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British "sluts" aided the German war effort in WW II....
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LOCK N. LOAD
2005-11-02 15:27:27 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/8kepe

Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
d***@aol.com
2005-11-02 15:29:20 UTC
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Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Sluts rule.
Harry
2005-11-02 15:36:44 UTC
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Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Every country has some socially redeeming value. I look on the Brits in
a better light after that story
Tony Lima
2005-11-02 15:52:48 UTC
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:27:27 GMT, LOCK N. LOAD
Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
While spelling flames are outlawed on usenet, this one made
me LOL. - Tony
Rifleman
2005-11-02 15:58:19 UTC
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The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it
had started and the tide had already turned.
Edward M. Kennedy
2005-11-02 16:30:28 UTC
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The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it had started and the tide had already
turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.

--Tedward
Harry
2005-11-02 17:16:36 UTC
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Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
I am an Anglo-phile - I simply love the Brits - but Ted is so right
here. When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you. Not only did we enter the war in December, 1941 - but we
were sending you ships and planes - etc - for years before that. Many US
citizens went to Canada to fly Canadian planes to help out too. Many
women flyers spent hours ferrying planes over to "the biggest aircraft
carrier" ever.

Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
prodigal son colonies to rescue a once gigantic world power. Brits tend
to live in the past - and in your case re-write it. Although the current
US foreign policy is terrible (and you Brits seems to go along with it)
- in the past the US has been gracious to GB, France, Japan, Russia,
Italy - and many other countries that took up the sword against us -
both in hot and cold wars.

If the US would not have gone after the Hitler - Werner Von Braun would
have been firing heat seeking rockets up the butts of individual Brits
that were so full of hot air - they would have had to use air to air
missiles.

Harry
Rifleman
2005-11-02 17:51:08 UTC
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Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
prodigal son colonies to rescue a once gigantic world power. Brits tend
to live in the past - and in your case re-write it. Although the current
US foreign policy is terrible (and you Brits seems to go along with it)
- in the past the US has been gracious to GB, France, Japan, Russia,
Italy - and many other countries that took up the sword against us -
both in hot and cold wars.
If the US would not have gone after the Hitler - Werner Von Braun would
have been firing heat seeking rockets up the butts of individual Brits
that were so full of hot air - they would have had to use air to air
missiles.
Harry
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
to see which side was winning, then when they got whupped by the japs in
their own back yard they decided they should join in on our side, Yes the US
contributed lots of kit and quite a few men , but they only contributed to
the over all effort, Kasserine pass was as fortaste to come, then D Day when
the Brits and Candians fought their way inland while the US stayed on the
beaches, then to trhe Ardenne where the yanks nearly cost us the war.

Gracious In what way?? If it was not for France you would not exist, their
navys attack on the small brit force in the US tipped the war in your
favour, What about Gracious when the Brits saved your sorry asses in Korea ?
stephenj
2005-11-02 21:27:19 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
ROFL! The US and USSR did all the heavy-lifting in WW2. Brits and Franks
were along for the ride, that's about it.
Post by Rifleman
to see which side was winning, then when they got whupped by the japs in
their own back yard they decided they should join in on our side,
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Rifleman
2005-11-02 22:04:09 UTC
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Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the war
in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent the US,
Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in support of
nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs wrong??

BTW Check on the Jungle warfare scene, youll find the Brit troops fought on
where your guys ran.

Then when we move forward while we won in Malaya, Borneo, and Burma after
WW2 you guys lost in Vietnam and Somalia, and if the Brits did not rescue
you in korea you would have lost that as well.
stephenj
2005-11-02 22:25:06 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the war
in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent the US,
Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in support of
nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel
was provided by the USA.

If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
John Cartmell
2005-11-02 22:46:14 UTC
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Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Instead they were stolen by the USA?
--
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William Black
2005-11-01 22:58:27 UTC
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Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from Japanese
expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for peace rather than
fight. A great mistake.

The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.

What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Jay Furr
2005-11-02 23:06:46 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from
Japanese expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for
peace rather than fight. A great mistake.
The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.
What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
Pubic hair in all centerfolds and pin-ups. It was stupid making the
Americn soldier wait until 1971.
--
"I wish people who had trouble communicating would just shut up."
-- Tom Lehrer

http://www.livejournal.com/users/jayfurr/
stephenj
2005-11-03 02:17:52 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from Japanese
expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for peace rather than
fight. A great mistake.
The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.
What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
no alternative. my point was just about who did most of the work over there.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
William Black
2005-11-02 09:29:58 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from Japanese
expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for peace rather than
fight. A great mistake.
The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.
What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
no alternative. my point was just about who did most of the work over there.
You need to do some reading.

The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.

It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE Asia.

It had few tanks and heavy guns, and what it did have tended to be old.

The US component was mainly aircraft and their crews.
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
stephenj
2005-11-03 14:16:16 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from Japanese
expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for peace rather
than
Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
fight. A great mistake.
The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.
What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
no alternative. my point was just about who did most of the work over
there.
You need to do some reading.
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE Asia.
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Rifleman
2005-11-03 15:04:21 UTC
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Post by stephenj
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
Oh Yes while sthe soviets and chinese fought from Siberia to Manchuria and
the Commonwelath fought from India to Singapore the yanks did the main
fighting for a few pieces of coral .Yeah the yanks captured lots and lots
of atols and little islands, where as the commonwealth only captured the
large land masses, how silly of us to forget that the main fighting for the
most land was done on tiny little pacific lumps of coral, and the fighting
all the way from india, burman, thialand, singapore manchuria etc was of no
importance .................................Sheesh you can tell that only
the Eroll Flyn versions of history made it to the american schools
stephenj
2005-11-03 18:47:53 UTC
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Post by stephenj
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
Oh Yes while sthe soviets and chinese fought from Siberia to Manchuria and
the Commonwelath fought from India to Singapore the yanks did the main
fighting for a few pieces of coral .Yeah the yanks captured lots and lots
of atols and little islands, where as the commonwealth only captured the
large land masses, how silly of us to forget that the main fighting for the
most land was done on tiny little pacific lumps of coral, and the fighting
all the way from india, burman, thialand, singapore manchuria etc was of no
importance .................................Sheesh you can tell that only
the Eroll Flyn versions of history made it to the american schools
ask anyone in japan who they lost the war too and 99/100 will say "the
USA", not "britain", not "mao and chaing", not even "the allies". i
wonder why ... ?
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:21:15 UTC
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Post by stephenj
ask anyone in japan who they lost the war too and 99/100 will say "the
USA", not "britain", not "mao and chaing", not even "the allies". i wonder
why ... ?
Perobably because you dropped two huge atomic bombs from a great hieght
onto millions of civilians, in a typical american manouvre. While the
commonwealth fought the japs all the way back you lot balked at the thought
of up close and personal combat, just like you did in Vietnam and Somalia,
Stick to killing civilians and allies from the air, your an inept menace on
the ground.
John Cartmell
2005-11-03 20:32:47 UTC
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Post by stephenj
ask anyone in japan who they lost the war too and 99/100 will say "the
USA", not "britain", not "mao and chaing", not even "the allies". i
wonder why ... ?
The USA have always had people great at telling lies. That's also why your
crap computer systems outsell everything else.
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
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William Black
2005-11-02 17:23:26 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE Asia.
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
You really do need to do some reading don't you.
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
stephenj
2005-11-03 18:48:43 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE
Asia.
Post by stephenj
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
You really do need to do some reading don't you.
not from delusional historical revisionists ...
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Vaughan Sanders
2005-11-03 19:24:13 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE
Asia.
Post by stephenj
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
You really do need to do some reading don't you.
--
William Black
Yep, I wonder why the Japs put their largest army into Burma?

Jamie
leinbacker
2005-11-03 19:15:39 UTC
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Post by Vaughan Sanders
Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE
Asia.
Post by stephenj
dude, anyone who doubts that the USA did the great majority of the
fighting in the pacific is off his rocker. a big backwards indian army
scrounging around in SE Asia was peripheral to the effort at best,
irrelevnt at worst.
You really do need to do some reading don't you.
--
William Black
Yep, I wonder why the Japs put their largest army into Burma?
"The victories of these Americans (A.V.G.) over the rice paddies of
Burma are comparable in character, if not in scope, with those won by
the R.A.F. over the hop fields of Kent in the Battle of Britain." --
Winston Churchhill
leinbacker
2005-11-03 15:49:54 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
Well the Japanese attacked the US in order to divert them from Japanese
expansion in SE Asia, thinking that the US would sue for peace rather
than
Post by stephenj
Post by William Black
fight. A great mistake.
The British colonies were attacked at about the same time as the USA.
What do you suggest as an alternate strategy for the USA?
no alternative. my point was just about who did most of the work over
there.
You need to do some reading.
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
How many troops in the 14th were actually born in Britain?
Post by stephenj
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE Asia.
It had few tanks and heavy guns, and what it did have tended to be old.
And the Japaneese they were fighting were equally equipted.
Post by stephenj
The US component was mainly aircraft and their crews.
Without which, the 14th would not have been able to take the war to
Japan. You see, Armies need supplies (food, ammo, medical support,
etc.). Without which, they are pretty useless.
William Black
2005-11-02 17:26:19 UTC
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Post by William Black
You need to do some reading.
The 14th Army was the largest Allied army in WWII.
How many troops in the 14th were actually born in Britain?
Not sure.

What's more I don't really care.

I do know that just about every Allied country had soldiers fighting in it.

Is this a problem for you?
Post by leinbacker
Post by William Black
It defeated the Japanese in India, Burma, most of Indo China and SE Asia.
It had few tanks and heavy guns, and what it did have tended to be old.
And the Japaneese they were fighting were equally equipted.
Japanese tanks were never any good.
Post by leinbacker
Post by William Black
The US component was mainly aircraft and their crews.
Without which, the 14th would not have been able to take the war to
Japan. You see, Armies need supplies (food, ammo, medical support,
etc.). Without which, they are pretty useless.
Of course.

That's the point.
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Mens sana
2005-11-02 23:11:14 UTC
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Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
And if the Americans kept their word on colonies they wouldn't have had the
shite kicked out of them in Viet Nam.

Mens sana.
leinbacker
2005-11-03 18:08:38 UTC
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Post by Mens sana
Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
And if the Americans kept their word on colonies they wouldn't have had the
shite kicked out of them in Viet Nam.
Mens sana.
What military engagement did the U.S. lose in Vietnam?
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:22:19 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
What military engagement did the U.S. lose in Vietnam?
The Whole damn thing, I've still got the video of you lot running away and
abandoning the people you promised to stand alongside , why because you were
afraid of a full scale mass war like the one you nearly lost in Korea if the
Brits had not rescued you.
stephenj
2005-11-03 18:49:59 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all the
colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is moronic.
And
thanks!
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Rifleman
2005-11-03 13:13:06 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong. The US has never won a major conflict on its own.
stephenj
2005-11-03 14:17:01 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong.
only if you think i meant "all by ourselves" literally, as in the allied
forces in the pacific were 100% american. But you aren't that stupid,
are you?
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
Rifleman
2005-11-03 15:07:10 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong.
only if you think i meant "all by ourselves" literally, as in the allied
forces in the pacific were 100% american. But you aren't that stupid, are
you?
Oh look whose trying do do a typical yank 180 degree turn, ( Ala vietnam and
somalia) BTW When you mentioned
"we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did" You must
have forgotten Mc Arthurs route from the Phillipines a much bigger
humilation, Oh and we did not get whupped on home ground like you ladies did
at Pearl.
Ike
2005-11-03 15:26:41 UTC
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Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong.
only if you think i meant "all by ourselves" literally, as in the allied
forces in the pacific were 100% american. But you aren't that stupid, are
you?
Oh look whose trying do do a typical yank 180 degree turn, ( Ala vietnam and
somalia) BTW When you mentioned
"we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did" You must
have forgotten Mc Arthurs route from the Phillipines a much bigger
humilation, Oh and we did not get whupped on home ground like you ladies did
at Pearl.
"Speak for England!!"
stephenj
2005-11-03 18:50:34 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong.
only if you think i meant "all by ourselves" literally, as in the allied
forces in the pacific were 100% american. But you aren't that stupid, are
you?
Oh look whose trying do do a typical yank 180 degree turn
ok, my mistake - you are that stupid.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
a.spencer3
2005-11-03 17:57:33 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by Rifleman
Post by stephenj
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
Really, Thats very odd because on your very own TV history channel the
war in the pacific make a huge pint of noting the carriers Britain lent
the US, Plus the heavy, medium and light cruisers the Australians used in
support of nearly every US landing. Or are your own history programs
wrong??
"in support of". In other words, the vast majority of men and materiel was
provided by the USA.
Wrong Dickwad, YOU SAID we licked them all by ourselves. I proved you
wrong.
only if you think i meant "all by ourselves" literally, as in the allied
forces in the pacific were 100% american. But you aren't that stupid,
are you?
EXCUSE ME!

Surreyman
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-03 17:40:38 UTC
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Post by stephenj
If it wasn't for the USA, britain would have permanently lost all
the colonies japan took from her in 1941-1942. Denying that is
moronic.
Interestingly enough, thanks to US policy we have permanently lost
all the colonies Japan took from us in 1941-42. The total amount of
equipment supplied (both bought and lend lease by the US, is estimated
to have been about a third of what the UK and Empire used during WW2,
this includes stuff we passed onto the USSR. However the survival of
Britain was not a result of US aid, most supplies arrived in 1942 or
later.

Certainly we would not have managed Overlord on our own, but there is
no reason to believe that the UK would not have survived. Now if you
remove the USSR from the picture the situation is different.

Ken Young
Rifleman
2005-11-02 22:04:53 UTC
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"This typifies US military skills in the Pacific

During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
leinbacker
2005-11-03 15:40:25 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
"This typifies US military skills in the Pacific
During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
At least it wasn't a bridge too far.
Rifleman
2005-11-03 17:08:58 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Post by Rifleman
"This typifies US military skills in the Pacific
During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
At least it wasn't a bridge too far.
Or Kasserine Pass, Or Normandy Beach, Or Aredenne Forest, Or Pusan
Peninsula, Or Vietnamese jungle or Somali beach.
i***@blueyonder.co.uk
2005-11-03 01:15:09 UTC
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Burma,India,China theatre?
holiman@westUSgulf
2005-11-03 14:19:31 UTC
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My question too. Didn't the 14th Army take Java
from the Japs ? I know that the cruiser USS Houston
had to be abandoned off Sunda Strait by a crew
that was using life jackets "made in Japan." These
jackets were stuffed with cotton, not kapok. Cotton
sucks in water and makes you sink.

If I remember correctly, the Japs struck Darwin and
Singapore at the same universal time as the Pearl Harbor
strike. Can Al Qaeda hit 3 world ports simultaneously ?
They don't compare to the Japanese
who could have stretched the war into 1946, had they
targeted the Panama Canal.

David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
m***@students.mcg.edu
2005-11-03 15:17:01 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
ROFL! The US and USSR did all the heavy-lifting in WW2. Brits and Franks
were along for the ride, that's about it.
There are probably a few RAF pilots who disagree with you on
this.............you might have heard of them.
leinbacker
2005-11-03 15:38:47 UTC
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Post by m***@students.mcg.edu
Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
ROFL! The US and USSR did all the heavy-lifting in WW2. Brits and Franks
were along for the ride, that's about it.
There are probably a few RAF pilots who disagree with you on
this.............you might have heard of them.
Hard to find them, they would only come out at night.
Spiv
2005-11-03 19:18:09 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Post by m***@students.mcg.edu
Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
ROFL! The US and USSR did all the heavy-lifting in WW2. Brits and Franks
were along for the ride, that's about it.
There are probably a few RAF pilots who disagree with you on
this.............you might have heard of them.
Hard to find them, they would only come out at night.
They were not stupid enough to come out by day.
Rifleman
2005-11-03 20:14:44 UTC
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Post by Spiv
Post by leinbacker
Hard to find them, they would only come out at night.
They were not stupid enough to come out by day.
The modern day RAF get shot down more often than not by the inept and
incompetant yanks than anyone else.
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:18:07 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by Rifleman
Post by Harry
Sometimes ones mind gets clouded when they are reduced to depending on
I suggest you go andget some more accurate reference books, The US played a
part in WW2 and that is it, Britain, Canada, Australia, India, South Africa
and hundrerds of other nations did the real work while the US sat and waited
ROFL! The US and USSR did all the heavy-lifting in WW2. Brits and Franks
were along for the ride, that's about it.
Post by Rifleman
to see which side was winning, then when they got whupped by the japs in
their own back yard they decided they should join in on our side,
LOL - we didn't get whipped by the japs nearly as bad as you brits did.
and we licked them all by ourselves.
The British killed a quarter of a million Japanese troops in South East
Asia. In 1945 the British supplied the Pacific carrier fleet - which had
armoured decks and kamikazes bounced off. The British supplied a lot of
merchantmen to aid the US fleet. Every time an island was taken a large
armada of merchantmen were over the horizon packed with concrete and every
other item an army needs.

In the invasion of Japan proper, British and Commonwealth forces were to
take the main Island. They were building up forces then the Japs
surrendered. The Soviets swept into Manchuria wiping out the Japs in a
matters days.
William Black
2005-11-02 18:32:16 UTC
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Post by Spiv
In the invasion of Japan proper, British and Commonwealth forces were to
take the main Island. They were building up forces then the Japs
surrendered.
Nope.

They were training for an amphibious assault on Malaya.

Most of them were still in Burma, and it's a hell of a way to Japan if you
haven't got any mainland bases in-between
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-02 18:29:44 UTC
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Post by Harry
Not only did we enter the war in December, 1941 - but we
were sending you ships and planes - etc - for years before that.
Nope the US was selling planes and ships, not giving them away.
Britain was not at war with Japan until after December the 7th 1941.
Post by Harry
- in the past the US has been gracious to GB, France, Japan,
Russia, Italy - and many other countries that took up the sword
against us - both in hot and cold wars.
I suppose invading Canada, carrying out a quasi-war with France,
dropping atomic bombs on Japan, invading Russia, along with the UK and
Japan, and failing to capture Rome after the Anzio landing is your
definition of gracious.

To get back to WW2, we saved ourselves in 1940, the prospect of
defeat was removed when Hitler invaded Russia, and the entry of the
USA assured eventual complete victory rather than a negotiated peace.
Post by Harry
If the US would not have gone after the Hitler - Werner Von Braun
would have been firing heat seeking rockets up the butts of
individual Brits that were so full of hot air
Nope, Von Braun would have been working for Stalin, and by the way
the various German designers never got heat seeking to work.


Ken Young
William Black
2005-11-01 21:02:36 UTC
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Post by k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by Harry
Not only did we enter the war in December, 1941 - but we
were sending you ships and planes - etc - for years before that.
Nope the US was selling planes and ships, not giving them away.
Britain was not at war with Japan until after December the 7th 1941.
I though they attacked the British Far Eastern colonies on December 6th...
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
John Cartmell
2005-11-02 20:41:24 UTC
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Post by Harry
When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you.
Please get your facts right. All of you.
The USA 'entered the war' because they had no choice. Japan declared war on
the USA. Then Germany declared war on the USA. Then the USA decided they had
better do something about it. They did *not* enter the war the save the Brits
- they were entered and had to save themselves. And the only way they could
fight the Japanese and the Germans was to support the Brits who, at that
point, were fighting with nothing - something the USA has *never* done. Any
USAian who says 'we saved your ass' is a lying braggart.

The UK wouldn't have survived alone. We needed the USA and, although we
managed to hold off despite overwhelming odds, we would have been starved out
without the support of the USA (and the Empire). Anyone who complains about
the USAians being loud-mouthed braggarts is forgetting that most of them
weren't. And the ones that are now don't know what they are talking about.
They may be loud but they are certainly not typical.
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
stephenj
2005-11-03 02:20:23 UTC
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Post by John Cartmell
Post by Harry
When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you.
Please get your facts right. All of you.
The USA 'entered the war' because they had no choice.
I never denied that. Both G and J declared war on us first (J via attack).
Post by John Cartmell
Any
USAian who says 'we saved your ass' is a lying braggart.
Absurd. Don't confuse our intentions - which were self interested - with
the results, which had the unintended consequence of saving british ass.
Post by John Cartmell
The UK wouldn't have survived alone. We needed the USA
well there you go. i guess we aren't lying braggarts.
--
"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
Hussein must be forced to admit
UN weapons inspectors, 1998
William Black
2005-11-02 09:31:06 UTC
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Post by stephenj
Post by John Cartmell
The UK wouldn't have survived alone. We needed the USA
well there you go. i guess we aren't lying braggarts.
Actually we needed the US as a source of equipment.

But by the time the money ran out the danger of invasion had passed.
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Spiv
2005-11-03 17:32:05 UTC
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Post by Harry
When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you.
The Yanks saved the world again.

The civil war in British America; the authorities in London thought not
worth pursuing as they made three times as much from Jamaica alone than the
whole 13 colonies. If they wanted to they would have won - just like the US
in Viet Nam.

The 1812 war, the British WON. The US declared war on Britain and Britain
took the war right into the US, and even into the White House - the
Shropshire Light Infantry burnt the place down after having dinner there.
The 5th line of the US national anthem, "and the rockets' red glare, the
bombs bursting in air", describes the British rocket regiments attacking
Fort McHenry. The British pulled out when they achieved their aim - stopped
the US from infiltrating and making claims on Canada. The Brits didn't want
the USA, if they did they could have just taken it.

In December 1941 the Japanese decimates the US Pacific fleet and Germany
declares war on the US. I don't see the US running to help anyone there
except themselves. In May 1940 the Germans had overrun France and British
forces evacuating to Britain. No US forces came to aid, none to be seen.

In Dec 1941 the Germans had been countered at Moscow with 30,000 prisoners
taken. The German advance had stopped and they were going nowhere fast on
the eastern front. They had been stopped at the Battle of Britain in the
west. The Germans were going nowhere and were on the defensive, just as the
US came in.

After Pearl Harbor, large parts of the US Atlantic fleet went around to the
Pacific as a Japanese second attack was expected, and maybe one on the USA
proper, the British fleet moved over and protected the US eastern seaboard.

We saved your necks.
leinbacker
2005-11-03 18:04:10 UTC
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Post by Spiv
Post by Harry
When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you.
The Yanks saved the world again.
The civil war in British America; the authorities in London thought not
worth pursuing as they made three times as much from Jamaica alone than the
whole 13 colonies. If they wanted to they would have won - just like the US
in Viet Nam.
Obviously the authorities in London were not long term financial
wizzards.
Post by Spiv
The 1812 war, the British WON. The US declared war on Britain and Britain
took the war right into the US, and even into the White House - the
Shropshire Light Infantry burnt the place down after having dinner there.
The 5th line of the US national anthem, "and the rockets' red glare, the
bombs bursting in air", describes the British rocket regiments attacking
Fort McHenry. The British pulled out when they achieved their aim - stopped
the US from infiltrating and making claims on Canada. The Brits didn't want
the USA, if they did they could have just taken it.
Bullshit, The British ran thru the briars and they ran thru the
brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They
ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi
to the Gulf of Mexico.

Also, as I recall, the USS Constitution was undefeated in that war, it
got to the point where the Brits would only attack it with a 2-1
advantage (and they still lost).

Not long after that war, Polk would scare the defeated Brits out of
Oregon.
Post by Spiv
In December 1941 the Japanese decimates the US Pacific fleet and Germany
declares war on the US. I don't see the US running to help anyone there
except themselves. In May 1940 the Germans had overrun France and British
forces evacuating to Britain. No US forces came to aid, none to be seen.
Why should we fight your wars? As far as running to help Europe, go
look at Kosovo, ther e is a sorry European effort. The U.S. had zero,
nill, nada, national interest.

Also, if the Pacific fleet was decimated (your word), what happened
when the U.S. Pacific fleet met the Japanese fleet a 7 months later?
Post by Spiv
In Dec 1941 the Germans had been countered at Moscow with 30,000 prisoners
taken. The German advance had stopped and they were going nowhere fast on
the eastern front. They had been stopped at the Battle of Britain in the
west. The Germans were going nowhere and were on the defensive, just as the
US came in.
The only reason they were stopped was because of U.S. supplies keeping
the British war effort alive (lend-lease), Heck, we even gave you 50
warships out of the kindness of our hearts.

The Germans simply stopped themselves when they switched tactics
(targeting cities over military facilities).
Post by Spiv
After Pearl Harbor, large parts of the US Atlantic fleet went around to the
Pacific as a Japanese second attack was expected, and maybe one on the USA
proper, the British fleet moved over and protected the US eastern seaboard.
We saved your necks.
Saved us from what, Stuka dive bombers attacking Cleveland? German's
air and naval forces posed no threat to the east coast.
William Black
2005-11-02 18:28:53 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Bullshit, The British ran thru the briars and they ran thru the
brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They
ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi
to the Gulf of Mexico.
Wasn't that particular battle fought after the peace treaty had been signed?

Don't you just love people who think broadsheet ballads are history...
--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
leinbacker
2005-11-03 19:18:22 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by leinbacker
Bullshit, The British ran thru the briars and they ran thru the
brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They
ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi
to the Gulf of Mexico.
Wasn't that particular battle fought after the peace treaty had been signed?
the Brits violated the peace treaty and got their arses handed to them.
Spiv
2005-11-03 19:27:18 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
Post by Harry
When US entered the war - you guys didn't even have an ass to get
handed to you.
The Yanks saved the world again.
The civil war in British America; the authorities in London thought not
worth pursuing as they made three times as much from Jamaica alone than the
whole 13 colonies. If they wanted to they would have won - just like the US
in Viet Nam.
Obviously the authorities in London were not long term financial
wizzards.
Post by Spiv
The 1812 war, the British WON. The US declared war on Britain and Britain
took the war right into the US, and even into the White House - the
Shropshire Light Infantry burnt the place down after having dinner there.
The 5th line of the US national anthem, "and the rockets' red glare, the
bombs bursting in air", describes the British rocket regiments attacking
Fort McHenry. The British pulled out when they achieved their aim - stopped
the US from infiltrating and making claims on Canada. The Brits didn't want
the USA, if they did they could have just taken it.
Bullshit, The British ran thru the briars and they ran thru the
brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They
ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi
to the Gulf of Mexico.
..and right into the White House ans burnt the place down.
Post by leinbacker
Also, as I recall, the USS Constitution was undefeated in that war, it
got to the point where the Brits would only attack it with a 2-1
advantage (and they still lost).
Not long after that war, Polk would scare the defeated Brits out of
Oregon.
Post by Spiv
In December 1941 the Japanese decimates the US Pacific fleet and Germany
declares war on the US. I don't see the US running to help anyone there
except themselves. In May 1940 the Germans had overrun France and British
forces evacuating to Britain. No US forces came to aid, none to be seen.
Why should we fight your wars?
You saved our lives for the hell of it we keep hearing.
Post by leinbacker
As far as running to help Europe, go
look at Kosovo, ther e is a sorry European effort. The U.S. had zero,
nill, nada, national interest.
..and that has what to do with WW2?
Post by leinbacker
Also, if the Pacific fleet was decimated (your word), what happened
when the U.S. Pacific fleet met the Japanese fleet a 7 months later?
It was re-inforced by the Atlantic fleet. The British took the place of
that.
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
In Dec 1941 the Germans had been countered at Moscow with 30,000 prisoners
taken. The German advance had stopped and they were going nowhere fast on
the eastern front. They had been stopped at the Battle of Britain in the
west. The Germans were going nowhere and were on the defensive, just as the
US came in.
The only reason they were stopped was because of U.S. supplies keeping
the British war effort alive (lend-lease),
Nor so. Most came in 1942. Don't be silly.
Post by leinbacker
Heck, we even gave you 50
warships out of the kindness of our hearts.
No you wanted territory for them. The US gave nothing for nothing. All was
paid back, with interest.
Post by leinbacker
The Germans simply stopped themselves when they switched tactics
(targeting cities over military facilities).
Not so. The German were taking a hammering. German pilots shot down were
taken prisoner. An RAF pilot would bailed out flew again.
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
After Pearl Harbor, large parts of the US Atlantic fleet went around to the
Pacific as a Japanese second attack was expected, and maybe one on the USA
proper, the British fleet moved over and protected the US eastern seaboard.
We saved your necks.
Saved us from what, Stuka dive bombers attacking Cleveland? German's
air and naval forces posed no threat to the east coast.
The Germans had designed a long range V2 to attack the USA and U boats to
launch V1s. German U boats sunk US ships in US waters, right into
estuaries.

Do some reading please.
Rifleman
2005-11-03 20:17:06 UTC
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Post by Spiv
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
After Pearl Harbor, large parts of the US Atlantic fleet went around to
the
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
Pacific as a Japanese second attack was expected, and maybe one on the
USA
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
proper, the British fleet moved over and protected the US eastern
seaboard.
Post by leinbacker
Post by Spiv
We saved your necks.
Saved us from what, Stuka dive bombers attacking Cleveland? German's
air and naval forces posed no threat to the east coast.
The Germans had designed a long range V2 to attack the USA and U boats to
launch V1s. German U boats sunk US ships in US waters, right into
estuaries.
The Yank appears never to have heard about the second " Happy time" so
called by the U boat Kapitans when they had a field day of the US east
coast until we brits gave them help in the form of Radar and Convoy skills.
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:26:01 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Bullshit, The British ran thru the briars and they ran thru the
brambles and they ran thru the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They
ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi
to the Gulf of Mexico.
Also, as I recall, the USS Constitution was undefeated in that war, it
got to the point where the Brits would only attack it with a 2-1
advantage (and they still lost).
You quote from a skiffle band in an effort to disprove fact ??????>
Post by leinbacker
Why should we fight your wars? As far as running to help Europe, go
look at Kosovo, ther e is a sorry European effort. The U.S. had zero,
nill, nada, national interest.
Damn right, When the Brit forces asked for the PROMISED US Army support from
its apache helicopters whose job it was to provide close air support to the
brit ground troops the YANK REFUSED TO FLY. Bad weather they cried, we can
send our choppers in to help the ambushed brits its raining.
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-03 17:40:40 UTC
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Post by John Cartmell
The UK wouldn't have survived alone. We needed the USA and,
although we managed to hold off despite overwhelming odds, we would
have been starved out without the support of the USA (and the
Empire)
That is doubtful, by 1942, before the arrival of large numbers of US
ships we were winning the convoy war. The rise in shipping sunk by the
Germans in early 1942 was on the US seaboard. Off course without the
USSR Germany would have eventually been able to invade. The US made it
possible to win the war and probably prevented Stalin from taking all
of Europe.

Ken Young
Spiv
2005-11-03 19:15:40 UTC
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Post by k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by John Cartmell
The UK wouldn't have survived alone. We needed the USA and,
although we managed to hold off despite overwhelming odds, we would
have been starved out without the support of the USA (and the
Empire)
That is doubtful, by 1942, before the arrival of large numbers of US
ships we were winning the convoy war. The rise in shipping sunk by the
Germans in early 1942 was on the US seaboard. Off course without the
USSR Germany would have eventually been able to invade.
Invade what?
i***@blueyonder.co.uk
2005-11-03 01:13:35 UTC
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this is an old topic,usually discussed in cliches.
The British empire was felt by most people at the time to be part of
Britain,in spirit if not legally,so it would only be an uninformed
person who would be surprised that the empire and commonwealth gathered
round,who were they going to trade with if Britain fell,leaving aside
feelings of kinship.
The forces of all the empire nations were welcome but the Canadians and
the Australians were said to be the best troops.
I do not recall Russia ever fighting the United States,neither has
Italy,the last time Britain fought America was in the war of 1812,which
you call a draw.
You might have heard of Roosevelt,he was your president for during most
of world war 11,he said that lending your neighbour a hose when his
house caught fire was not being generous but was being sensible.
Every German killed or wounded by British,British Empire and other
allied forces prior to 7 December 1941 was one less German that the
Americans and the Russians(from June 1941)had to worry about.
If the Battle Of Britain had been lost what other battles would there
have been ?
Between September 1939 and June 1941 who was fighting the Germans,the
British and their allies.

Of course the American contribution to final victory in world war 11
was crucial.
The role of US forces along with the supply of US supplies of all kinds
ensured allied victory in world war 11.
But it was an allied victory and the role of the USSR,USA and Britain
and her empire were all important

A Scotsman born 50 miles from where I sit now went to the USA, and
among other things invented the free public library.
Can you name him?
I love Americans but sometimes they worry me,this constant need to
shout about how wonderful their country is.
Can I respectfully suggest that you read a few books and stop watching
DVDs of THE WINDS OF WAR or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.
British army bases are named after victories,American Army bases are
named after people,why do I think this is important?
Harry
2005-11-03 03:48:05 UTC
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"Another Robber Baron donated over 2500 libraries worldwide, he helped
establish the famous concert hall in New York, and he helped finance
several colleges in the US. Can you guess who he is? Yes! Andrew
Carnagie. Now how about this person: In the early 1900s, in order to
maintain control of the steel industry, he bought out rival plants, he
ran a self running holding company which bough stock in itself in order
to buy control of the industry, and he also hired children (as young as
9 years old) to work twelve hours a day under harsh, dangerous
conditions and paid them the lowest wages possible. Can you guess who he
is now? As a matter of fact it is our American Hero Andrew Carnagie!
Carnagie did, for a fact, hire children because they were cheaper; yet
these same children were sometimes required to run swing shifts which
meant occasional 24 hour work days. It all too much of a commonality
that these robber barons all share some of the same traits:
ruthlessness, mistreatment of their workers, greed for money and power,
and a Machiavelian way of doing business. With these traits in mind, who
can consider these men heroes? It's the government and the big
businesses which want us to think that way. It can only be them who
portray these wicked as saints. But I am educated, and through research
and learning, I am thoroughly convinced that the people who our America
looks up to and admires, are a bunch of villains."
Rifleman
2005-11-02 17:13:39 UTC
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Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Jon Enslin
2005-11-02 17:23:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
This from a country that couldn't beat a bald, pacifist.

Jon
i***@blueyonder.co.uk
2005-11-03 01:30:48 UTC
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oh you mean Gandhi,we did not want to beat him,we were not
fascists,unlike France, Belgium and Portugal the majority of British
public opinion did not want to fight pointless colonial wars,so we
left.
Can you remind me how many millions of British troops it required to
rule India ?
Edward M. Kennedy
2005-11-02 17:28:13 UTC
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Post by Edward M. Kennedy
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it had started and the tide had already
turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of us, The US has never one one major conflict
on its own, nor will it ever, from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat a few
Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Give my regards to Chamberlain's descendents. I'm sure
they are proud.

--Tedward
i***@blueyonder.co.uk
2005-11-03 01:23:26 UTC
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what about Lindberg and Father Coughlin?
Do you think that all the Spitfires and Hurricanes used in the Battle
Of Britain were made after September 1939 ?,what about
radar,conscription,the shadow factory system?
Appeasement was public policy but behind the scenes Britain and France
were preparing for war,in France's case World War 1.
Too many cliches about this topic,not enough research,what about
America First ?,German-American Bund?
Have you ever seen the photo of the full Madison Square garden with all
these nazi scum?
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:24:38 UTC
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Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years
after it had started and the tide had already
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
on its own, nor will it ever, from 1776 onwards its always been the
same, Shit the US could not even beat a few
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Give my regards to Chamberlain's descendents. I'm sure
they are proud.
Chamberlain had the guts to declare war. A war that we could have just
stayed away from. Germany were no direct threat to the British whatsoever.
Pauli G
2005-11-02 18:44:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.

Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
spizz
2005-11-02 19:34:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
spizz
2005-11-02 19:36:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
Oh shut up you tart. What about the Battle of Britain? Fought long before
your cannon fodder even knew there was a war on.

Spizz
Pauli G
2005-11-02 19:50:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by spizz
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
Oh shut up you tart. What about the Battle of Britain? Fought long before
your cannon fodder even knew there was a war on.
Your toast wasn't saved by the RAF, but rather by a shift of the
Luftwaffe's attention away from RAF bases in order to bomb the holy
hell out of London. The RAF fighter bases were almost wiped off the
face of God's Green Earth, saved only by Hitler's looney decision
making.
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-03 17:40:43 UTC
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Post by Pauli G
The RAF fighter bases were almost wiped off the
face of God's Green Earth, saved only by Hitler's looney decision
making.
Really, I wish you would look up some facts first. The only RAF bases
attacked were on the coast, the whole damn country was full of them.

Ken Young
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:49:47 UTC
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Post by Pauli G
Post by spizz
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two
years
Post by Pauli G
Post by spizz
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not
even
Post by Pauli G
Post by spizz
Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
Oh shut up you tart. What about the Battle of Britain? Fought long before
your cannon fodder even knew there was a war on.
Your toast wasn't saved by the RAF, but rather by a shift of the
Luftwaffe's attention away from RAF bases in order to bomb the holy
hell out of London. The RAF fighter bases were almost wiped off the
face of God's Green Earth, saved only by Hitler's looney decision
making.
Not so. Read John Keegan.
Edward M. Kennedy
2005-11-02 20:08:32 UTC
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Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign. You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves. Other than
your general lack of stones, this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your bombers much beyond the
beaches of France...guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
Oh shut up you tart. What about the Battle of Britain? Fought long before your cannon fodder even knew there was a war
on.
You're lucky Hitler was a petulant little twit,
you cheeky bum looker.

--Tedward
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:15:05 UTC
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Post by Pauli G
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster. I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats? Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs. I won't even mention
your submarine force, since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed off the entire Japanese
empire.
Lets clarify a few points shall we, The US captured a few atolls and Islands
of limited valuem, the commonwealth, russians and chinese fought from India
right across the asian subcontinant. The Commonwealth faced far more
Japanese troops than the yanks did, Re your equipment, How was your B29s
enjoying British Radar, Steel Catapults, Arrester gear ? while you guys were
making prop job we were on building war winning jets.
Post by Pauli G
Of course, you rode the American magic carpet onto the beaches of
France too, and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign.
Really, lets see, who got off the beaches and inland first???? Yanks ???
Naa they were on the beaches for days, but the Brits and canadians were
inland on day one taking the fight to the germans.

Then you fucked up the Ardennes, like you did in Kasserine, Just face facts
your nation is inept at best.
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:42:13 UTC
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Post by Pauli G
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after
it had started and the tide had already turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
--Tedward
Yeah keep watching Hollwood mate and leave the real world to the rest of
us, The US has never one one major conflict on its own, nor will it ever,
from 1776 onwards its always been the same, Shit the US could not even beat
a few Vietnamese peasants, Somali bandits or Iranian dissidents.
Ah yes, the empire helped OH SO MUCH in defeating the Japanese. The
heavy lifting was done by the US Marines in the island hopping campaign
and the US Navy carrier force, and the coup de grace was applied by
American B-29s... you remember the B-29, aka the Washington - you brits
copied the design since you couldn't figure out how to build a
strategic bomber larger than the Lancaster.
The Soviets copied the B-29. The British at the time were developing Jet
bombers, the next generation, the Canberra. It was so advanced at the time,
it flew so high and fast, it could fly over the Soviet union unmolested
after WW2. The US made it under licence and called a Martin B- something.
They used it in Viet Nam.
Post by Pauli G
I loved the British
carrier force...what's that, five boats?
6 carriers with armoured decks and support ships.
Post by Pauli G
Other than a few Sea
Hurricanes and spits, most of the aircraft
flying off of those boats
were US made...Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs.
The Corsair was regarded as a failure and the US would not use it,. The
British perfected the design and a landing technique which the US then
adopted.
Post by Pauli G
I won't even mention your submarine force,
since we all know the brits had zero impact on
blockading Japan while the US sub fleet sealed
off the entire Japanese empire.
The British concentrated on the Atlantic and Med, the US the Pacific.
Post by Pauli G
Of course, you rode the American magic
carpet onto the beaches of
France too,
What carpet might that be? The US performance in Normandy was not
particularly shining. The Omaha beach fiasco was because the US would adopt
the Hobart funnies. The only one they did they realise too far out and they
sunk. The Brits sent in special dedicated armour and secured the beaches
quite quickly.
Post by Pauli G
and your precious Monty spent umpteen days dicking around
trying to get all his ducks in a row instead of taking the offensive
throughout the European campaign.
You need to read more.
Post by Pauli G
You folks were such a bunch of
scared twats that you couldn't even mount
a daylight bomber offensive,
but rather snuck around at night like a band of thieves.
The US daylight losses were phenomenal. The British abandoned them.
Post by Pauli G
Other than your general lack of stones,
this was also caused by the fact that you
had no long range fighters to escort your
bombers much beyond the beaches of France.
The British developed dedicated bomber radar. The long range fighter was
the Mustang (P-51 in the US). Designed by the Brits for the Brits, and made
by a US company for the Brits. It even had a RR engine. The Mustang was a
British plane made in the USA as the UK air industry was overstreched. The
US government tested it after the first deliveries to the RAF.
Post by Pauli G
..guess you couldn't wind the rubber band on the
spitfire tight enough. While you boys were dicking around over the
Channel, the real fighter pilots were screaming in at tree-top level
over Berlin.
You need to read more.
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:00:32 UTC
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Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years
after it had started and the tide had already
Post by Edward M. Kennedy
Post by Rifleman
turned.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
The thought of Japan/Germany losing without US help
is completely ludicrous. You were getting your ass
handed to you.
The industrial output of the UK was the equiv of Germany. The industrial
output of the Soviets was near greater than both - the Soviets moved 1000s
of factories the other side of the Urals out of the German hands. It would
be a matter of time before the Germans were ground down as they were
stretched economically. Hitler said that he would not have attacked the
Soviets if he knew the level of Soviet tank production, especially the T34.
The US accelerated the final outcome. Japan was a largely an agricultural
society and would have gone the same way eventually.

The USA's greatest achievement was its industrial output. The Soviets
marched across Europe using US boots and trucks - the USAs biggest
contribution to the Eastern front. The UK also supplied the Soviets and
supplied the convoys to take the materials of the UK and the USA.

Stalin said: The USSR provided the men and blood, the UK the time, the USA
the money.

Read the Second World War by John Keegan.
Tom Enright
2005-11-02 16:33:21 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until
two years after it had started and the tide had already
turned.
If you mean by "tide had already turned" that the Axis
was at it strongest position of the war and had the most
conquered terrority it would have, you are correct.

The Chinese will tell you that the US didn't enter the war
until 8 years after it started, but that means it took the
Brits 6 years (not including selling-out the Czechs) to
get involved and that doesn't mesh with your world-view.

-Tom Enright
Spiv
2005-11-03 18:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Enright
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until
two years after it had started and the tide had already
turned.
If you mean by "tide had already turned" that the Axis
was at it strongest position of the war and had the most
conquered terrority it would have, you are correct.
In Dec 1941 the Germans were quite weak and had extended their hand. The
Soviets countered at Moscow taking 30,000 prisoner. The Germans were on the
defensive from Dec 1941 onwards. They were going nowhere.
Post by Tom Enright
The Chinese will tell you that the US didn't enter the war
until 8 years after it started, but that means it took the
Brits 6 years (not including selling-out the Czechs) to
get involved and that doesn't mesh with your world-view.
The British didn't have to get involved at all. It wasn't the UKs war.
After Dunkirk Hitler wanted peace as he was an admirer of the British empire
and even talked of supplying German troops to aid the British in any Empire
problems. The Brits would have none of it.
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:29:25 UTC
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Post by Spiv
The British didn't have to get involved at all. It wasn't the UKs war.
After Dunkirk Hitler wanted peace as he was an admirer of the British empire
and even talked of supplying German troops to aid the British in any Empire
problems. The Brits would have none of it.
We didnt want Nazism, The Yanks right up to 41 enjoyed much support from
the American Bunde
Rifleman
2005-11-03 19:31:31 UTC
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The list below shows us the american skill at combat.
In GW1 the USAF attacked two British Warrior APCs in error killing and
injuring
up to 16 Brit troops.
In Afghanistan US forces attacked and killed a detachment of Canadian
troops in error who were training in a safe area.
In the Mediterranean the US mistook an Airbus full of pilgrims flying an
accepted flight path to Mecca for a Libyan fighter and shot it down.
In Iraq the US bombed a civilian air raid shelter killing over 300 women
and
kids.
In Yugoslavia the US attacked the Chinese embassy in error killing many
diplomats.
In Italy the USAF knocked down a ski lift killing many civilians.
In South America the US intelligence agencies told the Colombian Air force
that a plane passing through their airspace was a drug smuggler, so they
shot it down only to find out it was carrying Christian missionaries.
In Iraq The US is only second to the insurgents in killing innocent
journalists killing about 20 so far.
In Iraq the US killed the Italian secret service agent and wounded the
newly
freed Italian hostage as she was being transported to the airport.
In Iraq the US shot down a RAF Tornado GR4 plane flying in formation after
attacking Iraqi positions, they were squawking accurate IFF transponders,
flying along the accepted return flight path at the correct altitude and
time when shot down by a US patriot missile.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked a house with a fighter bomber in an effort
to kill one wanted person, but they missed and hit a school sited next door
killing many children.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked with fighter bombers a wedding party
killing most of the guests.
In Iraq the US attacked a convoy of cars and trucks killing many on board
only to find out they were allied locals responding to a summons by US
forces to attend a meeting.
In Iraq in an effort to capture or kill 200 insurgents the US laid siege to
the city of Falujah, in the battle that followed the city was almost
entirely destroyed and thousands of civilians killed in the air and
artillery bombardment, The bulk of the insurgents plus their leader escaped.
During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
Tom Enright
2005-11-02 16:34:27 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until
two years after it had started and the tide had already
turned.
If you mean by "tide had already turned" that the Axis
was at it strongest position of the war and had the most
conquered terrority it would have, you are correct.

The Chinese will tell you that the US didn't enter the war
until 8 years after it started, but that means it took the
Brits 6 years (not including selling-out the Czechs) to
get involved and that doesn't mesh with your world-view.

-Tom Enright
Wonko the Sane
2005-11-02 16:38:45 UTC
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Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it
had started and the tide had already turned.
Uh huh. The Eurpoeans really kicked German ass at Dunkirk.

Doug
Rifleman
2005-11-02 17:17:49 UTC
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Post by Wonko the Sane
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it
had started and the tide had already turned.
Uh huh. The Eurpoeans really kicked German ass at Dunkirk.
Doug
We fought on to survive and win,And your guys efforts at Pearl harbour were
even more laughable. What did you do in Vietnam or Somalia or Iran, Shit if
it was not for the British Gloucester regiment sacrificing itself for the
yanks you would have lost in Korea as well.
Tony Lima
2005-11-02 16:58:30 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC), "Rifleman"
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it
had started and the tide had already turned.
Moron. Welcome to my killfile. <*plonk*>
kevin hollingsworth
2005-11-02 17:16:45 UTC
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I would have thought the Brit Sluts saved Britain by keeping the Americans
on our side; thank the Lord that the German women were as flat-breasted then
as they are now! Otherwise who knows which side the Americans would have
thought on!!!
Post by Tony Lima
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC), "Rifleman"
Post by Rifleman
The US saved no one dickwad, it didnt enter the war until two years after it
had started and the tide had already turned.
Moron. Welcome to my killfile. <*plonk*>
Rifleman
2005-11-02 17:18:19 UTC
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Post by Tony Lima
Moron. Welcome to my killfile. <*plonk*>
Another Brave yank buries his head.
leinbacker
2005-11-02 17:11:49 UTC
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Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Yeah, those poor British Lassies, having to sell their bodies to afford
decent dental care.
Edward M. Kennedy
2005-11-02 17:29:23 UTC
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Post by leinbacker
Post by LOCK N. LOAD
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Yeah, those poor British Lassies, having to sell their bodies to afford
decent dental care.
They spent the money at the pub, dude.

--Tedward
Dave
2005-11-02 18:43:29 UTC
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On 2 Nov 2005 09:11:49 -0800, "leinbacker"
Post by leinbacker
Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Yeah, those poor British Lassies, having to sell their bodies to afford
decent dental care.
Probably where your dad caught his syphilis. I'll bet your mom thanked
him for that. little present he brought back from Europe..
leinbacker
2005-11-02 18:59:33 UTC
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Post by Dave
On 2 Nov 2005 09:11:49 -0800, "leinbacker"
Post by leinbacker
Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
Yeah, those poor British Lassies, having to sell their bodies to afford
decent dental care.
Probably where your dad caught his syphilis. I'll bet your mom thanked
him for that. little present he brought back from Europe..
My dad was too young for WW2, he was in during the Korean timeframe.
He was a Seabee, spent his time bouncing about in an LST rebuilding
things in Okinawa, Guam and such. The other half of his duty he was in
the Atlantic/Caribbean, tropical paridises like Bermuda and Gitmo.
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-02 18:29:43 UTC
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Post by LOCK N. LOAD
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent
society..
It's an interesting article showing how the good and great do not
understand fighting men. Prostitutes do not rape people and then go
through their wallet, no demand, no prostitutes. Prostitution and
armies have gone together since the Sumarians. The most famous cat
house known was probably in Chicago, but no soldier could have
afforded the charges. Look up the Everly Sisters.

By the way the article I saw contains quotes to the effect that
compared with Paris and London in WW1 this was tame.

Ken Young
David Read
2005-11-02 19:27:23 UTC
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<***@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@pipex.net...

<snip>
Post by k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Look up the Everly Sisters.
Or even the Beverly Brothers. Better still, try the Andrews Sisters version
of "Rum and Coca-Cola" --- workin' for the Yankee dollar...

Which is, presumably, what you meant.

--

cheers,

David Read
k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2005-11-03 17:40:31 UTC
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Post by David Read
Which is, presumably, what you meant.
Actually I meant Minna and Ada Everleigh, who ran the most expensive
whorehouse in the US.

Ken Young
David Read
2005-11-03 17:45:48 UTC
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Post by k***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by David Read
Which is, presumably, what you meant.
Actually I meant Minna and Ada Everleigh, who ran the most expensive
whorehouse in the US.
Ah, thanks. That clears that up.

--

cheers,

David Read
Guig
2005-11-02 21:52:08 UTC
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:27:27 GMT, LOCK N. LOAD
Post by LOCK N. LOAD
http://tinyurl.com/8kepe
Disgusting. I can't believe the U.S. saved such a decedent society..
"decedent " Obviously spelling is not a required subject in septic
schools.
--
"Always look behind you when you hear the closing of the door ... look
hard and you will recognise ... I'm the Architect of War."

Grace, Pulling Strings And Shiny Things, 1994.
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