COUNTERFEITING: The Non-Issue

[TC]

Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
Why?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050818/ts_usatoday/digitalimagingchangesf
aceofcounterfeitbills

I've noticed a lot of businesses out there won't take the old $100 bills, or
even $50 bills.

Are they nuts?

They lose more to in-store theft than they would through the occasional
rubber $50 bill.

Counterfeit money is rare. So rare in fact, 0.008 % of the currency in
circulation has been deemed counterfeit.

That is PEANUTS!

*Completely* acceptable business losses.

Ask any business owner if they'd like to have that rate of loss due to theft
in their business. If theft were that low there'd be no need for any store
security!

Seeing as how counterfeit money is such a non-issue, then why is it being
made an issue - continually.

Create a perceived threat to offer a solution. We'll continually hear more
about the counterfeit currency 'problem', sandwiched between how bad I.D.
theft is.

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47201,00.html

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XIEK5YTBFK
QSAQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=52601473

My guess is that the next spin on counterfeiting will be that the
"terrorists" are using counterfeit money to fund their cause.

Oooooooooo... those evil terrorists.

The solution to I.D. theft and counterfeiting? An implantable microchip
containing all your personal and financial information of course, mingled
with layer upon layer of biometrics protocols wired into a centralized
system. Think of it as a credit card under your skin - "for your safety!".

In this cashless microchipped world, if you aren't a "good boy" someone in
the central collective shuts off your ability to live your life. All at the
flick of a switch. No food, no travel... a virtual blacklist wherever you
go. Owe on your parking tickets? Then you can't enjoy that hockey game
because they won't let you buy any. How about if you owe on your back taxes?
Child support?

Think 'Minority Report'.

I have an answer to I.D. theft.

Don't own a credit card.

I don't and never will have one. Why should I practice credit... I have
money with which to pay!!!

If I can't afford something, I don't buy. Simple.

It sure is less convenient sometimes not having a credit card, that is for
sure. But so what. It is a trade-off. Just like there are times when a cell
phone could be useful. But somehow, someway I manage. I am not keen to
holding a mini microwave oven up my head thanks (mind you, widespread cell
phone use could explain the mental defects with some newsgroupies in here) .

I don't have a credit card, but then again I don't have an identity theft
problem either, nor will I ever.

Credit cards didn't exist before the 1950's. How'd folks live their lives
then? Before credit cards showed up, there wasn't the rampant consumer debt
either. Guess who benefits from indebting others, kids?

Cell phones and credit cards are less convenient in the long run.

[Greg Carr]

It is a serious issue. The only reason it hasn't got any worse is that
getting caught results in jail time. A Mr.Strenja in Maple Ridge was
caught paying off his court fines with counterfiet money. He is an HA
associatte of all things. I have accepted phoney American money when I
worked a till. When the boss pointed it out to me I noticed it as it
was of poor quality. He gave it to his mother in law who tried to pass
it in Blaine, Washington and was caught. They were going to call the
sheriff but she freaked out and they decided just to destroy it.

Some fool managed to steal a $50,000 photocopier and used it print
counterfiet 20's. He used some of those 20's to pay for a hooker who
serviced him on a mattress in his Union St Apartment in East Van. When
she was arrested for using the phony bills she told the cops where the
apartment was and they found $97,000 in phony bills, a mattress, the
photocopier and nothing else. It is a lot harder now to make fake
paper than it used to be and it is a good thing that the authorities
are trying so hard to crack down on it.

Ed Larson the "Christian" radio talk show host was convinced the new
$100 American bill was part of a satanic plot and was selling
advertising time for Monex the gold coin people. The insinuation being
that the printed money would be useless so buy gold.

Friend of mine was nailed with a $7,000 tax bill because someone used
his stolen identity to find work and my buddy eneded up being liable
for the taxes. He was able to straighten it up but it was an unneeded
hassle.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:14:56 -0500, "TC"
<***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote:

>Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
>Why?
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050818/ts_usatoday/digitalimagingchangesf
>aceofcounterfeitbills
>
>I've noticed a lot of businesses out there won't take the old $100 bills, or
>even $50 bills.
>
>Are they nuts?
>
>They lose more to in-store theft than they would through the occasional
>rubber $50 bill.
>
>Counterfeit money is rare. So rare in fact, 0.008 % of the currency in
>circulation has been deemed counterfeit.
>
>That is PEANUTS!
>
>*Completely* acceptable business losses.
>
>Ask any business owner if they'd like to have that rate of loss due to theft
>in their business. If theft were that low there'd be no need for any store
>security!
>
>Seeing as how counterfeit money is such a non-issue, then why is it being
>made an issue - continually.
>
>Create a perceived threat to offer a solution. We'll continually hear more
>about the counterfeit currency 'problem', sandwiched between how bad I.D.
>theft is.
>
>http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47201,00.html
>
>http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=XIEK5YTBFK
>QSAQSNDBCSKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=52601473
>
>My guess is that the next spin on counterfeiting will be that the
>"terrorists" are using counterfeit money to fund their cause.
>
>Oooooooooo... those evil terrorists.
>
>The solution to I.D. theft and counterfeiting? An implantable microchip
>containing all your personal and financial information of course, mingled
>with layer upon layer of biometrics protocols wired into a centralized
>system. Think of it as a credit card under your skin - "for your safety!".
>
>In this cashless microchipped world, if you aren't a "good boy" someone in
>the central collective shuts off your ability to live your life. All at the
>flick of a switch. No food, no travel... a virtual blacklist wherever you
>go. Owe on your parking tickets? Then you can't enjoy that hockey game
>because they won't let you buy any. How about if you owe on your back taxes?
>Child support?
>
>Think 'Minority Report'.
>
>I have an answer to I.D. theft.
>
>Don't own a credit card.
>
>I don't and never will have one. Why should I practice credit... I have
>money with which to pay!!!
>
>If I can't afford something, I don't buy. Simple.
>
>It sure is less convenient sometimes not having a credit card, that is for
>sure. But so what. It is a trade-off. Just like there are times when a cell
>phone could be useful. But somehow, someway I manage. I am not keen to
>holding a mini microwave oven up my head thanks (mind you, widespread cell
>phone use could explain the mental defects with some newsgroupies in here) .
>
>I don't have a credit card, but then again I don't have an identity theft
>problem either, nor will I ever.
>
>Credit cards didn't exist before the 1950's. How'd folks live their lives
>then? Before credit cards showed up, there wasn't the rampant consumer debt
>either. Guess who benefits from indebting others, kids?
>
>Cell phones and credit cards are less convenient in the long run.
>

[Defender of Enormous Manhood]

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"TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote in message
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> Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
> Why?
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050818/ts_usatoday/digitalimagingchangesf
> aceofcounterfeitbills
>
> I've noticed a lot of businesses out there won't take the old $100 bills,
> or
> even $50 bills.
>
> Are they nuts?
>
> They lose more to in-store theft than they would through the occasional
> rubber $50 bill.
>
> Counterfeit money is rare. So rare in fact, 0.008 % of the currency in
> circulation has been deemed counterfeit.
>
> That is PEANUTS!

Well in 1995 in the USA the number of $20 bills detected as counterfeit was
1%.
But 10 years later, with digital technology advances now 40% of all $20
dollar bills are detected as counterfeir.

http://www.bankofinternet.com/QuickHelp/us20new.asp

But globally you are correct. Only 1 or 2 out of every 10,000 bills is fake.
That really is not much.

And Canada has never really had a bad counterfeiting problem compared to
other nations.
http://temagami.carleton.ca/jmc/cnews/21032003/n3.shtml

But in 2000 the problem was starting to raise eyebrows as the amount was
into the millions 3.7 milion dollars in fake $50's and $100, mostly.
Now the idea behind counterfitting is not to buy goods and services, but to
break a $50, or $100, spending as little as you can, and getting back REAL
money. You pass one bill at a time, and that means you visit a different
place to pass each bill. $3.7 million, passing only hundreds could possibly
affect as many as 37,000 different businesses. And passing $50's could
affect 74,000 businesses. By 2001 the amount of conterfeit cash detected
amounted to $6,000,000CAD. That would increase the numbers of businesses
affected. And by 2002, 12,000 more counterfeit bills were collected than in
all of 2001. So obviously the amount of counterfeit money s increasing
quickly, at quite dramatic rates. It is a problem having legal tender denied
for payment. But it's all about perception. Many busineses have lost money
due to accepting counterfeit $100, $50, and even lesser donominations. They
lose the murchandise that was fradulently tendered. And they lose the
tender, which is forged and valueless. The incidents are increasing,
dramatically.

I doubt too many car dealerships have received counterfiet bills. But say
you sell an item averaging $5. And you lose $95 plus the mechandise each
time a $100 bill is passed., or $45+ on a $50, you can lose a lot of money
and merchandise fast if you only get a few a day. And your business will be
targeted more often if you have items that have low value, to maximize the
real money you will give away. Sure the problem is not that bad. But the
perception is bad. So the merchants institute a policy to protect their
margins and profits, with the perception that it is bad and getting worse.
Which is fairly accurate. Even though the amount of money is neglegable.

[Inner Vision]

Defender of Enormous Manhood <***@rogers.com> wrote in
message: news:<kMKdnZ2dnZ1trt3BnZ2dnWWXmN6dnZ2dRVn-***@rogers.com>
>Well in 1995 in the USA the number of $20 bills detected as counterfeit was
>1%.
>But 10 years later, with digital technology advances now 40% of all $20
>dollar bills are detected as counterfeir.
>
>http://www.bankofinternet.com/QuickHelp/us20new.asp
>
Wrong.


In 1995, less than 1 percent of counterfeit notes detected in the U.S. were
digitally produced, but by 2002, that number had grown to nearly 40 percent.

To stay ahead of counterfeiters, enhancement of the designs of our money has
become an ongoing process, with new designs to be introduced every 7-10
years.

About the New Color of Money
US 20 Dollar Bill Last redesigned in 1998, the redesigned $20 note will be
the first of this series to be issued, in late 2003. The new design will make
it more burdensome for counterfeiters to produce phony bills and will be
safer, smarter and more secure:
* Safer because they're harder to fake and easier to check.
* Smarter to stay ahead of tech-savvy counterfeiters.
* More Secure to protect the integrity of U.S. currency.

Older-design $20 notes will gradually be replaced by new-design notes,
although both will continue to be legal currency at full face value. New
designs for the $50 note will follow in 2004 and the $100 notes in 2005. A
redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a redesign
of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.

[John Fleming]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:24 -0400, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, Inner Vision <***@nexos.net> wrote:

> $A redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a redesign
> $of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.

Notes with a face value of $1 or $2 are hardly worth a counterfeiter's
time.

That said, Defender does sum up the issue around a counterfeiter buying
small amounts of merchandise with large-ish fake bank notes to a small
business. Actually, it would apply to any business that accepts cash
payments.

If you go by typical corporate earnings statements, very few businesses
make more than about $0.05 profit on each dollar of sales. Even at the
gross profit margin level, revenue minus cost of goods sold, selling and
administrative expenses, you are doing really well to get $0.25 on the
dollar.

It doesn't take a lot of fake transactions, with $5 items being "sold"
for $50 in fake currency, to start to eat into that gross profit margin.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[PV]

"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:24 -0400, while chained to a desk in the
> scriptorium, Inner Vision <***@nexos.net> wrote:
>
>> $A redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a
>> redesign
>> $of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.
>
> Notes with a face value of $1 or $2 are hardly worth a counterfeiter's
> time.
>

Do you remember when the counterfeit Loonies hit the streets? Biggest
problem the police had was rounding them up, most people, including me, kept
them for a laugh.

PV

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

"PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
"> Do you remember when the counterfeit Loonies hit the streets? Biggest
"> problem the police had was rounding them up, most people, including me, ke
"> them for a laugh.

When was this? How did you identify a counterfeit loony? Looks like cartoon
money?

Because I care,

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[PV]

<***@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:de4qm8$mar$***@vcn.bc.ca...
> "PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
> "> Do you remember when the counterfeit Loonies hit the streets? Biggest
> "> problem the police had was rounding them up, most people, including me,
> ke
> "> them for a laugh.
>
> When was this? How did you identify a counterfeit loony? Looks like
> cartoon
> money?
>
> Because I care,
>
> |<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)

I can't remember the exact time but it was roughly a year after the loonie
debut. The counterfeit ones were slightly lighter, the Queen's crown was
blurred and not quite sitting on her head. The loon's bill did not connect
to it's face.

Somewhere I have one kicking around, they traced the counterfeiters to
Calgary where they were busted.

Seemed like a lot of work for very little return.

PV

[Darrell Kestner]

PV <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote in message:
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><***@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:de4qm8$mar$***@vcn.bc.ca...
>> "PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
>> "> Do you remember when the counterfeit Loonies hit the streets? Biggest
>> "> problem the police had was rounding them up, most people, including me,
>> ke
>> "> them for a laugh.
>>
>> When was this? How did you identify a counterfeit loony? Looks like
>> cartoon
>> money?
>>
>> Because I care,
>>
>> |<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)
>
>I can't remember the exact time but it was roughly a year after the loonie
>debut. The counterfeit ones were slightly lighter, the Queen's crown was
>blurred and not quite sitting on her head. The loon's bill did not connect
>to it's face.
>
>Somewhere I have one kicking around, they traced the counterfeiters to
>Calgary where they were busted.
>
>Seemed like a lot of work for very little return.
>
>PV
>
>
>
Why the hell would anyone with a brain try to counterfeit a bloody $1 coin?

I laughed when the $2 coin came out and everyone knew that freezing it,
putting it in a vice and hitting it with a screwdriver would drive the centre
out! That was hilarious.

I have a fond memory of a business trip (one of many) to Calgary back in 1994
and buying a magazine. The Japanese guy in front of me paid for his stuff
with 2 Canadian $1 bills and a pink Canadian $2 bill.

I asked the vendor about it and he said "it happens all the time, they were
here for the '88 Olympics and kept their Canadian money from then".

I asked him if I could get my change in the $1 and $2 bill and he said "No",

"I get money for these things!" :)

Collectors abound.

I recall leaving Calgary back in

[John Fleming]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:12:02 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:***@4ax.com...
> $> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:24 -0400, while chained to a desk in the
> $> scriptorium, Inner Vision <***@nexos.net> wrote:
> $>
> $>> $A redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a
> $>> redesign
> $>> $of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.
> $>
> $> Notes with a face value of $1 or $2 are hardly worth a counterfeiter's
> $> time.

I don't recall that.

The one I do remember is the original plates for makiing the loonie
getting lost when they shipped it by Greyhound courier.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[Király]

In van.general John Fleming <***@sprynet.com> wrote:

> The one I do remember is the original plates for makiing the loonie
> getting lost when they shipped it by Greyhound courier.

That is correct, and that's why we now have a loon instead of a
voyageur on our dollar. The lost plates were originally going to
continue the voyageur design that had been used previously.

Remember these?
http://69.55.175.34/foreign2/1975can1.jpg

K.

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

"PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
"> I can't remember the exact time but it was roughly a year after the loonie
"> debut. The counterfeit ones were slightly lighter, the Queen's crown was
"> blurred and not quite sitting on her head. The loon's bill did not connect
"> to it's face.
">
"> Somewhere I have one kicking around, they traced the counterfeiters to
"> Calgary where they were busted.
">
"> Seemed like a lot of work for very little return.

Seems to me that they could pass an awful lot of them around with little or no
suspicion before being busted(not that they ever expected to get busted,of
course!)

Because I care,

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[Darrell Kestner]

Mr. Frederick <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
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>"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:24 -0400, while chained to a desk in the
>> scriptorium, Inner Vision <***@nexos.net> wrote:
>>
>> > $A redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a
>redesign
>> > $of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.
>>
>> Notes with a face value of $1 or $2 are hardly worth a counterfeiter's
>> time.
>
>Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2 bills
>any longer.
>
They don't know that in Africa! Shhh! don't tell anyone either!

[John Fleming]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2 bills
> $any longer.

As far as I know, the US still does.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[Mr. Frederick]

"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
> scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
bills
> > $any longer.
>
> As far as I know, the US still does.
>
And we use American money, right? Oh, wait, no we don't! That's why the
redesign of those denominations doesn't matter to us, right?

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Mr. Frederick wrote:

>"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>
>
>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
>>scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>$Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
>>>
>>>
>bills
>
>
>>>$any longer.
>>>
>>>
>>As far as I know, the US still does.
>>
>>
>>
>And we use American money, right? Oh, wait, no we don't! That's why the
>redesign of those denominations doesn't matter to us, right?
>
>
>
>
Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.

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[Mr. Frederick]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
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> Mr. Frederick wrote:
>
> >"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> >news:***@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
> >>scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>$Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
> >>>
> >bills
> >
> >>>$any longer.
> >>>
>>As far as I know, the US still does.
> >>
> >And we use American money, right? Oh, wait, no we don't! That's why the
> >redesign of those denominations doesn't matter to us, right?
> >
> Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
> American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
> abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
>
Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office, we get
an average of fewer than one US bill a year.

[John Fleming]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:32:50 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> $Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office, we get
> $an average of fewer than one US bill a year.

Considering the topic of this thread is counterfeiting, not how many US
dollars a typical Canadian business receives every year . . ..

By the way, some businesses do get enough US currency to post an
"official" exchange rate. Been a few years since I've seen such a
notice in Safeway, but the one I shopped at for many years had a sign at
every till giving the store's "conversion rate" for purchases made in US
dollars.

I expect someone would get a better rate at the bank than they would at
Safeway, but the store was willing to accept US currency for purchases
made in Canada.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Mr. Frederick wrote:

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
>>American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
>>abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
>>
>>
>>
>Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office, we get
>an average of fewer than one US bill a year.
>
>
>
>
You bet it's common. Go into a Safeway, like John F. suggests, or a
Wendy's, or 711. They all accept US$ with an exchange rate as readily
as they will accept Canadian bills.


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[Mr. Frederick]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
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> Mr. Frederick wrote:
>
> >>Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
> >>American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
> >>abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
> >>
> >Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office, we
get
> >an average of fewer than one US bill a year.
> >
> You bet it's common. Go into a Safeway, like John F. suggests, or a
> Wendy's, or 711. They all accept US$ with an exchange rate as readily
> as they will accept Canadian bills.
>
Of course they accept them. That is customer service. Have you any idea
what percentage of the daily deposit is made up of US bills? It is very,
very, small.

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Mr. Frederick wrote:

>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>news:THQNe.191249$***@edtnps89...
>
>
>>Mr. Frederick wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
>>>>American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
>>>>abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office, we
>>>
>>>
>get
>
>
>>>an average of fewer than one US bill a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You bet it's common. Go into a Safeway, like John F. suggests, or a
>>Wendy's, or 711. They all accept US$ with an exchange rate as readily
>>as they will accept Canadian bills.
>>
>>
>>
>Of course they accept them. That is customer service. Have you any idea
>what percentage of the daily deposit is made up of US bills? It is very,
>very, small.
>
>
>
Indeed it is, but that is not what you were stating. You stated that we
don't use US bills when the fact is that we do.

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[Mr. Frederick]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:_TUNe.232059$***@clgrps13...
> Mr. Frederick wrote:
>
> >"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> >news:THQNe.191249$***@edtnps89...
> >
> >>Mr. Frederick wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
> >>>>American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
> >>>>abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
> >>>>
> >>>Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office,
we
> >>>
> >get
> >
> >>>an average of fewer than one US bill a year.
> >>>
> >>You bet it's common. Go into a Safeway, like John F. suggests, or a
> >>Wendy's, or 711. They all accept US$ with an exchange rate as readily
> >>as they will accept Canadian bills.
> >>
> >Of course they accept them. That is customer service. Have you any idea
> >what percentage of the daily deposit is made up of US bills? It is very,
> >very, small.
> >
> Indeed it is, but that is not what you were stating. You stated that we
> don't use US bills when the fact is that we do.
>
Well, if you equate acceptance of the occasional bill to usage, I guess you
are right in your own mind. We don't get them in change, we don't get them
in the ATM, we don't get them in pay envelopes, we don't carry them in our
pockets unless we are visiting or have just come back from the US, and we
can only spend them at merchants that are willing to accept them (they are
not legal tender in Canada so nobody has to accept them), so it seems to me
we do not use American currency, but businesses may accept them as an
element of customer service,

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Mr. Frederick wrote:

>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>news:_TUNe.232059$***@clgrps13...
>
>
>>Mr. Frederick wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>>>news:THQNe.191249$***@edtnps89...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mr. Frederick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, we do. Just about all Canadian banks, stores, etc accept
>>>>>>American $ so it is important that such Canadian institutions keep
>>>>>>abreast of any changes and/or alterations to American currency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Banks, yes, but it not common currency on the street. In our office,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>we
>
>
>>>get
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>an average of fewer than one US bill a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>You bet it's common. Go into a Safeway, like John F. suggests, or a
>>>>Wendy's, or 711. They all accept US$ with an exchange rate as readily
>>>>as they will accept Canadian bills.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Of course they accept them. That is customer service. Have you any idea
>>>what percentage of the daily deposit is made up of US bills? It is very,
>>>very, small.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Indeed it is, but that is not what you were stating. You stated that we
>>don't use US bills when the fact is that we do.
>>
>>
>>
>Well, if you equate acceptance of the occasional bill to usage, I guess you
>are right in your own mind.
>

Give me a break. They are accepted and used here just like Canadian $,
although not in the same numbers. That is what you stated originally
and you were wrong. Admit your mistake and move on.

>We don't get them in change, we don't get them
>in the ATM, we don't get them in pay envelopes, we don't carry them in our
>pockets unless we are visiting or have just come back from the US, and we
>can only spend them at merchants that are willing to accept them (they are
>not legal tender in Canada so nobody has to accept them), so it seems to me
>we do not use American currency, but businesses may accept them as an
>element of customer service,
>
>
>
You obviously don't get out much. Just about every business that I go
into will accept American $ as readily as Canadian $. So what if some
merchents do not accept them? Many do not accept Canadian 50 and 100
dollar bills either even though they ARE considered to be legal tender
in this country. Better give it a rest Fred, you are burying yourself
deeper and deeper.

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-Stewie, Family Guy

[John Fleming]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:08:58 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote:
> $Mr. Frederick wrote:

> $>Of course they accept them. That is customer service. Have you any idea
> $>what percentage of the daily deposit is made up of US bills? It is very,
> $>very, small.
> $>
> $Indeed it is, but that is not what you were stating. You stated that we
> $don't use US bills when the fact is that we do.

And it is often enough that companies like Safeway have a policy in
place (ccomplete with an exchange rate) for when it happens.

I don't know. Maybe the driver for this is middle-aged American couples
coming up here in Winnebagos and stopping at Canadian "branch plant"
operations of stores they recognize from home. ("Hey Ethel, thar's a
Safeway just like we got back in California. Whada ya say we just stop
in here?")

Maybe Mr. Frederick's company doesn't see too much US currency over the
course of a year. But that is one company (hardly a statistically
relevant sample) and perhaps one that doesn't see much business from
Americans up here to enjoy our great outdoors--or Canadians who just got
off the plane from a trip to Disneyland.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[CalgaryBill]

"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
> scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
>> bills
>> $any longer.
>
> As far as I know, the US still does.

It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2 currency!

[Király]

In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:

> It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2 currency!

Yeah, 2003. 1995 before that. Ancient history.

[Király]

In van.general Király <***@m.sucks.email.invalid> wrote:
> In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2 currency!
>
> Yeah, 2003. 1995 before that. Ancient history.

More info:

This link shows October 2003 as being the most recent production date of
the US $2 bill; exactly 22 months ago:

http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/f2003_b.html

K.

[CalgaryBill]

""Király"" <***@m.sucks.email.invalid> wrote in message
news:UAHNe.230845$***@clgrps13...
> In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2
>> currency!
>
> Yeah, 2003. 1995 before that. Ancient history.

Yep, you're right. However, it appears that hardly anyone has ever seen
one. Apparently less than 0.5% of all U.S. bills printed are $2
denomination, and most retail establishments won't even accept them.

[Király]

In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Yep, you're right. However, it appears that hardly anyone has ever seen
> one. Apparently less than 0.5% of all U.S. bills printed are $2
> denomination, and most retail establishments won't even accept them.

Most US establishments *do* accept them, albeit reluctantly. Kind of like
trying to spend a Canadian $2 bill in Alberta when they were still in use
in the rest of the country.

You gotta be careful with US $2's, though:
http://johnwulff.com/?q=node/6

[Tim Halliday]

***@m.sucks.email.invalid (Király) wrote

>In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Yep, you're right. However, it appears that hardly anyone has ever seen
>> one. Apparently less than 0.5% of all U.S. bills printed are $2
>> denomination, and most retail establishments won't even accept them.
>
>Most US establishments *do* accept them, albeit reluctantly. Kind of like
>trying to spend a Canadian $2 bill in Alberta when they were still in use
>in the rest of the country.
>

"in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending a $2
bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there boy.

Don't hog the Bong.

[Newton]

***@shaw.ca (Tim Halliday) wrote

>***@m.sucks.email.invalid (Király) wrote
>
>>In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, you're right. However, it appears that hardly anyone has ever seen
>>> one. Apparently less than 0.5% of all U.S. bills printed are $2
>>> denomination, and most retail establishments won't even accept them.
>>
>>Most US establishments *do* accept them, albeit reluctantly. Kind of like
>>trying to spend a Canadian $2 bill in Alberta when they were still in use
>>in the rest of the country.
>>
>
>"in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending a $2
>bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there boy.
>
>Don't hog the Bong.
>

They were only accepting dried cakes of cowshit during the 1988 Winter
Olympics. It's a traditional currency in Alberta.

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Newton wrote:

>***@shaw.ca (Tim Halliday) wrote
>
>
>
>>***@m.sucks.email.invalid (Király) wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>>In van.general CalgaryBill <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yep, you're right. However, it appears that hardly anyone has ever seen
>>>>one. Apparently less than 0.5% of all U.S. bills printed are $2
>>>>denomination, and most retail establishments won't even accept them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Most US establishments *do* accept them, albeit reluctantly. Kind of like
>>>trying to spend a Canadian $2 bill in Alberta when they were still in use
>>>in the rest of the country.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>"in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending a $2
>>bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there boy.
>>
>>Don't hog the Bong.
>>
>>
>>
>
>They were only accepting dried cakes of cowshit during the 1988 Winter
>Olympics. It's a traditional currency in Alberta.
>
>

Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?


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[Terry Grundy]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
> Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
> that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?

Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is to
immediately mention Ontario.

The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more than a
bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to Ontario.

Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while Ontarians are
happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?

Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money that
financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with his
shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature, more
experienced and cultured big brother.

I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and cowboys.

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Terry Grundy wrote:

>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
>
>
>>Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
>>that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?
>>
>>
>
>Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is to
>immediately mention Ontario.
>
>
>
No, the knee jerk reaction seems to be for idiots like Newton to make a
slur in the first place. Hence my whimisical post.

>The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more than a
>bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to Ontario.
>
>

If you really believe that such comparisons are unilateral, then you
have been smoking Mr. Martin's medicinal happy hay. The mere fact that
Newton made the slur against Alberta in the first place should tell you
something, but considering that you chose to overlook it and instead
jump on my post tells me enough about your objectivity, or lack thereof.

>Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while Ontarians are
>happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?
>
>

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOL! You really don't get out much do you? Come
back and talk to me once you get a little life experience, kid. Until
then, you aren't in the same league.

>Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money that
>financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with his
>shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature, more
>experienced and cultured big brother.
>
>

On the contrary, Albertans work very hard for it. It is eastern
criminals who take the lazy way out and look for ways to steal it;
read: N.E.P. That may have been a while ago however it still does not
change the fact that the so-called "cultured big brother" is no more
than a big bully who engages in theft when it suits. As for maturity,
wisdom and culture, let me know when you oragutangs in Ontario develop
any.


>I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and cowboys.
>
>

And what do Ontarians do for fun? Cruise Younge St. for nose piercing
joints and five dollar ho's?

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[CalgaryBill]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:YItOe.235032$***@clgrps13...
> Terry Grundy wrote:
>
>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
>>
>>>Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
>>>that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?
>>>
>>
>>Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is to
>>immediately mention Ontario.
>>
>>
> No, the knee jerk reaction seems to be for idiots like Newton to make a
> slur in the first place. Hence my whimisical post.
>
>>The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more than
>>a
>>bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to
>>Ontario.
>>
>
> If you really believe that such comparisons are unilateral, then you have
> been smoking Mr. Martin's medicinal happy hay. The mere fact that Newton
> made the slur against Alberta in the first place should tell you
> something, but considering that you chose to overlook it and instead jump
> on my post tells me enough about your objectivity, or lack thereof.
>
>>Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while Ontarians
>>are
>>happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?
>>
>
> HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOL! You really don't get out much do you? Come back
> and talk to me once you get a little life experience, kid. Until then,
> you aren't in the same league.
>
>>Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money
>>that
>>financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with
>>his
>>shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature,
>>more
>>experienced and cultured big brother.
>>
>
> On the contrary, Albertans work very hard for it. It is eastern criminals
> who take the lazy way out and look for ways to steal it; read: N.E.P.
> That may have been a while ago however it still does not change the fact
> that the so-called "cultured big brother" is no more than a big bully who
> engages in theft when it suits. As for maturity, wisdom and culture, let
> me know when you oragutangs in Ontario develop any.
>
>>I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and
>>cowboys.
>>
>
> And what do Ontarians do for fun? Cruise Younge St. for nose piercing
> joints and five dollar ho's?

Don't forget Church Street for those inexpensive BJs! I understand that's
where JL earns enough to pay for his access to SpamSite.

[Tom Morgan]

"CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote


>Don't forget Church Street for those inexpensive BJs! I understand that's
>where JL earns enough to pay for his access to SpamSite.
>

Not as bad as the gay scene in Calgary and the hooker scene in edmonton where
the murderers prefer. I'm sure that you know all about the gay scene in
Calgary. Calgary is a haven for the worst kind of queer, the violent
repressed closet queer. That's why most Calgary men are shadow butt fuckers.
You've been to the clubs, so has Blac.

What's even worse is the racial intolerance in Calgary. A bunch of fucking
KKK members must have a few chapters there.

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Tom Morgan wrote:

>
>
> I'm sure that you know all about the gay scene in
>Calgary. Calgary is a haven for the worst kind of queer, the violent
>repressed closet queer.
>

Well I don't know about it at all...although you seem to have a
very...<cough>..." intimate" knowledge of it, Tom.

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[Nomad]

"CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote

>
>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>news:YItOe.235032$***@clgrps13...
>> Terry Grundy wrote:
>>
>>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
>>>
>>>>Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
>>>>that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is
>>>to immediately mention Ontario.
>>>
>>>
>> No, the knee jerk reaction seems to be for idiots like Newton to make a
>> slur in the first place. Hence my whimisical post.
>>
>>>The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more
>>>than a
>>>bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to
>>>Ontario.
>>>
>>
>> If you really believe that such comparisons are unilateral, then you
>> have been smoking Mr. Martin's medicinal happy hay. The mere fact that
>> Newton made the slur against Alberta in the first place should tell you
>> something, but considering that you chose to overlook it and instead
>> jump on my post tells me enough about your objectivity, or lack thereof.
>>
>>>Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while
>>>Ontarians are
>>>happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?
>>>
>>
>> HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOL! You really don't get out much do you? Come
>> back and talk to me once you get a little life experience, kid. Until
>> then, you aren't in the same league.
>>
>>>Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money
>>>that
>>>financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with
>>>his
>>>shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature,
>>>more
>>>experienced and cultured big brother.
>>>
>>
>> On the contrary, Albertans work very hard for it. It is eastern
>> criminals who take the lazy way out and look for ways to steal it; read:
>> N.E.P. That may have been a while ago however it still does not change
>> the fact that the so-called "cultured big brother" is no more than a big
>> bully who engages in theft when it suits. As for maturity, wisdom and
>> culture, let me know when you oragutangs in Ontario develop any.
>>
>>>I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and
>>>cowboys.
>>>
>>
>> And what do Ontarians do for fun? Cruise Younge St. for nose piercing
>> joints and five dollar ho's?
>
>Don't forget Church Street for those inexpensive BJs! I understand that's
>where JL earns enough to pay for his access to SpamSite.
>
>
>
>

Calgary's a backwater compared to Toronto. It's full of hicks and
ignoramuses.

[CalgaryBill]

"Nomad" <***@damon3.net> wrote in message
news:***@130.133.1.4...
> "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote
>
>>
>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>>news:YItOe.235032$***@clgrps13...
>>> Terry Grundy wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
>>>>>that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is
>>>>to immediately mention Ontario.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, the knee jerk reaction seems to be for idiots like Newton to make a
>>> slur in the first place. Hence my whimisical post.
>>>
>>>>The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more
>>>>than a
>>>>bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to
>>>>Ontario.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you really believe that such comparisons are unilateral, then you
>>> have been smoking Mr. Martin's medicinal happy hay. The mere fact that
>>> Newton made the slur against Alberta in the first place should tell you
>>> something, but considering that you chose to overlook it and instead
>>> jump on my post tells me enough about your objectivity, or lack thereof.
>>>
>>>>Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while
>>>>Ontarians are
>>>>happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?
>>>>
>>>
>>> HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOL! You really don't get out much do you? Come
>>> back and talk to me once you get a little life experience, kid. Until
>>> then, you aren't in the same league.
>>>
>>>>Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money
>>>>that
>>>>financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with
>>>>his
>>>>shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature,
>>>>more
>>>>experienced and cultured big brother.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary, Albertans work very hard for it. It is eastern
>>> criminals who take the lazy way out and look for ways to steal it; read:
>>> N.E.P. That may have been a while ago however it still does not change
>>> the fact that the so-called "cultured big brother" is no more than a big
>>> bully who engages in theft when it suits. As for maturity, wisdom and
>>> culture, let me know when you oragutangs in Ontario develop any.
>>>
>>>>I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and
>>>>cowboys.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And what do Ontarians do for fun? Cruise Younge St. for nose piercing
>>> joints and five dollar ho's?
>>
>>Don't forget Church Street for those inexpensive BJs! I understand that's
>>where JL earns enough to pay for his access to SpamSite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Calgary's a backwater compared to Toronto. It's full of hicks and
> ignoramuses.

So that's why the Toronto companies offer lots of us extra high paying
contracts to show the TO types how to actually work in I.T., huh? The only
things that are unique about Toronto is the panic attacks folks show on Bay
Street when you say hi to them when riding in the elevators, and the black
hole at the centre of the universe at the intersection of Dundas and Yonge;
hardly items to be proud of!

[Sharx35]

"Nomad" <***@damon3.net> wrote in message
news:***@130.133.1.4...
> "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote
>
>>
>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
>>news:YItOe.235032$***@clgrps13...
>>> Terry Grundy wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Ya, but considering that's pretty much all Ontario has going for it and
>>>>>that's all Ontarians could bring, what can you do?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Such low self esteem. Once they're insulted, the knee jerk reaction is
>>>>to immediately mention Ontario.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, the knee jerk reaction seems to be for idiots like Newton to make a
>>> slur in the first place. Hence my whimisical post.
>>>
>>>>The Albertan inferiority complex shines through again. Nothing more
>>>>than a
>>>>bunch of arrogant and immature cowboys always comparing themselves to
>>>>Ontario.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you really believe that such comparisons are unilateral, then you
>>> have been smoking Mr. Martin's medicinal happy hay. The mere fact that
>>> Newton made the slur against Alberta in the first place should tell you
>>> something, but considering that you chose to overlook it and instead
>>> jump on my post tells me enough about your objectivity, or lack thereof.
>>>
>>>>Why is that? Albertans are always thinking about Ontario while
>>>>Ontarians are
>>>>happy to leave everyone else alone and never bring up Alberta at all?
>>>>
>>>
>>> HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOL! You really don't get out much do you? Come
>>> back and talk to me once you get a little life experience, kid. Until
>>> then, you aren't in the same league.
>>>
>>>>Albertans haven't worked very hard for all that oil, most of the money
>>>>that
>>>>financed it came from Ontario. Now they're like the little brother with
>>>>his
>>>>shiny new car, always comparing themselves to their older, more mature,
>>>>more
>>>>experienced and cultured big brother.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary, Albertans work very hard for it. It is eastern
>>> criminals who take the lazy way out and look for ways to steal it; read:
>>> N.E.P. That may have been a while ago however it still does not change
>>> the fact that the so-called "cultured big brother" is no more than a big
>>> bully who engages in theft when it suits. As for maturity, wisdom and
>>> culture, let me know when you oragutangs in Ontario develop any.
>>>
>>>>I guess that's what happens when an idea of fun is bucking broncos and
>>>>cowboys.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And what do Ontarians do for fun? Cruise Younge St. for nose piercing
>>> joints and five dollar ho's?
>>
>>Don't forget Church Street for those inexpensive BJs! I understand that's
>>where JL earns enough to pay for his access to SpamSite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Calgary's a backwater compared to Toronto. It's full of hicks and
> ignoramuses.

Which explains why most of the MP's from Toronto are LIEbrawl or NDP.

[John Fleming]

On 21 Aug 2005 20:20:47 GMT, while chained to a desk in the scriptorium,
***@videotron.ca (Newton) wrote:

> $They were only accepting dried cakes of cowshit during the 1988 Winter
> $Olympics. It's a traditional currency in Alberta.

But think of the high quality of dung from the best fed cows in the
country. Such fine dung cannot be found anywhere else in the world for
any price. Nay, such dung is worth even a man's sould.

It is only natural that such dung be used as a medium of exchange to
facilitate trade.

By the way, the going exchange rate for Alberta cow dung is $14.68 per
centigram.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[Király]

In van.general Tim Halliday <***@shaw.ca> wrote:

> "in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending a $2
> bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there boy.

I lived in Alberta for nine years in the 1970's and 1980's, and a $2 bill
was a very rare sight. Most stores that received them put them in the
deposit at the end of the day rather than give them back out again,
because most customers wouldn't want them. Buying a $1 item with a $5
bill would get you four $1 bills in change rather than $2s. Just the
same as in the US today.

K.

[John Fleming]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:36:31 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:***@4ax.com...
> $> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
> $> scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> $>
> $>> $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
> $>> bills
> $>> $any longer.
> $>
> $> As far as I know, the US still does.
> $
> $It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2 currency!

Wasn't aware of that. Thanks Calgary Bill.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[CalgaryBill]

"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:36:31 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
> scriptorium, "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> $"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>> $news:***@4ax.com...
>> $> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
>> $> scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> $>
>> $>> $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
>> $>> bills
>> $>> $any longer.
>> $>
>> $> As far as I know, the US still does.
>> $
>> $It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2
>> currency!
>
> Wasn't aware of that. Thanks Calgary Bill.

Actually, on prompting by another poster, I discovered that I was wrong.
However, less than 0.5% of U.S. bank-notes are in this denomination, and
most Americans have never even seen them. Most retail stores will not even
accept them as a form of payment.

[John Fleming]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:04:23 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:***@4ax.com...
> $> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:36:31 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
> $> scriptorium, "CalgaryBill" <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $>> $"John Fleming" <***@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $news:***@4ax.com...
> $>> $> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:22:21 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
> $>> $> scriptorium, "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $Guess it hasn't twigged on you that Canada does not produce $1 or $2
> $>> $>> bills
> $>> $>> $any longer.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> As far as I know, the US still does.
> $>> $
> $>> $It's been a long, long, long time since the U.S. produced any $2
> $>> currency!
> $>
> $> Wasn't aware of that. Thanks Calgary Bill.
> $
> $Actually, on prompting by another poster, I discovered that I was wrong.
> $However, less than 0.5% of U.S. bank-notes are in this denomination, and
> $most Americans have never even seen them. Most retail stores will not even
> $accept them as a form of payment.

No problem.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

Northern Ontario was the same in '94, when I operated a video arcade in
Nippigon -- I deposited any $2.00 bills and gave out only $1s.

Apparently the prairies(& northern Ontario) consider the $2 to be bad luck!

Because I care,

|<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)

(Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
-=-
In essentials, unity;
In non-essentials, liberty;
in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine
-=-
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PS This post specially encoded for verification purposes


***@m.sucks.email.invalid (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Kir=E1ly?=) wrote:
=> In van.general Tim Halliday <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
=>
=> > "in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending a $
=> > bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there boy.
=>
=> I lived in Alberta for nine years in the 1970's and 1980's, and a $2 bill
=> was a very rare sight. Most stores that received them put them in the
=> deposit at the end of the day rather than give them back out again,
=> because most customers wouldn't want them. Buying a $1 item with a $5
=> bill would get you four $1 bills in change rather than $2s. Just the
=> same as in the US today.
=>
=> K.
--
.
from gapope(at)vcn(dot)bc(dot)ca << Official Reply Address for Usenet Post
.

[Robert Weldon]

<***@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:decn8f$t0s$***@vcn.bc.ca...
> Northern Ontario was the same in '94, when I operated a video arcade in
> Nippigon -- I deposited any $2.00 bills and gave out only $1s.
>
> Apparently the prairies(& northern Ontario) consider the $2 to be bad
> luck!

In the bad old days, a hooker cost $2.00, so anyone carrying two dollar
bills was assumed to be an "immoral person". So the $2.00 bill had a stigma
on it that carried through in the bible belt stronghold of Alberta and
Saskatchewan, which carried on long after the $2.00 hooker era was ancient
history, resulting in people refusing to accept the bills. I think there
was some issue with the bills being used for gambling also, but not sure on
that one.

>
> Because I care,
>
> |<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)
>
> (Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
> -=-
> In essentials, unity;
> In non-essentials, liberty;
> in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine
> -=-
> note new preferred reply email: Cyberpope67(at)yahoo(dot)com
>
> PS This post specially encoded for verification purposes
>
>
> ***@m.sucks.email.invalid (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Kir=E1ly?=) wrote:
> => In van.general Tim Halliday <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
> =>
> => > "in use in the rest of the country"? I never had an issue spending
> a $
> => > bill anywhere in Alberta. You must be smoking some good weed there
> boy.
> =>
> => I lived in Alberta for nine years in the 1970's and 1980's, and a $2
> bill
> => was a very rare sight. Most stores that received them put them in the
> => deposit at the end of the day rather than give them back out again,
> => because most customers wouldn't want them. Buying a $1 item with a $5
> => bill would get you four $1 bills in change rather than $2s. Just the
> => same as in the US today.
> =>
> => K.
> --
> .
> from gapope(at)vcn(dot)bc(dot)ca << Official Reply Address for Usenet Post
> .
>

[TopPoster]

The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
My first reaction to George W. Bush's all-too-obvious politicizing of the
memories of September 11, 2001, in his latest lame attempt to justify his
illegal and immoral war in Iraq, was anger.

Then anger gave way to sadness.

Sadness over a morality-challenged politician's use of the deaths of 3,000
plus Americans for his own political gain.

And even more sadness because there are still people out there stupid enough
to fall for this kind of crap.

Bush has pulled this stunt before. He keeps 9/11 in his bag of tricks as a
last-ditch effort to save his corrupt political hide when things go bad.
And, according to polls, things are bad. An increasing majority of Americans
no longer buy his lies about Iraq and oppose the war along with growing
numbers who finally realize the President of the United States is a liar who
cannot be trusted.

Reality, however, will not stop the dwindling numbers of Bushites from
defending their failed leader to the end - and it is that maniacal devotion
to Bush that may signal the end to America as we know it.

Sometimes it is difficult to decide who to fear the most - the
ethically-bankrupt President whose madness drives what was once the greatest
country on earth closer and closer to ruin or the blind, brain-dead lemmings
who continue to follow him into the abyss.

In more normal times we might be able to dismiss Bush's followers as just
another gaggle of misguided political miscreants who bet on the wrong horse
and now try to justify that mistake.

But these are not normal times and the wild-eyed fanatics who continue to
buy this charlatan's snake oil are, in too many ways, as dangerous as Bush
himself.

Bush and his klavern of crooks, con-men and thieves have turned this nation
into a monster that threatens world peace, an arrogant bomb-throwing bully
who poses a far-greater danger than any Islam-spouting lunatic with a
turban.

When you get past the hyperbole and sound bite rants of the rabid right, you
are left with one sad fact - the United States of America, a nation that
once prided itself in never, ever, being the aggressor in a conflict,
invaded another nation on false pretenses, a nation that posed no immediate
threat to us or our way of life.

It is no longer Osama bin Laden and his fanatical followers who pose the
greatest threat to the future of this country. It is George W. Bush and his
equally-fanatical, zoned-out legions who buy into his destructive,
anti-American actions.

Osama's still at large and still planning ways to attack this country but he
remains at large because Bush ordered the military to all-but-abandon the
search for the Al Qaeda leader and divert resources to an ill-conceived,
ill-planned and ill-executed illegal invasion of Iraq.

Now the Army admits it is planning for "at least" four more years in Iraq as
the death toll of young American men and women races headlong towards 2,000.

So a desperate George W. Bush goes to the well once more, invoking the
memories of September 11, 2001 to try and save his political skin.

We can hope, of course, that this blatant political opportunism won't work.
We can hope that Americans will finally see through the sham that is Bush
and the fanatics who follow him.

We can hope that Americans recognize that more than one terrorist seeks to
destroy America and that the most dangerous terrorist of all lives at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue.



--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous

[Randa]

TopPoster wrote:
> The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Attention: Brain damaged fucktard TopPooper

Stop posting stuff that you did not author without the proper
cite.
Do you not have any respect for the author or are you just too
brain-damaged to know any better?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7252.shtml


--
Are you tired of listening to radio stations that have an equal
part mix of obnoxious commercials, music that just doesn't matter
and annoying DJ's who seem to think they do? Perhaps it's time
you checked out one of the best commercial-free radio stations
on the net:

Radio Paradise: The music your ears have been waiting for.
"DJ-mixed modern & classic rock, world, electronica & more"

http://www.radioparadise.com

[TopPoster]

Do feel beter now?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Randa <no-***@randa.randa> wrote in message
news:K9sOe.289103$***@pd7tw2no...
> TopPoster wrote:
> > The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
>
> Attention: Brain damaged fucktard TopPooper
>
> Stop posting stuff that you did not author without the proper
> cite.
> Do you not have any respect for the author or are you just too
> brain-damaged to know any better?
>
> http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7252.shtml
>
>
> --
> Are you tired of listening to radio stations that have an equal
> part mix of obnoxious commercials, music that just doesn't matter
> and annoying DJ's who seem to think they do? Perhaps it's time
> you checked out one of the best commercial-free radio stations
> on the net:
>
> Radio Paradise: The music your ears have been waiting for.
> "DJ-mixed modern & classic rock, world, electronica & more"
>
> http://www.radioparadise.com
>
>
>
>
>

[TopPoster]

Notice in your post you used 39 words previously used by others, can't you
use your own words?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Randa <no-***@randa.randa> wrote in message
news:K9sOe.289103$***@pd7tw2no...
> TopPoster wrote:
> > The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
>
> Attention: Brain damaged fucktard TopPooper
>
> Stop posting stuff that you did not author without the proper
> cite.
> Do you not have any respect for the author or are you just too
> brain-damaged to know any better?
>
> http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7252.shtml
>
>
> --
> Are you tired of listening to radio stations that have an equal
> part mix of obnoxious commercials, music that just doesn't matter
> and annoying DJ's who seem to think they do? Perhaps it's time
> you checked out one of the best commercial-free radio stations
> on the net:
>
> Radio Paradise: The music your ears have been waiting for.
> "DJ-mixed modern & classic rock, world, electronica & more"
>
> http://www.radioparadise.com
>
>
>
>
>

[Sharx35]

Droolings from King Faggot follow:


"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
> My first reaction to George W. Bush's all-too-obvious politicizing of the
> memories of September 11, 2001, in his latest lame attempt to justify his
> illegal and immoral war in Iraq, was anger.
>
> Then anger gave way to sadness.
>
> Sadness over a morality-challenged politician's use of the deaths of 3,000
> plus Americans for his own political gain.
>
> And even more sadness because there are still people out there stupid
> enough
> to fall for this kind of crap.
>
> Bush has pulled this stunt before. He keeps 9/11 in his bag of tricks as a
> last-ditch effort to save his corrupt political hide when things go bad.
> And, according to polls, things are bad. An increasing majority of
> Americans
> no longer buy his lies about Iraq and oppose the war along with growing
> numbers who finally realize the President of the United States is a liar
> who
> cannot be trusted.
>
> Reality, however, will not stop the dwindling numbers of Bushites from
> defending their failed leader to the end - and it is that maniacal
> devotion
> to Bush that may signal the end to America as we know it.
>
> Sometimes it is difficult to decide who to fear the most - the
> ethically-bankrupt President whose madness drives what was once the
> greatest
> country on earth closer and closer to ruin or the blind, brain-dead
> lemmings
> who continue to follow him into the abyss.
>
> In more normal times we might be able to dismiss Bush's followers as just
> another gaggle of misguided political miscreants who bet on the wrong
> horse
> and now try to justify that mistake.
>
> But these are not normal times and the wild-eyed fanatics who continue to
> buy this charlatan's snake oil are, in too many ways, as dangerous as Bush
> himself.
>
> Bush and his klavern of crooks, con-men and thieves have turned this
> nation
> into a monster that threatens world peace, an arrogant bomb-throwing bully
> who poses a far-greater danger than any Islam-spouting lunatic with a
> turban.
>
> When you get past the hyperbole and sound bite rants of the rabid right,
> you
> are left with one sad fact - the United States of America, a nation that
> once prided itself in never, ever, being the aggressor in a conflict,
> invaded another nation on false pretenses, a nation that posed no
> immediate
> threat to us or our way of life.
>
> It is no longer Osama bin Laden and his fanatical followers who pose the
> greatest threat to the future of this country. It is George W. Bush and
> his
> equally-fanatical, zoned-out legions who buy into his destructive,
> anti-American actions.
>
> Osama's still at large and still planning ways to attack this country but
> he
> remains at large because Bush ordered the military to all-but-abandon the
> search for the Al Qaeda leader and divert resources to an ill-conceived,
> ill-planned and ill-executed illegal invasion of Iraq.
>
> Now the Army admits it is planning for "at least" four more years in Iraq
> as
> the death toll of young American men and women races headlong towards
> 2,000.
>
> So a desperate George W. Bush goes to the well once more, invoking the
> memories of September 11, 2001 to try and save his political skin.
>
> We can hope, of course, that this blatant political opportunism won't
> work.
> We can hope that Americans will finally see through the sham that is Bush
> and the fanatics who follow him.
>
> We can hope that Americans recognize that more than one terrorist seeks to
> destroy America and that the most dangerous terrorist of all lives at 1600
> Pennsylvania Avenue.
>
>
>
> --
> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear.
> If
> a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> but
> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> erroneous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Sharx35 wrote:

>Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>
>
>"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
>news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
>
>
<<snip>>

What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.

--

***********************************************************************************

"Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the remains!"

-Stewie, Family Guy

[TopPoster]

Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
> Sharx35 wrote:
>
> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
> >
> >
> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> >
> >
> <<snip>>
>
> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>
> --
>
>
****************************************************************************
*******
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[Sharx35]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:aFuOe.69$***@news.sisna.com...
> Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?

Would a pathologist find measurable BRAIN in your skull?


>
> --
> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear.
> If
> a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> but
> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> erroneous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
>> Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>> >
>> >
>> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
>> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
>> >
>> >
>> <<snip>>
>>
>> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
>> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
> ****************************************************************************
> *******
>>
>> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
> remains!"
>>
>> -Stewie, Family Guy
>
>

[TopPoster]

Still think they will find them?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Sharx35 <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7_vOe.194131$***@edtnps89...
>
> "TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> news:aFuOe.69$***@news.sisna.com...
> > Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?
>
> Would a pathologist find measurable BRAIN in your skull?
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin
once
> > they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held
dear.
> > If
> > a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> > should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> > but
> > the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> > erroneous
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> > news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
> >> Sharx35 wrote:
> >>
> >> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> >> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> <<snip>>
> >>
> >> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
> >> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
****************************************************************************
> > *******
> >>
> >> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
> > remains!"
> >>
> >> -Stewie, Family Guy
> >
> >
>
>

[John Fleming]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:07:17 -0600, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote:

> $Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?

Have they found the economists who worked in the Ministry of Iraqi
Economic Development yet?

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

TopPoster wrote:

>Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?
>
>

I couldn't care less whether they do or not. The fact that they got rid
of a tinpot murderous dictator is good enough.


--

***********************************************************************************

"Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the remains!"

-Stewie, Family Guy

[TopPoster]

No Bush is still in power

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:4syOe.152244$***@clgrps12...
> TopPoster wrote:
>
> >Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?
> >
> >
>
> I couldn't care less whether they do or not. The fact that they got rid
> of a tinpot murderous dictator is good enough.
>
>
> --
>
>
****************************************************************************
*******
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[Sharx35]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:3pzOe.117$***@news.sisna.com...
> No Bush is still in power
>

While YOUR ilk is not.



> --
> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear.
> If
> a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> but
> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> erroneous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> news:4syOe.152244$***@clgrps12...
>> TopPoster wrote:
>>
>> >Do you still think they will find WMD in Iraq?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I couldn't care less whether they do or not. The fact that they got rid
>> of a tinpot murderous dictator is good enough.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
> ****************************************************************************
> *******
>>
>> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
> remains!"
>>
>> -Stewie, Family Guy
>
>

[TopPoster]

"Sharx35" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vZBOe.203690$***@edtnps84...
>
> "TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> news:3pzOe.117$***@news.sisna.com...
>> No Bush is still in power
>>
>
> While YOUR ilk is not.

The only power jeremy topposter holds is over the poor
animals that wander into his alley at night.

[TopPoster]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:3pzOe.117$***@news.sisna.com...
> No Bush is still in power

You still dress up like a girl and act like big gay al
too. What's your point, jeremy topposter?

You are a complete idiot.


>
> --
> Socrates said jeremy was a jerkoff to

[TopPoster]

Do you still Believe the London police?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
> Sharx35 wrote:
>
> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
> >
> >
> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> >
> >
> <<snip>>
>
> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>
> --
>
>
****************************************************************************
*******
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[Sharx35]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:5HuOe.70$***@news.sisna.com...
> Do you still Believe the London police?

Do you still believe that yo' pappy is REALLY yo' pappy?


>
> --
> Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
> they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear.
> If
> a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> but
> the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> erroneous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
>> Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>> >
>> >
>> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
>> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
>> >
>> >
>> <<snip>>
>>
>> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
>> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
> ****************************************************************************
> *******
>>
>> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
> remains!"
>>
>> -Stewie, Family Guy
>
>

[TopPoster]

They lied to you Sharx

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Sharx35 <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> news:5HuOe.70$***@news.sisna.com...
> > Do you still Believe the London police?
>
> Do you still believe that yo' pappy is REALLY yo' pappy?
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin
once
> > they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held
dear.
> > If
> > a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> > should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> > but
> > the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> > erroneous
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
> > news:u6uOe.193848$***@edtnps89...
> >> Sharx35 wrote:
> >>
> >> >Droolings from King Faggot follow:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> >> >news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> <<snip>>
> >>
> >> What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
> >> material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
****************************************************************************
> > *******
> >>
> >> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
> > remains!"
> >>
> >> -Stewie, Family Guy
> >
> >
>
>

[Alberta Neo-Con]

Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote

>
>Sharx35 wrote:
>
>>Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>>
>>
>>"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
>>news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
>>
>>
> <<snip>>
>
>What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
>material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>

newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need to convice
everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all the thinkin' for ya.

[Sharx35]

"Alberta Neo-Con" <***@hotmail.net> wrote in message
news:***@130.133.1.4...
> Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote
>
>>
>>Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>>>Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>>>
>>>
>>>"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
>>>news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
>>>
>>>
>> <<snip>>
>>
>>What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
>>material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
>>
>
> newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need to convice
> everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all the thinkin' for ya.

Just like the NY Times, NPR, PBS, Reuters, BBC and Al Jazeerah give a
LIEbrawl spin to their so-called neutral news.

[TopPoster]

Keep on reading you will see Fox lied to you again

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Sharx35 <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I%vOe.194134$***@edtnps89...
>
> "Alberta Neo-Con" <***@hotmail.net> wrote in message
> news:***@130.133.1.4...
> > Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote
> >
> >>
> >>Sharx35 wrote:
> >>
> >>>Droolings from King Faggot follow:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> >>>news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >> <<snip>>
> >>
> >>What I find funny is this moron never quotes where he/she/it gets this
> >>material from. It kind of leaves a pretty big credibility gap.
> >>
> >
> > newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need to convice
> > everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all the thinkin' for ya.
>
> Just like the NY Times, NPR, PBS, Reuters, BBC and Al Jazeerah give a
> LIEbrawl spin to their so-called neutral news.
>
>
>
>
>

[TopPoster]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:kOwOe.105$***@news.sisna.com...
> Keep on reading you will see Fox lied to you again

You should use your shit-caked mouth and your smelly little
fingers for pleasuring your goats and not typing your lies in
here, jeremy topposter


>
> --
> Socrates said jeremy topposter was a goof

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

Alberta Neo-Con wrote:

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need to convice
>everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all the thinkin' for ya.
>
>

You really are a putz. Considering that the only news services that I
get are the CBC and CTV, how do you suppose that I should arrive at such
a set of beliefs? Maybe I have chosen to look beyond the limited
liberal brainwashing that has claimed your few remaining cells of
cerebral gray matter?

--

***********************************************************************************

"Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the remains!"

-Stewie, Family Guy

[TopPoster]

And you expected the Americans to find WMD

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:IyyOe.194291$***@edtnps89...
> Alberta Neo-Con wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need to convice
> >everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all the thinkin' for ya.
> >
> >
>
> You really are a putz. Considering that the only news services that I
> get are the CBC and CTV, how do you suppose that I should arrive at such
> a set of beliefs? Maybe I have chosen to look beyond the limited
> liberal brainwashing that has claimed your few remaining cells of
> cerebral gray matter?
>
> --
>
>
****************************************************************************
*******
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[Black Jacques Shellaque]

TopPoster wrote:

>And you expected the Americans to find WMD
>
>

I expected to find a brain cell or two between your ears but it seems I
was wrong there.

>
>


--

***********************************************************************************

"Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the remains!"

-Stewie, Family Guy

[Black Jac]

Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote

>TopPoster wrote:
>
>>And you expected the Americans to find WMD
>>
>>
>
>I expected to find a brain cell or two between your ears but it seems I
>was wrong there.
>

Everybody knows that Dubya don't lie.

[TopPoster]

"Black Jac" <***@calgary.ab> wrote in message
news:***@130.133.1.4...
> Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote
>
>>TopPoster wrote:
>>
>>>And you expected the Americans to find WMD
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I expected to find a brain cell or two between your ears but
>>it seems I
>>was wrong there.
>>
>
> Everybody knows that Dubya don't lie.

Everybody knows that YOU do.

[TopPoster]

Upset that you believed the American lies

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Black Jacques Shellaque <***@re.vermin> wrote in message
news:bNEOe.194728$***@edtnps89...
> TopPoster wrote:
>
> >And you expected the Americans to find WMD
> >
> >
>
> I expected to find a brain cell or two between your ears but it seems I
> was wrong there.
>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
****************************************************************************
*******
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you can have the
remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[TopPoster]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in
message news:bNEOe.194728$***@edtnps89...
> TopPoster wrote:
>
>>And you expected the Americans to find WMD
>>
>
> I expected to find a brain cell or two between your ears but
> it seems I was wrong there.

Plenty of cow shit there, but no brain cells.


>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ***********************************************************************************
>
> "Those jugs are mine until all the milk dries up. Then you
> can have the remains!"
>
> -Stewie, Family Guy

[TopPoster]

"TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
news:sqzOe.118$***@news.sisna.com...
> And you expected the Americans to find WMD

We expect to see you chasing boys at NAMBLA, jeremy.


>
> --
> Socrates didn't have high expectations of jeremy topposter
> either.

[TopPoster]

"Black Jacques Shellaque" <***@re.vermin> wrote in
message news:IyyOe.194291$***@edtnps89...
> Alberta Neo-Con wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>newsmax, nationalreview and Fox News. That's all you need
>>to convice everyone that Bush is never wrong. It does all
>>the thinkin' for ya.
>>
>
> You really are a putz. Considering that the only news
> services that I get are the CBC and CTV, how do you suppose
> that I should arrive at such a set of beliefs? Maybe I have
> chosen to look beyond the limited liberal brainwashing that
> has claimed your few remaining cells of cerebral gray
> matter?

Sad isn't it? The LIE-brals have created a generation
of brainless droids that believe every lie that comes out of
their mouths. So far gone are the LIE-bral followers that the
LIE-bral politicians may now lie and steal with impunity.

[Bender]

"Sharx35" <***@hotmail.com> wrote

>
>Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>
>

Cowboy hats and cowshit, that's all you can expect from those idiots these
days.

[TopPoster]

That is what people call you Sharx

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous












Sharx35 <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BWtOe.203562$***@edtnps84...
> Droolings from King Faggot follow:
>
>
> "TopPoster" <TopPoster,@Poster.com.,.> wrote in message
> news:5GqOe.27$***@news.sisna.com...
> > The Terrorist of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
> > My first reaction to George W. Bush's all-too-obvious politicizing of
the
> > memories of September 11, 2001, in his latest lame attempt to justify
his
> > illegal and immoral war in Iraq, was anger.
> >
> > Then anger gave way to sadness.
> >
> > Sadness over a morality-challenged politician's use of the deaths of
3,000
> > plus Americans for his own political gain.
> >
> > And even more sadness because there are still people out there stupid
> > enough
> > to fall for this kind of crap.
> >
> > Bush has pulled this stunt before. He keeps 9/11 in his bag of tricks as
a
> > last-ditch effort to save his corrupt political hide when things go bad.
> > And, according to polls, things are bad. An increasing majority of
> > Americans
> > no longer buy his lies about Iraq and oppose the war along with growing
> > numbers who finally realize the President of the United States is a liar
> > who
> > cannot be trusted.
> >
> > Reality, however, will not stop the dwindling numbers of Bushites from
> > defending their failed leader to the end - and it is that maniacal
> > devotion
> > to Bush that may signal the end to America as we know it.
> >
> > Sometimes it is difficult to decide who to fear the most - the
> > ethically-bankrupt President whose madness drives what was once the
> > greatest
> > country on earth closer and closer to ruin or the blind, brain-dead
> > lemmings
> > who continue to follow him into the abyss.
> >
> > In more normal times we might be able to dismiss Bush's followers as
just
> > another gaggle of misguided political miscreants who bet on the wrong
> > horse
> > and now try to justify that mistake.
> >
> > But these are not normal times and the wild-eyed fanatics who continue
to
> > buy this charlatan's snake oil are, in too many ways, as dangerous as
Bush
> > himself.
> >
> > Bush and his klavern of crooks, con-men and thieves have turned this
> > nation
> > into a monster that threatens world peace, an arrogant bomb-throwing
bully
> > who poses a far-greater danger than any Islam-spouting lunatic with a
> > turban.
> >
> > When you get past the hyperbole and sound bite rants of the rabid right,
> > you
> > are left with one sad fact - the United States of America, a nation that
> > once prided itself in never, ever, being the aggressor in a conflict,
> > invaded another nation on false pretenses, a nation that posed no
> > immediate
> > threat to us or our way of life.
> >
> > It is no longer Osama bin Laden and his fanatical followers who pose the
> > greatest threat to the future of this country. It is George W. Bush and
> > his
> > equally-fanatical, zoned-out legions who buy into his destructive,
> > anti-American actions.
> >
> > Osama's still at large and still planning ways to attack this country
but
> > he
> > remains at large because Bush ordered the military to all-but-abandon
the
> > search for the Al Qaeda leader and divert resources to an ill-conceived,
> > ill-planned and ill-executed illegal invasion of Iraq.
> >
> > Now the Army admits it is planning for "at least" four more years in
Iraq
> > as
> > the death toll of young American men and women races headlong towards
> > 2,000.
> >
> > So a desperate George W. Bush goes to the well once more, invoking the
> > memories of September 11, 2001 to try and save his political skin.
> >
> > We can hope, of course, that this blatant political opportunism won't
> > work.
> > We can hope that Americans will finally see through the sham that is
Bush
> > and the fanatics who follow him.
> >
> > We can hope that Americans recognize that more than one terrorist seeks
to
> > destroy America and that the most dangerous terrorist of all lives at
1600
> > Pennsylvania Avenue.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin
once
> > they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held
dear.
> > If
> > a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
> > should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded,
> > but
> > the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the
> > erroneous
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[PV]

"Robert Weldon" <***@jrpspamblock.ca> wrote in message
news:O0oOe.286040$***@pd7tw2no...
> <***@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:decn8f$t0s$***@vcn.bc.ca...
>> Northern Ontario was the same in '94, when I operated a video arcade in
>> Nippigon -- I deposited any $2.00 bills and gave out only $1s.
>>
>> Apparently the prairies(& northern Ontario) consider the $2 to be bad
>> luck!
>
> In the bad old days, a hooker cost $2.00, so anyone carrying two dollar
> bills was assumed to be an "immoral person". So the $2.00 bill had a
> stigma on it that carried through in the bible belt stronghold of Alberta
> and Saskatchewan, which carried on long after the $2.00 hooker era was
> ancient history, resulting in people refusing to accept the bills. I
> think there was some issue with the bills being used for gambling also,
> but not sure on that one.
>

The stigma was attached to horse racing, the $2.00 window, usually the only
place $2.00 were commonly used and if you produced one from your wallet, the
assumption was made you had been playing the ponies

PV

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

"PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
"> The stigma was attached to horse racing, the $2.00 window, usually the onl
"> place $2.00 were commonly used and if you produced one from your wallet, t
"> assumption was made you had been playing the ponies

And what if you had? Doesn't that just mean that you're successful enough to
be able to AFFORD such a hobby?

Because I care,

|<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)

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[PV]

<***@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:defa2h$siq$***@vcn.bc.ca...
> "PV" <***@NOSPAMtelus.net> wrote:
> "> The stigma was attached to horse racing, the $2.00 window, usually the
> onl
> "> place $2.00 were commonly used and if you produced one from your
> wallet, t
> "> assumption was made you had been playing the ponies
>
> And what if you had? Doesn't that just mean that you're successful enough
> to
> be able to AFFORD such a hobby?
>
> Because I care,
>

This was in the day when gambling was not acceptable but was considered a
vice. Now it's accepted as another way for the government to raise more
revenue.

PV

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

***@calgary.ab (Black Jac) wrote:
BJ> Everybody knows that Dubya don't lie.

What does he do?

"Strategically present the facts as he's told to do"?

Because I care,

|<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)

(Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
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[Greg Carr]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:56:24 -0400, Inner Vision
<***@nexos.net> wrote:

>Defender of Enormous Manhood <***@rogers.com> wrote in
>message: news:<kMKdnZ2dnZ1trt3BnZ2dnWWXmN6dnZ2dRVn-***@rogers.com>
>>Well in 1995 in the USA the number of $20 bills detected as counterfeit was
>>1%.
>>But 10 years later, with digital technology advances now 40% of all $20
>>dollar bills are detected as counterfeir.
>>
>>http://www.bankofinternet.com/QuickHelp/us20new.asp
>>
>Wrong.
>
>
>In 1995, less than 1 percent of counterfeit notes detected in the U.S. were
>digitally produced, but by 2002, that number had grown to nearly 40 percent.
>
>To stay ahead of counterfeiters, enhancement of the designs of our money has
>become an ongoing process, with new designs to be introduced every 7-10
>years.
>
>About the New Color of Money
>US 20 Dollar Bill Last redesigned in 1998, the redesigned $20 note will be
>the first of this series to be issued, in late 2003. The new design will make
>it more burdensome for counterfeiters to produce phony bills and will be
>safer, smarter and more secure:
>* Safer because they're harder to fake and easier to check.
>* Smarter to stay ahead of tech-savvy counterfeiters.
>* More Secure to protect the integrity of U.S. currency.
>
>Older-design $20 notes will gradually be replaced by new-design notes,
>although both will continue to be legal currency at full face value. New
>designs for the $50 note will follow in 2004 and the $100 notes in 2005. A
>redesign of the $5 and $10 bills is still under consideration, but a redesign
>of the $2 and $1 notes is not planned.

Canadian currency is a lot harder to fake than the American currency.
There are little microdots on it and a magnetic strip on the right
side.

[Király]

In van.general Greg Carr <***@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Canadian currency is a lot harder to fake than the American currency.
> There are little microdots on it and a magnetic strip on the right
> side.

The new style Canadian bills don't have micro-dots in them. They went
out with the seriees of bils with the birds on the back. Plenty of
birdie $20s and $50s are still around but the $5, $10 and $100 have
pretty much disappeared by now.

Magnetic strip? Doesn't exist.

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/counterfeit/security_features.html

[TopPoster]

what stops people from copying them ?

--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can
only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever
held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and
logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be
discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe
the erroneous

""Király"" <***@m.sucks.email.invalid> wrote in message
news:7vHNe.230787$***@clgrps13...
> In van.general Greg Carr <***@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Canadian currency is a lot harder to fake than the American
>> currency.
>> There are little microdots on it and a magnetic strip on
>> the right
>> side.
>
> The new style Canadian bills don't have micro-dots in them.
> They went
> out with the seriees of bils with the birds on the back.
> Plenty of
> birdie $20s and $50s are still around but the $5, $10 and
> $100 have
> pretty much disappeared by now.
>
> Magnetic strip? Doesn't exist.
>
> http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/banknotes/counterfeit/security_features.html

[Király]

In van.general TopPoster <TopPoster @postter.com,,.,> wrote:
> what stops people from copying them ?

Intaglio ink, watermarks, see-through register, multicoloured UV ink,
microprinting, etc.

Why not visit the link I posted in my previous message and see for
yourself?

K.

[nobody]

"Defender of Enormous Manhood" <***@rogers.com>
wrote:

>Well in 1995 in the USA the number of $20 bills detected as counterfeit was
>1%.
>But 10 years later, with digital technology advances now 40% of all $20
>dollar bills are detected as counterfeir.

*What* are you smoking?

[Mr. Frederick]

"TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ta5Ne.2331$***@news1.mts.net...
> Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
> Why?
>
Because the ordinary joes who get stuck with the phony currency lose 100% of
the value of the bill, that's why.

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

"Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
"F> "TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote in message
"F> news:Ta5Ne.2331$***@news1.mts.net...
"F> > Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
"F> > Why?
"F> >
"F> Because the ordinary joes who get stuck with the phony currency lose 100%
"F> the value of the bill, that's why.

&, if all you have on you is an old $100.00 bill, and all you want to purchase
is at a business that won't accept that piece of legal tender, you've likewise
lost 100% of the value of the bill!

Because I care,

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[Christopher Browne]

> "Mr. Frederick" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "F> "TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote in message
> "F> news:Ta5Ne.2331$***@news1.mts.net...
> "F> > Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
> "F> > Why?
> "F> >
> "F> Because the ordinary joes who get stuck with the phony currency lose 100%
> "F> the value of the bill, that's why.
>
> &, if all you have on you is an old $100.00 bill, and all you want
> to purchase is at a business that won't accept that piece of legal
> tender, you've likewise lost 100% of the value of the bill!

You can take that bill to a bank or such, where they are prepared to
scrutinize it, so that you *don't* lose the value of the bill...
--
(reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.liamg" "@" "enworbbc"))
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If we were meant to fly, we wouldn't keep losing our luggage.

[g***@vcn.bc.ca]

Christopher Browne <***@acm.org> wrote:
CB> > &, if all you have on you is an old $100.00 bill, and all you want
CB> > to purchase is at a business that won't accept that piece of legal
CB> > tender, you've likewise lost 100% of the value of the bill!
CB>
CB> You can take that bill to a bank or such, where they are prepared to
CB> scrutinize it, so that you *don't* lose the value of the bill...

Then you just lose the value of your time and gas to go to the bank!

Because I care,

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[John Fleming]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:14:56 -0500, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote:

> $Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
> $Why?
> $
> $http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050818/ts_usatoday/digitalimagingchangesf
> $aceofcounterfeitbills
> $
> $I've noticed a lot of businesses out there won't take the old $100 bills, or
> $even $50 bills.
> $
> $Are they nuts?
> $
> $They lose more to in-store theft than they would through the occasional
> $rubber $50 bill.

By the way, a lot of stores won't accept cheques now either.

Reason. they've had too many rubber cheques for small purchases.
Accept a cheque that bounces for $25 in merchandise. Righ up front the
bank dings you a charge of, what, the better part of $10 for returning
an NSF cheque. Then there is the cost of tracking down the person who
wrote the cheque in the first place and trying to get payment for the
goods in question.

Fact is, it isn't worth the hassle to the stores to deal with this kind
of stuff.

Stores don't survive in a competitive market giving away free
merchanise--unless the cost of that free merchandise is built into an
advertising and marketing campaign or is provided as a loss leader with
the expectation that the customer will purchase more merchandise of
greater value.

BTW, making purchases with counterfeit money is making a business give
you free merchandise without the consent of the business.

As to the severity of the problem, if governments and businesses didn't
put the energy into stopping the problem, the problem would be a whole
lot worse.

--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.

-- Oscar Wilde

[bou bou]

and 10's of millions spent on specially stamped coins (but only
laundered to our liberal friends)

[King Jeremy The Wicked]

In article <Ta5Ne.2331$***@news1.mts.net>,
***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com says...
>
>I have an answer to I.D. theft.
>
>Don't own a credit card.
>
>I don't and never will have one. Why should I practice credit... I have
>money with which to pay!!!
>

Then you are a perfect target for ID theft. Just order a copy of your birth
certificate, grab a BCID and then run your credit up like crazy.

Looks like your tinfoil beenie won't save you this time!

[Bock]

The only denomination I use are 5 dollar bills. While the could be
counterfeit, it is unlikely and nobody has ever refused to take that
denomination.

[t***@nocomment.com]

Bock wrote:

> The only denomination I use are 5 dollar bills. While the could be
> counterfeit, it is unlikely and nobody has ever refused to take that
> denomination.

Actually, a few years ago someone was given a fake $5. He then tried to
use it and the Chinese lady at the store got all upset at him.
It doesn't happen often but it will start to occur more and more.

[t***@nocomment.com]

Sharx35 wrote:

> <***@nocomment.com> wrote in message
> news:b7SdnYPJnINGcpjeRVn-***@rogers.com...
>
>>Bock wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The only denomination I use are 5 dollar bills. While the could be
>>>counterfeit, it is unlikely and nobody has ever refused to take that
>>>denomination.
>>
>>Actually, a few years ago someone was given a fake $5. He then tried to
>>use it and the Chinese lady at the store got all upset at him.
>>It doesn't happen often but it will start to occur more and more.
>
>
> He used on $5 bill?? Was that the going price for a BJ in the fag community?
>
>
What part of "Chinese lady" don't you understand?

[Robot Man]

"...I have an answer to I.D. theft.
Don't own a credit card.
I don't and never will have one. Why should I practice credit... I have
money with which to pay!!!..."


Reality check here , you don't need to own a credit card to suffer identity
theft....
There are many other ways identity theft can be perpetrated...
That has been proven ,unfortunately , to thousands of people...
"not owning a credit card" is not an answer to the problem , by any stretch
of
the imagination....

and "practicing credit" is not limited to having a credit card....

if you have a telco account , pay rent for an apartment , have an electric
bill ,
any kind of service where you receive a monthly bill , irregardless of
whether
you pay for it in cash , you have a "credit " situation....
You have a credit rating....

and that credit rating can be exploited by someone else for illegal gain....










"TC" <***@DIESPAMDIEflashmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ta5Ne.2331$***@news1.mts.net...
> Counterfeit currency is a non-issue, yet it continually makes headlines.
> Why?
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050818/ts_usatoday/digitalimagingchangesf
> aceofcounterfeitbills


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