when to do when you can easily
turn natural gas plants up and down to accommodate their intermittency. And
it's much easier to do when it is 12 percent of your electricity instead of 20
percent.

But even at low levels, problems arise. According to the research done by Lion
Hirth, solar's value drops by 50 percent when it gets to just 15 percent of
mix. While those values may be different for Nevada, the impact of
unreliability is the same.

What is most remarkable about U.S. states heavy in solar and wind is that
electricity prices rose so much given the huge decline in natural gas prices.

Had natural gas prices not plummeted at what was almost the exact same time as
the beginning of the large-scale build-out of solar and wind in the United
States, price increases in solar and wind heavy states would have been far
larger.

Around the world, from Germany and Denmark to Spain and South Australia, even
modest penetrations of solar and wind, compared to what advocates claim we will
need to decarbonize, lead to large price increases.

Consider Spain. Its electricity prices were below the European average in 2009.
Today they are among the highest in Europe. There is little debate in Spain
that this was a result of adding so much solar and wind, which led the
government to cut subsidies.

Some readers suggested that the contribution of solar and wind to high
electricity prices was a legacy of older, more expensive projects, and implied
that rising solar and wind penetrations would decline in the future.

This thinking requires ignoring both physics and economics. The value of solar
and wind decline in economic value as they become larger shares of the
electricity grid for physical reasons. They produce too much energy when
societies don't need it and not enough energy when they do.

This problem is temporarily fixed through short-term (but still expensive)
work-arounds - like California and Germany paying their neighbors to take their
excess electricity.

But the more solar and wind are added, the problem is worsened, not improved,
which is why the economic value of solar and wind decline as they become a
larger part of the grid.

Moreover, we can see that in places like Germany, which is now procuring solar
and wind at their supposed rock-bottom prices, is still paying massively more
for electricity.

Germany spent 24.3 billion euros above market electricity prices in 2017 for
its renewable energy feed-in tariffs.
Renewables require a massively larger material throughput than other energy
sources.

Renewables require a massively larger material throughput than other energy
sources. Environmental Progress

For example, solar and wind farms require at least an order of magnitude more
land than non-renewable plants. A single example dramatically illustrates the
difference. California's Ivanpah solar farm produces 18 times less electricity
on more than 290 times more land than Diablo Canyon nuclear plant.

This reality could, along with new transmission, be a significant additional
driver of higher costs, now and in the future.

The cost of land and expensive new transmission lines can be eliminated if you
have solar on your roof, note solar developers, but the savings on transmission
are more than cancelled out by higher installation costs.

What all of these additional costs have in common is that they stem directly
from underlying physical limits with generating electricity from sunlight and
wind. Both "fuels" are dilute and unreliable.

To make up for those inherent weaknesses, expanding energy from solar panels
and wind turbines requires massively increasing the physical footprint of
energy production.

Renewables require the use of vastly more land, longer and less-utilized
transmission lines, and large amounts of storage whether from lithium
batteries, new dams, compressed air caverns.

All renewables thus require a material throughput - from mining to processing
to installing to disposing of the materials later as waste - that is orders of
magnitude larger than for non-renewable energy sources.

As such, while there is and will remain complexity and uncertainty about the
specific causes of why solar and wind make electricity expensive, most if not
all stem from their underlying physical and (thus environmental constraint),
which is the limited, diffuse, dilute, and unreliable nature of renewable
fuels.

And that's something we need to talk about - and deal with - if we are to
protect the natural environment while expanding prosperity to all.

============================================================================

[I Just *LOVE* The Way This Sig-file Makes Boi-Fucker Lose His Fucking Mind]


Rudy's Little Man's Disease: A disease of short males marked by aggressive
antisocial behavior and constant overcompensation resulting in pompous
mannerisms such as spitting, twitching, swearing, speaking loudly and tough
talk.

"I can kill you with one hand. You know this." - Rudy

The disease only affects teenagers or men who are less than 5' 6" tall.

"I'm about eight inches shorter than Trump [6' 2"]." - Rudy

The severity of this disease is inversely proportional to the height of the
sufferer. Other characteristics of this scourge are a very short penis, acne,
low I.Q and bad etiquette.

Often these males are homophobic to the point of insanity because of latent
sexual orientation issues.

**FAGGOT!**

"Fixed your lie, you you no-fight faggot." - Rudy

"Thanks for kicking my faggot ass." - Rudy

"'Self' is redundant, you toothless squat-to-piss no-fight faggot. - Rudy

"I've beaten *you* to a bloody pulp, you squat-to-piss *no-fight* faggot -
every fucking time. You're a zero, as every, stale, squat-to-piss *no-fight*
faggot who incessantly bleats about "mommy's basement" *ALWAYS* is." - Rudy

"... you you no-fight faggot." - Rudy

"... you toothless squat-to-piss no-fight faggot" - Rudy

"Kicked your flabby faggot ass again. Yes." - Rudy

"You a Squat-to-Piss Faggot." - Rudy

"The disgusting gurgling, slurping sounds below are just the faggots Hartung,
Sanitary Napkin and Bit of Nothingness enjoying a three-way" - Rudy

"YOU lose, Nazi faggot." - Rudy

Little Man's Disease is an untreatable epidemic in this country.

This is Rudy: https://i.imgur.com/6yNwiqK.mp4