Sean_Q_
2008-05-28 21:32:09 UTC
According to a documentary on Tolkien, he wanted an "English" national
legend. Apparently the Arthurian legends wouldn't do because they were
a "French import".
And yet Arthur himself was supposed to be a "Briton" -- in his case
a Romanized Celt in the latter part of the 5th century.
His legends involve mounted knights in armor with all the trappings
such as squires, lances, jousts etc.
However it's my understanding is that all this didn't really get its
start in Europe until the 8th century; specifically at the Battle
of Tours (732 AD) when Charles Martel's infantry defeated the mounted
Umayyads and then began to adopt their foes' cavalry technology.
In fact even by 1066 the English were *still* fighting on foot,
as did Harold's Saxons at Hastings.
Something doesn't add up here. The Normans had knights in armor
at Hastings. Why didn't Harold ??? -- if they'd already been around
in England for 3 centuries.
Or were they...(?) Hmmm... I don't recall King Alfred leading armored
cavalry into battle against the Danes either. Something awful fishy
is going on here.
The legends of Arthur and Camelot seem so real and so vivid that it's
hard to believe they're all a construct that has been pulled over my
eyes to blind me from the truth (as Morpheus in _Matrix_ might say).
Tolkien's world is also vivid, but he was careful to place the action
in a fictional geography.
Sean_Q_
legend. Apparently the Arthurian legends wouldn't do because they were
a "French import".
And yet Arthur himself was supposed to be a "Briton" -- in his case
a Romanized Celt in the latter part of the 5th century.
His legends involve mounted knights in armor with all the trappings
such as squires, lances, jousts etc.
However it's my understanding is that all this didn't really get its
start in Europe until the 8th century; specifically at the Battle
of Tours (732 AD) when Charles Martel's infantry defeated the mounted
Umayyads and then began to adopt their foes' cavalry technology.
In fact even by 1066 the English were *still* fighting on foot,
as did Harold's Saxons at Hastings.
Something doesn't add up here. The Normans had knights in armor
at Hastings. Why didn't Harold ??? -- if they'd already been around
in England for 3 centuries.
Or were they...(?) Hmmm... I don't recall King Alfred leading armored
cavalry into battle against the Danes either. Something awful fishy
is going on here.
The legends of Arthur and Camelot seem so real and so vivid that it's
hard to believe they're all a construct that has been pulled over my
eyes to blind me from the truth (as Morpheus in _Matrix_ might say).
Tolkien's world is also vivid, but he was careful to place the action
in a fictional geography.
Sean_Q_