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Vicky Ayech
2021-06-19 10:40:12 UTC
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I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.

Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.

I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over? I know
the actress has other work. Did she and Adam get shares instead of
cottages? If Adam walks out now Brian will be in trouble, won't he?
But Adam needs his salary as Ian is not working, unless Ian goes back
and he stays at home to look after Xander. He said he loves Rory
anyway but will it be difficult now having Rory living with them? And
Rory has exams and needs to study in peace.

Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.

He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
Mike McMillan
2021-06-19 12:23:12 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.
I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over? I know
the actress has other work. Did she and Adam get shares instead of
cottages? If Adam walks out now Brian will be in trouble, won't he?
But Adam needs his salary as Ian is not working, unless Ian goes back
and he stays at home to look after Xander. He said he loves Rory
anyway but will it be difficult now having Rory living with them? And
Rory has exams and needs to study in peace.
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
What a lot of questions Vicky! Poisonally, I’m happy to let the SW’s
mishandle it all - after all, they have all the aces that we know as PTF’s
and they have the keys to the Tardis so can expand / shrink the time
continuum to match their needs. I’m happy to let them continue to make a
total mess of Ambridge whilst I sit back in my easy chair on the corner of
the Village Green and poke holes in all their endeavours and ridicule their
every attempt at entertaining us all. Without their abysmal performance,
UMRA would have no real claim to exist!
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-06-19 15:27:33 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest, but I seem to
be in the minority here and on the Twittersphere of liking Adam (partly
_for_ his dullness, though I question that anyway). But he _did_ steal
it, though IMO didn't intend to as such. (I presume he's had to take
disadvantageous terms on the loan. And I presume its repayment requires
his income to continue!)
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Alice, yes; not so sure about Kate - she has caused him extreme problems
in the past.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
I too get confused. Including with the mix at Brookfield.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
Yes. Though (arguably) dull, I have no doubt Adam _is_ a hard, or at
least conscientious, worker: almost every time (ISTM: YMMV) we hear from
him, it's either in the farm office or on a combine or similar. (This
may be _why_ some think him dull.)
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Though I hadn't extended it that far. Whether that's Brian's intention
or not, I haven't got the impression Rr is _that_ interested in the
farm, nor have I been that aware of him getting much training in it.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.
I suspect any reminders of what the situation is are definitely kept
vague, for future flexibility. B certainly made it clear he'd like - in
the heat of the moment - to fire A, but I don't think he _actually_ said
so. If that does happen (and as you suggest, there might need to be
partners meeting or something [at which I think Debbie would support A:
she knows about the boring but necessary aspects of running/managing]),
there would have to be matters of notice, and (should A decide to fight)
grounds etcetera.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over? I know
the actress has other work. Did she and Adam get shares instead of
cottages? If Adam walks out now Brian will be in trouble, won't he?
If A got shares and decided to (might have to) sell them, yes.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
But Adam needs his salary as Ian is not working, unless Ian goes back
and he stays at home to look after Xander.
That would seem like an option - except I don't think there's anything
for Ian to go back _to_ at the moment, is there?
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
He said he loves Rory
anyway but will it be difficult now having Rory living with them? And
I've forgotten the details of that arrangement, and the reasons for it.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Rory has exams and needs to study in peace.
You mean not sharing a home with a baby? Not ideal, but I'm sure is the
situation in many homes around the country )-:.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
That's what Joy _does_: she's completely insensitive to hints that she's
doing so. I don't think actually with any evil intent, but that doesn't
make it any less irritating (sometimes more so as one is less inclined
to be forthright with such a person that I would with, say, Susan).
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
Agreed.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
What, Kung fu teacher, figurine collector, good with Henwee?
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
I would say so.
Post by Mike McMillan
What a lot of questions Vicky! Poisonally, I’m happy to let the SW’s
mishandle it all - after all, they have all the aces that we know as PTF’s
and they have the keys to the Tardis so can expand / shrink the time
continuum to match their needs.
I’m happy to let them continue to make a
total mess of Ambridge whilst I sit back in my easy chair on the corner of
the Village Green and poke holes in all their endeavours and ridicule their
every attempt at entertaining us all. Without their abysmal performance,
UMRA would have no real claim to exist!
Come on, though I enjoy the humour of the above, they (and the cast and
crew) do some cracking stuff too - last week (or is it the week before
last) has been generally praised, hasn't it?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

And indeed, Dutch isn't a lanuguage, it's a throat disease.
- Frank Slootweg in 3 Windows newsgroups, 2019-7-24
Mike McMillan
2021-06-19 15:54:43 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest, but I seem to
be in the minority here and on the Twittersphere of liking Adam (partly
_for_ his dullness, though I question that anyway). But he _did_ steal
it, though IMO didn't intend to as such. (I presume he's had to take
disadvantageous terms on the loan. And I presume its repayment requires
his income to continue!)
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Alice, yes; not so sure about Kate - she has caused him extreme problems
in the past.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
I too get confused. Including with the mix at Brookfield.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
Yes. Though (arguably) dull, I have no doubt Adam _is_ a hard, or at
least conscientious, worker: almost every time (ISTM: YMMV) we hear from
him, it's either in the farm office or on a combine or similar. (This
may be _why_ some think him dull.)
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Though I hadn't extended it that far. Whether that's Brian's intention
or not, I haven't got the impression Rr is _that_ interested in the
farm, nor have I been that aware of him getting much training in it.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.
I suspect any reminders of what the situation is are definitely kept
vague, for future flexibility. B certainly made it clear he'd like - in
the heat of the moment - to fire A, but I don't think he _actually_ said
so. If that does happen (and as you suggest, there might need to be
she knows about the boring but necessary aspects of running/managing]),
there would have to be matters of notice, and (should A decide to fight)
grounds etcetera.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over? I know
the actress has other work. Did she and Adam get shares instead of
cottages? If Adam walks out now Brian will be in trouble, won't he?
If A got shares and decided to (might have to) sell them, yes.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
But Adam needs his salary as Ian is not working, unless Ian goes back
and he stays at home to look after Xander.
That would seem like an option - except I don't think there's anything
for Ian to go back _to_ at the moment, is there?
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
He said he loves Rory
anyway but will it be difficult now having Rory living with them? And
I've forgotten the details of that arrangement, and the reasons for it.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Rory has exams and needs to study in peace.
You mean not sharing a home with a baby? Not ideal, but I'm sure is the
situation in many homes around the country )-:.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
That's what Joy _does_: she's completely insensitive to hints that she's
doing so. I don't think actually with any evil intent, but that doesn't
make it any less irritating (sometimes more so as one is less inclined
to be forthright with such a person that I would with, say, Susan).
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
Agreed.
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
What, Kung fu teacher, figurine collector, good with Henwee?
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
I would say so.
Post by Mike McMillan
What a lot of questions Vicky! Poisonally, I’m happy to let the SW’s
mishandle it all - after all, they have all the aces that we know as PTF’s
and they have the keys to the Tardis so can expand / shrink the time
continuum to match their needs.
I’m happy to let them continue to make a
total mess of Ambridge whilst I sit back in my easy chair on the corner of
the Village Green and poke holes in all their endeavours and ridicule their
every attempt at entertaining us all. Without their abysmal performance,
UMRA would have no real claim to exist!
Come on, though I enjoy the humour of the above, they (and the cast and
crew) do some cracking stuff too - last week (or is it the week before
last) has been generally praised, hasn't it?
My tongue was in my cheek Jpeg, 😉😵‍💫
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
BrritSki
2021-06-19 16:06:32 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest
Oh yes he was. Anyone as experienced as he is in running the farm
accounts knows that you don't just help yourself to company funds like
that no matter what your intentions.
Jim Easterbrook
2021-06-19 16:37:56 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest
Oh yes he was. Anyone as experienced as he is in running the farm
accounts knows that you don't just help yourself to company funds like
that no matter what your intentions.
Didn't Brian find the discrepancy because he had attempted to take a
larger sum out to pay for Alice's rehab?
--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0
BrritSki
2021-06-19 16:46:42 UTC
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Post by Jim Easterbrook
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest
Oh yes he was. Anyone as experienced as he is in running the farm
accounts knows that you don't just help yourself to company funds like
that no matter what your intentions.
Didn't Brian find the discrepancy because he had attempted to take a
larger sum out to pay for Alice's rehab?
I think he said he was looking at the accounts with a view to doing that
but he would have agreed it with the other directors first.
Serena Blanchflower
2021-06-21 11:11:36 UTC
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Post by Jim Easterbrook
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest
Oh yes he was. Anyone as experienced as he is in running the farm
accounts knows that you don't just help yourself to company funds like
that no matter what your intentions.
Didn't Brian find the discrepancy because he had attempted to take a
larger sum out to pay for Alice's rehab?
Yes. Of course Brian claims that, having checked what was possible, he
always intended to raise it with the partners and seek their approval
first. Whether you believe him about this is another matter.
--
Best wishes, Serena
It is far better to be alone than to wish you were.
Serena Blanchflower
2021-06-21 11:10:13 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:23:12, Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
I personally think Adam was not intentionally dishonest, but I seem to
be in the minority here and on the Twittersphere of liking Adam (partly
_for_ his dullness, though I question that anyway). But he _did_ steal
it, though IMO didn't intend to as such. (I presume he's had to take
disadvantageous terms on the loan. And I presume its repayment requires
his income to continue!)
I don't dislike him as much as some people do, although I'm not sure I'd
go so far as to say that I like him.

I agree that Adam probably wasn't deliberately dishonest (or at least,
that he didn't, and doesn't, consider that there was anything dishonest
about it). However, he did take the money which he knew he wasn't
entitled to and, even if he did vaguely intend to pay it back "at some
point", there's no sign that he had any definite plan as to how/when he
was going to do so.

You frequently hear of fraudsters claiming that they always intended to
pay the money back, after they've been caught.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian would have been much less angry  and aggressive if it had been
Alice, yes; not so sure about Kate - she has caused him extreme problems
in the past.
Agreed. Especially since losing Home Farm which, in Brian's mind, was
purely because of Kate's unreasonable behaviour and nothing whatever to
do with his own errors of judgement in the past.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
I too get confused. Including with the mix at Brookfield.
Post by Vicky Ayech
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
Yes. Though (arguably) dull, I have no doubt Adam _is_ a hard, or at
least conscientious, worker: almost every time (ISTM: YMMV) we hear from
him, it's either in the farm office or on a combine or similar. (This
may be _why_ some think him dull.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Though I hadn't extended it that far. Whether that's Brian's intention
or not, I haven't got the impression Rr is _that_ interested in the
farm, nor have I been that aware of him getting much training in it.
One thing which appears to have evaded Adam's notice is their age
difference. Even if Ruairi does decide he wants to go into farming
(something there's precious little evidence of so far), he's so much
younger than Adam that, by the time he's anywhere close to being ready
to take charge, Adam will probably be very ready to retire or, at least,
to start winding down.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave  in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.
I suspect any reminders of what the situation is are definitely kept
vague, for future flexibility. B certainly made it clear he'd like - in
the heat of the moment - to fire A, but I don't think he _actually_ said
so. If that does happen (and as you suggest, there might need to be
she knows about the boring but necessary aspects of running/managing]),
there would have to be matters of notice, and (should A decide to fight)
grounds etcetera.
Post by Vicky Ayech
 I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over? I know
the actress has other work. Did she and Adam get shares instead of
cottages? If Adam walks out now Brian will be in trouble, won't he?
If A got shares and decided to (might have to) sell them, yes.
Post by Vicky Ayech
But Adam needs his salary as Ian is not working, unless Ian goes back
and he stays at home to look after Xander.
That would seem like an option - except I don't think there's anything
for Ian to go back _to_ at the moment, is there?
Post by Vicky Ayech
He said he loves Rory
anyway but will it be difficult now having Rory living with them? And
I've forgotten the details of that arrangement, and the reasons for it.
Ruairi is staying with them, to make room for Alice to go to live with
her parents for the time being. This is until either Alice has been to
rehab and all is well again (in Brian's mind, at least) or until he goes
to university. Whichever happens first.
--
Best wishes, Serena
I stayed up all night to see where the sun went, and then it dawned on me.
Sam Plusnet
2021-06-21 17:03:53 UTC
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On 21-Jun-21 12:10, Serena Blanchflower wrote: of Adam
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I don't dislike him as much as some people do, although I'm not sure I'd
go so far as to say that I like him.
I agree that Adam probably wasn't deliberately dishonest (or at least,
that he didn't, and doesn't, consider that there was anything dishonest
about it). However, he did take the money which he knew he wasn't
entitled to and, even if he did vaguely intend to pay it back "at some
point", there's no sign that he had any definite plan as to how/when he
was going to do so.
You frequently hear of fraudsters claiming that they always intended to
pay the money back, after they've been caught.
Which brings to mind Father Ted Crilly's "That money was just resting in
my account."
(It wasn't really his fault that some kid didn't get to go to Lourdes.)
--
Sam Plusnet
John Ashby
2021-06-19 14:21:14 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Brian did seem to fire Adam. Adam didn't seem to want to leave in
spite of Brian's treatment of him. Would Brian be able to just fire
him or is Adam in charge and has some sort of legal standing or
shares? I've never been clear on the situation.
I know Kate and Alice got cottages and Debbie has some kind of
manager role too. Would she be able to come home and take over?
I doubt they could afford her best friend these days.

john
Penny
2021-06-20 14:05:10 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 11:40:12 +0100, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
I relistened to that this morning and still couldn't figure out what Adam
had done and why - but I've not been very with it for a couple of weeks, as
I have been discovering in my recovery...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
I'm not sure Lee 'fits' Helen - time will tell. He's a very affable chap
but Helen is not entirely comfortable, as far as I can make out - possibly
almost expecting the sort of reactions Rob used to have.

Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
Post by Vicky Ayech
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
They really didn't seem a likely pair to be having that conversation at
all. I've never liked Adam and the chip on his shoulder and his outpouring
to Lee seemed unbelievable to me.

Going back to Joy.
Little bits of her back story are slowly seeping out and the more they do
the less I believe in the continued existence of her daughter.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-06-20 14:43:11 UTC
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 15:05:10, Penny <***@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
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Post by Penny
I'm not sure Lee 'fits' Helen - time will tell. He's a very affable chap
but Helen is not entirely comfortable, as far as I can make out - possibly
almost expecting the sort of reactions Rob used to have.
I fear that may remain the case with any chap. I had high hopes for Lee
- he did seem to make H. _happy_, and I still hope all may be well. His
reaction - or lack of it! - to the unboxing bodes well, unless you think
he's bottling it up, which I genuinely don't think he is.
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
I hope so. Though (based entirely on fiction! - mainly SVU, I think)
such people _do_ claim/seem to be reformed, without actually being so.
[]
Post by Penny
They really didn't seem a likely pair to be having that conversation at
all. I've never liked Adam and the chip on his shoulder and his outpouring
to Lee seemed unbelievable to me.
A shoulder chip is never attractive (I know of some of my own, and am
not proud of them). But equally, I'm pretty sure Adam's one is - I don't
want to say valid, as that sounds like I'm endorsing it - based on a
true situation; Brine _does_ seem to treat him - well, recent blow-up
notwithstanding - rather more frostily, or at least _formally_, than the
others. (Origins before my <1985 steady listening, though I know the
bare bones.)
Post by Penny
Going back to Joy.
Little bits of her back story are slowly seeping out and the more they do
the less I believe in the continued existence of her daughter.
I still enjoy Joy. Her references to "the dollies" was priceless!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as Eeyore sneezed the crack all over Owl.
Nick Odell
2021-06-20 15:12:04 UTC
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 15:05:10 +0100, Penny <***@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

<snip>
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
<snip>
I think that may have been Woman's Hour on Monday. Or could you have
heard the segment repeated on the Saturday programme? I was very taken
by that segment and found the Damascene conversion convincing.

Nick
Penny
2021-06-20 15:53:54 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:12:04 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
<snip>
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
<snip>
I think that may have been Woman's Hour on Monday. Or could you have
heard the segment repeated on the Saturday programme? I was very taken
by that segment and found the Damascene conversion convincing.
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Mike McMillan
2021-06-20 16:50:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Penny
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:12:04 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
<snip>
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
<snip>
I think that may have been Woman's Hour on Monday. Or could you have
heard the segment repeated on the Saturday programme? I was very taken
by that segment and found the Damascene conversion convincing.
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
😊
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
Serena Blanchflower
2021-06-21 11:12:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Penny
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
Welcome back!
--
Best wishes, Serena
If nothing goes right, go left.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-06-21 14:56:59 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 12:12:01, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
Welcome back!
Indeed.

Though don't get _too_ normal - this _is_ UMRA, after all (-:.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I asked a sample of people if they liked answering questionnaires, and 100% of
respondents said "Yes". - PMC @PmcRetired on twitter, 2020-11-18
Mike McMillan
2021-06-21 15:57:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 12:12:01, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
Welcome back!
Indeed.
Though don't get _too_ normal - this _is_ UMRA, after all (-:.
‘Normal’: A condition or state of mind that others display - unless they
happen to be UMRATS.
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
Penny
2021-06-21 21:49:41 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:57:29 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 12:12:01, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
Welcome back!
Indeed.
Though don't get _too_ normal - this _is_ UMRA, after all (-:.
‘Normal’: A condition or state of mind that others display - unless they
happen to be UMRATS.
Thank you for the welcome back - I haven't really been away, just
increasingly aware of how badly my brain had been functioning for a couple
of weeks, largely due to lack of sleep. I presented some very strange
theories to the nurse practitioner when I spoke to her on the phone.

The most frustrating thing, especially while D#1 was here, was an inability
to find the word I wanted to say, words seem to be coming back now, though
spelling has slipped a bit but it's been doing that since last spring.

I've done more talking to actual people in the same room than I've done in
18 months - exhausting in itself.
One of the subjects discussed was 'normal' and how everyone has their own.
Of course the NHS don't seem to understand this, I think their normals are
based upon a bunch of healthy male medical students at some point in the
last century.

Anyway, my normal is returning - hurrah!
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Chris
2021-06-22 14:22:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Penny
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:57:29 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 12:12:01, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
Could well be, I've had a very confusing week with even less idea than
usual about what happened when. Now, on the last day of a week's course of
antibiotics and steroids, and having had D#1 (previously last seen 18
months ago) staying with me for a couple of days - the joy! the hugs! - I
think I'm getting my head back to something like normal function.
Welcome back!
Indeed.
Though don't get _too_ normal - this _is_ UMRA, after all (-:.
‘Normal’: A condition or state of mind that others display - unless they
happen to be UMRATS.
Thank you for the welcome back - I haven't really been away, just
increasingly aware of how badly my brain had been functioning for a couple
of weeks, largely due to lack of sleep. I presented some very strange
theories to the nurse practitioner when I spoke to her on the phone.
The most frustrating thing, especially while D#1 was here, was an inability
to find the word I wanted to say, words seem to be coming back now, though
spelling has slipped a bit but it's been doing that since last spring.
I've done more talking to actual people in the same room than I've done in
18 months - exhausting in itself.
One of the subjects discussed was 'normal' and how everyone has their own.
Of course the NHS don't seem to understand this, I think their normals are
based upon a bunch of healthy male medical students at some point in the
last century.
Anyway, my normal is returning - hurrah!
Hurrah!!

Sincerely Chris
Hellerat
2021-06-24 07:57:28 UTC
Permalink
<snip>
Post by Chris
Post by Penny
Thank you for the welcome back - I haven't really been away, just
increasingly aware of how badly my brain had been functioning for a couple
of weeks, largely due to lack of sleep. I presented some very strange
theories to the nurse practitioner when I spoke to her on the phone.
The most frustrating thing, especially while D#1 was here, was an inability
to find the word I wanted to say, words seem to be coming back now, though
spelling has slipped a bit but it's been doing that since last spring.
I've done more talking to actual people in the same room than I've done in
18 months - exhausting in itself.
One of the subjects discussed was 'normal' and how everyone has their own.
Of course the NHS don't seem to understand this, I think their normals are
based upon a bunch of healthy male medical students at some point in the
last century.
Anyway, my normal is returning - hurrah!
Hurrah!!
Hurrah too three!

I love that idea of norms being based on healthy male medical students from the last
century! It wouldn't surprise me, given how much women who have any sort of gynaecological
problem such as dysmenorrhea or PCOS, still get told to go away, undiagnosed, for wasting
their doctors' time with trivia.
--
Yassas,
Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Hellerat
Penny
2021-06-24 10:00:12 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 10:57:28 +0300, Hellerat <***@mail.com> scrawled
in the dust...
Post by Hellerat
I love that idea of norms being based on healthy male medical students from the last
century! It wouldn't surprise me, given how much women who have any sort of gynaecological
problem such as dysmenorrhea or PCOS, still get told to go away, undiagnosed, for wasting
their doctors' time with trivia.
Oh, it's very true, though the date will vary and may well date back to
19th century or further.
You can be suffering from all manner of debilitating symptoms but a blood
test will show your, e.g. blood calcium levels, are within the 'norm'* and
nothing will be offered or done - except in my case, an instruction to
drink milk (which in itself is not necessarily helpful but did give me a
clue).

There are tales all the time on Woman's Hour, from female doctors,
explaining this problem, but getting everything recalibrated will take a
long time and the funding for studies.

* Then there is the problem of health staff not understanding stats and
graphs. D#1 told me a tale of a friend who had recently had a baby. She was
breast feeding and the child was thriving but the woman she saw at the baby
clinic, compared its weight with the chart in the baby book and suggested
the mother should supplement with formula feeds. The mother asked the nurse
to look at the name printed on the edge of the chart and pointed out it was
her own name, she had done the study and created the chart and her baby's
weight was well within the 'norm'.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Chris
2021-06-25 10:13:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Penny
in the dust...
Post by Hellerat
I love that idea of norms being based on healthy male medical students from the last
century! It wouldn't surprise me, given how much women who have any sort
of gynaecological
problem such as dysmenorrhea or PCOS, still get
told to go away, undiagnosed, for wasting
their doctors' time with trivia.
Oh, it's very true, though the date will vary and may well date back to
19th century or further.
You can be suffering from all manner of debilitating symptoms but a blood
test will show your, e.g. blood calcium levels, are within the 'norm'* and
nothing will be offered or done - except in my case, an instruction to
drink milk (which in itself is not necessarily helpful but did give me a
clue).
There are tales all the time on Woman's Hour, from female doctors,
explaining this problem, but getting everything recalibrated will take a
long time and the funding for studies.
* Then there is the problem of health staff not understanding stats and
graphs. D#1 told me a tale of a friend who had recently had a baby. She was
breast feeding and the child was thriving but the woman she saw at the baby
clinic, compared its weight with the chart in the baby book and suggested
the mother should supplement with formula feeds. The mother asked the nurse
to look at the name printed on the edge of the chart and pointed out it was
her own name, she had done the study and created the chart and her baby's
weight was well within the 'norm'.
ROTFLMAO

Sincerely Chris

steve hague
2021-06-20 16:03:23 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
<snip>
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
<snip>
I think that may have been Woman's Hour on Monday. Or could you have
heard the segment repeated on the Saturday programme? I was very taken
by that segment and found the Damascene conversion convincing.
Nick
I didn't hear it, but if I didn't believe that people can change for the
better, I wouldn't believe what I believe, IYSWIM. That doesn't mean I
would have employed Myra Hindley as a baby sitter.
Steve.
Mike McMillan
2021-06-20 16:52:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by steve hague
Post by Nick Odell
<snip>
Post by Penny
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
<snip>
I think that may have been Woman's Hour on Monday. Or could you have
heard the segment repeated on the Saturday programme? I was very taken
by that segment and found the Damascene conversion convincing.
Nick
I didn't hear it, but if I didn't believe that people can change for the
better, I wouldn't believe what I believe, IYSWIM. That doesn't mean I
would have employed Myra Hindley as a baby sitter.
Steve.
I heard that King Herod was an alternative but possibly booked up.
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
Mike McMillan
2021-06-20 16:49:39 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
I relistened to that this morning and still couldn't figure out what Adam
had done and why - but I've not been very with it for a couple of weeks, as
I have been discovering in my recovery...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
I'm not sure Lee 'fits' Helen - time will tell. He's a very affable chap
but Helen is not entirely comfortable, as far as I can make out - possibly
almost expecting the sort of reactions Rob used to have.
Speaking of Rob, I heard an interview, maybe yesterday, with a previously
abusive bloke. He described his own behaviour - which was appalling - but
now understands all the things which were wrong with it and really does
sound like a changed man, regretting the loss of his wife and children,
claiming all responsibility, knowing he brought it upon himself.
Post by Vicky Ayech
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
They really didn't seem a likely pair to be having that conversation at
all. I've never liked Adam and the chip on his shoulder and his outpouring
to Lee seemed unbelievable to me.
Going back to Joy.
Little bits of her back story are slowly seeping out and the more they do
the less I believe in the continued existence of her daughter.
An ‘Under the Patio job’ maybe?
--
Toddle Pip, Mike McMillan
Serena Blanchflower
2021-06-21 10:55:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Yes, Adam was right in his complaints about Brian's treatment of him
over the years but that, in no way, justified his own behaviour.

He not only failed to account legally for the money but he also failed
to gain agreement from the partners before he took it. Yes, he has now
repaid the money but only after Brian discovered what he had done and
confronted him over it, it's pretty clear it wouldn't have been repaid
otherwise. Given how quickly and easily he appears to have been able to
get a loan for the money, one has to wonder why he couldn't have done
that in the first place.
Post by Vicky Ayech
Then there is the situation with Helen and Lee. Joy is a PITA there
and inserting herself into their life inappropriately. Her advice to
hide the truth about the figures was wrong and it was good Helen
discarded it. She should not have been there in the discussion. The
whole thing was I suppose to show us Helen is still nervous after her
last partnership. Lee behaved well. He is boring though.
I rather like the way that both Helen and Lee appear to be damaged, at
least to some degree, by their past relationships and what went wrong in
them, and both of them are trying to learn and rebuild something different.
Post by Vicky Ayech
He did well listening to Adam too earlier in the week but I thought it
unlikely he'd be the one Adam confided in. They hardly know each
other. Is Adam unlikely to get a good reference if he leaves?
I think Adam had reached the point where he had to talk to *someone* and
it almost didn't matter who it was. Lee was there and had the advantage
of not being closely involved.
--
Best wishes, Serena
I once worked at a cheap pizza shop to get by. I kneaded the dough.
John Ashby
2021-06-21 12:31:09 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry  and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Yes, Adam was right in his complaints about Brian's treatment of him
over the years but that, in no way, justified his own behaviour.
He not only failed to account legally for the money but he also failed
to gain agreement from the partners before he took it.  Yes, he has now
repaid the money but only after Brian discovered what he had done and
confronted him over it, it's pretty clear it wouldn't have been repaid
otherwise. Given how quickly and easily he appears to have been able to
get a loan for the money, one has to wonder why he couldn't have done
that in the first place.
This was free money (i.e. a zero interest loan) unlike the one from the
bank.

One wonders how frequently the farm pays out its profit share if this
has been hanging for three months.

john
krw
2021-06-21 12:57:07 UTC
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Post by John Ashby
One wonders how frequently the farm pays out its profit share if this
has been hanging for three months.
Probably annually, like a dividend once the year end accounts have been
done. Some might well pay an advance each month but presumably Adam has
been living on that and I assume he is paid as Farm Manager as part of
the costs pre-profit share?
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-06-21 15:05:37 UTC
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Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry  and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Yes, Adam was right in his complaints about Brian's treatment of him
over the years but that, in no way, justified his own behaviour.
Agreed on both.
Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
He not only failed to account legally for the money but he also
failed to gain agreement from the partners before he took it.  Yes,
he has now repaid the money but only after Brian discovered what he
had done and confronted him over it, it's pretty clear it wouldn't
have been repaid otherwise.
I'm not so sure about that. I think he would have. [If only before next
audit when it would have come to light anyway - but I think he's
basically an honest, if dull, person.]
Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Given how quickly and easily he appears to have been able to get a
Quickly we can't argue with. Easily, we don't know.
[]
Post by John Ashby
One wonders how frequently the farm pays out its profit share if this
has been hanging for three months.
Have we ever actually heard it doing so? I would have thought we'd at
least have heard Kate using hers irresponsibly. (Or does she not get.
But still, I don't remember such a payout ever being mentioned.)
Post by John Ashby
john
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I asked a sample of people if they liked answering questionnaires, and 100% of
respondents said "Yes". - PMC @PmcRetired on twitter, 2020-11-18
Serena Blanchflower
2021-06-21 19:27:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry  and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
 Yes, Adam was right in his complaints about Brian's treatment of him
over the years but that, in no way, justified his own behaviour.
Agreed on both.
 He not only failed to account legally for the money but he also
failed  to gain agreement from the partners before he took it.  Yes,
he has now  repaid the money but only after Brian discovered what he
had done and  confronted him over it, it's pretty clear it wouldn't
have been repaid  otherwise.
I'm not so sure about that. I think he would have. [If only before next
audit when it would have come to light anyway - but I think he's
basically an honest, if dull, person.]
I'm sure that that's what he believes too. However, I think it would
have stayed as something he was going to do at some point in the future,
until something happened (as it did this week) to force the point.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Given how quickly and easily he appears to have been able to  get a
Quickly we can't argue with. Easily, we don't know.
True.
--
Best wishes, Serena
I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.
Chris
2021-06-22 14:22:23 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just wondered what people think about what's happening in Ambridge
:).
Adam did forget to account legally for the money but has repaid it.
Brian would have been much less angry  and aggressive if it had been
Kate or Alice. I think Adam has a point that Brian behaved very badly
agreeing to Rory's idea to get rid of sheep, or was it have just
sheep? I'd always thought Brian is using Adam to work hard and keep
things going until Rory is old enough and has been trained to be boss.
Yes, Adam was right in his complaints about Brian's treatment of him
over the years but that, in no way, justified his own behaviour.
Agreed on both.
Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
He not only failed to account legally for the money but he also
failed to gain agreement from the partners before he took it.  Yes,
he has now repaid the money but only after Brian discovered what he
had done and confronted him over it, it's pretty clear it wouldn't
have been repaid otherwise.
I'm not so sure about that. I think he would have. [If only before next
audit when it would have come to light anyway - but I think he's
basically an honest, if dull, person.]
Post by John Ashby
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Given how quickly and easily he appears to have been able to get a
Quickly we can't argue with. Easily, we don't know.
[]
Post by John Ashby
One wonders how frequently the farm pays out its profit share if this
has been hanging for three months.
Have we ever actually heard it doing so? I would have thought we'd at
least have heard Kate using hers irresponsibly. (Or does she not get.
But still, I don't remember such a payout ever being mentioned.)
Post by John Ashby
john
John
As I said to my nin netted girlfriend who’s been lucky enough to have been
able to listen to TA since she was a 1960s teenager, until recent times
finance wasn’t a plot, just like using brands or costs of individual items
in the shop things.

Sincerely Chris
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