Post by z***@windstream.net- Revised Standard
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness
beyond thy comrades."
"thy God". Yes Jesus has a God.
Post by Timothy Sutter==
Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church,
who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,
that in all things He may have the preeminence.
If Jesus is firstborn from the dead, what about the resurrection of
Lazarus? Was he not raised before Jesus? In what way is Jesus FIRST?
so, you're arguing with the scritture as written?
certainly, Paul refers to Christ as "firstborn from the dead"
that's the quote...
but, seeing as how you asked and someone somewhere -may-
have an interest in this sort of thing, meditate on this;
in case some of this "firstborn from the dead"
business is perplexing, look at this;
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John 12:23-25
But Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come
that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly,
I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground
and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces
much grain. He who loves his life will lose it, and
he who hates his life in this world will
keep it for eternal life.
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Jesus is speaking about his being "glorified"
and then he mentions how a grain must die.
also remember Jesus as "first fruits"
and as that "Holy One" who shall not see "corruption"
and then look at what Paul says;
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1 Corinthians 15:35-49
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised up?
And with what body do they come?" Foolish one, what
you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what
you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but
mere grain" perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God
gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind
of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish,
and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and
terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one,
and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory
of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of
the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown
in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor,
it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is
a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written,
"The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became
a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but
the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was
of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust;
and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall
also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
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only, we do not say that Jesus was 'sown in corruption'
but most certainly was sown a 'natural body' and raised -back-
into that Glory known before the onset of creation.
see, the thing to consider here is how Jesus, the man,
dies, and is raised into a 'glory' that he already had
before he was 'brought forth' from 'heaven' [John 8:23]
so, in the same way as we as human decendants
of the first man, adam, will be converted into
spiritual bodies when we are ressurected and changed
in the twinkling of an eye in like manner to Jesus,
Jesus, the man, was himself raised and
'glorified' as an immortal spirit body,
only this glorified spirit body was essentially
identical to the 'glory' known before the onset
of all creation.
this makes the risen glorified Jesus
the exacting magnified image of the deity
which is the consequence of the redemption
of the material creation into unity with the Godhead.
only that we do not as yet see all
things in this manner, but we see Jesus
who was made to be a little lower than
the angels and raised and given a name
that is above all others.
so, in this respect, Jesus, the man,
is first born from the dead, in that
Jesus was raised up and, converted back
into a glorified Spiritual body like 'he'
had known before and like -we-, as human
beings, will come to know because God had
tasted death and swallowed it up.
and also, you may wish to consider this bit;
the "difference" between YHWH
and Jesus of Nazareth is
a subtle one.
while YHWH spoke thru the Mercy Seat,
atop the ark of the covenant, the wooden ark
overlayed in gold made no contribution
to the speech emanating forth.
as YHWH conceived in Mary
the fullness of Deity came to dwell bodily
in Jesus and was Jesus, but, Jesus was -not-
a wooden ark which offered no contribution
of its own.
no, Jesus had something that all human beings
have and no wooden arks have, and that is
the neo-cortex and human mind.
accepting that we camn all agree that Jesus,
the man, had a brain even though it may not
be explicitly stated in the gospels.
Jesus is said to have had hands and feet and
a head and mouth and blood and emotions, and so,
we should safely conclude that Jesus had
a brain as well, which was the seat
of a human conscious mind.
the human mind of Jesus came in to complete
subjection and full agreement with the
personal God which is the Living God
which is YHWH.
giving Jesus that perfect and substantial
Faith thru intimate personalized knowledge.
the human mind of Jesus became an identical
representation of the personalized Living God
and the Holy Spirit, which conceived in Mary,
so identified with the human mind that was born
that the subsequent indwelling was received
with a hearty declaration from God,
"This is My Son, in Whom i am well pleased"
the mind of Jesus, conceived by the Holy Spirit
in the human being, became an exact representational
Image of the Mind of God, which no thing has ever seen
or fully understood, and when the overlay was sealed
by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon the symbolic
death burial and resurrection of the flesh,
no conflict was brought in to question.
that is, the mind of Jesus, birthed in the human being
by the Holy Spirit was a representational Identity
to the Holy Spirit who came to rest
upon the man's shoulders.
the 'two' were essentially identical,
and, as One, the Faith had no bounds
nor overshadowing even to the defeat of death.
now, -we-, the human beings, who are born of Adam,
see Jesus, that exact representation and Image of God,
as the doorway thru which -we- can become severely
United with God, as was intended from the beginning.
we could never identify with, or
thru, a wooden ark overlayed in Gold.
but we can commune directly with the human character
of Jesus, which has risen above mortallity, and dwells
within the unapproachable Light which is God's Presence.
that is -our- Saving Grace.
Identifying with the Presence.
at Peace
and that's all part of the thing;
the identity of "Lamb" as in "the Lamb of God"
for, we do not say that YHWH God was changed or altered -by- man
-but- that some aspect of =man= as in 'mankind'
was lifted in to the Godhead...
someone may want to check this part out;
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Revelation 21:23
And the city has no need of the sun nor of
the moon, that they should shine for it; for
the glory of God has enlightened it, and
the lamp thereof [is] the Lamb.
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remember who the Lamb is;
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John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes
away the sin of the world!
John 1:36
And looking at Jesus as He walked,
he said, "Behold the Lamb of God!"
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what you should see is that a "lamp"
-is- a spirit in what we may call
"bible parlance" that is, you should
see how a "lamp" is used as
synonymous with spirit.
God's Own Lamp is not a
vessel like Alladin's lamp.
a "lamp" is also the light that shines.
Holy Spirit is, in fact, a lamp.
David says this;
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Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my
feet And a light to my path.
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but see, he's already said this;
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Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
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the reason that David could say that
YHWH's Word was a lamp to his feet was
-because- the Holy Spirit was a
lamp to his mind.
because;
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Isaiah 6:10
Make the heart of this people calloused; make
their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise
they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
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which implies that without God's light to
the mind, you can read the God's Word all
day long and get zero out of it.
like many people who make vain attempts
at attacking the bible show regularly.
and all the bits about the eye
being the lamp of the body etc.
the Holy Spirit is the Eye of God
it illuminates man.
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Proverbs 20:26-28
A wise king sifts out the wicked, And
brings the threshing wheel over them.
the spirit of a man is the lamp of YHWH
Searching all the inner depths of his
heart. Mercy and truth preserve the king,
And by lovingkindness he upholds his throne.
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the spirit of man is the lamp of YHWH.
therefore, a "spirit" is like a lamp.
now look here;
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1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knows the things of a man except the
spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one
knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
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alright, so you see that man has a spirit
in him and God, also, has a Spirit.
can say "is a Spirit" but that's
not the issue here.
so look, if man's spirit, is YHWH's lamp,
then God's Spirit is God's OWN Lamp.
and one that burns perpetually and never
need fueling or refilling or whathaveyou.
look at these from Exodus, which are
likenesses of the Eternal Realities.
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Exodus 27:20
"And you shall command the children of Israel
that they bring you pure oil of pressed olives
for the light, to cause the lamp to burn continually.
Leviticus 24:2
"Command the children of Israel that they bring
to you pure oil of pressed olives for the light,
to make the lamps burn continually.
Leviticus 24:4
He shall be in charge of the lamps on the
pure gold lampstand before YHWH continually.
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Hebrews 9:24
For Christ has not entered the holy places
made with hands, which are copies of the true,
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the
presence of God for us;
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see, these Lamps are to burn continually.
yes, they are physical copies and shadows of
the eternal realities, but the point of issue
is that they are -supposed- to be ever burning
and as such, God's Spirit never ceases,
but is everlasting.
i throw this in just for good measure;
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2 Samuel 22:28-30
You will save the humble people;
But Your eyes are on the haughty,
that You may bring them down.
"For You are my lamp, YHWH;
YHWH shall enlighten my darkness.
For by You I can run against a troop;
By my God I can leap over a wall.
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look, YHWH is a lamp also.
just like Lamb is a lamp.
Lamp is a figurative term
used to describe a facet of God.
please, this is considering a Spiritual thing,
in terms that only shadow the reality. we are
not considering Lamb as if Lamb was a lamp
which must be continually filled with oil
and whose wick must be trimmed etc.
this is not the case.
this "lamp" is an integral part of God.
in fact, it's as if this Lamp -is- God,
and that is exactly how you should
be seeing this.
YHWH is sending YHWH into a human flesh.
that which resides in the flesh is YHWH.
the True Light.
but now, we see that Lamb is alive
forevermore and everlasting, as before.
and as above, just as the spirit in man
is YHWH's lamp, so is Christ's Spirit,
the Holy Spirit, God's OWN Lamp.
only this Lamp is perpetually lit.
and God's Glory Shines forth from God.
God is both Light and Lamp.
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Matthew 6:22
"The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore
your eye is good, your whole body will be full
of light.
Luke 11:34
The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore,
when your eye is good, your whole body also
is full of light. But when your eye is bad,
your body also is full of darkness.
Revelation 5:6
And between the throne and the four living creatures
and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though
it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes,
which are the seven spirits of God sent
out into all the earth;
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see, The Lamb has seven eyes like seven
lamps only some agree that seven is ONE Week,
and these seven eyes are the seven sprits of God,
which most will agree there is but One Spirit of God.
so, this agrees quite readily
with what was shown above.
that this "Lamp" is God's Own Spirit,
and not a thing which is -not- God.
can you see this?
and God's Lamp never goes out nor is it
in need of refueling, nor is it an
abstractable thing which is -not- God.
this "Lamp" is God's OWN Spirit.
and the Lamb has -Eyes-
which are God's Spirit.
and therefore, as it were,
the Lamb is Lamp, but not
-only- Lamp.
God -is- a Holy Spirit.
and this Light burns perpetually.
and Jesus is The Lamb and
The Lamb is The Lamp and the
Lamp is The Spirit of God.
Jesus Christ, not only
is YHWH incarnate but
is the Spirit of God.
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Ephesians 2:22
in whom you also are built into it for
a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
Ephesians 3:17
and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through
faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
2 Timothy 1:14
guard the truth that has been entrusted to you
by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.
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and Jesus is The Lamb and
The Lamb is The Lamp and the
Lamp is The Spirit of God.
Jesus Christ, not only
is YHWH incarnate but
is the Spirit of God.
Christ is in your midst;
there is no Temple in the world
to come, God will dwell -in- them.
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Romans 12:5
so we, though many, are one body in Christ,
and individually members one of another.
1 Corinthians 12:12
For just as the body is one and has many members,
and all the members of the body, though many, are
one body, so it is with Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ
and individually members of it.
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1 Corinthians 15:44-46
It is sown a physical body, it is raised a
spiritual body. If there is a physical body,
there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written,
"The first man Adam became a living being"; the last
Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not
the spiritual which is first but the physical,
and then the spiritual.
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Ephesians 2:21-22
in whom the whole structure is joined together
and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in
whom you also are built into it for a dwelling
place of God in the Spirit.
Revelation 21:3
and I heard a loud voice from the throne
saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men.
He will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself will be with them;
2 Corinthians 5:1-3
For we know that if the earthly tent we live
in is destroyed, we have a building from God,
a house not made with hands, eternal in the
heavens. Here indeed we groan, and long to put
on our heavenly dwelling, so that by putting
it on we may not be found naked.
John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and
the Father in me? The words that I say to you
I do not speak on my own authority; but the
Father who dwells in me does his works.
John 14:17
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world
cannot receive, because it neither sees him
nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells
with you, and will be in you.
Acts 7:47-49
But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made
with hands; as the prophet says, 'Heaven is my
throne, and earth my footstool. What house will
you build for me, says the Lord, or what
is the place of my rest?
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there is no house that man can build
to house God. that's the whole
bloody point.
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1 Corinthians 3:15-17
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss,
though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's
Spirit dwells in you? If any one destroys God's temple,
God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy,
and that temple you are.
Ephesians 2:22
in whom you also are built into it for
a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
Ephesians 3:17
and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through
faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
2 Timothy 1:14
guard the truth that has been entrusted to you
by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.
Revelation 21:2-4
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband; and I heard a loud voice from the
throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with
men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself will be with them; he will
wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall
be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying
nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."
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there is no Temple, the Body of Christ,
the Church, the Bride of Christ is a
dwelling place for God.
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Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his
Bride has made herself ready;
Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming
down out of heaven from God, prepared as
a bride adorned for her husband;
2 Corinthians 11:2
I feel a divine jealousy for you, for
I betrothed you to Christ to present
you as a pure bride to her one husband.
Revelation 21:9
Then came one of the seven angels who had the
seven bowls full of the seven last plagues,
and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will
show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."
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Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.