Discussion:
Letter to NewstalkZB host re Stephen Jones' anti-Haka comments
(too old to reply)
Mo
2010-11-01 05:01:42 UTC
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If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".

Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.

But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".

This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....

Dear Larry,

Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.

Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.

Yours sincerely,

Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Fred
2010-11-01 05:21:36 UTC
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Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
No doubt some like it. I hate it. Ever since seeing the NZ segment of a
Hawaiian luau, the haka makes me cringe with embarrasment. Hundreds of
people unfamiliar with this country see this show every day, and it paints
NZ like a prehistoric culture. I'm sure most who attend go away with the
impression that we walk around with painted faces, spears and grass skirts.
I'd love to see it scrapped.
timbochov
2010-11-02 03:00:37 UTC
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Post by Fred
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
No doubt some like it. I hate it. Ever since seeing the NZ segment of a
Hawaiian  luau, the haka makes me cringe with embarrasment. Hundreds of
people unfamiliar with this country see this show every day, and it paints
NZ like a prehistoric culture. I'm sure most who attend go away with the
impression that we walk around with painted faces, spears and grass skirts.
I'd love to see it scrapped.
Just some theatre Fred - adds to the whole game day. Personally I love
it, probably more so since I have left NZ.

Tim
JD
2010-11-01 05:32:01 UTC
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Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predicably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Ben L
2010-11-01 08:41:34 UTC
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<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predicably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.

Thank you.
didgerman
2010-11-01 09:05:43 UTC
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Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predicably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
Thank you.
Newsflash: He's also Welsh. So there's an unholy alliance of bitter
and twisted evil right there.
Kev or lou
2010-11-01 09:20:49 UTC
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Post by didgerman
Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predicably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
Thank you.
Newsflash: He's also Welsh. So there's an unholy alliance of bitter
and twisted evil right there.
Newsflash: He's soooo pro England he can't possibly be considered welsh
anymore.
JD
2010-11-01 09:18:01 UTC
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Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predictably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
What stunning insight. What's next in your big bag of tricks, sharing
with us your new found knowledge the sun will probably rise in the
east again tomorrow?
Post by Ben L
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Uncle Dave
2010-11-01 09:32:59 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predictably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
What stunning insight. What's next in your big bag of tricks, sharing
with us your new found knowledge the sun will probably rise in the
east again tomorrow?
The point is, that every time he writes about it some eejit gets up in
arms about it, thus legitimising his POV as valid. What other journos
write about rugby is rarely even highlighted, let alone discussed
here, so he's obviously doing his job well when he can provoke a
reaction from across the world isn't he? As a rugby journalist he's
not that bad actually, something which most people don't even notice.
In the meantime, every time some poor downtrodden little Kiwi rugby
fan gets his or her knickers in a twist (do you have knickers in NZ,
or just grass skirts?) Mister Murdoch rubs his hands with glee...

UD
JD
2010-11-01 10:48:47 UTC
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Post by Uncle Dave
Post by JD
Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predictably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
What stunning insight. What's next in your big bag of tricks, sharing
with us your new found knowledge the sun will probably rise in the
east again tomorrow?
The point is
Fuck, here we go again.
Mr.Will
2010-11-02 02:46:26 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predictably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
What stunning insight. What's next in your big bag of tricks, sharing
with us your new found knowledge the sun will probably rise in the
east again tomorrow?
The point is, that every time he writes about it some eejit gets up in
arms about it, thus legitimising his POV as valid. What other journos
write about rugby is rarely even highlighted, let alone discussed
here, so he's obviously doing his job well when he can provoke a
reaction from across the world isn't he? As a rugby journalist he's
not that bad actually, something which most people don't even notice.
In the meantime, every time some poor downtrodden little Kiwi rugby
fan gets his or her knickers in a twist (do you have knickers in NZ,
or just grass skirts?) Mister Murdoch rubs his hands with glee...

UD
------------
Is this the same journalist who the SKY pundit was taunting Stuart Barnes
about in the rugby club programme?

Mr.Will
BrritSki
2010-11-02 08:00:05 UTC
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Post by Uncle Dave
Post by JD
Post by Ben L
<snip>
Post by JD
I was directed to that article by an English colleague sitting next to
me. The one thing that stood out was this sentence at the end: 'When
will New Zealand realise that nobody cares anymore?'
893 words suggests Stephen Jones does. A lot. The same tired nonsense
predictably thrown out every time his side are facing a rogering of
enormous proportions.
Newsflash: Stephen Jones' job is to sell newspapers.
What stunning insight. What's next in your big bag of tricks, sharing
with us your new found knowledge the sun will probably rise in the
east again tomorrow?
The point is, that every time he writes about it some eejit gets up in
arms about it, thus legitimising his POV as valid. What other journos
write about rugby is rarely even highlighted, let alone discussed
here, so he's obviously doing his job well when he can provoke a
reaction from across the world isn't he? As a rugby journalist he's
not that bad actually, something which most people don't even notice.
In the meantime, every time some poor downtrodden little Kiwi rugby
fan gets his or her knickers in a twist (do you have knickers in NZ,
or just grass skirts?) Mister Murdoch rubs his hands with glee...
UD
------------
Is this the same journalist who the SKY pundit was taunting Stuart Barnes
about in the rugby club programme?
Mr.Will
Yes.
Luluwazazulu
2010-11-01 07:55:07 UTC
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Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Yeah its the usual maori bashers having a field day encouraged by the
idiots in the ratings department.

Lew
Dave (SA)
2010-11-01 08:56:49 UTC
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Post by Luluwazazulu
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Yeah its the usual maori bashers having a field day encouraged by the
idiots in the ratings department.
Lew
I have cut&pasted my other post.

I do reckon the ABs have dug this hole.

Jones is a prat and I wont defend him but

I love the Haka but somewhere in the article Jones has a point. (only
one the rest is crap)

NZ have
* Become all to precious about demanding respect for it
* they have turned it into something commercial

As for the respect thing the rules keep changing.
Thou shall not advance.
Thou shall not sing
Thou shall not wait afterwards and stare the ABs down
Thou shall stare impassively at the Haka and walk away promptly at
its
conclusion.

Now I am no NZ historian but the Haka is a warrior like challenge.
I would venture to guess that the opposing tribe did not stand their
impassively whilst the challenge was issued. Lewd gestures, taunts
and
insults were most likely chucked back.

I love your Haka.

I suggest one simple policy.
Do the thing before kick off and let your opponents do what they
whatever they want to do.
If you don't like that rule then don't do the Haka.
didgerman
2010-11-01 09:07:05 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Post by Luluwazazulu
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Yeah its the usual maori bashers having a field day encouraged by the
idiots in the ratings department.
Lew
I have cut&pasted my other post.
I do reckon the ABs have dug this hole.
Jones is a prat and I wont defend him but
I love the Haka but somewhere in the article Jones has a point. (only
one the rest is crap)
NZ have
* Become all to precious about demanding respect for it
* they have turned it into something commercial
As for the respect thing the rules keep changing.
Thou shall not advance.
Thou shall not sing
Thou shall not wait afterwards and stare the ABs down
Thou shall stare impassively at the Haka and walk away promptly at
its
conclusion.
Now I am no NZ historian but the Haka is a warrior like challenge.
I would venture to guess that the opposing tribe did not stand their
impassively whilst the challenge was issued. Lewd gestures, taunts
and
insults were most likely chucked back.
I love your Haka.
I suggest one simple policy.
Do the thing before kick off and let your opponents do what they
whatever they want to do.
If you don't like that rule then don't do the Haka.
Spot on Dave. Do it, but don't cry about what happens next.
Uncle Dave
2010-11-01 09:41:00 UTC
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On Nov 1, 9:07 am, didgerman <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

< Ka mate, ka mate! Snip! Snip!>
Post by didgerman
Post by Dave (SA)
I suggest one simple policy.
Do the thing before kick off and let your opponents do what they
whatever they want to do.
If you don't like that rule then don't do the Haka.
Spot on Dave. Do it, but don't cry about what happens next.
I'm not sure most people do really, only those idiots who think that
the traditions of Maori culture should be respected in a special way
that other cultures' aren't. One does get the feeling that some New
Zealanders think they are, in some way, special in that regard which
is total bollocks. It's just another human superstition, like
religion and Halloween and stuff and only of significance to those who
believe it has some significance. It's more enjoyable to watch than
the usual excesses of such rituals - there is far less blood-letting
involved than with religion - but it's nothing special.

UD
Paul
2010-11-01 12:21:40 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
...
I love the Haka but somewhere in the article Jones has a point. (only
one the rest is crap)
NZ have
* Become all to precious about demanding respect for it
* they have turned it into something commercial
As for the respect thing the rules keep changing.
Thou shall not advance.
Thou shall not sing
Thou shall not wait afterwards and stare the ABs down
Thou shall stare impassively at the Haka and walk away promptly at
its
conclusion.
Now I am no NZ historian but the Haka is a warrior like challenge.
I would venture to guess that the opposing tribe did not stand their
impassively whilst the challenge was issued. Lewd gestures, taunts
and
insults were most likely chucked back.
Before the NZ vs PNG RL match on Saturday, the Kiwis did the haka and
then the Kumuls did a war cry. No-one seemed to get upset about "lack of
respect" or whatever.

Paul
JohnO
2010-11-01 20:36:14 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Post by Luluwazazulu
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Yeah its the usual maori bashers having a field day encouraged by the
idiots in the ratings department.
Lew
I have cut&pasted my other post.
I do reckon the ABs have dug this hole.
Jones is a prat and I wont defend him but
I love the Haka but somewhere in the article Jones has a point. (only
one the rest is crap)
NZ have
* Become all to precious about demanding respect for it
Not really. The line from the AB's has always been 'do what you want'.
It is the IRB who have become precious about it, and the only reason
for that is money.
Post by Dave (SA)
* they have turned it into something commercial
In as much as it is part of the AB point of difference, i.e. 'brand',
yes.
Post by Dave (SA)
As for the respect thing the rules keep changing.
Thou shall not advance.
Thou shall not sing
Thou shall not wait afterwards and stare the ABs down
Thou shall stare impassively at the Haka and walk away promptly at
its
conclusion.
As I say, this is not coming from the ABs. The IRB have waded into it.
Post by Dave (SA)
Now I am no NZ historian but the Haka is a warrior like challenge.
I would venture to guess that the opposing tribe did not stand their
impassively whilst the challenge was issued. Lewd gestures, taunts
and
insults were most likely chucked back.
I love your Haka.
I suggest one simple policy.
Do the thing before kick off and let your opponents do what they
whatever they want to do.
If you don't like that rule then don't do the Haka.
I agree with all of that.
Fred
2010-11-02 03:23:24 UTC
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Post by Luluwazazulu
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact that we in New Zealand had to own up to
producing Wynne ("Sensible") Gray, Paul Lewis and Murray Deaker, it
would be entirely reasonable to say that Stephen Jones of the Sunday
Times was the most egregiously awful rugby writer in the world. Of
course, nearly every New Zealand football fan has nothing but contempt
for Jones---a commentator described him today as "the Garth George of
rugby writing".
Today the ridiculous Welsh eeyore has re-published for the twentieth
straight year in a row his most pressing obsession: the All Blacks'
haka should be banned, he reckons.
But he has a few fans---the aforementioned Murray Deaker, for
instance. And of course the good folks at NewstalkZB hate the haka
with a passion. Drivetime host Larry Williams encouraged his listeners
to ring in with their opinions. As one might have expected, nearly
every caller was anti-haka---and anti-Maori. One hapless twit called
Neil (shurely not "Mr Scebe"!!??!?!?) even claimed the haka was "a
direct link to Maori domestic violence".
This writer (i.e., moi) was moved to send off the following e-mail to
Williams....
Dear Larry,
Hardly a surprise to hear caller after caller on your show respond to
your dog-whistle and pour scorn on the haka. Dumbest comment of the
day was by Neil: "It's too close to domestic violence," he frothed.
Even by NewstalkZB standards, that is loopy.
Let's face it, Larry: you and a lot of your friends are "concerned"
about the haka because it's a Maori thing.
Yours sincerely,
Morrissey Breen
Northcote Point
--------------------------------------------------------
So far, no reply from the ex-traffic cop...
Yeah its the usual maori bashers having a field day encouraged by the
idiots in the ratings department.
Criticism of the haka is not maori bashing- it's haka bashing.
Andrew Dunford
2010-11-01 11:56:37 UTC
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"Mo" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b97a5e1c-bd19-44da-8819-***@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...

Ernest, you and I both know what an appalling excuse for a radio station
NewstalkZB is. The thing is, a man of your obvious wit and intelligence
really ought to have learned by now not to tune in, don't you think?

<snip>

Andrew
GHFAN
2010-11-01 12:21:59 UTC
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The pre-game Haka can be done anywhere. It's been done in the dressing
room in the past. Doesn't matter. It's peculiar to New Zealand and
we'll do it where we want.
By the way, NBC/Universal the TV network showing the RWC to US viewers
"loves" it and will promote it as part of their why you should watch
the RWC promotion.

The way to counter the pre game Haka is to link arms and look at a
spot 3 feet above the performers heads.
Dave (SA)
2010-11-01 12:44:03 UTC
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Post by GHFAN
The pre-game Haka can be done anywhere. It's been done in the dressing
room in the past. Doesn't matter. It's peculiar to New Zealand and
we'll do it where we want.
By the way, NBC/Universal the TV network showing the RWC to US viewers
"loves" it and will promote it as part of their why you should watch
the RWC promotion.
The way to counter the pre game Haka is to link arms and look at a
spot 3 feet above the performers heads.
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.

Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
GHFAN
2010-11-01 15:00:28 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.
Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
Who is asking you to respect it? The opposing players don't and the
crowd (except in NZ) shows none.
Throw your gonads at it if you want. If you're watching it on TV turn
the damn thing off. If you're at a game boo and curse, block your ears
and close your eyes.
Deal with as best suits you.
Dave (SA)
2010-11-01 17:36:43 UTC
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Post by GHFAN
Post by Dave (SA)
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.
Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
Who is asking you to respect it? The opposing players don't and the
crowd (except in NZ) shows none.
Throw your gonads at it if you want. If you're watching it on TV turn
the damn thing off. If you're at a game boo and curse, block your ears
and close your eyes.
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
JohnO
2010-11-01 20:39:08 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Post by Dave (SA)
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.
Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
Who is asking you to respect it? The opposing players don't and the
crowd (except in NZ) shows none.
Throw your gonads at it if you want. If you're watching it on TV turn
the damn thing off. If you're at a game boo and curse, block your ears
and close your eyes.
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
Dave, the comments of a single player do not control world rugby,
television rights, or what time the sun comes up. It is a long stretch
from what Nonu says (got a cite?) to it being something that the team
and NZ rugby say.
Post by Dave (SA)
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
That's something to take up with the IRB then.
Lodi
2010-11-01 21:18:26 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Dave, the comments of a single player do not control world rugby,
television rights, or what time the sun comes up. It is a long stretch
from what Nonu says (got a cite?)
Daily Mirror so it must be true :-)

http://tinyurl.com/2cwu8ls

Ma'a Nonu warns Wales: Respect the Haka.. or else!

7/11/2009

Wales v New Zealand today at 5.15pm

Wales can end 56 years of hurt against the All Blacks today - but have been
warned they will pay dearly if they disrespect the Haka again.

The Maori war dance has become a bitter subject between Wales and New
Zealand.

Wales stunned the All Blacks last year by refusing to turn after the Haka,
delaying kick-off for more than three minutes.

Now All-Black centre Ma'a Nonu has warned Wales to show some respect.

He said: "There has been controversy about the Haka the last few times in
Cardiff.

Last year a lot of people back home thought Wales were disrespectful.

But it really wound up our boys and made us even more determined to win. If
I was facing the Haka I'd respect it. The Haka is the Haka, after that it's
game time. But [skipper] Ryan Jones obviously had instructions he had to
carry out. "It gave the game a real edge but if Wales do it again, they'll
get the same response."
GHFAN
2010-11-01 22:20:15 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
Dave, Nonu is a player. Repeat, a player. If the IRB legislate against
it on the field the team will do it in the dressing room or in the
tunnel.

It's an NZ thing. Jones et al are trying to make it an issue and the
AB's will get pissed and angry.

BTW Graham Henry makes "everyone" in the team learn it. Coaches,
manager, water-boy, physiorapist, team doctor (a she), baggage man.
Everyone.

It's not a big deal. Accept it and move on.
Dave (SA)
2010-11-02 06:03:27 UTC
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Post by GHFAN
Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
Dave, Nonu is a player. Repeat, a player. If the IRB legislate against
it on the field the team will do it in the dressing room or in the
tunnel.
The legislating I was referring to is the IRB protecting it. They have
stopped the opposing team advancing during the haka. They are againt
the welsh stare down.
I find that ridiculous.
As for nonu et al getting testy about how the opposition disrespect
the haka that is also riduclous.

This respect the haka thing did not come from non-nzers. Sure jones
has seized on it.

As I said I like the haka. I hope nz keep doing it. It's just the
response management that irks me. As far as I am concerned the
opposing team should be free to do whatever they want to do in
response to it.
BrritSki
2010-11-02 08:02:01 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
Dave, Nonu is a player. Repeat, a player. If the IRB legislate against
it on the field the team will do it in the dressing room or in the
tunnel.
The legislating I was referring to is the IRB protecting it. They have
stopped the opposing team advancing during the haka. They are againt
the welsh stare down.
I find that ridiculous.
As for nonu et al getting testy about how the opposition disrespect
the haka that is also riduclous.
This respect the haka thing did not come from non-nzers. Sure jones
has seized on it.
As I said I like the haka. I hope nz keep doing it. It's just the
response management that irks me. As far as I am concerned the
opposing team should be free to do whatever they want to do in
response to it.
Agreed. There is no question in my mind that it gives the ABs a
psychological edge at a critical point in the build up. They don't need
it (or maybe they do) and it's time it went.
JD
2010-11-02 08:53:02 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Post by Dave (SA)
Post by GHFAN
Deal with as best suits you.
Well some of the NZ players have expected exactly that (nonu was one).
And the IRB are legislating the response. (No advancing etc.)
Dave, Nonu is a player. Repeat, a player. If the IRB legislate against
it on the field the team will do it in the dressing room or in the
tunnel.
The legislating I was referring to is the IRB protecting it. They have
stopped the opposing team advancing during the haka. They are againt
the welsh stare down.
I find that ridiculous.
As for nonu et al getting testy about how the opposition disrespect
the haka that is also riduclous.
This respect the haka thing did not come from non-nzers. Sure jones
has seized on it.
As I said I like the haka. I hope nz keep doing it. It's just the
response management that irks me. As far as I am concerned the
opposing team should be free to do whatever they want to do in
response to it.
Agreed. There is no question in my mind that it gives the ABs a
psychological edge at a critical point in the build up.
Which explains the awesome starts they get off to...
BrritSki
2010-11-02 08:57:38 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by BrritSki
Post by Dave (SA)
As I said I like the haka. I hope nz keep doing it. It's just the
response management that irks me. As far as I am concerned the
opposing team should be free to do whatever they want to do in
response to it.
Agreed. There is no question in my mind that it gives the ABs a
psychological edge at a critical point in the build up.
Which explains the awesome starts they get off to...
Good point, well made :)

But isn't that just a recent phenomenon ?
Lodi
2010-11-01 21:44:34 UTC
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Post by Dave (SA)
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.
Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
Dave. I officially give you permission to disrespect the haka. Feel free to
boo at the TV when it's next on.

Personally, it makes me cringe. Here in NZ 2010 it's used for practically
everything you can think of. Win a bravery award = haka, get sentenced to
prison = haka, visit school children = haka, die = haka. Give me the poms
of Grantchester any day (Rupert, not Zinzan)

Lodi
Andrew Dunford
2010-11-02 01:38:28 UTC
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Post by Lodi
Post by Dave (SA)
Surely the opposing side can choose their own way to counter the Haka.
If it involves grabbing ones own gonads and doing a forward hip thrust
so be it.
Its this constant call for respect that irritates me
Dave. I officially give you permission to disrespect the haka. Feel free to
boo at the TV when it's next on.
Personally, it makes me cringe. Here in NZ 2010 it's used for practically
everything you can think of. Win a bravery award = haka, get sentenced to
prison = haka, visit school children = haka, die = haka. Give me the poms
of Grantchester any day (Rupert, not Zinzan)
Write stuff like this on newsgroup = haka.

Everything you've written is spot on, apart from the fact that you wrote it.
Not allowed.

Andrew
caspar milquetoast
2010-11-01 12:11:43 UTC
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Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact
Here he comes, hard on the heels of a win by his beloved Wallabies, Mr
no-life himself, the man who makes Mother Alvey look like a cross
between Brad Pitt and Vitali Klitschko, yes it's Mowithey "Rent Boy" Bween!
Uncle Dave
2010-11-01 12:56:24 UTC
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Post by caspar milquetoast
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact
Here he comes, hard on the heels of a win by his beloved Wallabies, Mr
no-life himself, the man who makes Mother Alvey look like a cross
between Brad Pitt and Vitali Klitschko, yes it's Mowithey "Rent Boy" Bween!
Surely, for the sake of consistency, that should be "Went Bwoy"? Just
trying to be helpful.

UD
caspar milquetoast
2010-11-01 15:13:18 UTC
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Post by Uncle Dave
Post by caspar milquetoast
Post by Mo
If it were not for the fact
Here he comes, hard on the heels of a win by his beloved Wallabies, Mr
no-life himself, the man who makes Mother Alvey look like a cross
between Brad Pitt and Vitali Klitschko, yes it's Mowithey "Rent Boy" Bween!
Surely, for the sake of consistency, that should be "Went Bwoy"? Just
trying to be helpful.
Alas, consistency has never been his strong point.
a***@free.fr
2020-04-11 18:12:51 UTC
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