The bells! The bells!

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

[BrritSki]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

What is simpler than a bell ? ;)

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

They might attract experienced ringers? Poach some or some dormant
ones.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

[Mike]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

I expect training courses are going like the clappers.

[Btms]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

Sing Something Simple. Mad dash for the off button.

[Chris B]

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

Sing Something Simple. Mad dash for the off button.

Just like that other old favourite "Poetry Click"

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Chris B

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

Sing Something Simple. Mad dash for the off button.

Just like that other old favourite "Poetry Click"

And that TV soap, Neigh-clunk.

[Mike Headon]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Chris B

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

 Sing Something Simple.  Mad dash for the off button.

Just like that other old favourite "Poetry Click"

And that TV soap, Neigh-clunk.

And, going back a few years - The Billy Click show.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

Sing Something Simple. Mad dash for the off button.

I was being facetious, I remembered the name very well, as well as the
loathing it provoked in lots of people (and I think others liked it
too).

Is it even _possible_ to ring something simple?

It occurs to me that there must have been some very dodgy ringing on and
just after armistice day, as the ringers wouldn't have been able to
practice.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Those at home could practice on silenced bells. My father began learning in WW2 in that way but it did not retain his interest. But he passed away Ringing book on to me.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Those at home could practice on silenced bells. My father began learning in WW2 in that way but it did not retain his interest. But he passed a Ringing book on to me.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Those at home could practice on silenced bells. My father began learning in WW2 in that way but it did not retain his interest. But he passed a Ringing book on to me.

Once, on a working trip to Glasgow, we had time to fill before
some overnight runs with a test train. I accompanied my boss (a
keen ringer) to a tower where the bells were silenced, but there
were a set of small and tinny repeaters in the chamber - a
bizarre experience.

Chris

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Post by Chris J Dixon
Once, on a working trip to Glasgow, we had time to fill before
some overnight runs with a test train. I accompanied my boss (a
keen ringer) to a tower where the bells were silenced, but there
were a set of small and tinny repeaters in the chamber - a
bizarre experience.
Chris

We are a 21st century tower here! There are detectors in the bell-chamber and bell-like noises from a computer in the ringing chamber.

[Nick Odell]

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

"Ring something simple" - wasn't there a prog. (Sunday early evenings)
with a title something like that (-:?

Sing Something Simple. Mad dash for the off button.

IIRC Dead Ringers performed a hilarious skit on Sing Something Simple.
The Cliff Adama Singers had all been fired and in order to earn a living
had resorted to armed robbery

Nick

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Post by Nick Odell
IIRC Dead Ringers performed a hilarious skit on Sing Something Simple.
The Cliff Adama Singers had all been fired and in order to earn a living
had resorted to armed robbery

And there's always the Wagner opera "The Masterringers of Nuremberg"

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
And there's always the Wagner opera "The Masterringers of Nuremberg"

Specifically, the list of mastersong modes that David recites to Walther in Act I scene 2 always reminds me of a list of Methods.

[the Omrud]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

<Sings>

Ring something simple,
As cares go by.
Ring something simple,
Just you and Ambridge.

[the Omrud]

Post by the Omrud

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something
really simple.

<Sings>
Ring something simple,
As cares go by.
Ring something simple,
Just you and Ambridge.

Ooops, sorry, should read ahead. Am catching up after a couple of weeks
in France.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

The Prestbury ringers were discussing this after Practice tonight and general opinion was that such quick training of beginners is impossible.

[Penny]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

The Prestbury ringers were discussing this after Practice tonight and general opinion was that such quick training of beginners is impossible.

Living across the road from a church for 30 years, the only time I noticed
their practice nights was when they had new ringers in training - they
agreed to baffle the bells for me.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Penny

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

The Prestbury ringers were discussing this after Practice tonight and
general opinion was that such quick training of beginners is impossible.

Living across the road from a church for 30 years, the only time I noticed
their practice nights was when they had new ringers in training - they
agreed to baffle the bells for me.

How did they do that? Ask them difficult questions?

[krw]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Penny

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
I see from the new Radio Times that the Ambridge ringers are to try to
recruit new ringers to ring for Armistice Day. Thta would be
implausibly quick training, unless they propose to ring something really simple.

The Prestbury ringers were discussing this after Practice tonight and
general opinion was that such quick training of beginners is impossible.

Living across the road from a church for 30 years, the only time I noticed
their practice nights was when they had new ringers in training - they
agreed to baffle the bells for me.

How did they do that? Ask them difficult questions?

When I learned to ring I don't remember it being that long before I was
doing it regular - not that we went for huge complicated changes as I
recall. Only 6 bells.

[Penny]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:07:44 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

Post by krw
not that we went for huge complicated changes as I
recall. Only 6 bells.

I'd have thought the permutations and combinations of 6 bells could get
quite complicated - 720? Though you get into millions once you have 10 or
more.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw
not that we went for huge complicated changes as I
recall. Only 6 bells.

I'd have thought the permutations and combinations of 6 bells could get
quite complicated - 720? Though you get into millions once you have 10 or
more.

Did you get that from 6!, i. e. 6×5×4×3×2(×1)? But what makes
change-ringing so complicated is that you can't easily _get_ to all the
combinations: because of the inertia of the bells and their mechanism,
you can generally only change the period of any one bell .by a small
amount: you can go from 87654321 to 87654231, say. So I'm not sure if
all sequences are possible.

(Though thinking about it, they probably are - but you have to sequence
them in a complex order. The bell that rings fifth out of eight can only
move to fourth or sixth on the next peal, or something like that. Sort
of Gray code.)

[Penny]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:33:54 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw
not that we went for huge complicated changes as I
recall. Only 6 bells.

I'd have thought the permutations and combinations of 6 bells could get
quite complicated - 720? Though you get into millions once you have 10 or
more.

Did you get that from 6!, i. e. 6×5×4×3×2(×1)?

Well I would have done but CBA and Wikipedia obliged.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
But what makes
change-ringing so complicated is that you can't easily _get_ to all the
combinations: because of the inertia of the bells and their mechanism,
you can generally only change the period of any one bell .by a small
amount: you can go from 87654321 to 87654231, say. So I'm not sure if
all sequences are possible.

I'm inclined to agree although Wikipedia claims 40,320 for 8 bells (and
3,626,800 for 10), as do other sources.

This page https://plus.maths.org/content/ringing-changes has a nice
illustrated piece on the subject, obeying the 'rule' of each bell only
changes places with the bell next to it.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(Though thinking about it, they probably are - but you have to sequence
them in a complex order. The bell that rings fifth out of eight can only
move to fourth or sixth on the next peal, or something like that. Sort
of Gray code.)

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Bride 35 minutes late for wedding this pm, to the annoyance òf ringers, rector and organist. Choir not involved.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

A little adventure at Prestbury, which TA might want to duplicate at Ambridge.

Apparently a tank of water on which the organ's humidifier depends has run dry. It lives in the clock-chamber of the tower, the level between the ringing chamber and the bell chamber. I, an organist, a churchwarden and her husband and a retired churchwarden were down there all evening running hoses down the ladders and steps and across the churchyard to a tap. The person who dealt with it last time is away so a great many hoses had to be tried before ones that connected properly were found. A clock-winder who turned up meanwhile had to be turned away.

Perhaps on TA someone could fall off a ladder or the church could be flooded?

[Mike]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
A little adventure at Prestbury, which TA might want to duplicate at Ambridge.
Apparently a tank of water on which the organ's humidifier depends has
run dry. It lives in the clock-chamber of the tower, the level between
the ringing chamber and the bell chamber. I, an organist, a churchwarden
and her husband and a retired churchwarden were down there all evening
running hoses down the ladders and steps and across the churchyard to a
tap. The person who dealt with it last time is away so a great many hoses
had to be tried before ones that connected properly were found. A
clock-winder who turned up meanwhile had to be turned away.
Perhaps on TA someone could fall off a ladder or the church could be flooded?

Round here the mains water pressure probably would reach the tower at the
mo.!☹️☹️

[Mike]

Post by Mike

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
A little adventure at Prestbury, which TA might want to duplicate at Ambridge.
Apparently a tank of water on which the organ's humidifier depends has
run dry. It lives in the clock-chamber of the tower, the level between
the ringing chamber and the bell chamber. I, an organist, a churchwarden
and her husband and a retired churchwarden were down there all evening
running hoses down the ladders and steps and across the churchyard to a
tap. The person who dealt with it last time is away so a great many hoses
had to be tried before ones that connected properly were found. A
clock-winder who turned up meanwhile had to be turned away.
Perhaps on TA someone could fall off a ladder or the church could be flooded?

Round here the mains water pressure probably would reach the tower at the
mo.!☹️☹️

****Wouldn’t****

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Bride 35 minutes late for wedding this pm, to the annoyance òf ringers, rector and organist. Choir not involved.

Yesterday I was not myself rostered to ring at a village wedding (and indeed was away in Liverpool) but I am told by the band that the bride was 80 minutes late.

The ringers left with the rector's consent after 60 minutes delay (and heard later that the total delay was 80. Choir apparently not involved but organist stayed.

I wonder what the kitchens at the reception did.

Did any married umrattette ever arrive so late for her own wedding?

I suggest the Ambridge ringers be given a similar adventure at some stage.

[Fenny]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:29:54 -0700 (PDT), "***@gmail.com
Tony Smith Prestbury Glos." <***@gmail.com> wrote:

< snip tale of bridal tardiness >

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Did any married umrattette ever arrive so late for her own wedding?

I think I may have mentioned before that Pa disappeared on the morning
of his wedding.

My parental units tied the knot in Ma's home town - a small mill town
north of Keighley. There was only one wedding car in the town, so the
practice was for the car to collect the groom and deliver him to the
church, then go to fetch the bride.

The nuptials took place on the Saturday before Christmas almost 60
years ago. As it was cold, Pa had packed a pair of thick light grey
woollen socks to wear. As he was dressing in the morning, his father
came in and decreed the socks to be unsuitable as they didn't match
the charcoal grey suit.

Pa and his brother, who was acting as Best Man, decided to go and buy
some new socks before the ceremony and they walk to the church.
Unfortunately, they didn't bother to inform anyone of their plan. So
when the car turned up, neither was to be found and nobody knew where
they were. Some enterprising person must have thought to make
enquiries at the church, where they had arrived on foot some time
earlier, so the car was eventually sent off to pick up the bridal
party.

If photographic evidence is to be believed, everyone finally turned up
and the deed was done. There is a photo of everyone who attended the
wedding and reception - 35 includng their two small godchildren. Ma
can still name everyone in the picture except the one person who is
standing directly behind Ma and whose face is obscured by Ma's veil.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@4ax.com>, Fenny
<***@removethis.gmail.com> writes:
[]

Post by Fenny
If photographic evidence is to be believed, everyone finally turned up
and the deed was done. There is a photo of everyone who attended the
wedding and reception - 35 includng their two small godchildren. Ma
can still name everyone in the picture except the one person who is
standing directly behind Ma and whose face is obscured by Ma's veil.

That _is_ impressive.

Speaking as a genealogist: next time she performs this feat, _write
down_ all the identities (and in a form that can be used to tell which
is which), ideally with their relationship (e. g. to the Bride and
Groom), and keep the information with the photo. [If scanned, it can be
embedded in the file of a JPEG (IC in IrfanView, something equivalent in
other viewer/editors).]

[SODAM]

Post by Fenny
< snip tale of bridal tardiness >

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Did any married umrattette ever arrive so late for her own wedding?

I think I may have mentioned before that Pa disappeared on the morning
of his wedding.
My parental units tied the knot in Ma's home town - a small mill town
north of Keighley. There was only one wedding car in the town, so the
practice was for the car to collect the groom and deliver him to the
church, then go to fetch the bride.
The nuptials took place on the Saturday before Christmas almost 60
years ago. As it was cold, Pa had packed a pair of thick light grey
woollen socks to wear. As he was dressing in the morning, his father
came in and decreed the socks to be unsuitable as they didn't match
the charcoal grey suit.
Pa and his brother, who was acting as Best Man, decided to go and buy
some new socks before the ceremony and they walk to the church.
Unfortunately, they didn't bother to inform anyone of their plan. So
when the car turned up, neither was to be found and nobody knew where
they were. Some enterprising person must have thought to make
enquiries at the church, where they had arrived on foot some time
earlier, so the car was eventually sent off to pick up the bridal
party.
If photographic evidence is to be believed, everyone finally turned up
and the deed was done. There is a photo of everyone who attended the
wedding and reception - 35 includng their two small godchildren. Ma
can still name everyone in the picture except the one person who is
standing directly behind Ma and whose face is obscured by Ma's veil.

#2 daughter’s bridal Rolls Royce broke down outside our house. The driver
said it was the battery. We took the battery out of my new Mini Metro and
inserted it into the Rolls. Meantime, the bridesmaids stood about, waiting.
The church was only about half and mile away, so the plan had been to take
them and me first, then come back for the bride. Time was passing. Their
posies and garlands were made from such fragrant roses that they became the
target of many bees. We stood in the road in our finery, watching the
driver fit the battery and swatting at the bees.

The large house opposite was used as a care home and, while the residents
gathered in the garden and watched with interest, the owner came over and
offered to take the bridesmaids and me to the church in her Rover. We all
arrived at the same time only slightly late and not too much dishevelled.

[Penny]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Bride 35 minutes late for wedding this pm, to the annoyance òf ringers, rector and organist. Choir not involved.

Yesterday I was not myself rostered to ring at a village wedding (and indeed was away in Liverpool) but I am told by the band that the bride was 80 minutes late.
The ringers left with the rector's consent after 60 minutes delay (and heard later that the total delay was 80. Choir apparently not involved but organist stayed.
I wonder what the kitchens at the reception did.

Niles reported elsewhere yesterday that the wedding he was ringing at/for
had been rescheduled, put back by an hour. Nobody had told the ringers.

[Mike]

Post by Penny

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Bride 35 minutes late for wedding this pm, to the annoyance òf ringers,
rector and organist. Choir not involved.

Yesterday I was not myself rostered to ring at a village wedding (and
indeed was away in Liverpool) but I am told by the band that the bride
was 80 minutes late.
The ringers left with the rector's consent after 60 minutes delay (and
heard later that the total delay was 80. Choir apparently not involved
but organist stayed.
I wonder what the kitchens at the reception did.

Niles reported elsewhere yesterday that the wedding he was ringing at/for
had been rescheduled, put back by an hour. Nobody had told the ringers.

Perhaps the bride had to milk the coos....

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw
not that we went for huge complicated changes as I
recall. Only 6 bells.

I'd have thought the permutations and combinations of 6 bells could get
quite complicated - 720? Though you get into millions once you have 10 or
more.

Where’s Niles when we need him!

Sincerely Chris