S08E10 In the Forest of the Night

[Agamemnon]

New title sequence... it's not getting any better.

Tiger, tiger burning bright

In the forest of the night

What immortal hand or eye

Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.

Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.

Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.

Was this episode supposed to be a joke or has Moffat gone stark raving
bonkers?

I will not have my intelligence completely insulted.

Not only was there no explanation as to how the trees and other plant life
could have grown so fast without exploding (remember Terror of the
Vervoids?), where they got the soil and nutrients from in the middle of a
concrete city let alone a desert, and how they became not only sentient but
clairvoyant as well but no plot justification was given for the return of
the girl's sister at the end of the story either.

Where's the science behind Oxygen stopping something from burning? It's
Carbon Dioxide which does that. Don't they teach chemistry any more for
GCSE?

The trees which were downed in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908 weren't hit by a
solar flare. They were flattened by a meteor which sucked out the air
surrounding them when it scraped the edge of the earth's atmosphere and
narrowly avoided hitting the planet.

If the sun was even remotely capable of sending out a mass ejection of that
magnitude directed at earth the EMP would have knocked out every satellite
and piece of electrical equipment and transmission grid on the planet and it
would have been detected by Earth based observatories long before the girl
drew a picture of it.

So it's assuming that a mass of hydrogen the size of the moon hits the earth
and reacts with the oxygen the trees have provided to from water, right? The
size of the explosion would have been greater than every nuclear bomb
exploding at the same time. It would have destroyed everything and everyone
on the surface of the planet as well as wiping out all the breathable air.

I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly on
Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and another
mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the tiger from its
captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and forth in front of a
glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It can also have a bonus
point for getting the direction to Trafalgar Square right.

What was that old addage again?

NEVER WORK WITH CHILDREN OR ANIMALS.

After this episode you can add plants to that as well.

The acting from the kids was pure pantomime. OMG, I've not used that word in
a review since RTD left.

3/10

Looks like most of next week's plot for the season finale has been pulled
completely out of thin air as well without any proper development or
foreshadowing either.

[The Doctor]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.

IT was youtube based.

Post by Agamemnon
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

Good poetery.

Post by Agamemnon
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.
Was this episode supposed to be a joke or has Moffat gone stark raving
bonkers?
I will not have my intelligence completely insulted.
Not only was there no explanation as to how the trees and other plant life
could have grown so fast without exploding (remember Terror of the
Vervoids?), where they got the soil and nutrients from in the middle of a
concrete city let alone a desert, and how they became not only sentient but
clairvoyant as well but no plot justification was given for the return of
the girl's sister at the end of the story either.
Where's the science behind Oxygen stopping something from burning? It's
Carbon Dioxide which does that. Don't they teach chemistry any more for
GCSE?
The trees which were downed in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908 weren't hit by a
solar flare. They were flattened by a meteor which sucked out the air
surrounding them when it scraped the edge of the earth's atmosphere and
narrowly avoided hitting the planet.
If the sun was even remotely capable of sending out a mass ejection of that
magnitude directed at earth the EMP would have knocked out every satellite
and piece of electrical equipment and transmission grid on the planet and it
would have been detected by Earth based observatories long before the girl
drew a picture of it.
So it's assuming that a mass of hydrogen the size of the moon hits the earth
and reacts with the oxygen the trees have provided to from water, right? The
size of the explosion would have been greater than every nuclear bomb
exploding at the same time. It would have destroyed everything and everyone
on the surface of the planet as well as wiping out all the breathable air.
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly on
Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and another
mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the tiger from its
captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and forth in front of a
glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It can also have a bonus
point for getting the direction to Trafalgar Square right.
What was that old addage again?
NEVER WORK WITH CHILDREN OR ANIMALS.
After this episode you can add plants to that as well.
The acting from the kids was pure pantomime. OMG, I've not used that word in
a review since RTD left.
3/10

See you in a bit

Post by Agamemnon
Looks like most of next week's plot for the season finale has been pulled
completely out of thin air as well without any proper development or
foreshadowing either.

We shall see.

DW serious discussion now in progress.

[p***@conservation.org]

It would be nice to say that any of this was wrong. For most of the episode I was thinking "magic trees out of nowhere? That's an interesting premise - shame about the kids". Then it got onto the explanation for flame-retardant trees, and before long I thought the bad science would be enough to make my head explode - Who is hardly sci-fi in any sense that invokes, well, science, but even by Who standards there are few episodes that have introduced and yet so horribly mangled scientific concepts since The Tenth Planet.

[Agamemnon]

<***@conservation.org> wrote in message news:d402441c-5245-43b4-ac84-***@googlegroups.com...
<<<It would be nice to say that any of this was wrong. For most of the
episode I was thinking "magic trees out of nowhere? That's an interesting
premise - shame about the kids". Then it got onto the explanation for
flame-retardant trees, and before long I thought the bad science would be
enough to make my head explode - Who is hardly sci-fi in any sense that
invokes, well, science, but even by Who standards there are few episodes
that have introduced and yet so horribly mangled scientific concepts since
The Tenth Planet.>>>

I could have put up with the forest and the bad science if the little girl
had been revealed to be an alien that wanted to save the earth and her
sister was the actual forest or something like that but it didn't even do
that. The story was complete and utter bollocks and was used as nothing more
than a vehicle for Moffat to insert his Carry On Teacher gags.

Where was the explanation for the girl's sister returning home? The event
was pulled completely out of thin air just to have a happy ending. Any
decent writer would have taken the viewer through her journey not had her
appear in the last few seconds from inside a bush. Was she playing hide and
seek or something? Why did she run away? Did she run away? Was she abducted?
Why have her in the story at all. Why couldn't any other kids or humans hear
the trees? Why could she? What was the purpose of the girl's mother? She
didn't add anything constructive to the plot or characterisation. Why didn't
any of the other kids parents show up?

Rankings.

Time Heist
Into the Dalek
Mummy on the Orient Express
Robot of Sherwood
Deep Breath
Flatline
The Caretaker
Listen
In the Forest of the Night
Kill the Moon

[%]

Post by Agamemnon
<<<It would be nice to say that any of this was wrong. For most of the
episode I was thinking "magic trees out of nowhere? That's an
interesting premise - shame about the kids". Then it got onto the
explanation for flame-retardant trees, and before long I thought the
bad science would be enough to make my head explode - Who is hardly
sci-fi in any sense that invokes, well, science, but even by Who
standards there are few episodes that have introduced and yet so
horribly mangled scientific concepts since The Tenth Planet.>>>
I could have put up with the forest and the bad science if the little
girl had been revealed to be an alien that wanted to save the earth
and her sister was the actual forest or something like that but it
didn't even do that. The story was complete and utter bollocks and
was used as nothing more than a vehicle for Moffat to insert his
Carry On Teacher gags.
Where was the explanation for the girl's sister returning home? The
event was pulled completely out of thin air just to have a happy
ending. Any decent writer would have taken the viewer through her
journey not had her appear in the last few seconds from inside a
bush. Was she playing hide and seek or something? Why did she run
away? Did she run away? Was she abducted? Why have her in the story
at all. Why couldn't any other kids or humans hear the trees? Why
could she? What was the purpose of the girl's mother? She didn't add
anything constructive to the plot or characterisation. Why didn't any
of the other kids parents show up?
Rankings.
Time Heist
Into the Dalek
Mummy on the Orient Express
Robot of Sherwood
Deep Breath
Flatline
The Caretaker
Listen
In the Forest of the Night
Kill the Moon

ok thanks

[Siri Crews]

Post by p***@conservation.org
science, but even by Who standards there are few episodes that have
introduced and yet so horribly mangled scientific concepts since The Tenth
Planet.

What possible evolutionary advantage would you have puking up part your brain
outside the safety of your skull and then lose half your manipulative limbs just
to tote it around?

Doctor Who like Star Wars is firmly science fantasy not science fiction. It
doesn't play by the same rules as shows like Star Trek.

[p***@conservation.org]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by p***@conservation.org
science, but even by Who standards there are few episodes that have
introduced and yet so horribly mangled scientific concepts since The Tenth
Planet.

What possible evolutionary advantage would you have puking up part your brain
outside the safety of your skull and then lose half your manipulative limbs just
to tote it around?
Doctor Who like Star Wars is firmly science fantasy not science fiction. It
doesn't play by the same rules as shows like Star Trek.

Which is why I don't mind it producing complete fantasies. It's when it tries to give scientific explanations and thoroughly mangles them as it did here that I start getting headaches. They never tried explaining why the Ood looked like Ood, they just passed it off as part of the fantasy. The rules are different when evoking real events like the Tunguska airburst and adding fantasy causes, or when so egregiously misusing such concepts as the solar wind, solar flares, or the role plants have in supplying oxygen.

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by p***@conservation.org
It would be nice to say that any of this was wrong. For most of the episode I was thinking "magic trees out of nowhere? That's an interesting premise - shame about the kids". Then it got onto the explanation for flame-retardant trees, and before long I thought the bad science would be enough to make my head explode - Who is hardly sci-fi in any sense that invokes, well, science, but even by Who standards there are few episodes that have introduced and yet so horribly mangled scientific concepts since The Tenth Planet.

How should Magic Trees be done?

[The Doctor]

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7,

Post by p***@conservation.org
It would be nice to say that any of this was wrong. For most of the

episode I was thinking "magic trees out of nowhere? That's an
interesting premise - shame about the kids". Then it got onto the
explanation for flame-retardant trees, and before long I thought the bad
science would be enough to make my head explode - Who is hardly sci-fi
in any sense that invokes, well, science, but even by Who standards
there are few episodes that have introduced and yet so horribly mangled
scientific concepts since The Tenth Planet.
How should Magic Trees be done?

You tell us.

[Siri Crews]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.
Tiger, tiger burning bright

The poem is trying to reconcile a merciful god with a god that created lambs and
tygers such that tygers have to rip apart lambs to survive.

When the tiger shows up, it's the soldier-boy PE teacher that saves Clara
without ripping apart the tiger. The guy trying to find wonder in the everyday
world around him

Post by Agamemnon
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.

This is another unsuccessful attempt to fuse two stories into one. One story is
a fairytale with fairies dancing around a young queen Medb invoking the spirit
of the forest to save the queen and her people.

The other was about Danny explaining that he didn't need any 'spark' in his
life; he had tried that and found it wanting. Instead he found wonder in the
mundane that Clara is ignoring. (7 Faces of Dr Lao: marvel of life

Post by Agamemnon
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant

That's the result of mashing together two different stories into one. The show
doesn't let Danny travel in Tardis so story has to take to place in contemporary
London, but it's hard to accept the magic and subsequent amnesia in London
rather than, say, Androzani Minor or Metebelis 3.

Post by Agamemnon
clairvoyant as well but no plot justification was given for the return of
the girl's sister at the end of the story either.

They showed the sister's eyes in the bush, and then the bush transforms with a
burst of fairies and spirits of the trees into the sister. So part of the forest
magic is the sister was recreated/rescued/resurrected/whatever as a reward to
the faithful princess Medb. I didn't follow the in-story explanation of the
fairies: like much else they got jammed in roughly because they have two
different stories for one plot.

Post by Agamemnon
Where's the science behind Oxygen stopping something from burning? It's
Carbon Dioxide which does that. Don't they teach chemistry any more for
GCSE?

It sounds like oilwell blowout specialists: they put out oilwell fires by
exploding a bomb in the fire to use up all the oxygen at once and snuffing out
the fire. Sort of, but not really, fits.

Post by Agamemnon
If the sun was even remotely capable of sending out a mass ejection of that
magnitude directed at earth the EMP would have knocked out every satellite
and piece of electrical equipment and transmission grid on the planet and it
would have been detected by Earth based observatories long before the girl
drew a picture of it.
So it's assuming that a mass of hydrogen the size of the moon hits the earth
and reacts with the oxygen the trees have provided to from water, right? The

Plasma and gas are much less dense than moon rock. A hydrogen ball the mass of
the moon would be much larger, like hundreds? thousands? millions? time the Moon
diameter. That means just a small fraction would hit the Earth. Actually the
earth is already hit by these eruptions on a regular basis with our magnetic
field and upper atmosphere dealing with it.

There won't be a signficant EMP if any. You create an insignficant EMP everytime
you flip a light switch. Even a large EMP can be stopped by a thick enough
Faraday cage. Computer cases and many other electronic cabinets are thin Faraday
cages to block EMPs from the electronics from disrupting other devices.

[b***@topmail.co.nz]

Post by Siri Crews
There won't be a signficant EMP if any. You create an insignficant EMP everytime
you flip a light switch. Even a large EMP can be stopped by a thick enough
Faraday cage. Computer cases and many other electronic cabinets are thin Faraday
cages to block EMPs from the electronics from disrupting other devices.

There have been large solar flares long ago that stuffed up the telegraph
and railways. Fortunately we haven't had a biggie in the electronic age.

[Ryan P.]

Post by b***@topmail.co.nz

Post by Siri Crews
There won't be a signficant EMP if any. You create an insignficant EMP everytime
you flip a light switch. Even a large EMP can be stopped by a thick enough
Faraday cage. Computer cases and many other electronic cabinets are thin Faraday
cages to block EMPs from the electronics from disrupting other devices.

There have been large solar flares long ago that stuffed up the telegraph
and railways. Fortunately we haven't had a biggie in the electronic age.

Ugh... had a nice reply, and then accidentally hit Reply rather than
followup. Sorry for the random email, Bruce!

Anyway, for the rest of the group...

Minor flares interrupt satellite transmissions all the time. I used to
work at a radios station, and remember having to provide programming for
5-15 minute windows when sun activity would interrupt a feed.

That being said, I'm sure strategic locations (at least in most Western
nations) are hardened against EMPs because of nuclear weapons fears,
real or imagined.

If a flare packed enough punch to disrupt all electronics on the planet,
we probably would have much more to worry about other than lack of
electricity and our gadgets.

[Siri Crews]

Post by Ryan P.

Post by b***@topmail.co.nz

Post by Siri Crews
There won't be a signficant EMP if any. You create an insignficant EMP everytime
you flip a light switch. Even a large EMP can be stopped by a thick enough
Faraday cage. Computer cases and many other electronic cabinets are thin Faraday
cages to block EMPs from the electronics from disrupting other devices.

There have been large solar flares long ago that stuffed up the telegraph
and railways. Fortunately we haven't had a biggie in the electronic age.

Ugh... had a nice reply, and then accidentally hit Reply rather than
followup. Sorry for the random email, Bruce!
Anyway, for the rest of the group...
Minor flares interrupt satellite transmissions all the time. I used to
work at a radios station, and remember having to provide programming for
5-15 minute windows when sun activity would interrupt a feed.
That being said, I'm sure strategic locations (at least in most Western
nations) are hardened against EMPs because of nuclear weapons fears,
real or imagined.
If a flare packed enough punch to disrupt all electronics on the planet,
we probably would have much more to worry about other than lack of
electricity and our gadgets.

It's random fluctuating electrical fields in the plasma and ionisation caused by
high energy photons and particles. Satellites are above the atmosphere and so
above the protection from radiation; ionisation builds up static charge until it
can discharge as well as damaging component molecules. Farther satellites are
also exposed directly to solar plasma.

Radiation ionises the upper atmosphere which produces radio static on discharge
between the Earth and satellites.

[The Doctor]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.

Post by b***@topmail.co.nz

Post by Siri Crews
There won't be a signficant EMP if any. You create an insignficant EMP everytime
you flip a light switch. Even a large EMP can be stopped by a thick enough
Faraday cage. Computer cases and many other electronic cabinets are thin Faraday
cages to block EMPs from the electronics from disrupting other devices.

There have been large solar flares long ago that stuffed up the telegraph
and railways. Fortunately we haven't had a biggie in the electronic age.

Ugh... had a nice reply, and then accidentally hit Reply rather than
followup. Sorry for the random email, Bruce!
Anyway, for the rest of the group...
Minor flares interrupt satellite transmissions all the time. I used to
work at a radios station, and remember having to provide programming for
5-15 minute windows when sun activity would interrupt a feed.
That being said, I'm sure strategic locations (at least in most Western
nations) are hardened against EMPs because of nuclear weapons fears,
real or imagined.
If a flare packed enough punch to disrupt all electronics on the planet,
we probably would have much more to worry about other than lack of
electricity and our gadgets.

It's random fluctuating electrical fields in the plasma and ionisation caused by
high energy photons and particles. Satellites are above the atmosphere and so
above the protection from radiation; ionisation builds up static charge until it
can discharge as well as damaging component molecules. Farther satellites are
also exposed directly to solar plasma.
Radiation ionises the upper atmosphere which produces radio static on discharge
between the Earth and satellites.

The more the better!

[TB]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.

Fanwanks: The trees will erase everyone's memories of their visit, and also delete all electronic records. Also, its possible that the solar flare deleted the electronic records.

"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Post by Agamemnon
The trees which were downed in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908 weren't hit by a
solar flare. They were flattened by a meteor which sucked out the air
surrounding them when it scraped the edge of the earth's atmosphere and
narrowly avoided hitting the planet.

I had thought that said meteor had exploded over Siberia like an atomic bomb.

[Siri Crews]

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

[TB]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why didn't the magic trees protect Earth from the solar flare that had forced the Ark to flee Earth with humans and their alien servants?

Or maybe the trees did intervene, but the Ark personnel didn't notice, having fled long before the climax!

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why would the Magic Trees need Earth to be desolate for Tom Baker?

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why would magic trees want the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes?

[The Doctor]

Post by TB

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save

Earth from

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a

space whale?

Post by Siri Crews
Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why would magic trees want the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes?

No.

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save Earth from
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a space whale?

Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why would trees care?

[The Doctor]

Post by TB

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
"The Beast Below": Why didn't these magic trees intervene to save

Earth from

Post by Siri Crews

Post by TB
the disaster which forced the entire UK to flee on the back of a

space whale?

Post by Siri Crews
Because they need the Earth desolate for the Tom Baker Ark in Space episodes.

Why would trees care?

Purification of the Earth.

[TB]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life.

How do these trees grow in Antarctica?

Why is it called a "Forest of the Night" when most of the action takes place during the day?

[solar penguin]

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)

The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

[TB]

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

End of episode: A magic bush dissolves, releasing Mave's (SP?) long missing sister. I'm betting that the trees kidnapped or transformed much of humanity, including the residents of the palace. This would explain their absence from the episode.

[Agamemnon]

Post by TB

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

End of episode: A magic bush dissolves, releasing Mave's (SP?) long
missing sister. I'm betting that the trees kidnapped or transformed much
of humanity, including the residents of the palace. This would explain
their absence from the episode.

Why? For what motive? Maybe she was hallucinating. Did you watch episode 1
of Agent's of SHIELD. Agent's shows no sign of improving but it was still
better than this weeks pile of tosh from Moffat.

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by TB

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

End of episode: A magic bush dissolves, releasing Mave's (SP?) long
missing sister. I'm betting that the trees kidnapped or transformed much
of humanity, including the residents of the palace. This would explain
their absence from the episode.

Why? For what motive? Maybe she was hallucinating. Did you watch episode 1
of Agent's of SHIELD. Agent's shows no sign of improving but it was still
better than this weeks pile of tosh from Moffat.

Did Magic Trees sprout up?

[The Doctor]

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Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

End of episode: A magic bush dissolves, releasing Mave's (SP?) long
missing sister. I'm betting that the trees kidnapped or transformed much
of humanity, including the residents of the palace. This would explain
their absence from the episode.

Why? For what motive? Maybe she was hallucinating. Did you watch episode 1
of Agent's of SHIELD. Agent's shows no sign of improving but it was still
better than this weeks pile of tosh from Moffat.

Did Magic Trees sprout up?

MAybe not.

[Agamemnon]

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

[Your Name]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

The trees are blocking everyone's front door. ;-)

[Agamemnon]

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Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

The trees are blocking everyone's front door. ;-)

Front doors normally open inwards.

[Your Name]

Post by Agamemnon

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Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it.
It can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over
at the Natural History Museum.

The trees are blocking everyone's front door. ;-)

Front doors normally open inwards.

But a tree right in front of the doorway will still block you from
getting out.

Our front door opens inwards, but our back door opens outwards. The
lounge room and main bedroom have sliding window-doors.

[Ryan P.]

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Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it.
It can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over
at the Natural History Museum.

The trees are blocking everyone's front door. ;-)

Front doors normally open inwards.

But a tree right in front of the doorway will still block you from
getting out.
Our front door opens inwards, but our back door opens outwards. The
lounge room and main bedroom have sliding window-doors.

Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most doors on
houses have the primary wood or steel door, which normally opens in.
Then they also have a storm/screen door which normally opens out.

Although I have to say, I very rarely see a storm/screen door when I
watch Dr Who. :)

[Siri Crews]

Post by Ryan P.
Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most doors on
houses have the primary wood or steel door, which normally opens in.
Then they also have a storm/screen door which normally opens out.

It has to do with the hinges. Cheap doors use pin hinges that are exposed on the
side the door opens to. If these doors openned out, thieves could take the pins
out in less than a minute and take the door out of the frame.

More expensive hinges don't have exposed pins and can open in either or both
directions.

[Agamemnon]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.
Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most doors on
houses have the primary wood or steel door, which normally opens in.
Then they also have a storm/screen door which normally opens out.

It has to do with the hinges. Cheap doors use pin hinges that are exposed on the
side the door opens to. If these doors openned out, thieves could take the pins
out in less than a minute and take the door out of the frame.
More expensive hinges don't have exposed pins and can open in either or both
directions.

The reason why most front doors open inwards is because you don't want to be
sued if you open your door outwards and it hits someone walking down the
pavement in front of your door or standing in front of it waiting to be let
in.

[Your Name]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.
Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most doors on
houses have the primary wood or steel door, which normally opens in.
Then they also have a storm/screen door which normally opens out.

It has to do with the hinges. Cheap doors use pin hinges that are exposed
on the side the door opens to. If these doors openned out, thieves could
take the pins out in less than a minute and take the door out of the frame.
More expensive hinges don't have exposed pins and can open in either or
both directions.

The reason why most front doors open inwards is because you don't want to be
sued if you open your door outwards and it hits someone walking down the
pavement in front of your door or standing in front of it waiting to be let
in.

You could be right for an inner-city appartment building, but most
suburban houses are well back from the footpath. Anyone knocking on my
front door is most likely a moronic salesperson who would deserve to be
hit by the door if it opened outwards (or soon idiotic "trick or
treaters' who ignored the "Go Away" sign), but unfortunately it opens
inwards.

Opening the door towards yourself as the home owner is perhaps also
related to some sort of tradition of "welcoming visitors" ... sort of
an "arms open wide" type of thing.

[%]

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Post by Agamemnon

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.
Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most
doors on houses have the primary wood or steel door, which
normally opens in. Then they also have a storm/screen door which
normally opens out.

It has to do with the hinges. Cheap doors use pin hinges that are
exposed on the side the door opens to. If these doors openned out,
thieves could take the pins out in less than a minute and take the
door out of the frame.
More expensive hinges don't have exposed pins and can open in
either or both directions.

The reason why most front doors open inwards is because you don't
want to be sued if you open your door outwards and it hits someone
walking down the pavement in front of your door or standing in front
of it waiting to be let in.

You could be right for an inner-city appartment building, but most
suburban houses are well back from the footpath. Anyone knocking on my
front door is most likely a moronic salesperson who would deserve to
be hit by the door if it opened outwards (or soon idiotic "trick or
treaters' who ignored the "Go Away" sign), but unfortunately it opens
inwards.
Opening the door towards yourself as the home owner is perhaps also
related to some sort of tradition of "welcoming visitors" ... sort of
an "arms open wide" type of thing.

[%]

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Post by Agamemnon

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.
Here in Wisconsin (and many other places in the States), most
doors on houses have the primary wood or steel door, which
normally opens in. Then they also have a storm/screen door which
normally opens out.

It has to do with the hinges. Cheap doors use pin hinges that are
exposed on the side the door opens to. If these doors openned out,
thieves could take the pins out in less than a minute and take the
door out of the frame.
More expensive hinges don't have exposed pins and can open in
either or both directions.

The reason why most front doors open inwards is because you don't
want to be sued if you open your door outwards and it hits someone
walking down the pavement in front of your door or standing in front
of it waiting to be let in.

You could be right for an inner-city appartment building, but most
suburban houses are well back from the footpath. Anyone knocking on my
front door is most likely a moronic salesperson who would deserve to
be hit by the door if it opened outwards (or soon idiotic "trick or
treaters' who ignored the "Go Away" sign), but unfortunately it opens
inwards.
Opening the door towards yourself as the home owner is perhaps also
related to some sort of tradition of "welcoming visitors" ... sort of
an "arms open wide" type of thing.

[TB]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

The cars wouldn't have been able to get past all those trees!

[Your Name]

Post by TB

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

The cars wouldn't have been able to get past all those trees!

Wacky Races' Buzz Wagon would. ;-)
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7/BuzzWagonAni.gif>

[Agamemnon]

Post by TB

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

The cars wouldn't have been able to get past all those trees!

There still should have been parked or abandoned ones.

[Your Name]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by TB

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over
at the Natural History Museum.

The cars wouldn't have been able to get past all those trees!

There still should have been parked or abandoned ones.

There are, but they're now parked on top of the trees because the trees
grew underneath them. ;-)

[TB]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

How would you expect the cars to get through that thick forest?

I'm surprised that the Magic Trees didn't wreck all the pipes, fiber optic cables, and power lines!

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

How would cars go anywhere?

[The Doctor]

Post by Timothy Bruening

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

How would cars go anywhere?

They are blocked.

[Timothy Bruening]

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Post by Timothy Bruening

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services either.
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

How would cars go anywhere?

They are blocked.

Go bikes!

[The Doctor]

Post by Agamemnon

Post by The Doctor

Post by Timothy Bruening

Post by Agamemnon

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Didn't even see any cars or pedestrians or other emergency services

either.

Post by The Doctor

Post by Timothy Bruening

Post by Agamemnon
Like the whole of London, a city of 10 million people has all decided to
stay indoors apart from a bunch of disruptive school kids sleeping over at
the Natural History Museum.

How would cars go anywhere?

They are blocked.

Go bikes!

And pedestrians.

[The Doctor]

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

Maybe the trees were blocking their way or the Palace was more heavily
guarded from the inside.

[Your Name]

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

The entire palace was asleep, just like in Sleeping beauty. ;-)

[The Doctor]

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Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

The entire palace was asleep, just like in Sleeping beauty. ;-)

Quotefile!!

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

The entire palace was asleep, just like in Sleeping beauty. ;-)

Doctor Who Plot: The Doctor finds an entire planet of sleeping people. He discovers that aliens put everyone to sleep (shortly before the Doctor's arrival) in preparation for an invasion, which starts shortly after the Doctor's arrival.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Your Name

Post by solar penguin

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly
on Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it, and
another mark for remembering the wolves at London Zoo and freeing the
tiger from its captivity. The last one I saw there was pacing back and
forth in front of a glass screen and didn't look very happy about it. It
can also have a bonus point for getting the direction to Trafalgar
Square right.

OTOH the walk from the Natural History Museum to Trafalgar Square would
take them right past Buckingham Palace. (Knightsbridge, Hyde Park
Corner, Buckingham Palace, the Mall, Trafalgar Square.)
The area round the Palace would've been swarming with soldiers, mounted
police, etc., stopping everyone, making sure that no terrorists takes
advantage of this happening to assassinate the royal family! We didn't
see any of that.

The entire palace was asleep, just like in Sleeping beauty. ;-)

Doctor Who Plot: The Doctor finds an entire planet of sleeping people.
He discovers that aliens put everyone to sleep (shortly before the
Doctor's arrival) in preparation for an invasion, which starts shortly
after the Doctor's arrival.

Recycling a plot?

[Jack Bohn]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.

I could do without the tunnel o' gears, but i rather like the unwinding clock face. I keep meaning to check if there's a "XIII" in one of the spirals.

Post by Agamemnon
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.

That ship sailed with the Loch Ness Monster swimming up the Thames, if not the evacuation of London during the Dinosaur Invasion or the great Silurian plague. For the casual viewer, the Earth the Doctor visits is the one outside their window; any public alarm, disaster, commotion, will be treated by the public as the first one.

Post by Agamemnon
Not only was there no explanation as to how the trees and other plant life
could have grown so fast without exploding (remember Terror of the
Vervoids?), where they got the soil and nutrients from in the middle of a
concrete city let alone a desert, and how they became not only sentient but
clairvoyant as well

The Doctor himself noted you don't get trees to grow overnight with just some extra fertilizer; you have to mess with time. These must be time-traveling trees from the future come back to when history showed they prevented the flaredeath. They then disappeared a short time after, not burning up in the flare, but time traveling after a bit of a rest.

Post by Agamemnon
but no plot justification was given for the return of
the girl's sister at the end of the story either.

"Anabel Arden, please come home." Carping about her being close enough to respond in time for a sappy ending as the Maebh and her mother get home and the plants disappear is just being dour.

Post by Agamemnon
Where's the science behind Oxygen stopping something from burning? It's
Carbon Dioxide which does that. Don't they teach chemistry any more for
GCSE?

The theory was the trees withholding oxygen, so as not to allow burning. Alas, that's like me withholding permission to read this post, too late once it's out there. But that was only a theory, maybe the trees were actually fireproof?

Post by Agamemnon
The trees which were downed in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908 weren't hit by a
solar flare. They were flattened by a meteor which sucked out the air
surrounding them when it scraped the edge of the earth's atmosphere and
narrowly avoided hitting the planet.

The explanations I've heard involve a central overpressure rather than scraping the atmosphere allowing air to be sucked out around it, but yeah, not a flare. But then, the second event mentioned was another meteor strike (in the Gulf of Mexico) said to have supposed to split the planet apart (what? in that case it was the plants' root system that held it together?)

Post by Agamemnon
If the sun was even remotely capable of sending out a mass ejection of that
magnitude directed at earth the EMP would have knocked out every satellite
and piece of electrical equipment and transmission grid on the planet and it
would have been detected by Earth based observatories long before the girl
drew a picture of it.
So it's assuming that a mass of hydrogen the size of the moon hits the earth
and reacts with the oxygen the trees have provided to from water, right? The
size of the explosion would have been greater than every nuclear bomb
exploding at the same time. It would have destroyed everything and everyone
on the surface of the planet as well as wiping out all the breathable air.

I didn't note if any mass or volume of ejecta was given, but from the constant reference to airbags, I had the impression the extra oxygen was for the solar particles to bounce off of instead of reaching the surface. There's several problems of scale with this idea, but that's par for the Doctor Who course.

Post by Agamemnon
I'll give it one mark for locating the Natural History Museum correctly on
Cromwell Road, although the interior looked nothing like it,

Is there a reason it was called something like The British Zoological Museum? What entities can decide for or against being name dropped? I recall the United Nations raised concerns about UNIT, but apparently NASA hasn't raised an international incident over their use?

[Ryan P.]

Post by Jack Bohn
Is there a reason it was called something like The British Zoological Museum? What entities can decide for or against being name dropped? I recall the United Nations raised concerns about UNIT, but apparently NASA hasn't raised an international incident over their use?

Much like it lacks common sense, the will to do anything meaningful, and
any sort of memory that would keep them from repeating past mistakes,
the UN also lacks a sense of humor. :)

I mean, seriously... what possible harm to the UN is there in having a
fake organization in a fantasy TV show use their name? Were they afraid
that some nation they're courting to join would think they really do
have an alien adviser that they work with to defend the planet against
Daleks and Cybermen?

[Siri Crews]

Post by Ryan P.
I mean, seriously... what possible harm to the UN is there in having a
fake organization in a fantasy TV show use their name? Were they afraid
that some nation they're courting to join would think they really do
have an alien adviser that they work with to defend the planet against
Daleks and Cybermen?

No, but if the UN did nothing, idiots would interpret that as an endorsement of
a television programme. In the same way in this country movies almost always use
a fake president rather than the actual contemporary president: the footage is
public domain, but idiots can mistake it to mean a sitting president approves
the movie.

Or GI Joe movies that use an English president.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Siri Crews

Post by Ryan P.
I mean, seriously... what possible harm to the UN is there in having a
fake organization in a fantasy TV show use their name? Were they afraid
that some nation they're courting to join would think they really do
have an alien adviser that they work with to defend the planet against
Daleks and Cybermen?

No, but if the UN did nothing, idiots would interpret that as an endorsement of
a television programme. In the same way in this country movies almost always use
a fake president rather than the actual contemporary president: the footage is
public domain, but idiots can mistake it to mean a sitting president approves
the movie.

And the movie and TV producers don't want to go to the trouble of asking Presidents for permission to portray them?

[~consul]

I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

Trees have life.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

Trees have life.

How did the trees become sentient?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

Trees have life.

How did the trees become sentient?

Don't cut them down.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

Trees have life.

How did the trees become sentient?

Don't cut them down.

Are you quoting your sentient trees?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

But how did the first sentient books come to be sentient?

Trees have life.

How did the trees become sentient?

Don't cut them down.

Are you quoting your sentient trees?

Well the Nastra occupies the trees.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

The books are sentient because they were made by sentient books? That sounds circular.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ~consul
I was wondering with this episode of the Trees being somewhat
sentient, were there any links to the Library episode with Donna? IIRC
the books were somewhat sentient because of them being made by
sentient books.

The books are sentient because they were made by sentient books? That sounds circular.

Well the vashtra contaminated the books.

[TB]

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In this episode, Magic Trees grow all over Earth's surface, including the oceans, and protect Earth from a solar flare.

Why didn't these trees intervene to protect Earth from solar flares during "The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People", or during the flares that had forced Great Britain to hop a ride on a passing space whale centuries before "The Beast Below"?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.

Obviously, the Magic Trees must have a way of erasing all records of themselves once they are done. The records on TV, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and mobile phones would all be electronic, so could be erased via an EMP or a computer virus.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Agamemnon
New title sequence... it's not getting any better.
Tiger, tiger burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Not Stephen Moffat and his attempt to turn Doctor Who into a children's
sit-com.
Even The Sarah Jane Adventures could do better than this.
Not only is Moffat asking the viewer to believe that overnight the whole of
London is turned into a forest of trees but it's the entire planet, oceans,
seas, deserts, yes, deserts and all which are totally over run with plant
life. And then everyone is going forget about the fact that it ever even
happened a day later, despite it being broadcast and recorded on every
single TV station, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and mobile phone in existence.

Obviously, the Magic Trees must have a way of erasing all records of
themselves once they are done. The records on TV, YouTube, Facebook,
Twitter, and mobile phones would all be electronic, so could be erased
via an EMP or a computer virus.

BOOM!

[Tim Bruening]

Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The
trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

And prevented Earth from crisoing out of existance.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The
trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

And prevented Earth from crisoing out of existance.

The Criso Kid?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The
trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

And prevented Earth from crisoing out of existance.

The Criso Kid?

That should be crispoing.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The
trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

And prevented Earth from crisoing out of existance.

The Criso Kid?

That should be crispoing.

How do you "Crispo"?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Fanwank re the trees covering all of Earth's surface overnight: The
trees got the nutrients they needed out of subspace!

And prevented Earth from crisoing out of existance.

The Criso Kid?

That should be crispoing.

How do you "Crispo"?

Correct that should be crisping.

[Tim Bruening]

Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.

A lion statue.

A tiger on the loose.

Birds over the heavily forested London.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks of birds.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks of birds.

A pack of wolves just chased Mave. Now a tiger is growling at the group. Tiger chased off by Danny Pink.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks

of birds.
A pack of wolves just chased Mave. Now a tiger is growling at the
group. Tiger chased off by Danny Pink.

Trlling Trivia Pursuit yet again.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks of birds.

Mave has a nervous tick.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks

of birds.
Mave has a nervous tick.

Tick!

[Tim Bruening]

Mave is surrounded by fireflies, and is talking in a low voice.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Mave is surrounded by fireflies, and is talking in a low voice.

Animal obsession.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

I just heard a wolf howl. I have twice seen a lion statue and flocks of birds.

Are you watching Forest of the Night yet again?

[Tim Bruening]

Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest the entire world overnight?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

Along those lines

[Tim Bruening]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

Along those lines

The magic trees must have had REALLY LONG roots!

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

Along those lines

The magic trees must have had REALLY LONG roots!

Very!

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

Along those lines

The magic trees must have had REALLY LONG roots!

Very!

The Doctor postulated time acceleration.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by The Doctor

Post by Tim Bruening
Where did the magic trees obtain all the energy they needed to forest
the entire world overnight?

Mother Earth

So the trees used geothermal power?

Along those lines

The magic trees must have had REALLY LONG roots!

Very!

The Doctor postulated time acceleration.

Anyone recalls?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

The Doctor mentions cooking mammoth.

Oof!

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
Animals: Wolves, both living and stuffed.
A lion statue.
A tiger on the loose.
Birds over the heavily forested London.

Back to Trivial Pursuit are you?

[Tim Bruening]

A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?

The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down the trees so that the trees can block the flare!

But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal memories of the trees?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening
A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?
The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down the trees so that the trees can block the flare!
But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal memories of the trees?

Alternate way to protect Earth from flare: Just materialize the TARDIS around Earth!

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM

radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?

Post by Tim Bruening
The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot

point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down
the trees so that the trees can block the flare!

Post by Tim Bruening
But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal

memories of the trees?
Alternate way to protect Earth from flare: Just materialize the TARDIS around Earth!

How?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM

radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?

Post by Tim Bruening
The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot

point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down
the trees so that the trees can block the flare!

Post by Tim Bruening
But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal

memories of the trees?
Alternate way to protect Earth from flare: Just materialize the TARDIS around Earth!

How?

Can't the TARDIS be of any size on the inside?

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM

radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?

Post by Tim Bruening
The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot

point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down
the trees so that the trees can block the flare!

Post by Tim Bruening
But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal

memories of the trees?
Alternate way to protect Earth from flare: Just materialize the TARDIS around Earth!

How?

Can't the TARDIS be of any size on the inside?

On Frontios, the TARDIS ended up all over the place.

[The Doctor]

Post by Tim Bruening
A big solar flare is on its way to Earth. Shouldn't the associated EM
radiation have disabled the communications satellites by now?
The fact that the com satellites are still working is a major plot
point, since that is how the kids will warn the world not to chop down
the trees so that the trees can block the flare!
But will the EMP serve to wipe out all electronic records and personal memories of the trees?

EMP can destroy computers.