Very nice color Inkjet printer for OS/2

[David T. Johnson]

For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2. The Canon i850 has
been sold for about a year and has received excellent reviews for its
photo quality, printing speed, quietness, and low ink cost. It uses
four individual ink tanks and has the '2 picoliter droplet' Canon ink
printing system. The Canon inkjets use ink tanks separate from the
print head so the replacement cost of an individual ink tank is very
inexpensive relative to other inkjet printers.

The printer has both an LPT and a USB port and will work in OS/2 very
nicely with either of these. The Canon BJC-8500 Windows 3.1 driver will
work with this printer and provide Win-OS2 printing in OS/2. You can
even print in Win-OS2 to the Canon i850 connected with the USB port by
'connecting the printer in win-os2 to a LPT.OS2 port and redirecting the
output in OS/2 to the USB port. I have been using this printer for
several months and have been extremely impressed with its photo quality
printing, its rapid speed, and its miserly use of ink. If you need a
color printer for OS/2 and you can find one of these to buy, go for it.

For those who also use Windows, the printer also comes with a full set
of Windows drivers and also provides a very high photo print quality in
Windows.

[Fred Blau]

What's the Canon URL for the refurbished i850?

I've been thinking about buying the newer i860 or the i960, but $70
looks attractive. The i850 got rave reviews when it was first
introduced. The two newer models are supposed to be slightly
better, but I have not read any comparisons.



On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:00:18 UTC, "David T. Johnson"

Post by David T. Johnson
For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
outlets for about $70 USD....

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Fred Blau
What's the Canon URL for the refurbished i850?

I just saw the i850 for sale at Fry's electronics for $70 but I'm sure
it is elsewhere as well. The Fry's URL is:

http://www.frys.com/

Post by Fred Blau
I've been thinking about buying the newer i860 or the i960, but $70
looks attractive. The i850 got rave reviews when it was first
introduced. The two newer models are supposed to be slightly
better, but I have not read any comparisons.

It looks like the newer models have similar print quality but I'm not
sure if the OS/2 drivers for the Canon i850 would work with the i860.
If someone has tried them, it would be helpful if they would jump in and
post here. I have used HP, Epson, Lexmark, and now Canon inkjets and
the Canon i850 is by far the best inkjet I have ever used.

Post by Fred Blau
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:00:18 UTC, "David T. Johnson"

Post by David T. Johnson
For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
outlets for about $70 USD....

[Wolf Kirchmeir]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:00:18 -0800, David T. Johnson wrote:

=>For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
=>for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
=>'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
=>outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
=>support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2. ...snip...

Since the -60 series is the successor to the -50 series, do
the same drivers work for both?

TIA.

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Wolf Kirchmeir
Since the -60 series is the successor to the -50 series, do
the same drivers work for both?

Yes (okay absolutely sure I can tell it only for the i560)

Klaus Staedtler

[Chris Stumpf]

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:00:18 -0800, David T. Johnson wrote:

:>For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
:>for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
:>'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
:>outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
:>support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2.

I have a Canon i850. Very nice printer. Very miserly with the ink usage. I
just got a low ink warning today on the black ink cartridge after printing
more than a ream of plain paper text. I've also printed about 30+ 4x6
photos. Regarding photo printing. The IBM OS/2 driver does not have photo
mode. It only has draft and normal. The normal mode on photo paper with
Stucki Diffusion gives very nice prints. Way better than my old Lexmark Z51
in photo mode under windows. But the prints look like utter crap when
compared to photo prints done with the windows drivers. If you intend to
print photos, you will need either Windows (W2k or XP is prefered because
Canon isn't updating the Win9x drivers anymore) or a Mac running OSX.




Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4


email: ***@monmouth.com
phone: [phone]

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
:>for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
:>'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
:>outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
:>support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2.
I have a Canon i850. Very nice printer. Very miserly with the ink usage. I
just got a low ink warning today on the black ink cartridge after printing
more than a ream of plain paper text. I've also printed about 30+ 4x6
photos. Regarding photo printing. The IBM OS/2 driver does not have photo
mode. It only has draft and normal. The normal mode on photo paper with
Stucki Diffusion gives very nice prints. Way better than my old Lexmark Z51
in photo mode under windows. But the prints look like utter crap when
compared to photo prints done with the windows drivers. If you intend to
print photos, you will need either Windows (W2k or XP is prefered because
Canon isn't updating the Win9x drivers anymore) or a Mac running OSX.

I've compared the OS/2 and Windows photo output side by side and the
OS/2 result is as good as, or better than, the Windows output, but you
have to set the driver settings properly for photo output. When you
print, select the 'setup' option for the printer from your print dialog
in whatever app you are using and when the print driver settings dialog
appears, there will be a button on the right side labelled 'predefined.'
Select that button, and then select the 'photo' radio button that
appears on the follow-up menu, then click 'save,' and exit to your app.
Your should then get high-quality photo output. The other thing that
I did was to define a new form for 4x6 glossy photo paper (which is my
primary photo output) by right-clicking on the printer driver object in
the setting notebook for the printer. The online help will walk you
through that but generally, you bring up the printer properties page for
the driver, then select the tray, paper size, and media type (use the
'glossy paper'), enter a new name for your form such as '4x6 photo
paper', and then click 'add.' Then, when you print, be sure to select
the new form.

[Chris Stumpf]

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:10:20 -0800, David T. Johnson wrote:

:>Chris Stumpf wrote:
:>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:00:18 -0800, David T. Johnson wrote:
:>>
:>> :>For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
:>> :>for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
:>> :>'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
:>> :>outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
:>> :>support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2.
:>>
:>> I have a Canon i850. Very nice printer. Very miserly with the ink usage. I
:>> just got a low ink warning today on the black ink cartridge after printing
:>> more than a ream of plain paper text. I've also printed about 30+ 4x6
:>> photos. Regarding photo printing. The IBM OS/2 driver does not have photo
:>> mode. It only has draft and normal. The normal mode on photo paper with
:>> Stucki Diffusion gives very nice prints. Way better than my old Lexmark Z51
:>> in photo mode under windows. But the prints look like utter crap when
:>> compared to photo prints done with the windows drivers. If you intend to
:>> print photos, you will need either Windows (W2k or XP is prefered because
:>> Canon isn't updating the Win9x drivers anymore) or a Mac running OSX.
:>
:>I've compared the OS/2 and Windows photo output side by side and the
:>OS/2 result is as good as, or better than, the Windows output, but you
:>have to set the driver settings properly for photo output. When you

I've done prints for comparison and the quality of the OS/2 drivers is far,
far below that of the Canon windows drivers.

:>print, select the 'setup' option for the printer from your print dialog
:>in whatever app you are using and when the print driver settings dialog
:>appears, there will be a button on the right side labelled 'predefined.'
:> Select that button, and then select the 'photo' radio button that
:>appears on the follow-up menu, then click 'save,' and exit to your app.

I've done that. Still don't get anything resemebling photo output. At least
compared to canon's drivers. And there is no option for photo quality. Just
draft and normal even after following your directions.

:> Your should then get high-quality photo output. The other thing that
:>I did was to define a new form for 4x6 glossy photo paper (which is my
:>primary photo output) by right-clicking on the printer driver object in
:>the setting notebook for the printer. The online help will walk you
:>through that but generally, you bring up the printer properties page for
:>the driver, then select the tray, paper size, and media type (use the
:>'glossy paper'), enter a new name for your form such as '4x6 photo
:>paper', and then click 'add.' Then, when you print, be sure to select
:>the new form.
:>
Did this too. Didn't help. Do me a favor and scan one of your photos and
email it to me. I want to see this for myself. Also, I can't seem to get
the driver to allow borderless printing. Very annoying, especially since it
want's 1.1 inch borders on the short side of a 4x6.


I still hold that the IBM OS/2 Omni drivers DO NOT support photo printing on
the Canon i series printers.

Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4


email: ***@monmouth.com
phone: [phone]

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>>
:>> :>For anyone looking for a high-quality inexpensive color inkjet printer
:>> :>for OS/2, I would recommend the Canon i850. Canon is selling a
:>> :>'refurbished' version of these that can be had on the web and in retail
:>> :>outlets for about $70 USD. IBM has released OS/2 drivers for these that
:>> :>support very nice photo-quality printing in OS/2.
:>>
:>> I have a Canon i850. Very nice printer. Very miserly with the ink usage. I
:>> just got a low ink warning today on the black ink cartridge after printing
:>> more than a ream of plain paper text. I've also printed about 30+ 4x6
:>> photos. Regarding photo printing. The IBM OS/2 driver does not have photo
:>> mode. It only has draft and normal. The normal mode on photo paper with
:>> Stucki Diffusion gives very nice prints. Way better than my old Lexmark Z51
:>> in photo mode under windows. But the prints look like utter crap when
:>> compared to photo prints done with the windows drivers. If you intend to
:>> print photos, you will need either Windows (W2k or XP is prefered because
:>> Canon isn't updating the Win9x drivers anymore) or a Mac running OSX.
:>
:>I've compared the OS/2 and Windows photo output side by side and the
:>OS/2 result is as good as, or better than, the Windows output, but you
:>have to set the driver settings properly for photo output. When you
I've done prints for comparison and the quality of the OS/2 drivers is far,
far below that of the Canon windows drivers.

Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
output. The OS/2 Omni driver gives a little bit sharper image, however.
The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
outputs such as 8x10.

If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
comparable, even if you look very closely. I use the following settings
for the BJC-8500 driver:

Print Mode: "Auto"
Print Quality: One slider notch below "fine"
(Note this option is under the 'advanced' button) The "fine" setting
sets the half-toning to "diffusion" which will not work properly with
the Canon i850 but one notch below "fine works okay.
Half-Toning: "Auto"
(manually setting half-toning will not work)

You can download the Canon Win 3.1 BJC-8500 driver from the Canon web
site at:

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/download/index.html

Select the BJC-8500 in the 'printers' box and follow the prompts to the
download page.

The file you want is "BJRSTR57.EXE" which is described as "Bubble Jet
Driver v5.70 for Windows 3.x". You need to have 32-bit windows to
extract this file. Once you get it extracted, though, it will install
in Win-OS2 if you follow the Windows 3.1 installation directions in the
readme.txt file.

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>print, select the 'setup' option for the printer from your print dialog
:>in whatever app you are using and when the print driver settings dialog
:>appears, there will be a button on the right side labelled 'predefined.'
:> Select that button, and then select the 'photo' radio button that
:>appears on the follow-up menu, then click 'save,' and exit to your app.
I've done that. Still don't get anything resemebling photo output. At least
compared to canon's drivers. And there is no option for photo quality. Just
draft and normal even after following your directions.
:> Your should then get high-quality photo output. The other thing that
:>I did was to define a new form for 4x6 glossy photo paper (which is my
:>primary photo output) by right-clicking on the printer driver object in
:>the setting notebook for the printer. The online help will walk you
:>through that but generally, you bring up the printer properties page for
:>the driver, then select the tray, paper size, and media type (use the
:>'glossy paper'), enter a new name for your form such as '4x6 photo
:>paper', and then click 'add.' Then, when you print, be sure to select
:>the new form.
:>
Did this too. Didn't help. Do me a favor and scan one of your photos and
email it to me. I want to see this for myself. Also, I can't seem to get
the driver to allow borderless printing. Very annoying, especially since it
want's 1.1 inch borders on the short side of a 4x6.
I still hold that the IBM OS/2 Omni drivers DO NOT support photo printing on
the Canon i series printers.
Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
phone: [phone]

[Martin Törnsten]

Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:46 -0800 received comm from
"David T. Johnson" <***@isomedia.com> on channel comp.os.os2.misc:

: Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
: the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
: is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
: color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
: closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98

And that's even very likely to be yesterday printing drivers and technology. For
best photo prints today you should use Win2000/XP on PC, or OSX on Mac.

Best regards,

martin törnsten

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Martin Törnsten
Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:46 -0800 received comm from
: Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
: the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
: is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
: color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
: closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
And that's even very likely to be yesterday printing drivers and technology. For
best photo prints today you should use Win2000/XP on PC, or OSX on Mac.

In this newsgroup, we are interested in what we can do while using OS/2.
Your comment is not helpful to that effort and is also off-topic for
the three newsgroups that you posted it in.

Post by Martin Törnsten
Best regards,
martin törnsten

[Martin Törnsten]

Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:52:07 -0800 received comm from
"David T. Johnson" <***@isomedia.com> on channel comp.os.os2.misc:

: Martin Törnsten wrote:
: > Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:46 -0800 received comm from


: > "David T. Johnson" <***@isomedia.com> on channel comp.os.os2.misc:

: > : the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver

[ snip on much more text written about Win98 print by no one else but Johnson ]

: > : closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98

[ and here is my comment regarding how good Win98 is as a photo standard: ]

: > And that's even very likely to be yesterday printing drivers and technology. For
: > best photo prints today you should use Win2000/XP on PC, or OSX on Mac.

: In this newsgroup, we are interested in what we can do while using OS/2.

David, you seem to (really strange, but perhaps some sort of finer tactical
feint from your side) have forgot that the thread was a comparison off how well
you could print under OS/2 compared to Windows. In fact *you* was part of that.
So if you want to forbid people comparing OS/2 to other systems (including
different versions of Windows), you should really start with your self, Mr
Johnson. What I (any other people in this thread as well) are saying that you
got to compare your output from OS/2 to modern printer drivers who uses the
photo printer as intended from the manufacture, and as Win 98 is an old legacy
OS (yes, I do know that MS still have some small official support for it, which
they recently extended, but in practice not even Microsoft supports it very
well, and that such a major product like Office isn't build for it speaks
volumes about that fact) I say you get a really faulty comparison by using this
as your "standard" as you most often in practice need either Windows 2000,
Windows XP or(if you prefer a non Microsoft comparison) MacOS X to get the 100%
photo quality as the manufactures of the printers has indented.

: Your comment is not helpful to that effort and is also off-topic for
: the three newsgroups that you posted it in.

You fail your own standards, Mr Johnson (see above). As usual I might add.

But I guess that quite obvious for all long time readers of these groups.

Best regards,

martin törnsten

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Martin Törnsten
Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:52:07 -0800 received comm from
: > Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:46 -0800 received comm from
: > : the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
[ snip on much more text written about Win98 print by no one else but Johnson ]
: > : closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
[ and here is my comment regarding how good Win98 is as a photo standard: ]
: > And that's even very likely to be yesterday printing drivers and technology. For
: > best photo prints today you should use Win2000/XP on PC, or OSX on Mac.
: In this newsgroup, we are interested in what we can do while using OS/2.
David, you seem to (really strange, but perhaps some sort of finer tactical
feint from your side) have forgot that the thread was a comparison off how well
you could print under OS/2 compared to Windows. In fact *you* was part of that.
So if you want to forbid people comparing OS/2 to other systems (including
different versions of Windows), you should really start with your self, Mr
Johnson.

No, the purpose of the thread is to discuss the use of the Canon printer
with the OS/2 operating system.

Post by Martin Törnsten
What I (any other people in this thread as well) are saying that you
got to compare your output from OS/2 to modern printer drivers who uses the
photo printer as intended from the manufacture,

Yes, I have been comparing the results obtained with the OS/2 driver and
the Windows driver. Since the Canon Windows driver is the only driver
supported by Canon, it is, of necessity, the standard for comparison.
Your only comment, however, was to suggest using Windows for printing.
You are no different than a BMW motorcycle owner posting in a Harley
Davidson forum.

Post by Martin Törnsten
and as Win 98 is an old legacy
OS (yes, I do know that MS still have some small official support for it, which
they recently extended, but in practice not even Microsoft supports it very
well, and that such a major product like Office isn't build for it speaks
volumes about that fact) I say you get a really faulty comparison by using this
as your "standard" as you most often in practice need either Windows 2000,
Windows XP or(if you prefer a non Microsoft comparison) MacOS X to get the 100%
photo quality as the manufactures of the printers has indented.

Now, you want to make comparisons between "legacy" Windows and other
Windows. Again, that is off-topic for this newsgroup. Your suggestion
that the Canon i850 driver performance is somehow different between
Windows XP and Windows 98 is also false and misleading to anyone who has
not used both. The Canon i850 performance is identical between Windows
98 and Windows XP.

Please don't post in this newsgroup if you are unable to make an
on-topic comment. If you want to compare OS/2 and Windows, the
appropriate newsgroups are the advocacy newsgroups for OS/2 and Windows.

I have said everything I have to say on this and I will not be
responding to any further comments you have to make on this point.

Post by Martin Törnsten
: Your comment is not helpful to that effort and is also off-topic for
: the three newsgroups that you posted it in.
You fail your own standards, Mr Johnson (see above). As usual I might add.
But I guess that quite obvious for all long time readers of these groups.

Your behavior in this thread is obvious.

[Fred Blau]

This thread is degenerating. Personally, I would like to know two
things about the Canon i850 (as well as the i860 and i960) printer:

(1) How good are the photos printed using OS/2 compared to the best
possible, presumably using Windows 2000, WinXP, or perhaps even
Win98? I prefer to use OS/2, but I have Win2k (it is difficult to
be without some form of Windows these days) as an alternative.

(2) How good are the photos printed by a Canon i850 (or i860 or
i960) compared to other printers of comparable cost? I will
probably buy one of the Canons, but I would like to know more about
them before choosing one. My present HP 950C is at best marginal
for photos.

Most of what I have read or seen about this Canon series of printer
is very encouraging, but it is mainly based on results using Win2k
or WinXP. One factor not mentioned here is that the cost of ink for
the Canons is generally lower than that for HP and Epson printers.
Another factor is speed: but personally I do not care much whether
the printer takes an extra minute to print a photo. A third factor,
cost of the printer, is what started this thread in the first place,
$70 for a refurbished i850.

All of this (particularly 2 above) may be somewhat (but not totally)
off-topic.

[Chris Stumpf]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:02:14 GMT, Fred Blau wrote:

:>This thread is degenerating. Personally, I would like to know two
:>things about the Canon i850 (as well as the i860 and i960) printer:
:>
:>(1) How good are the photos printed using OS/2 compared to the best
:>possible, presumably using Windows 2000, WinXP, or perhaps even
:>Win98? I prefer to use OS/2, but I have Win2k (it is difficult to
:>be without some form of Windows these days) as an alternative.
:>
If you are looking for the actual photo quality, then the OS/2 drivers are
not up to the task. The prints I do look like lab prints when using the
correct paper and the windows drivers. Also, depsite DTJ's assertion that
there is no quality difference between the Win9x driver and the W2k/XP
driver, he is wrong. I've tested both, the W2k/XP driver is newer and gives
slightly better output.

:>(2) How good are the photos printed by a Canon i850 (or i860 or
:>i960) compared to other printers of comparable cost? I will
:>probably buy one of the Canons, but I would like to know more about
:>them before choosing one. My present HP 950C is at best marginal
:>for photos.
:>
The OS/2 drivers will give slightly better output than the HP950C using the
windows drivers. Underwindows, the output will rival a photo lab.

:>Most of what I have read or seen about this Canon series of printer
:>is very encouraging, but it is mainly based on results using Win2k
:>or WinXP. One factor not mentioned here is that the cost of ink for
:>the Canons is generally lower than that for HP and Epson printers.
:>Another factor is speed: but personally I do not care much whether
:>the printer takes an extra minute to print a photo. A third factor,
:>cost of the printer, is what started this thread in the first place,
:>$70 for a refurbished i850.
:>
Yes, canon ink is very cheap. The canon printers also use less of it per
print than epson or hp. As for speed, the difference between a canon i850
and say the Epson R300 is a factor of 2 or 3. The canon will print a
borderless 8.5x11 photo in 2 minutes, the epson will take between 9 and 11
minutes. Which may or may not be a big deal if you don't print many photos
that size. But consider this, the print speed for 4x6 on the canon is about
40 second, while it it over 2 minutes on the epson. The canon will print 3
photos to every 1 the epson prints. If you are printing a set of 24 prints,
the canon will take about 16 minutes while the epson will take an arduous 1
hour. This is very typical if you are printing out a set of photos for
someone. Now if you are printing doubles, the epson is at 2 hours and the
canon is done in 32 minutes. Canon does have a reputation for fading prints
though. They have reformulated their paper to deal with the issue, the new
paper has the canon name on the back, similar to Kodak photos. Even so,
inkjet prints should be stored either in an album or framed behind glass.
Paper helps. Canon printers work best with the Canon Photo Paper Pro, Epson
photo paper or Redriver paper.

Check out these sites for more info:

http://www.dpreview.com
http://www.photo-i.co.uk
http://www.steves-digicams.com

They all have reviews and forums. There is a wealth of info in the forums.
Spend some time lurking. Also, take some of the complaints with a grain of
salt. Many people that post about color casts and banding are overly
sensitive and you probably won't be able to even see the problem they are
complaining about even after they point it out to you. An example, one guy
was complaining about a banding problem that no one else could duplicate and
after he sent some samples to another person they were unable to see the
banding he was refering too. It was then that he admitted to using an 8x
eyeloop to examine the prints.



Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4


email: ***@monmouth.com
phone: [phone]

[Fred Blau]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:34:05 UTC, "Chris Stumpf"

... As for speed, the difference between a
canon i850 and say the Epson R300 is a factor of 2 or 3.

I've snipped most of your comments, even though they were helpful.

On the speed issue, as I wrote earlier, it is less interesting to me
as a home user. Mainly this relates to the cost of printing photos.
I estimate that for a 4x6 print, the best I can do with a Canon
printer is still more costly than than what I pay at Costco, namely
19 cents each. Therefore, I am likely to print my own principally
when I do not want many.

On the other hand, it might be nice to set up a batch run, so that I
could go off and do something else while the printer produces a
bunch of photos.

[Harald Pollack]

Servus Fred!

FB> This thread is degenerating. Personally, I would like to
FB> know two things about the Canon i850 (as well as the i860 and i960)
FB> printer:

i550 and i560 also use the printing modes of i850 ...

FB> (1) How good are the photos printed using OS/2 compared to
FB> the best possible, presumably using Windows 2000, WinXP,

Under OS/2 they are as well as it is possible in comparing 600x600dpi to
4800x1200dpi...

FB> I prefer to use OS/2, but I have Win2k (it is
FB> difficult to be without some form of Windows these days) as an
FB> alternative.

From the state of the art of yesterday (and today 09:37 MEZ) W2k or WinXP with
the appropriate printer driver from Canon, OS/2 is not able to make photo print
compareable to prints from photo lab.

FB> (2) How good are the photos printed by a Canon i850 (or
FB> i860 or i960) compared to other printers of comparable cost?

I think, the question is not useful, because there will be nobody, who has all
available printers in longtime testcondition...

FB> I will probably buy one of the Canons,

Than do it! I was searching almost one year for an useable photoprinter (for
OS/2) and Canon i560 was the winner (i550 was sold).

FB> but I would like to know more about them before choosing one. My present
FB> HP 950C is at best marginal for photos.

Which resolution has this printer under OS/2?

FB> Most of what I have read or seen about this Canon series of
FB> printer is very encouraging, but it is mainly based on results
FB> using Win2k or WinXP.

Only this results are compareable...

FB> One factor not mentioned here is that the cost of ink for
FB> the Canons is generally lower than that for HP and Epson
FB> printers.

Yes. Go and buy a Canon...

FB> A third factor, cost of the printer, is what started this thread in the
FB> first place, $70 for a refurbished i850.

Buy a new one ...

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Thursday February, 26 2004 09:48:13 MEZ

[Fred Blau]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:37:44 UTC, Harald Pollack

Post by Harald Pollack
Servus Fred!

Servus Harald! (Are you located in Bavaria?)

Post by Harald Pollack
Which resolution has [the HP 950C] under OS/2?

The manual for the printer says its best black resolution is 600x600
dpi, and the best color resolution is 2400x1200 dpi. But I do not
know its OS/2 capabilities. (When I bought this printer more than
two years ago, I was not interested in printing photos.)

[Harald Pollack]

Servus Fred!

FB> From: "Fred Blau" <***@mindspring.com>

FB> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:37:44 UTC, Harald Pollack
FB> <***@datanews.at> wrote:

FB> Servus Harald! (Are you located in Bavaria?)

No, I am living in Vienna, Austria.

Post by Harald Pollack
Which resolution has [the HP 950C] under OS/2?

FB> The manual for the printer says its best black resolution
FB> is 600x600 dpi, and the best color resolution is 2400x1200 dpi.

Sorry, maybe my question was not quit clear. I wanted to know, which values are
yielded for the following two requests:

DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION,1,&HorRes);
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION,1,&VerRes);

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Friday February, 27 2004 09:33:10 MEZ

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Harald Pollack
No, I am living in Vienna, Austria.

Vienna is different ;-)

BTW. got yesterday (for the first time) the canon provided Cups drivers
(closed source) to work on Linux (despite the warnings I got, that
installing these could make my system unusable).

At a first glance they offer the same quality and the same possibilities
as the OS/2 drivers, but compared to support for other Ink-jet printers
on linux thats defintely (and remarkably) better than all other Ink-jets
I'm aware.

Klaus Staedtler

[Mark Dodel]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:31:16 UTC, Klaus Staedtler
<***@gibstnet.net> wrote:

-> Vienna is different ;-)
->
-> BTW. got yesterday (for the first time) the canon provided Cups drivers
-> (closed source) to work on Linux (despite the warnings I got, that
-> installing these could make my system unusable).
->
-> At a first glance they offer the same quality and the same possibilities
-> as the OS/2 drivers, but compared to support for other Ink-jet printers
-> on linux thats defintely (and remarkably) better than all other Ink-jets
-> I'm aware.
->

Are you saying that printer support under Linux sucks worse then on
OS/2?

That is a serious question as I have never used Linux. From what I
can see the only photo grade OS/2 printer support are the few Epsons
inkjets. Are there similar drivers available for Linux? Are there
other printers with photo grade support under Linux?


Mark

[Trevor Hemsley]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:17:22 UTC in comp.os.os2.multimedia, "Mark

Post by Mark Dodel
Are there similar drivers available for Linux? Are there
other printers with photo grade support under Linux?

http://www.linuxprinting.org/

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Trevor Hemsley
http://www.linuxprinting.org/

E.g. there you won't find any hint how to use Canon i550, i850 and i950
you have to search (well hidden and japanese only) Canon sides for them

Klaus Staedtler

[Mark Dodel]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:31:24 UTC, "Trevor Hemsley"
<Trevor-***@no.spam.dial.pipex.com> wrote:

-> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:17:22 UTC in comp.os.os2.multimedia, "Mark
-> Dodel" <***@ptd.net> wrote:
->
-> > Are there similar drivers available for Linux? Are there
-> > other printers with photo grade support under Linux?
->
-> http://www.linuxprinting.org/
->

So for my Photo 820 they claim 2880x720 and possibly 2880x1440
support, which is better then the 1440x720 I get now using the EPOMNI3
driver under OS/2. They list lots of other printer models and brands,
but with varying degrees of success. Looking for the newest Epson
photo models the R300 isn't supported at all and the 2000 is only
"mostly" supported. I suppose the advantage of Linux is that we know
that if its possible, eventually it might happen. With OS/2 it is
extremely doubtful that we will see any new Epson printers supported,
at least not at photo quality.

Anyone know of any currently available photo printers supported under
OS/2 at photo quality? And that doesn't mean jus being able to print
a photo, but being able to print a photo that is equivalent to /
indistinguishable from a 35mm print. The 820 is pretty damn close
with prints on Epson glossy photo paper. I doubt the Canon i850 comes
close, at least not with the OMNI driver.

Has anyone tried and had success with the w32prn printer driver with
any photo quality printers?
<http://www.gtech-ua.com/vit/en/win32prn.jsp> I tried it a while ago
with my 820, but couldn't get it installed.


Mark

[Harald Pollack]

Servus Mark!

MD> From: "Mark Dodel" <***@ptd.net>

MD> Anyone know of any currently available photo printers supported under
MD> OS/2 at photo quality?

First of all, we must define 'photo quality'! From the physical ability of
photographic color paper, any value above 300dpi should result in 'photo
quality'.

So with any 'photo printer', resolution of 600x600dpi will result in 'photo
quality' (assuming you use the 'right' printing software :-)

Such 600x600dpi prints from a Canon i560 are very well compareable with common
color prints from photo lab. BUT ...

it is possible, to make BETTER prints with an inkjet printer than with 'wet
chemical' photo paper!!! And this is not (yet) possible with OS/2, because for
this you need higher resolution than 600x600dpi (4800x1200 e.g.)


MD> Has anyone tried and had success with the w32prn printer driver with
MD> any photo quality printers?

w32prn is only able do to black&white ... or am I missing something?

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Saturday February, 28 2004 08:47:31 mez

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Harald Pollack
First of all, we must define 'photo quality'! From the physical ability of
photographic color paper, any value above 300dpi should result in 'photo
quality'.
So with any 'photo printer', resolution of 600x600dpi will result in 'photo
quality' (assuming you use the 'right' printing software :-)
Such 600x600dpi prints from a Canon i560 are very well compareable with common
color prints from photo lab. BUT ...

There is another BUT, for printing one dot (e.g. from a picture which
has truecolor) you need several 'dot's' unless your printer has 16Mill
colors, therefore for printing e.g. a 300DPI scan (which has
photoquality) you need a printer with lot more of 'dpi's' to reproduce it.

Klaus Staedtler

[Mark Dodel]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:39:23 UTC, Harald Pollack
<***@datanews.at> wrote:

-> Servus Mark!
->
-> MD> From: "Mark Dodel" <***@ptd.net>
->
-> MD> Anyone know of any currently available photo printers supported under
-> MD> OS/2 at photo quality?
->
-> First of all, we must define 'photo quality'! From the physical ability of
-> photographic color paper, any value above 300dpi should result in 'photo
-> quality'.
->
-> So with any 'photo printer', resolution of 600x600dpi will result in 'photo
-> quality' (assuming you use the 'right' printing software :-)
->
-> Such 600x600dpi prints from a Canon i560 are very well compareable with common
-> color prints from photo lab. BUT ...
->

Well I haven't seen the output from the i560 so maybe I'm wrong, but
for me it is not just about DPI. My Epson Stylus 1520 is supported at
1440x770 DPI and the photo prints are obviously not 35mm prints even
at a distance. On my Epson Photo 820 at a distance they are nearly
indistinguishable. Up close you see that the 820 print does not have
the detail and smooth surface of the 35mm print. I'm told that on
some printers (like the Canons) the photo output under windows is
almost identical even closeup to the quality of a 35mm print.

-> it is possible, to make BETTER prints with an inkjet printer than with 'wet
-> chemical' photo paper!!! And this is not (yet) possible with OS/2, because for
-> this you need higher resolution than 600x600dpi (4800x1200 e.g.)
->
->
-> MD> Has anyone tried and had success with the w32prn printer driver with
-> MD> any photo quality printers?
->
-> w32prn is only able do to black&white ... or am I missing something?
->

It is still in early development. I'm amazed that this works at all.
The point is if this can be made to work fully with windows' printer
drivers we won't have to rely on IBM to provide minimal feature set
drivers anymore, and will have access to currently available printers,
not just old refurbs or maybe a few new printer models, but without
access to most of their advanced features.

Mark

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Mark Dodel
Well I haven't seen the output from the i560 so maybe I'm wrong, but
for me it is not just about DPI.

Right DPI is not everything.

I've compared prints done with 'standard' OS/2 print, e.g. when I print
an (by intention) badly scanned (72DPI from a Magazine) picture with a
womens face on it, the lady looks like she has drunken & weeped the
whole night, all the mascara has dispearsed around her eyes. If I print
the same picture using faxview in highest printing quality you can
distinguish every single eyelash.

Klaus Staedtler

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Mark Dodel
Are you saying that printer support under Linux sucks worse then on
OS/2?

If it's not postscript, yes. And if it's inkjet a double yes.

Post by Mark Dodel
That is a serious question as I have never used Linux. From what I
can see the only photo grade OS/2 printer support are the few Epsons
inkjets. Are there similar drivers available for Linux? Are there
other printers with photo grade support under Linux?

Epson Kowa (the company which supports - with some backdraws compared to
their free but non-opensourced own Linux drivers - too the Sane epson
drivers for Linux and therefore for OS/2 :-), thats the reason why Epson
USB scanners have ways better drivers for Linux - and OS/2 - than e.g.
Canon) has recently released some (non-opensourced) drivers for the
Epson models, the Canon drivers are well hidden on a japanese only side
... there is Turboprint (commercial) which offers some more drivers. But
afaik (okay last time I used an epson on Linux is some time ago and the
Epson Kowa drivers wheren't available) situation is much worse than on
OS/2, or why do you guess IBM ports OMNI.DRV (with less supported
printers and not as actual as on OS/2) to linux ?

Klaus Staedtler


Klaus Staedtler

[Fred Blau]

Harald,

I do not know what to do with these two requests. I would be happy
to give you the results if you would tell me in detail what I should
do.



On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:01 UTC, Harald Pollack

Post by Harald Pollack
Which resolution has [the HP 950C] under OS/2?

... I wanted to know, which values are
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION,1,&HorRes);
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION,1,&VerRes);

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Fred Blau

Post by Fred Blau

Post by Harald Pollack
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION,1,&HorRes);
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION,1,&VerRes);

I do not know what to do with these two requests. I would be happy
to give you the results if you would tell me in detail what I should
do.

You need to frame this in a correct C, compile this, and run.

Much easier with the latest Perl:

perl -wle "print for OS2::DevCap"

will print name-value pairs;

perl -wle "print +({OS2::DevCap})->{HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION}"

will print a particular value.

Hope this helps,
Ilya

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
You need to frame this in a correct C, compile this, and run.

Or much much easier ;-), use FaxView (by Harald Pollack) e.g. part of
Tame/2 since 1.0 RC2 and select Options, Device Capabilities, Printer.
This generates a Prt_Cap.txt where all capabilities of the printers are
queried and stored.

Klaus Staedtler

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
perl -wle "print for OS2::DevCap"
will print name-value pairs;

What units do these values have?
WIDTH 1400 } Are those centi-inches?
HEIGHT 1050 }
HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION 4946 } And here 4946/14 -> 353 dpi?
VERTICAL_RESOLUTION 4952 } -> 472 dpi?

Btw, I installed your perl version last week, works well for my very
limited use and it comes with many more addon packages than Henry
Sobotka's version. And Mozilla still compiles. Thanks! :-)
How do I find out about things like OS2::DevCap? I looked in the INF
file but that does not contain OS2::DevCap, just a lot of other OS2::'s.

And as it is you: no complementary CC's, please!

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher

Post by Peter Weilbacher
What units do these values have?

These are just results of OS/2 API calls, thus integers. ;-) Do

view pmref

and search for CAPS_* to see the docs.

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Btw, I installed your perl version last week, works well for my very
limited use and it comes with many more addon packages than Henry
Sobotka's version. And Mozilla still compiles. Thanks! :-)

Did you use binary installer? I'm still waiting on non-bug reports to
update the 'latest' link on CPAN to 5.8.2+.

Post by Peter Weilbacher
How do I find out about things like OS2::DevCap? I looked in the INF
file but that does not contain OS2::DevCap, just a lot of other OS2::'s.

It should be mentioned in the Changes file. Unfortunately, I did not
have enough time to *properly* document all the goodies added during
the last couple of years... BTW, by default the parameters of the
memory device context associated to the *screen* is printed. Optional
parameters of DevCap allow to query different device contexts...

For toolkit-impared, attached is the part of the pmref.

Enjoy,
Ilya


alArray (PLONG) - output
Device capabilities.

Array of lCount elements, starting with lStart. The array elements are numbered consecutively, starting with CAPS_FAMILY. The element number constants start
with 0.

If lStart + lCount -1 exceeds the current highest-defined element number, elements beyond the highest are returned as 0.

CAPS_FAMILY
Device type (values as for lType in DevOpenDC).

CAPS_IO_CAPS
Device input/output capability:

CAPS_IO_DUMMY Dummy device
CAPS_SUPPORTS_OP Device supports output
CAPS_SUPPORTS_IP Device supports input
CAPS_SUPPORTS_IO Device supports output and input.

CAPS_TECHNOLOGY
Technology:

CAPS_TECH_UNKNOWN Unknown
CAPS_TECH_VECTOR_PLOTTER Vector plotter
CAPS_TECH_RASTER_DISPLAY Raster display
CAPS_TECH_RASTER_PRINTER Raster printer
CAPS_TECH_RASTER_CAMERA Raster camera
CAPS_TECH_POSTSCRIPT PostScript** device.

CAPS_DRIVER_VERSION
Version identifier of the presentation driver.

The high order word of the version identifier is 0. The low order word identifies the release, for example 0x0120 is release 1.2.

CAPS_WIDTH
Media width (for a full screen, maximized window for displays) in pels.

CAPS_HEIGHT
Media depth (for a full screen, maximized window for displays) in pels. (For a plotter, a pel is defined as the smallest possible displacement of the pen and
can be smaller than a pen width.)

CAPS_WIDTH_IN_CHARS
Media width (for a full screen, maximized window for displays) in default character columns.

CAPS_HEIGHT_IN_CHARS
Media depth (for a full screen, maximized window for displays) in default character rows.

CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION
Horizontal resolution of device in pels per meter.

CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION
Vertical resolution of device in pels per meter.

CAPS_CHAR_WIDTH
Default character-box width in pels for VIO.

CAPS_CHAR_HEIGHT
Default character-box height in pels for VIO.

CAPS_SMALL_CHAR_WIDTH
Default small-character box width in pels for VIO. This is 0 if there is only one character-box size.

CAPS_SMALL_CHAR_HEIGHT
Default small-character box height in pels for VIO. This is 0 if there is only one character-box size.

CAPS_COLORS
Number of distinct colors supported at the same time, including reset (gray scales count as distinct colors). If loadable color tables are supported, this is
the number of entries in the device color table. For plotters, the value returned is the number of pens plus one (for the background).

CAPS_COLOR_PLANES
Number of color planes.

CAPS_COLOR_BITCOUNT
Number of adjacent color bits for each pel (within one plane).

CAPS_COLOR_TABLE_SUPPORT
Loadable color table support:

CAPS_COLTABL_RGB_8 1 if RGB color table can be loaded, with a minimum support of 8 bits each for red, green, and blue.

CAPS_COLTABL_RGB_8_PLUS 1 if color table with other than 8 bits for each primary color can be loaded.

CAPS_COLTABL_TRUE_MIX 1 if true mixing occurs when the logical color table has been realized, providing that the size of the logical color table
is not greater than the number of distinct colors supported (see element CAPS_COLORS).

CAPS_COLTABL_REALIZE 1 if a loaded color table can be realized.

CAPS_MOUSE_BUTTONS
The number of pointing device buttons that are available. A returned value of 0 indicates that there are no pointing device buttons available.

CAPS_FOREGROUND_MIX_SUPPORT
Foreground mix support:

CAPS_FM_OR Logical OR.
CAPS_FM_OVERPAINT Overpaint.
CAPS_FM_XOR Logical XOR.
CAPS_FM_LEAVEALONE Leave alone.
CAPS_FM_AND Logical AND.
CAPS_FM_GENERAL_BOOLEAN All other mix modes; see "GpiSetMix" in Graphics Programming Interface Programming Reference.

The value returned is the sum of the values appropriate to the mixes supported. A device capable of supporting OR must, as a minimum, return
CAPS_FM_OR + CAPS_FM_OVERPAINT + CAPS_FM_LEAVEALONE, signifying support for the mandatory mixes OR, overpaint, and leave-alone.

Note that these numbers correspond to the decimal representation of a bit string that is six bits long, with each bit set to 1 if the appropriate mode is
supported.

Those mixes returned as supported are guaranteed for all primitive types. For more information, see "GpiSetMix" in Graphics Programming Interface
Programming Reference.

CAPS_BACKGROUND_MIX_SUPPORT
Background mix support:

CAPS_BM_OR Logical OR.

CAPS_BM_OVERPAINT Overpaint.

CAPS_BM_XOR Logical XOR.

CAPS_BM_LEAVEALONE Leave alone.

CAPS_BM_AND Logical AND.

CAPS_BM_GENERAL_BOOLEAN All other mix modes; see "GpiSetMix" in Graphics Programming Interface Programming Reference.

CAPS_BM_SRCTRANSPARENT Provides a transparent overlay function by not copying pels from the source bit map to the output bit map if they match
the presentation space background color.

CAPS_BM_DESTTRANSPARENT Provides a transparent underlay function by copying only the pels that match the presentation space background color
from the source bit map to the output bit map.

The value returned is the sum of the values appropriate to the mixes supported. A device must, as a minimum, return CAPS_BM_OVERPAINT +
CAPS_BM_LEAVEALONE, signifying support for the mandatory background mixes overpaint, and leave-alone.

Note that these numbers correspond to the decimal representation of a bit string that is four bits long, with each bit set to 1 if the appropriate mode is
supported.

Those mixes returned as supported are guaranteed for all primitive types. For more information, see "GpiSetMix" in Graphics Programming Interface
Programming Reference.

CAPS_VIO_LOADABLE_FONTS
Number of fonts that can be loaded for VIO.

CAPS_WINDOW_BYTE_ALIGNMENT
Whether or not the client area of VIO windows should be byte-aligned:

CAPS_BYTE_ALIGN_REQUIRED Must be byte-aligned.

CAPS_BYTE_ALIGN_RECOMMENDED More efficient if byte-aligned, but not required.

CAPS_BYTE_ALIGN_NOT_REQUIRED Does not matter whether byte-aligned.

CAPS_BITMAP_FORMATS
Number of bit-map formats supported by device.

CAPS_RASTER_CAPS
Capability for device raster operations:

CAPS_RASTER_BITBLT 1 if GpiBitBlt and GpiWCBitBlt is supported.

CAPS_RASTER_BANDING 1 if banding is supported

CAPS_RASTER_BITBLT_SCALING 1 if GpiBitBlt and GpiWCBitBlt with scaling is supported.

CAPS_RASTER_SET_PEL 1 if GpiSetPel is supported.

CAPS_RASTER_FONTS 1 if this device can draw raster fonts.

CAPS_RASTER_FLOOD_FILL 1 if GpiFloodFill is supported.

CAPS_MARKER_HEIGHT
Default marker-box height in pels.

CAPS_MARKER_WIDTH
Default marker-box width in pels.

CAPS_DEVICE_FONTS
Number of device-specific fonts.

CAPS_GRAPHICS_SUBSET
Graphics drawing subset supported. (3 indicates GOCA DR/3)

CAPS_GRAPHICS_VERSION
Graphics architecture version number supported. (1 indicates Version 1)

CAPS_GRAPHICS_VECTOR_SUBSET
Graphics vector drawing subset supported. (2 indicates GOCA VS/2)

CAPS_DEVICE_WINDOWING
Device windowing support:

CAPS_DEV_WINDOWING_SUPPORT 1 if device supports windowing.

Other bits are reserved 0.

CAPS_ADDITIONAL_GRAPHICS
Additional graphics support:

CAPS_GRAPHICS_KERNING_SUPPORT 1 if device supports kerning.

CAPS_FONT_OUTLINE_DEFAULT 1 if device has a default outline font.

CAPS_FONT_IMAGE_DEFAULT 1 if device has a default image font.

CAPS_SCALED_DEFAULT_MARKERS 1 if default markers are to be scaled by the marker-box attribute.

CAPS_COLOR_CURSOR_SUPPORT 1 if device supports colored cursors.

CAPS_PALETTE_MANAGER 1 if device supports palette functions (see "GpiCreatePalette" in the Graphics Programming Interface
Programming Reference).

CAPS_COSMETIC_WIDELINE_SUPPORT 1 if device supports cosmetic thick lines (see "GpiSetLineWidth" in the Graphics Programming Interface
Programming Reference).

Other bits are reserved 0.

CAPS_PHYS_COLORS
Maximum number of distinct colors available on the device.

CAPS_COLOR_INDEX
Maximum logical color-table index supported for this device. For the EGA and VGA drivers, the value is 63.

CAPS_GRAPHICS_CHAR_WIDTH
Default graphics character-box width, in pels.

CAPS_GRAPHICS_CHAR_HEIGHT
Default graphics character-box height, in pels.

CAPS_HORIZONTAL_FONT_RES
Effective horizontal device resolution in pels per inch, for the purpose of selecting fonts.

For printers, this is the actual device resolution, but for displays it may differ from the actual resolution for reasons of legibility.

CAPS_VERTICAL_FONT_RES
Effective vertical device resolution in pels per inch, for the purpose of selecting fonts.

CAPS_DEVICE_FONT_SIM
Identifies which simulations are valid on device fonts.

Valid flags are:

CAPS_DEV_FONT_SIM_BOLD
CAPS_DEV_FONT_SIM_ITALIC
CAPS_DEV_FONT_SIM_UNDERSCORE
CAPS_DEV_FONT_SIM_STRIKEOUT

CAPS_LINEWIDTH_THICK
Cosmetic thickness of lines and arcs on this device, when fxLineWidth is LINEWIDTH_THICK (see "GpiSetLineWidth" in the Graphics Programming
Interface Programming Reference). The units are pels. A value of 0 is interpreted as 2 pels.

CAPS_DEVICE_POLYSET_POINTS
Number of points in a polyset that a device can handle.

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher

Thanks... :-)

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
What units do these values have?

These are just results of OS/2 API calls, thus integers. ;-) Do
view pmref
and search for CAPS_* to see the docs.

OK, so it's pels per meter or 125.63x125.78 dpi in case of my default
device. Not what I would call high resolution. So I guess my default
device is my screen and not my printer as I thought in the context of
this thread.

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Btw, I installed your perl version last week, works well for my very
limited use and it comes with many more addon packages than Henry
Sobotka's version. And Mozilla still compiles. Thanks! :-)

Did you use binary installer? I'm still waiting on non-bug reports to
update the 'latest' link on CPAN to 5.8.2+.

No, didn't work, I get a window saying
(<path>\Perl.ICF) Line 10:
EPFIE102: '0508002' is not a valid value for the 'VRM' keyword.
I just unzipped the files, updated Config.pm, and everything worked very
well. Sorry, should have mailed you about that but it was late at night
and I was probably half asleep...

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
How do I find out about things like OS2::DevCap? I looked in the INF
file but that does not contain OS2::DevCap, just a lot of other OS2::'s.

It should be mentioned in the Changes file.

Ah, that I didn't install, had to search in my Downloads\Installed
directory for it... But I still don't understand how perl can see which
device to ask. Changes.os2 says
"the default for WHAT is the memory device context"
so this is not about the printer, but why is the graphics mode called
like that? I am confused...

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
Did you use binary installer? I'm still waiting on non-bug reports to
update the 'latest' link on CPAN to 5.8.2+.

No, didn't work, I get a window saying
EPFIE102: '0508002' is not a valid value for the 'VRM' keyword.

Sigh... This is the old version of .icf. The newer version is available from

ilyaz.org/software/tmp/plINSTAL-fixed.zip

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Ah, that I didn't install, had to search in my Downloads\Installed
directory for it... But I still don't understand how perl can see which
device to ask. Changes.os2 says
"the default for WHAT is the memory device context"
so this is not about the printer, but why is the graphics mode called

^^^^

What is "this"? The default is not about the printer indeed.

Post by Peter Weilbacher
like that? I am confused...

^^^^^^^^^

Have no idea what you are talking about... Currently there is no
"easy" way to call DevOpenDC() from Perl, but one can do this via the
supplied dynaloading and calling-C-function APIs...

Hope this helps,
Ilya

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
Sigh... This is the old version of .icf. The newer version is available from
http://ilyaz.org/software/tmp/plINSTAL-fixed.zip

Apart from just adding the new perl environment variables and not
deleting the old ones that works OK now.

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Ah, that I didn't install, had to search in my Downloads\Installed
directory for it... But I still don't understand how perl can see which
device to ask. Changes.os2 says
"the default for WHAT is the memory device context"
so this is not about the printer, but why is the graphics mode called

^^^^
What is "this"? The default is not about the printer indeed.

The perl commands you posted in <news:c1o86i$137o$***@agate.berkeley.edu>
to find out the printer resolution.

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
like that? I am confused...

^^^^^^^^^
Have no idea what you are talking about...

That you call the graphics mode or the screen parameters "memory device
context" in Changes.os2.

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
"the default for WHAT is the memory device context"
so this is not about the printer, but why is the graphics mode called

^^^^
What is "this"? The default is not about the printer indeed.

to find out the printer resolution.

I did not post it "to find out the printer resolution". ;-) I did it
"to find results of DevQueryCap() (sp?) calls.

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
like that? I am confused...

^^^^^^^^^
Have no idea what you are talking about...

That you call the graphics mode or the screen parameters "memory device
context" in Changes.os2.

I have no idea what you are talking about again. "Docs" say (IMO, correctly)

Usage: OS2::DevCap([WHAT, [HOW=0]]); the default for WHAT is
the memory device context, WHAT should be a device context
(as integer) if HOW==0 and a window handle (as integer) if
HOW==1. Returns a hash with keys...

I do not see any mention of "graphics mode" or "screen parameters";
moreover, I do not see what relations these phrases have to the
function in question.

Hope this helps,
Ilya

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
I did not post it "to find out the printer resolution". ;-) I did it
"to find results of DevQueryCap() (sp?) calls.

Aha.

Post by Ilya Zakharevich

Post by Peter Weilbacher
That you call the graphics mode or the screen parameters "memory device
context" in Changes.os2.

I have no idea what you are talking about again. "Docs" say (IMO, correctly)
Usage: OS2::DevCap([WHAT, [HOW=0]]); the default for WHAT is

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
the memory device context, WHAT should be a device context

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
(as integer) if HOW==0 and a window handle (as integer) if
HOW==1. Returns a hash with keys...
I do not see any mention of "graphics mode" or "screen parameters";
moreover, I do not see what relations these phrases have to the
function in question.

Well, it seems to give me the screen parameters, and not "the memory
device context" whatever that may be.

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
Usage: OS2::DevCap([WHAT, [HOW=0]]); the default for WHAT is

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
the memory device context, WHAT should be a device context

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by Ilya Zakharevich
(as integer) if HOW==0 and a window handle (as integer) if
HOW==1. Returns a hash with keys...
I do not see any mention of "graphics mode" or "screen parameters";
moreover, I do not see what relations these phrases have to the
function in question.

Well, it seems to give me the screen parameters, and not "the memory
device context" whatever that may be.

This memory device context is associated to the screen. I have no
idea how to associate a memory device context to a printer; if there
is a simple enough code snippet, I may add this to Perl; it looks of
general enough use...

Yours,
Ilya

[Fred Blau]

Harald,

After reading Klaus's suggestion to use Faxview, I downloaded Tame/2
and generated the file PRT_CAP.TXT. Here are two lines (I hope
these are what you want) from this file:

8 CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23)
9 CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23)

I have no idea what they mean. What are the units?

If this is not what you wanted to know, just tell me what to do.



On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:01 UTC, Harald Pollack
<***@datanews.at> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Harald Pollack
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION,1,&HorRes);
DevQueryCaps(hdcPrinter,CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION,1,&VerRes);

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Fred Blau
Harald,
After reading Klaus's suggestion to use Faxview, I downloaded Tame/2
and generated the file PRT_CAP.TXT. Here are two lines (I hope these
8 CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23) 9
CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23)
I have no idea what they mean. What are the units?

pels per meter. The driver/device has 300DPI

Klaus Staedtler

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Fred Blau
Harald,
After reading Klaus's suggestion to use Faxview, I downloaded Tame/2
and generated the file PRT_CAP.TXT.

BTW. have you set in the driver object the highest possible quality
before using Faxview ? 300DPI seems a little small for the unit

Klaus Staedtler

[Fred Blau]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:22:22 UTC, Klaus Staedtler

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by Fred Blau
After reading Klaus's suggestion to use Faxview, I downloaded Tame/2
and generated the file PRT_CAP.TXT.

BTW. have you set in the driver object the highest possible quality
before using Faxview ? 300DPI seems a little small for the unit

Good point. Earlier I had set the print quality to "Normal". Just
now I set it to "Presentation", and the two resolutions in
PRT_CAP.TXT have doubled.

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Fred Blau
Good point. Earlier I had set the print quality to "Normal". Just
now I set it to "Presentation", and the two resolutions in
PRT_CAP.TXT have doubled.

Then it does 600DPI afaik the limitation is in omni.drv

Klaus Staedtler

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Fred Blau
After reading Klaus's suggestion to use Faxview, I downloaded Tame/2
and generated the file PRT_CAP.TXT. Here are two lines (I hope
8 CAPS_HORIZONTAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23)
9 CAPS_VERTICAL_RESOLUTION 11811 (00002E23)

Is it possible to download Faxview seperately? Google and Hobbes don't
find it...

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Is it possible to download Faxview seperately?

No only as part of Tame/2, Romes/2 or fax* (this is the complete fax
package by Harald Pollack, which contains faxsend, faxreceive and other
goodies too, a must if you want to receive color faxes).

fax* is available here
http://cyberia.dnsalias.com/Gfd.App.Comm.Htm


Klaus Staedtler

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Is it possible to download Faxview seperately?

No only as part of Tame/2, Romes/2 or fax* (this is the complete fax
package by Harald Pollack, which contains faxsend, faxreceive and other
goodies too, a must if you want to receive color faxes).

I don't but I heard so much about Faxview recently that I was just
curious. And the download of fax119.zip was only about 1/4 of what Tame
would have been. But why is Faxview not on Hobbes but well hidden on a
webpage with such an obscured name? Is Harald afraid to get too much
attention?

[William L. Hartzell]

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by Peter Weilbacher
Is it possible to download Faxview seperately?

No only as part of Tame/2, Romes/2 or fax* (this is the complete fax
package by Harald Pollack, which contains faxsend, faxreceive and other
goodies too, a must if you want to receive color faxes).

I don't but I heard so much about Faxview recently that I was just
curious. And the download of fax119.zip was only about 1/4 of what Tame
would have been. But why is Faxview not on Hobbes but well hidden on a
webpage with such an obscured name? Is Harald afraid to get too much
attention?

Harald has been here and there enought tooting his horn to not say it is
hidden. :-)

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Peter Weilbacher
would have been. But why is Faxview not on Hobbes but well hidden on a
webpage with such an obscured name?

Whats obscure on GFD ? it has many mirrors all over the world and even
IBM mirrored it on their BBS in Boeblingen a long time ago, I accidently
picked one. In former times GFD (when 14.400 modems where common ;-) was
in Germany the best places to get OS/2 software, and even now you can
find many things not available elsewhere.

Klaus Staedtler

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Klaus Staedtler
Whats obscure on GFD ? it has many mirrors all over the world and even
IBM mirrored it on their BBS in Boeblingen a long time ago, I accidently
picked one. In former times GFD (when 14.400 modems where common ;-) was
in Germany the best places to get OS/2 software, and even now you can
find many things not available elsewhere.

I'm embarrassed to say that this is the first time I ever heard about it
but it really contains some interesting files I've never seen anywhere else.

To my defense: I never saw a link to Gfd before and searching Google it
seems that it was only talked about in (equally "obscure") groups like
kiel.computer.os2 or fido7.pvt.lws but rarely in *comp.os.os2* and I
only found a link in one article.

[Guillaume Gay]

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Klaus Staedtler
in Germany the best places to get OS/2 software, and even now you can
find many things not available elsewhere.

I'm embarrassed to say that this is the first time I ever heard about it

Yes, Peter, I understand. For more information : Germany is a little
european country lost between France, Austria, and Czech republic... (;-P

Post by Peter Weilbacher
To my defense: I never saw a link to Gfd before

Neither did I. But Klaus know *how* to surprise us you know...

Note: I would too have prefered to find Fax* tools on Hobbes wich is more
easier to survey...

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Peter Weilbacher
To my defense: I never saw a link to Gfd before

another link to another mirror of GFD (just to document it's nothing exotic)

http://www.dreamlandbbs.com/files/

BTW. Harald you don't need to afraid of anything. 1. until now no bug
was reported for faxview and 2. as long as I act as your cerberus too
(you know I'm used to get the target) ...

Klaus

[ivan]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:40:12 UTC, Klaus Staedtler

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by Peter Weilbacher
To my defense: I never saw a link to Gfd before

another link to another mirror of GFD (just to document it's nothing exotic)
http://www.dreamlandbbs.com/files/
BTW. Harald you don't need to afraid of anything. 1. until now no bug
was reported for faxview and 2. as long as I act as your cerberus too
(you know I'm used to get the target) ...
Klaus

You want a bug Klaus?

This is most probably because I'm doing something wrong but.

I used faxview to look at some scans then decided that I just wanted
to print two of them. Selected the first one to print, got the print
dialog listing 1 to 45, told it I just wanted 15 and printed it no
problems (excellent results on plain paper). When I wanted to print
the next one all I get is a message 'can not print document, driver
error'.
BTW the printer is on another box connected through the lan and works
from all my other apps without problems.

As I say it is most probably me doing something wrong, but I don't
want to print all 45 scans.
Any Ideas?

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by ivan
Any Ideas?

Start 'faxview -e' then it doesn't collect all files in the directory
and presents them as faked multipage Tiff.

Klaus Staedtler

[Harald Pollack]

Servus ivan!

i> You want a bug Klaus?

Give the bug to me :-) Klaus as enough of them...

i> This is most probably because I'm doing something wrong but.

maybe...

i> I used faxview to look at some scans then decided that I
i> just wanted to print two of them.

How (commandline, WPS-object, from Tame/2 ...) have you started FaxView?

i> Selected the first one

Where have you done this selection (commandline, Tame/2, Filedialog in
Faxview)?

i> to print, got the print dialog listing 1 to 45,

Than, obviously, you have Scans in the form IMAGE001.TIF till IMAGE045.TIF ...

If Faxview is called from commandline, use '-e' option, if called from Tame/2,
than the bug goes to Klaus :-)

i> told it I just wanted 15 and printed it no problems (excellent results on
i> plain paper).

:-)

i> When I wanted to print the next one all I get is a message 'can not print
i> document, driver error'.

I have tried to reproduce this misbehaviour, but sorry, if Faxview is started
from commandline or WPS-object, I can print any page in any sequence ...

i> BTW the printer is on another box connected through the lan
i> and works from all my other apps without problems.

Your problem arises between the application and the spooler and NOT between the
spooler and the hardware driver...

i> As I say it is most probably me doing something wrong, but I
i> don't want to print all 45 scans.
i> Any Ideas?

Call faxview with '-e' option ....

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Tuesday March, 02 2004 10:19:08 MEZ

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Harald Pollack
Give the bug to me :-) Klaus as enough of them...

Currently not ;-), except the missing firmware upload part in the USB
snapscan build I'm quite satiesfied.

Post by Harald Pollack
If Faxview is called from commandline, use '-e' option, if called from Tame/2,
than the bug goes to Klaus :-)

Tame uses as default viewer FaxView (then without -e) if you select to
use a viewer, but one can specify any other viewer (with commandline
switches if needed) so it is possible to insert here FaxView with '-e'.
All possibilities are catched.

Klaus

[Harald Pollack]

Servus Klaus!

Post by Harald Pollack
If Faxview is called from commandline, use '-e' option, if
called from Tame/2, than the bug goes to Klaus :-)

Some silly words, please forget ...

KS> Tame uses as default viewer FaxView (then without -e)

And FaxView does a default '-e' if called for printing:

if (direct_print)
{
no_multi = TRUE;
}

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Wednesday March, 03 2004 09:06:13 MEZ

[Klaus Staedtler]

Therefore I gave somebody (who wants to do a mass scanning&printing with
Automatic Document Feeder) the advice it's ways easier to use - for this
purpose - scanimage from command-line - with no GUI involved - and then
either open the first Image with faxview (without -e) or, if he wants to
use faxview from command-line too, first to convert all images into a
multipage tiff. But I have my heavy doubts, as this someone wanted to
scan in Lettersize truecolor and 1200DPI (only ~420MB each file) to
print it afterwards on a 1440DPI printer ...at least a nice hardware
stress-test and a patience test in once ;-)

Klaus

[ivan]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:09:24 UTC, Harald Pollack

Post by Harald Pollack
Servus ivan!
i> You want a bug Klaus?
Give the bug to me :-) Klaus as enough of them...
i> This is most probably because I'm doing something wrong but.
maybe...
i> I used faxview to look at some scans then decided that I
i> just wanted to print two of them.
How (commandline, WPS-object, from Tame/2 ...) have you started FaxView?

WPS object.

Post by Harald Pollack
i> Selected the first one
Where have you done this selection (commandline, Tame/2, Filedialog in
Faxview)?

Filedialoh in Faxview.

Post by Harald Pollack
i> to print, got the print dialog listing 1 to 45,
Than, obviously, you have Scans in the form IMAGE001.TIF till IMAGE045.TIF ...

Correct

Post by Harald Pollack
If Faxview is called from commandline, use '-e' option, if called from Tame/2,
than the bug goes to Klaus :-)

I've added -e to the options section of the properties for the WPS
object. This now allows me to select any file from the Faxview
filedialog.

Post by Harald Pollack
i> told it I just wanted 15 and printed it no problems (excellent results on
i> plain paper).
:-)
i> When I wanted to print the next one all I get is a message 'can not print
i> document, driver error'.
I have tried to reproduce this misbehaviour, but sorry, if Faxview is started
from commandline or WPS-object, I can print any page in any sequence ...

I can now with the -e option.

Post by Harald Pollack
i> BTW the printer is on another box connected through the lan
i> and works from all my other apps without problems.
Your problem arises between the application and the spooler and NOT between the
spooler and the hardware driver...

That I have worked out. Up to a certain size everything is ok, very
large files start to go to the spool file then stop for some reason,
the I get the error message.

Post by Harald Pollack
i> As I say it is most probably me doing something wrong, but I
i> don't want to print all 45 scans.
i> Any Ideas?
Call faxview with '-e' option ....
Herzliche Gruesse, Harald
-+- Message created on Tuesday March, 02 2004 10:19:08 MEZ

Thanks Harald. Now all I have to do is find out why the spooler
doesn't like large sizes.

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by ivan
Thanks Harald. Now all I have to do is find out why the spooler
doesn't like large sizes.

What do you consider a large size ?

Klaus Staedtler

[ivan]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:21:02 UTC, Klaus Staedtler

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by ivan
Thanks Harald. Now all I have to do is find out why the spooler
doesn't like large sizes.

What do you consider a large size ?
Klaus Staedtler

Something that won't fit, with OS/2, on the 500MB hard disk that's in
the machine connected to the printer :-)

With several jobs in the spool dir there isn't enough room left and
for some reason the network just stops sending so I get the error.

Now I'll have to find a 4GB hard disk from somewhere and xcopy
everything over to it. A bigger HD would be a waste as all that
machine does is feed three printers and is used occasionally for the
A3 digitizer.

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Guillaume Gay

Post by Peter Weilbacher
I'm embarrassed to say that this is the first time I ever heard about it

Yes, Peter, I understand. For more information : Germany is a little
european country lost between France, Austria, and Czech republic... (;-P

Thanks for reminding me. Since I moved to the UK I have forgotten about
most countries on the continent. ;-)

[Harald Pollack]

Servus Guillaume!

GG> From: "Guillaume Gay" <***@bigfoot.NoleSpam!com>
GG> Subject: [OT] Many places to put things [WAS: "Re: Very
GG> nice color Inkjet printer for OS/2"]
GG> Reply-To: ***@bigfoot.com

GG> Note: I would too have prefered to find Fax* tools on
GG> Hobbes wich is more easier to survey...

If anybody uploads (my) Fax* to hobbes, he/she is responsible for support!

Anybody who has downloaded Fax* from other sites than
'ftp.resi.at/pub/Harald.Pollack' or fidostyle filerequest from 2:310/59 or GFD
is selfresponsible for anything.

If anybody has received Fax* as part of a 'third party product' (eg Romes/2 or
Tame/2 etc.) than only this 'third party' is responsible for (primary) support
(which would be in most cases a forwarding to me).

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Tuesday March, 02 2004 10:07:40 MEZ

[Peter Weilbacher]

Post by Harald Pollack
If anybody uploads (my) Fax* to hobbes, he/she is responsible for support!

OK, OK, having looked at it only briefly myself _I_ will then not upload
it...

But what happened to your newsreader/converter to produce such ugly
characters in the subject header?

[The Real OS/2 Guy]

Post by Peter Weilbacher

Post by Klaus Staedtler
Whats obscure on GFD ? it has many mirrors all over the world and even
IBM mirrored it on their BBS in Boeblingen a long time ago, I accidently
picked one. In former times GFD (when 14.400 modems where common ;-) was
in Germany the best places to get OS/2 software, and even now you can
find many things not available elsewhere.

I'm embarrassed to say that this is the first time I ever heard about it
but it really contains some interesting files I've never seen anywhere else.
To my defense: I never saw a link to Gfd before and searching Google it
seems that it was only talked about in (equally "obscure") groups like
kiel.computer.os2 or fido7.pvt.lws but rarely in *comp.os.os2* and I
only found a link in one article.

Google for "gfd AND OS2"


GFD stands for German File Distribution net. Even as it is an
ownstanding network it is hosted commonly by FidoNet Nodes.

For FidoNet try a look at
http://www.was-ist-fido.de

[The Real OS/2 Guy]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:38:07 UTC, Klaus Staedtler

Post by Klaus Staedtler

Post by Peter Weilbacher
would have been. But why is Faxview not on Hobbes but well hidden on a
webpage with such an obscured name?

Whats obscure on GFD ? it has many mirrors all over the world and even
IBM mirrored it on their BBS in Boeblingen a long time ago, I accidently
picked one. In former times GFD (when 14.400 modems where common ;-) was
in Germany the best places to get OS/2 software, and even now you can
find many things not available elsewhere.

Don't say 'was' - it IS the best place. My GFD archive is now about
7,5 GB in size - even as I have cleaned up lots of old, outdated
things.

Yes, currently you needs to be a member of FIDONet or have setup a
terminal program like ZOC setup and either a modem or ISDN.

call 49-7273-93072
with modem (max. 28.8Kcps) or ISDN.
and login.

or 2:2476/493
and frequest FILES to get the whole filelist.

The filelist contains short descriptions of the files downloadable.
Come back and download when you have made your decisions.

E.g. from newfiles:

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video displays) and the desktop
environment
while also providing both the windowing
infrastructure and a standardized
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provides a client/server interface
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and
video displays) and the desktop
environment
while also providing both the windowing
infrastructure and a standardized
application
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extensible.
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[Harald Pollack]

Servus Peter!

PW> From: "Peter Weilbacher" <***@gwdg.de>

PW> But why is Faxview not on Hobbes

Faxview is only a part of the whole fax suite. It is not designed as a
stand-alone application. In the Tame/2 'release canditates' there is a subset of
the whole faxpackage to make FaxView work. But this subset is not maintained,
only the whole fax package!

PW> but well hidden on a webpage with such an obscured name?

So well hidden, that its existence was also new to me :-)

PW> Is Harald afraid to get too much attention?

Yes, I am afraid ...

It depends mainly on the reaction of the users of Tame/2 and FaxView, how
'official' (which means outside of the Tame/2 project) the faxpackage is
maintained in future...

As long as Tame/2 uses FaxView, FaxView is maintained as a part of the fax
package...

Herzliche Gruesse, Harald

-+- Message created on Monday March, 01 2004 11:32:32 MEZ

[Klaus Staedtler]

Post by Harald Pollack
So well hidden, that its existence was also new to me :-)

fax* has anonymous lovers than you can image ;-)

Klaus

[Chris Stumpf]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:48:46 -0800, David T. Johnson wrote:

:>
:>Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
:>the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
:>is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
:>color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
:>closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
:>output. The OS/2 Omni driver gives a little bit sharper image, however.
:> The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
:>outputs such as 8x10.
:>
If you think so. As far as I'm concerned the OS/2 drivers are not in any
way, shape or form PHOTO capable. The bar has been raised. If I'm gonna
print a photo, it means I want the ABSOLUTE best quality from the printer.
The OS/2 drivers don't come close to delivering that to my eyes. I've showed
people both prints, the remark I get from the OS/2 printed photo is usually
along the lines of "not bad for a printer" The canon drivers however result
in them doing a double take and looking very closely when I tell them the
photo came from my printer.

:>If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
:>3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
:>output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
:>comparable, even if you look very closely. I use the following settings
:>for the BJC-8500 driver:
:>
Now why would I want to do that, that driver is old and won't allow the i850
to print a full resoultion.

I stand by my stance that if you are doing photo printing OS/2 is not the
platform to use. Until we get full drivers support for modern printers.
Until then you need to do your printing from Windows 2000, XP or Mac OSX. Of
course if you have Virtual PC, you can get creative and use that to print
from windows, saving you a reboot. But if you are printing photos from OS/2
on an i850 or newer Canon printer, you are just wasting ink and paper. If
you can't see that, then I can't help you.

Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4


email: ***@monmouth.com
phone: [phone]

[Keith Cotroneo]

..... and then there is the paper factor. Some of my picture prints
do better with os/2 drivers on different paper. For example, I have
found that the output from my HP 960c is excellent with os/2 using
xerox photo matte paper. On other paper, even glossy, I am not
impressed.

Keith

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:23:25 UTC, "Chris Stumpf"

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>
:>Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
:>the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
:>is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
:>color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
:>closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
:>output. The OS/2 Omni driver gives a little bit sharper image, however.
:> The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
:>outputs such as 8x10.
:>
If you think so. As far as I'm concerned the OS/2 drivers are not in any
way, shape or form PHOTO capable. The bar has been raised. If I'm gonna
print a photo, it means I want the ABSOLUTE best quality from the printer.
The OS/2 drivers don't come close to delivering that to my eyes. I've showed
people both prints, the remark I get from the OS/2 printed photo is usually
along the lines of "not bad for a printer" The canon drivers however result
in them doing a double take and looking very closely when I tell them the
photo came from my printer.
:>If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
:>3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
:>output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
:>comparable, even if you look very closely. I use the following settings
:>
Now why would I want to do that, that driver is old and won't allow the i850
to print a full resoultion.
I stand by my stance that if you are doing photo printing OS/2 is not the
platform to use. Until we get full drivers support for modern printers.
Until then you need to do your printing from Windows 2000, XP or Mac OSX. Of
course if you have Virtual PC, you can get creative and use that to print
from windows, saving you a reboot. But if you are printing photos from OS/2
on an i850 or newer Canon printer, you are just wasting ink and paper. If
you can't see that, then I can't help you.
Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
phone: [phone]

[Fred Blau]

Can you print photos on 4" x 6" paper with your HP 960C?

I have an HP 950C and have not found a way to do this.



On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:04:29 UTC, "Keith Cotroneo"

Post by Keith Cotroneo
..... and then there is the paper factor. Some of my picture prints
do better with os/2 drivers on different paper. For example, I have
found that the output from my HP 960c is excellent with os/2 using
xerox photo matte paper. On other paper, even glossy, I am not
impressed.

[s***@kickapoo.com]

Post by Fred Blau
Can you print photos on 4" x 6" paper with your HP 960C?
I have an HP 950C and have not found a way to do this.

'Course the real trick here is to knock off a run of 8x12s out of your
printer and then later, after they've dried, slice 'em up into 4x6's
to mail to the folks.

But that presupposes you have a prg to project four images
(borderless) onto the 8x12 printing format. Auto-magically from files
in a folder- no fussing. I've only come across one such prg, and it
was by an amateur written for w95- never really tried it out. Any prgs
out there that can do this?? You'd think this would be a main
priority....

And to those who get all hot & pussy: "It ain't 100% photo quality"
the paper factor IS a big issue. Best to get by with the cheapest
paper that can give adequate results for your intended purpose. Last
year in Staples they had IBM brand 'semi-gloss' paper at ~ $8- per
200? sheets. It was a good handful of paper, whatever the actual
count.
--
sp
~~~~

Post by Fred Blau
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:04:29 UTC, "Keith Cotroneo"

Post by Keith Cotroneo
..... and then there is the paper factor. Some of my picture prints
do better with os/2 drivers on different paper. For example, I have
found that the output from my HP 960c is excellent with os/2 using
xerox photo matte paper. On other paper, even glossy, I am not
impressed.

[Fred Blau]

Post by s***@kickapoo.com
'Course the real trick here is to knock off a run of 8x12s out of your
printer and then later, after they've dried, slice 'em up into 4x6's
to mail to the folks.
But that presupposes you have a prg to project four images
(borderless) onto the 8x12 printing format. Auto-magically ...

I did something like that (without the slicing) manually once. It
was too much work. Never again, unless there is some very specific
need.

[s***@kickapoo.com]

Post by Fred Blau

Post by s***@kickapoo.com
'Course the real trick here is to knock off a run of 8x12s out of your
printer and then later, after they've dried, slice 'em up into 4x6's
to mail to the folks.
But that presupposes you have a prg to project four images
(borderless) onto the 8x12 printing format. Auto-magically ...

I did something like that (without the slicing) manually once. It
was too much work. Never again, unless there is some very specific
need.

Er, that's why a prg is needed, to place the next 4 images into the
printer (as a single, borderless image), print the sheet, then do the
next 4 images, etc.

The slicing of the 8x12's into quarters is just fun exercise- why else
have we carted that old paper cutter around for the past 45 years.

Manually, also, one would have to prepare all images beforehand
(cropping, color-correcting, etc). But software should be able to take
it from there.

Thumbnail sheets would be a simple variation on this theme. Hard to
imagine such a prg has not been in existence/development from day one
of OS/2 v2.10.

[James J. Weinkam]

Post by s***@kickapoo.com

Post by Fred Blau

Post by s***@kickapoo.com
'Course the real trick here is to knock off a run of 8x12s out of your
printer and then later, after they've dried, slice 'em up into 4x6's
to mail to the folks.
But that presupposes you have a prg to project four images
(borderless) onto the 8x12 printing format. Auto-magically ...

I did something like that (without the slicing) manually once. It
was too much work. Never again, unless there is some very specific
need.

Er, that's why a prg is needed, to place the next 4 images into the
printer (as a single, borderless image), print the sheet, then do the
next 4 images, etc.
The slicing of the 8x12's into quarters is just fun exercise- why else
have we carted that old paper cutter around for the past 45 years.
Manually, also, one would have to prepare all images beforehand
(cropping, color-correcting, etc). But software should be able to take
it from there.
Thumbnail sheets would be a simple variation on this theme. Hard to
imagine such a prg has not been in existence/development from day one
of OS/2 v2.10.

If you have a photo printer with OS/2 driver that supports printing all the
way to the edge of 8x12 paper, Papyrus and REXX will enable you to do about
98% of what you want.

Step 1 is to adopt a systematic naming structure for the photos that you want
to print so that all names are the same length: x\blah1\blah2\...\blahn.jpg, say.

Step 2 is to fire up Papyrus, create a new document, set up the Paper Format
as 12 high, 8 wide, portrait and the page layout with 0 margins all around 1
row 1 column. Now import as graphics any four photos and use the coordinates
submenu of object properties to set e.g., the upper left with x=0, width=4,
y=0, height=6, etc. Now save the document as, say, photo8-10.pap.

Step 3 is to examine photo8_10.pap with a hex editor and ascertain the exact
locations that you need to modify to "point" to the four photos you want to
print for any given instance.

Step 4 is to write your REXX program which, for each group of four photos to
be printed, reads in photo8_10.pap, plugs in the id's for the four photos,
writes the file out as say temp.pap, issues the command

papyrus -px temp.pap

then deletes temp.pap.

The missing 2% is the fact that Papyrus' print dialog comes up and you have to
click on print. I haven't been able to figure out a way to suppress this.

You might also be able to do the trick with PMView's scripting language, but I
don't think there is a way to control positioning with a script.

[Ilya Zakharevich]

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Manfred Agne

Xact for OS/2 can be controlled via REXX, and it should be easy to
write a CMD that does what you want. Version 6 (which I have)
unfortunately does not import JPGs, therefore it would be necessary to
do a JPG to BMP conversion first. Of course, this can also be done
with REXX, even on the fly.

I do not understand all the fuss in this thread. Use standard tools
like imagemagic, or PNM (portable any map) tools.

Hope this helps,
Ilya

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>
:>Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
:>the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
:>is better overall. The OS/2 Omni driver does a pretty nice job with the
:>color rendition but has a lower overall resolution so that if you look
:>closely, you can see mottling that is not present on the Windows 98
:>output. The OS/2 Omni driver gives a little bit sharper image, however.
:> The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
:>outputs such as 8x10.
:>
If you think so. As far as I'm concerned the OS/2 drivers are not in any
way, shape or form PHOTO capable. The bar has been raised. If I'm gonna
print a photo, it means I want the ABSOLUTE best quality from the printer.
The OS/2 drivers don't come close to delivering that to my eyes. I've showed
people both prints, the remark I get from the OS/2 printed photo is usually
along the lines of "not bad for a printer" The canon drivers however result
in them doing a double take and looking very closely when I tell them the
photo came from my printer.

I agree that the Canon photo output is comparable to a photo image
developed from photographic film. The Canon print quality is
astoundingly good if you use the proper glossy paper.

Post by Chris Stumpf
:>If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
:>3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
:>output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
:>comparable, even if you look very closely. I use the following settings
:>
Now why would I want to do that, that driver is old and won't allow the i850
to print a full resoultion.

The older Canon driver seems to be able to enable the higher resolution
capabilities of the Canon i850. You should test this yourself, if you
have not done so.

Post by Chris Stumpf
I stand by my stance that if you are doing photo printing OS/2 is not the
platform to use. Until we get full drivers support for modern printers.
Until then you need to do your printing from Windows 2000, XP or Mac OSX. Of
course if you have Virtual PC, you can get creative and use that to print
from windows, saving you a reboot. But if you are printing photos from OS/2
on an i850 or newer Canon printer, you are just wasting ink and paper. If
you can't see that, then I can't help you.
Chris Stumpf
C.S.E. Computer Services
Computer Consultant (OS/2, Lan, Wan, CTI)
Serenity Systems Channel Partner
IBM Certified Systems Expert - OS/2 Warp 4
phone: [phone]

[Fred Blau]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:48:46 UTC, "David T. Johnson"

Post by David T. Johnson
Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
is better overall....
The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
outputs such as 8x10.

In that case, probably the 8x10 prints are limited by the resolution
of the original photo rather than the printer resolution. For
example, at 4 megapixels an 8x10 has less than 230 pixels per inch.

Post by David T. Johnson
If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
comparable ....

How do these last two cases compare with the first two above?

More interesting would be to compare the best OS/2 case with the
very best possible (possibly Win2k or WinXP) for this printer. Have
you been able to do that?

[David T. Johnson]

Post by Fred Blau
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:48:46 UTC, "David T. Johnson"

Post by David T. Johnson
Okay, when I look at 4x6 photos printed with the OS/2 Omni driver and
the Windows 98 driver side-by-side, I agree that the Windows 98 driver
is better overall....
The difference is much less pronounced if you print larger image
outputs such as 8x10.

In that case, probably the 8x10 prints are limited by the resolution
of the original photo rather than the printer resolution. For
example, at 4 megapixels an 8x10 has less than 230 pixels per inch.

Yes.

Post by Fred Blau

Post by David T. Johnson
If you print in OS/2 using the Canon BJC-8500 Win-OS2 driver and a Win
3.1 app such as Paint Shop Pro (available on Hobbes), however, the photo
output in OS/2 and Windows 98 with the Canon i850 printer are very
comparable ....

How do these last two cases compare with the first two above?

The last two are essentially the same. For the first two, the OS/2
drivers produce more mottling due to a lower resolution when you print
high resolution images in the 4x6 size.

Post by Fred Blau
More interesting would be to compare the best OS/2 case with the
very best possible (possibly Win2k or WinXP) for this printer. Have
you been able to do that?

The Windows drivers all produce identical results on the Canon i850
printer regardless of the Windows version that you use.

[Michael DeBusk]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.os2.apps.]
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:21:50 -0800 (PST), Chris Stumpf

Post by Chris Stumpf
I have a Canon i850. Very nice printer.

There are two or three, either refurbs or "gently used", on eBay as I
type this. I'm happy with my current printer, though.