Post by The TodalPost by YellowPost by GBPost by YellowThe people voted for Brexit in 2016 and at this time the House is aiming
to overturn that result so it is surely right to ask the people if that
is what they want.
Even a hardened Brexiteer must admit that the majority of people do not
want a no-deal Brexit and have not voted for it.
Interestingly the polls (for what they are worth) seem to suggest people
are quite prepared to accept a no-deal exit and the numbers in favour of
that outcome increases when asked if they would prefer a no-deal exit or
a Corbyn government.
But more interestingly, none of the parties in their various manifestos
ever said that they were willing to go for a no-deal Brexit and on the
contrary all of them were either against Brexit or against a no-deal or
in favour of a good withdrawal agreement.
None of the ones that matter were against Brexit. They said thery would
honour the result of the referendum and leave the EU.
All they could logically do would be to *try* to negotiate a good deal.
None of them said if that failed they would revoke Article 50. Everyone
was well aware that the alternative and default position was leaving
with no deal. They were only against that because it was not their
preferred option. They were not against it if the preferred option was
not available.
Post by The TodalLogically, that would support the call for another referendum to see
whether most of the electorate are stupid enough to support a no-deal
Brexit out of boredom or a mischievous desire to throw a spanner in the
works.
We made that decision in 2016. It was not a draw.
Post by The TodalPost by YellowPost by GBOf course, they should be asked again what they really want.
We have already said we want to leave so the government has a mandate
for that but what they do not have is a mandate to stop us from leaving
and if Parliament are going to do that they I believe it is essential
that we have a General Election.
How would a General Election help?
Let me quote yet again what that nice Mr Corbyn said only six days ago:
"When a government finds itself without a majority, the solution is not
to undermine democracy. The solution is to let the people decide and
call a general election. It is the people, not an unelected Prime
Minister, who should determine our country's future. An election is the
democratic way forward."
(from 3:02 in)
Post by The TodalWhen you vote for a government you do so on the basis of a detailed
manifesto covering many aspects of national and foreign policy.
If the Tories decide that their manifesto says "we will do our utmost to
get a good exit deal but failing that we will opt for a no deal" then
they will be lying to the electorate because there is no exit deal that
is better than Theresa's deal that can be put together within a few
months. But this fake promise might con some people into voting Tory.
But it's totally hypothetical, based only on your own speculation.
Post by The TodalThey could ignore Amber Rudd and say to themselves, I'm sure behind the
scenes there are dozens of brilliant people working night and day to put
together a new, better deal. And Boris is such a charmer, I'm sure if I
sit by the phone for long enough he'll return my calls.
The success of negotiations is never guaranteed. Sensible people
realise that. In the case of Brexit, the negotiations have not
succeeded. We have not achieved a good deal, nor does one seem
available. That will be particularly so if the Bill going through
Parliament currently cuts off the implicit no-deal threat from being
used by the negotiating team.
It's a very silly and short-sighted measure. Because the default
position is no-deal, that is what will happen eventually if the now
weakened negotiations fail completely. It won't result in our accepting
a bad deal instead, or in revoking Article 50, however much some would
like that.
Post by The TodalPost by YellowPost by GBSo, you
must agree that we shouldn't leave the EU by default,
The people voted to leave and Parliament has passed legislation to
enable it. That is not "default".
Post by GBas Boris plotted
to do, until the people have voted in a new government.
We are living in very strange times indeed, when one of the few
political leaders who is prepared to move forward with the people's
wishes is painted a "plotter" and is even being threatened with prison
time.
We are living in very strange times when a Prime Minister declares that
he will break the law and disobey an Act of Parliament,
When and where has he said that explicitly?
Post by The Todaland many voters
are inclined to say yeah, right on, fuck Parliament, we're behind you,
Boris. You and Tommy Robinson!
You'll see. He won't break the law, but you can't blame him if he tries
to find ways round it. It's a very bad law, and it's frankly what it
deserves.