Quite possibly the tastiest brew ever.

[Dave Kelly]

Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
Peep game:
http://www.franziskaner.com/

[p***@hotmail.com]

HRYK.

Besides Hoegarten, this is some fine, fine suds.

[Sean Baker]

Post by p***@hotmail.com
HRYK.
Besides Hoegarten, this is some fine, fine suds.

WAITAMINUTE!!!

This is not the Schlitz, warm, in a rusty can Bleers that I remember.

Peace,

Sean

[p***@hotmail.com]

A man cant drink swill ALL the time...............I enjoy a finely
crafted European brew on occaison. Its just those foul micros that I
cant bear to stomach.

[band beyond description]

Post by p***@hotmail.com
A man cant drink swill ALL the time...............I enjoy a finely
crafted European brew on occaison. Its just those foul micros that I
cant bear to stomach.

YRYK; too much is often made of less-than-stellar micros...(brews, not
dots).

[JC Martin]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

The greatest brew is Trappistes Rochefort #8. And my favorite
all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale. That's how it
is...multiple periods!

Peas,
JC

[Sean Baker]

... And my favorite all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale.
That's how it is...multiple periods!
Peas,
JC

Duvel,

A world class contender. Arguably Belguim's finest ale.

We at the Chuich love Maudite. www.unibroue.com

Peace,

Sean

[k***@yahoo.com]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

The greatest brew is Trappistes Rochefort #8. And my favorite
all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale. That's how it
is...multiple periods!

Wow! You are pretty close. I like the #12. People always hype Chimay
which is good stuff but pales a bit next to Rochefort. Another favorite
of mine is anything (mainly Stille Naught) by De Dolle. Homegrown?
I'd have to go with Weeping Radish's Black Radish on draft in Manteo,
NC.

BTW, we are so close to joining the 21st century. The vote is happening
this week/next week to raise the beer cap from 6%.

Kurt

[Matt]

***@yahoo.com wrote:


: JC Martin wrote:
: > Dave Kelly wrote:
: > > Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
: > > in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
: > > I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
: > > of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
: > > If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
: > > not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
: > > Sweet-Suds
: > > Peep game:
: > > http://www.franziskaner.com/
: >
: >
: > The greatest brew is Trappistes Rochefort #8. And my favorite
: > all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale. That's how it
: > is...multiple periods!

: Wow! You are pretty close. I like the #12. People always hype Chimay
: which is good stuff but pales a bit next to Rochefort. Another favorite
: of mine is anything (mainly Stille Naught) by De Dolle. Homegrown?
: I'd have to go with Weeping Radish's Black Radish on draft in Manteo,
: NC.

De Dolle export stout and Dulle Teve are excellent! but no discussion of
belgian beer can be complete without paying respect to the fine folks at
cantillon, and their local wild yeasts.

If you're down with the sour and you're on the left coast, check for
Supplication, by Russian River Brewing Co. It's a brown ale fermented in
oak casks with sour cherries- the tart and dry finish of the cherry on the
understated brown ale makes this an absolutely amazing brew. plus, hey,
it's got a good name ;)

[JC Martin]

Post by Matt
: > > Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
: > > in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
: > > I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
: > > of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
: > > If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
: > > not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
: > > Sweet-Suds
: > > http://www.franziskaner.com/
: >
: >
: > The greatest brew is Trappistes Rochefort #8. And my favorite
: > all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale. That's how it
: > is...multiple periods!
: Wow! You are pretty close. I like the #12. People always hype Chimay
: which is good stuff but pales a bit next to Rochefort. Another favorite
: of mine is anything (mainly Stille Naught) by De Dolle. Homegrown?
: I'd have to go with Weeping Radish's Black Radish on draft in Manteo,
: NC.
De Dolle export stout and Dulle Teve are excellent! but no discussion of
belgian beer can be complete without paying respect to the fine folks at
cantillon, and their local wild yeasts.
If you're down with the sour and you're on the left coast, check for
Supplication, by Russian River Brewing Co. It's a brown ale fermented in
oak casks with sour cherries- the tart and dry finish of the cherry on the
understated brown ale makes this an absolutely amazing brew. plus, hey,
it's got a good name ;)

I'm three blocks away from having that on tap. :-)

-JC

[Matt]

JC Martin <***@sonic.net> wrote:
: Matt wrote:
: >
: > If you're down with the sour and you're on the left coast, check for
: > Supplication, by Russian River Brewing Co. It's a brown ale fermented in
: > oak casks with sour cherries- the tart and dry finish of the cherry on the
: > understated brown ale makes this an absolutely amazing brew. plus, hey,
: > it's got a good name ;)


: I'm three blocks away from having that on tap. :-)

damn you! they have no distribution on the east coast!

[JC Martin]

Post by Matt
: >
: > If you're down with the sour and you're on the left coast, check for
: > Supplication, by Russian River Brewing Co. It's a brown ale fermented in
: > oak casks with sour cherries- the tart and dry finish of the cherry on the
: > understated brown ale makes this an absolutely amazing brew. plus, hey,
: > it's got a good name ;)
: I'm three blocks away from having that on tap. :-)
damn you! they have no distribution on the east coast!

Seems to me that they don't produce as much as their other beers too,
because it's not always available at the brewery on tap. It's
apparently aged in old Pinot Noir barrels. So their bottled versions
are probably put out in fairly limited batches given space issues and
the uniqueness of the ale itself (it's definitely not for everyone!).

-JC

[k***@yahoo.com]

Post by Matt
: > > Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
: > > in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
: > > I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
: > > of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
: > > If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
: > > not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
: > > Sweet-Suds
: > > http://www.franziskaner.com/
: >
: >
: > The greatest brew is Trappistes Rochefort #8. And my favorite
: > all-purpose brew of the moment is Duvel's golden ale. That's how it
: > is...multiple periods!
: Wow! You are pretty close. I like the #12. People always hype Chimay
: which is good stuff but pales a bit next to Rochefort. Another favorite
: of mine is anything (mainly Stille Naught) by De Dolle. Homegrown?
: I'd have to go with Weeping Radish's Black Radish on draft in Manteo,
: NC.
De Dolle export stout and Dulle Teve are excellent! but no discussion of
belgian beer can be complete without paying respect to the fine folks at
cantillon, and their local wild yeasts.

Agreed. I visited the brewery and shot about 2 rolls of film. It is
exactly what you'd expect. Yes, they did put the new roof *over* the
old roof to preserve the yeasts favored environment. Definitely worth
the visit.

Kurt

[Matt]

***@yahoo.com wrote:


: Matt wrote:
: > De Dolle export stout and Dulle Teve are excellent! but no discussion of
: > belgian beer can be complete without paying respect to the fine folks at
: > cantillon, and their local wild yeasts.

: Agreed. I visited the brewery and shot about 2 rolls of film. It is
: exactly what you'd expect. Yes, they did put the new roof *over* the
: old roof to preserve the yeasts favored environment. Definitely worth
: the visit.

do they regularly do tours? i wasn't sure they did, but would like to
check them out when i get to belgium some day... i almost figured i'd
have to sign up for a Horst Dornbusch tour or something.

[Dave]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Dave,

I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer you
guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of national pride,
man. What are you? There must be something brewed in the States you can
point the tourists at with something like pride. It can't all be as bad as
Lone Star.

Dave

[Mike]

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Dave,
I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer
you guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of
national pride, man. What are you? There must be something brewed in
the States you can point the tourists at with something like pride.
It can't all be as bad as Lone Star.
Dave

Anderson Valley Brewing Company in Boonville California. Start with the
Boont Amber Ale - sensational!

Mike

[JC Martin]

Post by Mike

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Dave,
I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer
you guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of
national pride, man. What are you? There must be something brewed in
the States you can point the tourists at with something like pride.
It can't all be as bad as Lone Star.
Dave

Anderson Valley Brewing Company in Boonville California. Start with the
Boont Amber Ale - sensational!

The ESB and IPA are pretty stellar as well. But I tell ya, ya have to
have it on tap. Wow! On a sunny day, life don't get too much bettah.

-JC

[Dave]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Mike

Post by Dave

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Dave,
I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer
you guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of
national pride, man. What are you? There must be something brewed in
the States you can point the tourists at with something like pride.
It can't all be as bad as Lone Star.
Dave

Anderson Valley Brewing Company in Boonville California. Start with the
Boont Amber Ale - sensational!

The ESB and IPA are pretty stellar as well. But I tell ya, ya have to
have it on tap. Wow! On a sunny day, life don't get too much bettah.
-JC

I have a friend visits California regularly. I'll get him to find me some.
Cheers

Dave

[Uncle John]

The folks at Smuttynose and Dogfish Head have some game. The latter's 60-
minute IPA is something else.

Post by Dave
Dave,
I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer
you guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of
national pride, man. What are you? There must be something brewed in
the States you can point the tourists at with something like pride.
It can't all be as bad as Lone Star.
Dave

[CrazyDave]

Smuttynose - outstanding.

[s***@hotmail.com]

My brew pub has the Dogfish 90 Minute IPA on tap this week and I had me
a 20 oz mug of it. OK, I'm a lightweight compared to you guys and I was
tipsy by the time I finished it, but finish it I did. I definitely
prefer their 60 minute IPA over the 90.

Theresa

[JC Martin]

Post by s***@hotmail.com
My brew pub has the Dogfish 90 Minute IPA on tap this week and I had me
a 20 oz mug of it. OK, I'm a lightweight compared to you guys and I was
tipsy by the time I finished it, but finish it I did. I definitely
prefer their 60 minute IPA over the 90.

Hey, I'm a pretty big guy and I can get decent buzz of one IPA. Some of
them have 7.5% alc after all.

-JC

[s***@hotmail.com]

JC, the Dogfish 90 Minute IPA has an ABV of 9%; tipsy indeed. It was
also very malty for an IPA, I was expecting some more hops, being a
hophead and all.

Theresa

[JC Martin]

Post by s***@hotmail.com
JC, the Dogfish 90 Minute IPA has an ABV of 9%; tipsy indeed. It was
also very malty for an IPA, I was expecting some more hops, being a
hophead and all.

Yeah, that's a big one. Certainly enough to get me silly. :-)

Peas,
JC

[Sherry]

Post by Dave
I can understand that after drinking all that recycled American beer you
guys'd be grateful for anything foreign, but show a bit of national pride,
man. What are you? There must be something brewed in the States you can
point the tourists at with something like pride. It can't all be as bad as
Lone Star.

I like most of the Long Trail brews, myself. But not the pale ale. I prefer
darker beers. Not cold, either. :)

Best light beer I've ever tasted was made by a friend of mine in Denver. He
grew his own hops. It was quite tasty, for a pale beer.

Sherry in Vermont

[Sean Baker]

Post by Sherry
Best light beer I've ever tasted was made by a friend of mine in Denver. He
grew his own hops. It was quite tasty, for a pale beer.
Sherry in Vermont

Sherry,

LTNS. Any bonfire photos n' such? How about them Apple bottoms? Still
rockin'?

Peace,

Sean

[Sherry]

Post by Sean Baker
LTNS. Any bonfire photos n' such? How about them Apple bottoms? Still
rockin'?

Bonfire photos from last year start here:

http://www.cowofthewild.net/Pages/Bonfire1.html

This year's bonfire is next month, weekend of August 13-14th.

Too hot for my long apple green jammy bottoms this time of year.

Of COURSE I am still rockin'! :)

Sherry in Vermont

[Sean Baker]

Post by Sherry

Post by Sean Baker
LTNS. Any bonfire photos n' such? How about them Apple bottoms? Still
rockin'?

http://www.cowofthewild.net/Pages/Bonfire1.html
This year's bonfire is next month, weekend of August 13-14th.
Too hot for my long apple green jammy bottoms this time of year.
Of COURSE I am still rockin'! :)
Sherry in Vermont

Sherry,

Fantastic photos. Y'ssins 'r jus' a good fun lovin' bunch. Thank Gawd
ther' ain' no cure fo' VT.

Peace,

Sean

[Andrew Murawa]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Hell yeah... One of my ol' standbys... I still don't get why these people
wanna put quality brews in green bottles though... Remains one of the most
completely dumbfounding mysteries of the universe...

[The old geezer]

Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich......Blah, blah, blah.......

F**K THAT S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The old geezer

NP: Phaedra - Tangerine Dream
ND:PBR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brew ziggins]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich......Blah, blah, blah.......
F**K THAT S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old geezer
NP: Phaedra - Tangerine Dream
ND:PBR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correct attitude, but you mis-spelled PILSNER FUCKIN' URQUELL

(Yes, I am familiar with 'Blue Velvet' :-)

[band beyond description]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.
I think Spaten Brewery out of Munich is the finest purveyor
of suds on the planet earth. Bar none.
If you drink from ANY other brewery...well....then you're really
not drinking beer. I SHANT be swayed on this topic.
Sweet-Suds
http://www.franziskaner.com/

Sweets knows this site, but for everyone else --

http://www.franziskaner.com/

[Neil X.]

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.

Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.

Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......

Peace,
Neil X.

[JimK]

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......
Peace,
Neil X.

Do we have to keep bringing up those damned figs?

JimK

[leftie]

Post by JimK

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......
Peace,
Neil X.

Do we have to keep bringing up those damned figs?

God hates figs!

[JC Martin]

Post by JimK

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......
Peace,
Neil X.

Do we have to keep bringing up those damned figs?

God hates jambands!

Better.

-JC

[Rupert]

Sorry sweetbac, but there's a reason why Germans are so pissed off all
the time, and want to invade other countries...it's from drinking that
bitter pisswater they call beer.

I fondly lament the departure of Watney's Red Barrel, but I also have
to suggest Samuel Smith's fine beers, particularly the seasonal Winter
Welcome and the Oatmeal Stout. And no, we English DON'T drink it warm.

My other faves since moving up here to Marin (civilization), are the
beers from the Marin Brewing Company and Moylan's. Especially good is
the Kilt Lifter Scottish Ale.

Of course, the greatest beer of all time was my friend's "Bud Heavy".
It was a home brew with green buds mixed in with the hops. It was the
only beer that gave me the munchies! Plus, you couldn't even see
through it.

Peace out,
-Rupedawg

[NeilX]

Post by JimK
Do we have to keep bringing up those damned figs?

It's heiney sex or nothing for you, isn't it?

Peace,
Neil X.

[Dave Kelly]

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.

Neil....you had me at hello!....oh...wait...
we're talking about beer....oh....yes.....
once AGAIN you're wrong!
You seen how we do out here 1st hand, and you
STILL aint wit da program!....now go hoist a frosty
Sam Adams Lite, baby!...east coasters KILL me!

Sweetbac Productions

[Brad Greer]

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......

Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

However, you do realize the Germans relaxed the Reinheitsgebot
somewhere around 1850 to allow wheat beers to be sold in Germany,
right? The Reinheitsgebot is a crock anyway, the original version
didn't allow for yeast (yeast wasn't consciously added when it was
written instead they relied on spontaneous fermentation), yet I'm sure
most beers sold in Germany today (outside any Trappist ales or the
like that they import) have yeast added.

Adjuncts are acceptable in specialty beers, such as a coffee stout,
the various fruit lambics produced in Belgium (where all beer rules go
out the window anyway), spice beers for the winter holidays and a few
other exceptions. None of these adjunct beers should be your main
beer, but rather something you sample from time to time for a little
variety.

[JC Martin]

Hoegaardens are wheat beers, and they're quite good IMO. Much better
than that Pilsner Urquel stuff people on the east coast accept as high
end beer.

:-)

-JC

[Neil X.]

Post by JC Martin
Hoegaardens are wheat beers, and they're quite good IMO.

Well, technically they are defined as "White Beers", and in addition to
wheat, they also contain corriander and orange peel. This is a
traditional style of Belgian Beer, distinct from "wheat beer," per se.

Post by JC Martin
Much better than that Pilsner Urquel stuff people on the east coast
accept as high end beer.

The complexity and fullness of flavor present in Pilsner Urquell is
missing from Hoegaarden. The tasteless wheat waters down the malt
flavor. Don't get me wrong, I like a Hoegaarden a lot on a hot summer
day, but consider them to be more in the "esay drinking, thirst
quenching" category, not nearly in the same class as Urquell.
Hoegaardens sure cost plenty, though.

Peace,
Neil X.

[k***@yahoo.com]

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
Hoegaardens are wheat beers, and they're quite good IMO.

Well, technically they are defined as "White Beers", and in addition to
wheat, they also contain corriander and orange peel. This is a
traditional style of Belgian Beer, distinct from "wheat beer," per se.

Post by JC Martin
Much better than that Pilsner Urquel stuff people on the east coast
accept as high end beer.

The complexity and fullness of flavor present in Pilsner Urquell is
missing from Hoegaarden. The tasteless wheat waters down the malt
flavor. Don't get me wrong, I like a Hoegaarden a lot on a hot summer
day, but consider them to be more in the "esay drinking, thirst
quenching" category, not nearly in the same class as Urquell.
Hoegaardens sure cost plenty, though.

You guys crack me up. There are wheat beers and then there are wheat
beers.
IMHO, American style wheats are gross. However, an Adventinus Wheat
Double
Bock? Whoa. Then there's the whole lactic acid thing. Some folks like
it. Others don't. Comparing German beers to Belgian to British is
really pointless. The reality is that if you can semi-intelligently
participate in such a discussion you are already there. Know what I
mean?

Kurt

[JC Martin]

Post by k***@yahoo.com

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
Hoegaardens are wheat beers, and they're quite good IMO.

Well, technically they are defined as "White Beers", and in addition to
wheat, they also contain corriander and orange peel. This is a
traditional style of Belgian Beer, distinct from "wheat beer," per se.

Post by JC Martin
Much better than that Pilsner Urquel stuff people on the east coast
accept as high end beer.

The complexity and fullness of flavor present in Pilsner Urquell is
missing from Hoegaarden. The tasteless wheat waters down the malt
flavor. Don't get me wrong, I like a Hoegaarden a lot on a hot summer
day, but consider them to be more in the "esay drinking, thirst
quenching" category, not nearly in the same class as Urquell.
Hoegaardens sure cost plenty, though.

You guys crack me up. There are wheat beers and then there are wheat
beers.

Excuse me! This is serious business here.

Post by k***@yahoo.com
IMHO, American style wheats are gross.

No kidding. Without the spices, wheats are too bland for my tastes.

Post by k***@yahoo.com
However, an Adventinus Wheat
Double
Bock? Whoa. Then there's the whole lactic acid thing. Some folks like
it. Others don't.

Haven't tried that one. Okay, on the list.

Post by k***@yahoo.com
Comparing German beers to Belgian to British is
really pointless. The reality is that if you can semi-intelligently
participate in such a discussion you are already there. Know what I
mean?

You mean another obsessive frivolous activity in our lives? Yeah baby!

-JC

NP: Hal Wilner Presents...Weird Nightmare - Meditations On Mingus
(this one has aged nicely-wow)

[Matt]

JC Martin <***@sonic.net> wrote:
: ***@yahoo.com wrote:
: >
: >However, an Adventinus Wheat
: > Double
: > Bock? Whoa. Then there's the whole lactic acid thing. Some folks like
: > it. Others don't.

: Haven't tried that one. Okay, on the list.

this beer is in a class of its own, one of my top picks and
recommendations. be sure toalso look for a weizen eisbock clocking in at
%12 (compared to the doppelbock's %8) made from the doppelbock using an
ice-beer technique. it's not like icehouse, it brings out the raisin and
port characteristics (among others) of the brew. fantastic.

[JC Martin]

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
Hoegaardens are wheat beers, and they're quite good IMO.

Well, technically they are defined as "White Beers", and in addition to
wheat, they also contain corriander and orange peel. This is a
traditional style of Belgian Beer, distinct from "wheat beer," per se.

I know my beers dammit! :-) Technically though, Hoegaarden is
fermented from wheat mash, and yes, spiced with coriander and orange.
And technically in Belgium Neil, "white" beer is a traditional wheat
beer. Also, technically Hoegaarden is named after a primarily
wheat-growing town. I'm sure you're aware of that, so enough with the
beer lessons. Let's drink a load!

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
Much better than that Pilsner Urquel stuff people on the east coast
accept as high end beer.

The complexity and fullness of flavor present in Pilsner Urquell is
missing from Hoegaarden. \

Yeah, in comparison, tis true. Complexity though? Lager yeasts are not
too complex in flavor to me. Now some of the west coast breweries out
here have been doing interesting things with lager yeast, particularly
Sierra Nevada's Summerfest brew. Far more complex and interesting than
a Pilsner Urquell IMO. But it could me my west coast palette in effect.
Cause in fact, I find Czech lagers remind me too much of glorified
versions of cheap American beer. On a nice hot day, they're okay when
chilled properly though.

In San Francisco BTW there's a massive billboard campaign going on to
promote PU's. Seems likes it's becoming a yuppie beer of sorts, which
is strange.

Post by Neil X.
The tasteless wheat waters down the malt
flavor. Don't get me wrong, I like a Hoegaarden a lot on a hot summer
day, but consider them to be more in the "esay drinking, thirst
quenching" category, not nearly in the same class as Urquell.
Hoegaardens sure cost plenty, though.

Yeah, they are lighter, but the spices impart an interesting enough
flavor when the mood strikes. I mean, I'd much rather drink a Duvel or
a Piraate over anything these days. I tend to prefer beers strong and
rich in character.

-JC

[Neil X.]

Post by JC Martin
I know my beers dammit! :-) Technically though, Hoegaarden is
fermented from wheat mash, and yes, spiced with coriander and orange.
And technically in Belgium Neil, "white" beer is a traditional wheat
beer. Also, technically Hoegaarden is named after a primarily
wheat-growing town.

Uh, well, yeah, all that is true, but to call Hoegaarden a "wheat beer"
is to only describe part of what it is. It is a specific variety of
wheat-containing beer.

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, in comparison, tis true. Complexity though? Lager yeasts are not
too complex in flavor to me. Now some of the west coast breweries out
here have been doing interesting things with lager yeast, particularly
Sierra Nevada's Summerfest brew. Far more complex and interesting than
a Pilsner Urquell IMO.

I agree that some west coast breweries are doing some very interesting
things with lager yeasts, though Sierra Nevada doesn't come to mind.
I've found previous years' batches of the Summer Ale to be really
bland, boring. Maybe this years' batch is better, I'll have to try it.

Anchor, on the other hand, is pretty much the definition of a brewery
that's done interesting things with lager yeast. Steam beer uses lager
yeast fermented at ale temperatures, thus causing any number of
interesting-tasting by-products to be secreted by the yeast, most
notably diacetyl, which imparts Anchor Steam's charachteristic
butterscotch-y overtones. I've said it before, it depends purely on my
mood whether I consider Pilsner Urquell, Anchor Steam or Sierra Nevada
Pale Ale to be the best beer in the world. Since visiting the Bay
Area, I would also toss Lagunitas' Copper Ale (The Chronic/"Censored
Ale") onto the list.......

Post by JC Martin
In San Francisco BTW there's a massive billboard campaign going on to
promote PU's. Seems likes it's becoming a yuppie beer of sorts, which
is strange.

They've had a lot of success marketing in the East and Midwest, it's
not surprising they're moving westward. Why anyone would drink
something like a Heineken instead of an Urquell completely baffles me.
Then again, all these beers we're talking about occupy 5% of the
national market, the other 95% is Bud and Miller, so there's no
accounting for America's beer preferences......

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, they are lighter, but the spices impart an interesting enough
flavor when the mood strikes. I mean, I'd much rather drink a Duvel or
a Piraate over anything these days. I tend to prefer beers strong and
rich in character.

That comes down to a matter of taste and what kind of experience one is
looking for in a beer. If just drinking a single beer, a North Coast
Old Rasputin Imperial Stout, or a Brooklyn Brewery Black Chocolate
Stout, might be the best thing out there. But you'd never open a
second one right after finishing the first.

OK, enough of this, I have a meeting with a bunch of scientists and
financial folks at the wonderful hour of 7 AM tomorrow, gotta finish
the powerpoint presentation.....

Peace,
Neil X.

[JC Martin]

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
I know my beers dammit! :-) Technically though, Hoegaarden is
fermented from wheat mash, and yes, spiced with coriander and orange.
And technically in Belgium Neil, "white" beer is a traditional wheat
beer. Also, technically Hoegaarden is named after a primarily
wheat-growing town.

Uh, well, yeah, all that is true, but to call Hoegaarden a "wheat beer"
is to only describe part of what it is. It is a specific variety of
wheat-containing beer.

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, in comparison, tis true. Complexity though? Lager yeasts are not
too complex in flavor to me. Now some of the west coast breweries out
here have been doing interesting things with lager yeast, particularly
Sierra Nevada's Summerfest brew. Far more complex and interesting than
a Pilsner Urquell IMO.

I agree that some west coast breweries are doing some very interesting
things with lager yeasts, though Sierra Nevada doesn't come to mind.
I've found previous years' batches of the Summer Ale to be really
bland, boring. Maybe this years' batch is better, I'll have to try it.

It's much better this year, trust me.

Post by Neil X.
Anchor, on the other hand, is pretty much the definition of a brewery
that's done interesting things with lager yeast. Steam beer uses lager
yeast fermented at ale temperatures, thus causing any number of
interesting-tasting by-products to be secreted by the yeast, most
notably diacetyl, which imparts Anchor Steam's charachteristic
butterscotch-y overtones.

Interesting.

Post by Neil X.
I've said it before, it depends purely on my
mood whether I consider Pilsner Urquell, Anchor Steam or Sierra Nevada
Pale Ale to be the best beer in the world. Since visiting the Bay
Area, I would also toss Lagunitas' Copper Ale (The Chronic/"Censored
Ale") onto the list.......

I've recently re-developed a taste for Anchor Steam. Indeed, it's
really good. I'm not to high on Lagunitas, but I'll give I another try
per your recommendation. I also stated recently that SN Pale Ale is
the worst beer I drink and I meant that be be sort of a silly statement
regarding my snobbish beer drinkin' habits. It's an old stand-by for
me. I drank that stuff like most Americans drink Budweiser...for years.
It's a great beer, but I've moved well past craving it much except
when I'm hanging out with old buddies. SN Pale Ale is pretty popular in
these parts and has been so for more years than I can remember.

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
In San Francisco BTW there's a massive billboard campaign going on to
promote PU's. Seems likes it's becoming a yuppie beer of sorts, which
is strange.

They've had a lot of success marketing in the East and Midwest, it's
not surprising they're moving westward. Why anyone would drink
something like a Heineken instead of an Urquell completely baffles me.
Then again, all these beers we're talking about occupy 5% of the
national market, the other 95% is Bud and Miller, so there's no
accounting for America's beer preferences......

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, they are lighter, but the spices impart an interesting enough
flavor when the mood strikes. I mean, I'd much rather drink a Duvel or
a Piraate over anything these days. I tend to prefer beers strong and
rich in character.

That comes down to a matter of taste and what kind of experience one is
looking for in a beer. If just drinking a single beer, a North Coast
Old Rasputin Imperial Stout, or a Brooklyn Brewery Black Chocolate
Stout, might be the best thing out there. But you'd never open a
second one right after finishing the first.

Man, I drank six Duvels last weekend and I was quite buzzed, nearly
wasted. Dangerous stuff. But to me it tastes just right. I don't pay
attention to the alcohol content until I've had too much. By then, who
cares! And stout? I have to be in a certain mood for that.

Post by Neil X.
OK, enough of this, I have a meeting with a bunch of scientists and
financial folks at the wonderful hour of 7 AM tomorrow, gotta finish
the powerpoint presentation.....

Good luck.

-JC

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Neil X.

Post by JC Martin
I know my beers dammit! :-) Technically though, Hoegaarden is
fermented from wheat mash, and yes, spiced with coriander and orange.
And technically in Belgium Neil, "white" beer is a traditional wheat
beer. Also, technically Hoegaarden is named after a primarily
wheat-growing town.

Uh, well, yeah, all that is true, but to call Hoegaarden a "wheat beer"
is to only describe part of what it is. It is a specific variety of
wheat-containing beer.

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, in comparison, tis true. Complexity though? Lager yeasts are not
too complex in flavor to me. Now some of the west coast breweries out
here have been doing interesting things with lager yeast, particularly
Sierra Nevada's Summerfest brew. Far more complex and interesting than
a Pilsner Urquell IMO.

I agree that some west coast breweries are doing some very interesting
things with lager yeasts, though Sierra Nevada doesn't come to mind.
I've found previous years' batches of the Summer Ale to be really
bland, boring. Maybe this years' batch is better, I'll have to try it.

It's much better this year, trust me.

I've never been a big fan of Sierra Nevada's summer beer, but I'll
give it a try this weekend. I'll let you know what I think.

Post by JC Martin

Post by Neil X.
I've said it before, it depends purely on my
mood whether I consider Pilsner Urquell, Anchor Steam or Sierra Nevada
Pale Ale to be the best beer in the world. Since visiting the Bay
Area, I would also toss Lagunitas' Copper Ale (The Chronic/"Censored
Ale") onto the list.......

I've recently re-developed a taste for Anchor Steam. Indeed, it's
really good. I'm not to high on Lagunitas, but I'll give I another try
per your recommendation. I also stated recently that SN Pale Ale is
the worst beer I drink and I meant that be be sort of a silly statement
regarding my snobbish beer drinkin' habits. It's an old stand-by for
me. I drank that stuff like most Americans drink Budweiser...for years.
It's a great beer, but I've moved well past craving it much except
when I'm hanging out with old buddies. SN Pale Ale is pretty popular in
these parts and has been so for more years than I can remember.

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is an old standby, but it remains a very good
ale. Sure, it's somewhat cliched to drink it (it sort of says "I like
craft brews and I'm sophisticated enough to not drink Sam Adams"), but
it still does the job for me. It's been my "Budweiser" for many years
as well, and while I'll move to other beers from time to time
(currently I'm liking Smuttynose IPA a lot, and Victory's beers are
always a good option) SNPA remains a favorite. Crave it? No, of
course not. But it's hardly slumming either.

Post by JC Martin

Post by Neil X.
That comes down to a matter of taste and what kind of experience one is
looking for in a beer. If just drinking a single beer, a North Coast
Old Rasputin Imperial Stout, or a Brooklyn Brewery Black Chocolate
Stout, might be the best thing out there. But you'd never open a
second one right after finishing the first.

Man, I drank six Duvels last weekend and I was quite buzzed, nearly
wasted. Dangerous stuff. But to me it tastes just right. I don't pay
attention to the alcohol content until I've had too much. By then, who
cares! And stout? I have to be in a certain mood for that.

Stouts can be really nice, but you're right - you have to be in the
mood for them. Six Duvels will definitely knock you on your ass, but
it will be a pleasant journey. I also don't pay much attention to the
alcohol content except for really big beers like barleywine ales or
imperial stouts. Then I know I'm drinking something really strong
(although they tend to be self-limiting, there's no way to pound a
barleywine ale).

Post by JC Martin

Post by Neil X.
OK, enough of this, I have a meeting with a bunch of scientists and
financial folks at the wonderful hour of 7 AM tomorrow, gotta finish
the powerpoint presentation.....

Good luck.
-JC

[Neil X.]

Post by Brad Greer
Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.
However, you do realize the Germans relaxed the Reinheitsgebot
somewhere around 1850 to allow wheat beers to be sold in Germany,
right?

Yeah, but I was betting Sweetbac didn't know that. Never let facts get
in the way of a good rant.

Post by Brad Greer
The Reinheitsgebot is a crock anyway, the original version
didn't allow for yeast (yeast wasn't consciously added when it was
written instead they relied on spontaneous fermentation), yet I'm sure
most beers sold in Germany today (outside any Trappist ales or the
like that they import) have yeast added.

The Trappists add yeast, too, but don't add the bacterial cultures that
give Belgian beers their character.

Post by Brad Greer
Adjuncts are acceptable in specialty beers, such as a coffee stout
the various fruit lambics produced in Belgium (where all beer rules go
out the window anyway), spice beers for the winter holidays and a few
other exceptions. None of these adjunct beers should be your main
beer, but rather something you sample from time to time for a little
variety.

I will accept corriander, orange peel and, yes wheat, in a nice White
Beer, black raspberries or black currants in a proper Imperial Stout,
and the assorted fruits used in lambics, krieks, peches, etc. from
Belgium. Other than that, it's purely barley, water, hops and yeast
for me. I have tasted some chocolate stouts that I liked, and a few
pumpkin ales that were delicious, but far more that were truly
bad......

Peace,
Neil X.

[Brad Greer]

Post by Neil X.

Post by Brad Greer
Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.
However, you do realize the Germans relaxed the Reinheitsgebot
somewhere around 1850 to allow wheat beers to be sold in Germany,
right?

Yeah, but I was betting Sweetbac didn't know that. Never let facts get
in the way of a good rant.

Sorry. Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and all that, I get it. Sweetbac,
please ignore the last two paragraphs.

Post by Neil X.

Post by Brad Greer
The Reinheitsgebot is a crock anyway, the original version
didn't allow for yeast (yeast wasn't consciously added when it was
written instead they relied on spontaneous fermentation), yet I'm sure
most beers sold in Germany today (outside any Trappist ales or the
like that they import) have yeast added.

The Trappists add yeast, too, but don't add the bacterial cultures that
give Belgian beers their character.

Sorry, reference here should have been to lambic, not Trappist (which
must be spontaneously fermented according to a Belgian decree). Of
course, lambics have a large amount of wheat, but being Belgian beers
are exempt from any general rules against such.

Post by Neil X.

Post by Brad Greer
Adjuncts are acceptable in specialty beers, such as a coffee stout
the various fruit lambics produced in Belgium (where all beer rules go
out the window anyway), spice beers for the winter holidays and a few
other exceptions. None of these adjunct beers should be your main
beer, but rather something you sample from time to time for a little
variety.

I will accept corriander, orange peel and, yes wheat, in a nice White
Beer, black raspberries or black currants in a proper Imperial Stout,
and the assorted fruits used in lambics, krieks, peches, etc. from
Belgium. Other than that, it's purely barley, water, hops and yeast
for me. I have tasted some chocolate stouts that I liked, and a few
pumpkin ales that were delicious, but far more that were truly
bad......

Agreed. Chocolate is almost impossible to use right from my brewing
experiences many years ago. I've never liked pumpkin ale, no matter
who the brewer.

[Andrew Murawa]

Post by Brad Greer

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......

Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

What a load of crap... A wheat beer is just a different style of beer..
There is nothing "wrong" per se with a wheat beer, anymore than there is
something wrong with a beer that uses "fill-in-the-blank" ingredient... This
is akin to saying that any rock and roll band that uses a saxophone (or a
harmonica or congos) is an "embarassment to the rock and roll community"...

[JC Martin]

Post by Andrew Murawa

Post by Brad Greer

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......

Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

What a load of crap... A wheat beer is just a different style of beer..
There is nothing "wrong" per se with a wheat beer, anymore than there is
something wrong with a beer that uses "fill-in-the-blank" ingredient... This
is akin to saying that any rock and roll band that uses a saxophone (or a
harmonica or congos) is an "embarassment to the rock and roll community"...

Neil is just playing the prankster beer snob today. Anyone who is an
expert of variety in the sensory arts has to play the role from time to
time.

On that note, no danky-wanky, clunky-funky riddims for me today. A nice
German Riesling Auslese and the Herbie Nichols Trio as my soundtrack
will do quiiiiiite nicely (nose up in the air).

-JC

[brew ziggins]

Post by JC Martin
On that note, no danky-wanky, clunky-funky riddims for me today. A nice
German Riesling Auslese and the Herbie Nichols Trio as my soundtrack
will do quiiiiiite nicely (nose up in the air).

First time I ever saw someone act snobbish about drinking Riesling
swill.

Herbie, on the other hand... :-)

[JC Martin]

Post by brew ziggins

Post by JC Martin
On that note, no danky-wanky, clunky-funky riddims for me today. A nice
German Riesling Auslese and the Herbie Nichols Trio as my soundtrack
will do quiiiiiite nicely (nose up in the air).

First time I ever saw someone act snobbish about drinking Riesling
swill.

Ahhh...actually German Rieslings produce come of the finest and most
complex wines in the world. And not all of them are sweet either.
Brew, you gotta get up to speed on this one. You're dead wrong. In
wine circles. Rieslings are like gold.

Post by brew ziggins
Herbie, on the other hand... :-)

I never have questioned your taste in music, though I can forgive you
for being an SCI fan since I too came under their evil pagan spell at
one time. (nose back up in the air)

Peas,
JC

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Andrew Murawa

Post by Brad Greer

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
Finally found the phenominal Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss
in 12 pack bottles($13.50) at a local liquor store.

Only pagan coyote sodomists would ruin a perfectly good beer by adding
wheat to it. This kind of behavior is appalingly all-too-common these
days.
Wheat is a gateway adjunct, my friend. This "beer" that you are
drinking cannot even legally be sold inside of Germany, because it does
not follow the rules of the Reinheitsgebot.
Once you accept the addition of wheat in your beer, you will soon find
yourself sipping ales at your local breer bar with things like
watermelon, blueberries or figs floating it them. You don't want to
end up this way, Sweetbac. Once the figs start migrating from your
pint glass to your pizzas, there is no hope left for you......

Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

What a load of crap... A wheat beer is just a different style of beer..
There is nothing "wrong" per se with a wheat beer, anymore than there is
something wrong with a beer that uses "fill-in-the-blank" ingredient... This
is akin to saying that any rock and roll band that uses a saxophone (or a
harmonica or congos) is an "embarassment to the rock and roll community"...

Neil is just playing the prankster beer snob today. Anyone who is an
expert of variety in the sensory arts has to play the role from time to
time.

I'm not sure Neil's motivation or intent, but I was definitely doing a
bit of tongue-in-cheek beer snobbery. I'm not a fan of Hefe-Weiss,
but I certainly recognize it as a legimate beer style and know that
some people are very passionate about them. I don't seek out beers
with wheat in them (or fruit, for that matter) but I'll certainly
drink them and some of them are damn good. When I brewed I
experimented with a number of adjuncts - fruits (raspberries in
particular, as my wife likes raspberry wheats), some wheat (for the
aforementioned), jalepenos (so-so results, more of a novelty beer),
coffee (for stouts) and chocolate (not very good results, a difficult
ingredient to work with). Plus spices for holiday ales, several of
which were quite tasty.

Post by JC Martin
On that note, no danky-wanky, clunky-funky riddims for me today. A nice
German Riesling Auslese and the Herbie Nichols Trio as my soundtrack
will do quiiiiiite nicely (nose up in the air).

Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

[JC Martin]

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

So tell me what you think. To me, it's a lot better than 3-4 years of
previous batches. I too have never been much of a fan. But then, I'm
not so hot on lagers as a general rule, even though I do drink and enjoy
them when it gets hot out.

-JC

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

Hey, somebody's got to do it :) Although I'll probably wait until I
get home from work today before I start drinking. Probably.

Post by JC Martin
So tell me what you think. To me, it's a lot better than 3-4 years of
previous batches. I too have never been much of a fan. But then, I'm
not so hot on lagers as a general rule, even though I do drink and enjoy
them when it gets hot out.

I generally prefer ales to lagers myself, although I allow this to
keep me from trying lagers. Over the past couple of years I've found
more lagers to my liking than I had in the past, I suppose my tastes
have changed. Or perhaps it's related to no longer brewing my own
beer - when I brewed I only brewed ales (they're easier to brew
because you don't have to worry about refrigerating them during
fermentation) so I naturally gravitated towards ales as my favorite
beers.

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

Finally got around to trying Summerfest this past weekend, I couldn't
find it in any local beer stores until then (and stumbled across it
when I wasn't looking for it in a beer store I almost never visit).
Anyway, JC, you're right about Summerfest. It's better than I
remember it being, a decent lager. Nothing I'd go out of my way to
find, but not a bad change of pace from my usual selection of ales.

[JC Martin]

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

Finally got around to trying Summerfest this past weekend, I couldn't
find it in any local beer stores until then (and stumbled across it
when I wasn't looking for it in a beer store I almost never visit).
Anyway, JC, you're right about Summerfest. It's better than I
remember it being, a decent lager. Nothing I'd go out of my way to
find, but not a bad change of pace from my usual selection of ales.

Yeah, I think the batch was just better this year. I've been drinking
North Coast's Scrimshaw for Pilsner lately though. Not bad. The thing
about beer with me is variety. I can't live without a change-up now and
then.

Peas,
JC

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

Finally got around to trying Summerfest this past weekend, I couldn't
find it in any local beer stores until then (and stumbled across it
when I wasn't looking for it in a beer store I almost never visit).
Anyway, JC, you're right about Summerfest. It's better than I
remember it being, a decent lager. Nothing I'd go out of my way to
find, but not a bad change of pace from my usual selection of ales.

Yeah, I think the batch was just better this year. I've been drinking
North Coast's Scrimshaw for Pilsner lately though. Not bad. The thing
about beer with me is variety. I can't live without a change-up now and
then.

For whatever reason this year's batch tasted better than I remembered.
Or maybe I've just developed more of a taste for lagers in general,
the last time I had Summerfest I was only interested in drinking ales.

And yeah, some variety is nice. There are a few beers I tend to go
back to time and time again (and even those beers have changed over
time) but I like to sample other brews as well, just to see what's out
there and keep things interesting.

[JC Martin]

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)

Finally got around to trying Summerfest this past weekend, I couldn't
find it in any local beer stores until then (and stumbled across it
when I wasn't looking for it in a beer store I almost never visit).
Anyway, JC, you're right about Summerfest. It's better than I
remember it being, a decent lager. Nothing I'd go out of my way to
find, but not a bad change of pace from my usual selection of ales.

Yeah, I think the batch was just better this year. I've been drinking
North Coast's Scrimshaw for Pilsner lately though. Not bad. The thing
about beer with me is variety. I can't live without a change-up now and
then.

For whatever reason this year's batch tasted better than I remembered.
Or maybe I've just developed more of a taste for lagers in general,
the last time I had Summerfest I was only interested in drinking ales.
And yeah, some variety is nice. There are a few beers I tend to go
back to time and time again (and even those beers have changed over
time) but I like to sample other brews as well, just to see what's out
there and keep things interesting.

I couldn't even drink any Pilsner until a few years ago and this year I
really came to appreciate it on a much deeper level. I even had my
first Bud (at a friend's wedding) in a bottle in nearly a decade. And
shit, I was getting hints of banana and pear from the dain stuff.
Tasted pretty good under a 100 degree sun ray, I tell ya. Go figure.
Dare I try Miller next??? Ummm...no.

-JC

[DGDevin]

Post by JC Martin
Yeah, I think the batch was just better this year. I've been drinking
North Coast's Scrimshaw for Pilsner lately though. Not bad. The thing
about beer with me is variety. I can't live without a change-up now and
then.
Peas,
JC

Yup, I've been into those fizzy-widget ales like Boddingtons and Tetley's
lately, and it's nice to do something different for variety, tried some
Quilmes from Argentina last night, cold and crisp, a nice contrast to the
creamy ale thing.

[Ken Fortenberry]

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking ...

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. ;-)

[Rogues Island's finest]

Post by Ken Fortenberry

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking ...

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. ;-)

Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....

Mark

[JC Martin]

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Post by Ken Fortenberry

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking ...

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. ;-)

Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....
Mark

Hiccup!

-JC

[Joe]

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Post by Ken Fortenberry

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking ...

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. ;-)

Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....

Why am I not surprised that you call Kent Dinkleberry "my honey"?

[Ken Fortenberry]

Post by Joe

Post by Rogues Island's finest

Post by Ken Fortenberry

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking ...

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. ;-)

Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....

Why am I not surprised that you call Kent Dinkleberry "my honey"?

Why Joe, I do believe you're jealous. ;-)

[RickNBarbInSD]

Post by Rogues Island's finest
Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....
Mark

Where have all the pilsners gone today....

Rick

[brew ziggins]

Post by RickNBarbInSD

Post by Rogues Island's finest
Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....
Mark

Where have all the pilsners gone today....

I thought I drank a Molson Dry this morning

[Rogues Island's finest]

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Post by RickNBarbInSD

Post by Rogues Island's finest
Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....
Mark

Where have all the pilsners gone today....

I thought I drank a Molson Dry this morning

I know I won't have another Molson today

Mark

[RickNBarbInSD]

Post by brew ziggins

Post by RickNBarbInSD

Post by Rogues Island's finest
Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey....
Mark

Where have all the pilsners gone today....

I thought I drank a Molson Dry this morning

Morning Brew


Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey
Wake me up, with a morning brew, today.
I can't wake you up, with a morning brew, my honey,
I can't wake you up, with a morning brew, today.

I thought I drank a Molson Dry, this morning
I thought I drank a Molson Dry, today
You didn't drink no Molson Dry, this morning,
You didn't drink no Molson Dry, today.

Where have all the pilsners gone, my honey
Where have all the pilsners gone, today.
There's no need for you to be worrying about all those pilsners,
You never drink those pilsners anyway.

I thought I drank a Belgian Ale, this morning
I thought I drank a Belgian Ale, today.
I thought I drank a Belgian Ale, this morning,
I can't wake you up with a morning brew, today.

Wake me up, with a morning brew, my honey
Wake me up, with a morning brew, today.
I can't wake you up, with a morning brew, my honey,
I guess it doesn't really matter anyway,
I guess it doesn't matter anyway,
I guess it doesn't matter anyway,
Guess it doesn't matter anyway.

[Brad Greer]

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)
So tell me what you think. To me, it's a lot better than 3-4 years of
previous batches. I too have never been much of a fan. But then, I'm
not so hot on lagers as a general rule, even though I do drink and enjoy
them when it gets hot out.

Did not try Summerfest this weekend, none of the liquor stores I
stopped in had it. Went with Smuttynose IPA instead (very tasty).

[Andrew Murawa]

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Brad Greer
Sierra Nevada Summerfest (per your recommendation) and some '85 Dead
(just finished downloading the second set DVD of 11/8/85, can't wait
to watch that She Belongs to Me).

Brad, isn't it a little early in the day to be drinking Summerfest??? :-)
So tell me what you think. To me, it's a lot better than 3-4 years of
previous batches. I too have never been much of a fan. But then, I'm
not so hot on lagers as a general rule, even though I do drink and enjoy
them when it gets hot out.

Did not try Summerfest this weekend, none of the liquor stores I
stopped in had it. Went with Smuttynose IPA instead (very tasty).

I had an interesting little beer this weekend: Bert Grant's Fresh Hop Ale, a
seasonal ale from perhaps my favorite brewpub in the nation, Yakima Brewing
Company... Anyway, this Fresh Hop Ale is a seasonal single hop ale, made
with Cascades, and apparently released sometime in the fall, I would
assume... Even if this thing has been sitting on store shelves for 8 months,
this is still a pretty spectacular beer... Nice and crisp, and instead of
the overwhelming bitterness of an IPA, this thing is so pleasantly floral it
is amazing... I mean, after about 4 of these on Friday night, I was uttering
such nonsense as "this may well be the single best beer ever made..." Hell,
even yesterday, after going back to the store and buying the rest of their
supply of this wonderful beer, I was still humming the same tune... A pretty
damn unique and amazing beer from a pretty damn unique and amazing brewer
(dog rest his soul) and brewing company...

[Andrew Murawa]

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Andrew Murawa

Post by Brad Greer
Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

What a load of crap... A wheat beer is just a different style of beer..
There is nothing "wrong" per se with a wheat beer, anymore than there is
something wrong with a beer that uses "fill-in-the-blank" ingredient... This
is akin to saying that any rock and roll band that uses a saxophone (or a
harmonica or congos) is an "embarassment to the rock and roll community"...

Neil is just playing the prankster beer snob today. Anyone who is an
expert of variety in the sensory arts has to play the role from time to
time.

I'm not sure Neil's motivation or intent, but I was definitely doing a
bit of tongue-in-cheek beer snobbery. I'm not a fan of Hefe-Weiss,
but I certainly recognize it as a legimate beer style and know that
some people are very passionate about them. I don't seek out beers
with wheat in them (or fruit, for that matter) but I'll certainly
drink them and some of them are damn good.

Now that makes much more sense...

[Brad Greer]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:58:48 -0700, "Andrew Murawa"

Post by Andrew Murawa

Post by Brad Greer

Post by JC Martin

Post by Andrew Murawa

Post by Brad Greer
Gateway adjunct indeed. Wheat beer is an embarassment to the brewing
community, a lame-ass way of somehow "mellowing" the beer or some such
shit. No Hefe-Weiss could ever rightly be considered the best beer
ever by anyone who actually appreciates beer.

What a load of crap... A wheat beer is just a different style of beer..
There is nothing "wrong" per se with a wheat beer, anymore than there is
something wrong with a beer that uses "fill-in-the-blank" ingredient... This
is akin to saying that any rock and roll band that uses a saxophone (or a
harmonica or congos) is an "embarassment to the rock and roll community"...

Neil is just playing the prankster beer snob today. Anyone who is an
expert of variety in the sensory arts has to play the role from time to
time.

I'm not sure Neil's motivation or intent, but I was definitely doing a
bit of tongue-in-cheek beer snobbery. I'm not a fan of Hefe-Weiss,
but I certainly recognize it as a legimate beer style and know that
some people are very passionate about them. I don't seek out beers
with wheat in them (or fruit, for that matter) but I'll certainly
drink them and some of them are damn good.

Now that makes much more sense...

Sorry, I'll try to fix that in my next post.

[Neil X.]

Post by Brad Greer
I'm not sure Neil's motivation or intent, but I was definitely doing a
bit of tongue-in-cheek beer snobbery.

I was just yanking Sweetbac's chain. Ya see, when I met him in the
Haight for an afternoon of drinking at his (and now my) favorite
watering hole (namely the Toronado), there were 40-50 different beers
on tap. Each round, I tried a different beer. Each round, Kelly drank
a Franziskaner HefeWeisen. He never went for anything else the whole
time......

And no, I really don't care much for wheat-containing beers, Belgian
Whites excepted.

So it was an obvious choice for a rant.

Peace,
Neil X.

[Dave Kelly]

Post by Neil X.
I was just yanking Sweetbac's chain. Ya see, when I met him in the
Haight for an afternoon of drinking at his (and now my) favorite
watering hole (namely the Toronado), there were 40-50 different beers
on tap. Each round, I tried a different beer. Each round, Kelly drank
a Franziskaner HefeWeisen. He never went for anything else the whole
time......

I held my tongue..... until NOW!
SURE...you chose a different beer each round....
why not experiment?....YOU weren't paying for it!
So WHAT if 1/2 the beer went either on the bar, the floor
or all over your patched denim shirt!....trying to have a normal
conversation proved futile after a while...HE was more interested
in chatting up the an empty bar stool next to us....someone named
"Binky".....his imaginary friend from "String Cheese Tour"
Whatever.
When he DID snap out of his blackout, the conversation went
a little something like this....
"Pardon me, barkeep...can you put a head on this Sam Adams Lite?
....I KNOW 1/2 the pint is gone....I can SEE that...you gonna help
me out or not, Brah?.....OK!...OK!....I'll have a pint of Michelob...
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT SERVE
MICHELOB....WHAT KINDA FUCKED UP JOINT IS THIS?"
This went on for 3-4 hours...sam adams>michelob>bud ice>genesse
cream ale>hamms dark>mickeys big mouth....he smuggled in the
mickeys from the corner store...I basically sat there quafing my glass
of Franziskaner and watched the twisted show...I excused myself
to use the mens room, and slid out a back entrance....$80 lighter.
This is an afternoon I shant forget, that I ASSURE you.

Sweetbac Productions

[Neil X.]

Post by Dave Kelly
I held my tongue..... until NOW!
SURE...you chose a different beer each round...
sam adams>michelob>bud ice>genesse
cream ale>hamms dark>mickeys big mouth....

I've been called a lot of foul, slimy things through the years, but I
don't think anyone has EVER been as deliberately hurtful as this.
Michelob? BUD ICE?!?!

Some things, once said, simply cannot be taken back.

I'm glad that damn aardvark of yours is dead. And I'm even gladder
that I was the reason why it jumped off Golden Gate Bridge.

Peace,
Neil X.

[p***@hotmail.com]

Beer................the great divider.

[JimK]

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
I held my tongue..... until NOW!
SURE...you chose a different beer each round...
sam adams>michelob>bud ice>genesse
cream ale>hamms dark>mickeys big mouth....

I've been called a lot of foul, slimy things through the years, but I
don't think anyone has EVER been as deliberately hurtful as this.
Michelob? BUD ICE?!?!
Some things, once said, simply cannot be taken back.
I'm glad that damn aardvark of yours is dead. And I'm even gladder
that I was the reason why it jumped off Golden Gate Bridge.
Peace,
Neil X.

Real aardvarks use the Bay Bridge.

JimK

[Rogues Island's finest]

Post by JimK

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
I held my tongue..... until NOW!
SURE...you chose a different beer each round...
sam adams>michelob>bud ice>genesse
cream ale>hamms dark>mickeys big mouth....

I've been called a lot of foul, slimy things through the years, but I
don't think anyone has EVER been as deliberately hurtful as this.
Michelob? BUD ICE?!?!
Some things, once said, simply cannot be taken back.
I'm glad that damn aardvark of yours is dead. And I'm even gladder
that I was the reason why it jumped off Golden Gate Bridge.
Peace,
Neil X.

Real aardvarks use the Bay Bridge.

Upper level.

Mark

[brew ziggins]

Post by Rogues Island's finest

Post by JimK

Post by Neil X.

Post by Dave Kelly
I held my tongue..... until NOW!
SURE...you chose a different beer each round...
sam adams>michelob>bud ice>genesse
cream ale>hamms dark>mickeys big mouth....

I've been called a lot of foul, slimy things through the years, but I
don't think anyone has EVER been as deliberately hurtful as this.
Michelob? BUD ICE?!?!
Some things, once said, simply cannot be taken back.
I'm glad that damn aardvark of yours is dead. And I'm even gladder
that I was the reason why it jumped off Golden Gate Bridge.
Peace,
Neil X.

Real aardvarks use the Bay Bridge.

Upper level.

Suicidal aardvarks were better in the 70's

[k***@yahoo.com]

Finally found the phenominal...

The weekend is here. My recommendation for a
case from the package store:

6pk Weeping Radish Wheat - This one is a crap shoot
for east coasters only. It must be fresh (check the
date) , and it must be refridgerated. They tweak the
recipe a bit every year, but this American made German
style wheat will dispel the idea that great wheat beers
can only be made overseas. Phenomenal stuff. We served
it at our wedding (July in NC). Remember: check the
date and refridgeration.
http://www.weepingradish.com/beer2.html

6pk "Berliner Weisse" - There is one at our local store
that for the life of me I cannot remember. I checked the
web, and it appears to be Schultheiss Berliner Weisse
although the label changed a bit. This is definitely the
"out there" beer of the case. Similar to a real lambic
in mouth puckering. The other one I found online is
Berliner Kindl Weiss.
http://www.schultheiss.de/produkte/berliner_weisse/

6pk Stoudts Double IPA - I got this recently and it is
a keeper. It's in the imperial (high %) IPA style. This
one rings in at 10%.
http://www.stoudtsbeer.com/1-bottle-conditioned.asp#2

6pk Lost Coast 8-Ball Stout - I am sure there are tastier
west coast stouts, but this one has been a favorite since
it came into our area (NC). The Indica Pale Ale is another
great beer, but that's for another weekend.
http://www.lostcoast.com/

Whew! My work is done. I need to go home.

Kurt

PS - Auslese? I'd go with a gewurtz.