Discussion:
In Search of: Pathworks 5 for OS/2 and DECnet for Tru64
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"tuklu_san
2018-03-06 13:22:40 UTC
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Hello.

I am looking for a copy of the distribution of Pathworks 5.0 for OS/2
Warp to add an experimental OS/2 Warp 4.5 Server for e-Business node to
the DECnet mix (hobbyist use only). Among other things, I have tried
emailing Brian L. Juergensmeyer of
http://www.os2ezine.com/v2n7/warpwin.htm, it bounced. I have also
checked with Ian Manners of http://os2site.com/. Bitsavers has SPDs and
some documentation of an even older Pathworks for OS/2. However, I have
not been able to locate a distribution of Pathworks 5.0 or later (or
earlier!) for OS/2 so far.

I am also looking for the KIT or distribution of DECnet for Tru64 5.1B
(uname reports "OSF1 V5.1 2650 alpha"), also for purely personal
hobbyist use, though this one seems to be available only for DECnet/OSI
Phase V.

I will be grateful for any pointers to either of these two distributions.

Thank you.

Supratim Sanyal
QCOCAL::SANYAL (HECnet)
seasoned_geek
2018-03-07 13:27:39 UTC
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OS/2 WooHoo!!!

It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP last I heard.

Don't ever remember hearing or seeing Pathworks for OS/2 all of the years I ran OS/2 as my primary desktop. Kind of sad to see OS/2 go. Once they ripped out the bulk of the worthless Microsoft code with Warp it had actually become a good desktop OS. Far more stable than Windows. It came with Lotus SmartSuite 98 too. Very nice office package and great word processor. You could actually create documents on either OS/2 or Windows and exchange the files reliably. A feat you could not do with Microsoft Word or Word Perfect. Even if you installed and ran those under the OS/2 version of what we now call WINE, you could not reliably create a document in the same version of the same word processor and have it be readable on OS/2. The other two used Windows based fonts which they did not normally embed in the document. (Word Perfect had a configuration you could set to force this, but difficult to find.)
Arne Vajhøj
2018-03-07 14:22:19 UTC
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Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).

Arne
Bill Gunshannon
2018-03-07 14:26:32 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash
stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP
last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?

I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.

bill
Arne Vajhøj
2018-03-07 14:29:57 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash
stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP
last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).
Being as XP is now EOL,
That is what triggered the NCR statement.
Post by Bill Gunshannon
I wonder what they run on now?  Linux?
Good question. Most likely some are still on Windows XP, some moved to
Windows 7 and some moved to Linux.

Arne
j***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-03-07 18:37:32 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash
stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP
last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?
I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.
bill
Have you asked MS when the end of life is for Windows XP Embedded (as
distinct, in commercial terms if not in technical terms, from plain
old Windows XP desktop flavour)?

Here's spomething you might find, and where you'll find it. Not all
variants of XP are end of life yet (according to MS anyway):

"Windows Embedded Standard 2009. This product is an updated release of the toolkit and componentized version of >>>Windows XP<<<<. It was originally released in 2008, and Extended Support will end on >>>January 8, 2019<<<.

Windows Embedded POSReady 2009. This product for point of sale devices reflects the updates available in Windows Embedded Standard 2009. It was originally released on 2009, and extended support will end on April 9, 2019."

from
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/18581/lifecycle-faq-windows-products
Arne Vajhøj
2018-03-07 19:05:56 UTC
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Post by j***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Bill Gunshannon
Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash
stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP
last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?
I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.
Have you asked MS when the end of life is for Windows XP Embedded (as
distinct, in commercial terms if not in technical terms, from plain
old Windows XP desktop flavour)?
Here's spomething you might find, and where you'll find it. Not all
"Windows Embedded Standard 2009. ... It was originally released in 2008, and Extended Support will end on >>>January 8, 2019<<<.
Windows Embedded POSReady 2009. ... It was originally released on 2009, and extended support will end on April 9, 2019."
from
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/18581/lifecycle-faq-windows-products
Many ATM's run Windows XP Embedded.

But there are or at least were also some that were on
desktop Windows XP.

In 2014 the estimation was that 420000 ATM's in the US was on
desktop Windows XP.

Arne
t***@glaver.org
2018-03-07 19:30:33 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?
XP Embedded (in its POSReady 2009 form) is still supported until April, 2019.
Post by Bill Gunshannon
I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.
A very long time ago, at least one manufacturer of slot machines used RSTS/E and Silver Programs' extended BASIC.
Bill Gunshannon
2018-03-07 19:51:44 UTC
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Post by t***@glaver.org
Post by Bill Gunshannon
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?
XP Embedded (in its POSReady 2009 form) is still supported until April, 2019.
Post by Bill Gunshannon
I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.
A very long time ago, at least one manufacturer of slot machines used RSTS/E and Silver Programs' extended BASIC.
I would love to know what that was because every slot machine
I used even years after the demise of the PDP-11 were strictly
mechanical. The first computer based slot machine I ever saw
was well after the take over of the IT world by Intel Boxes.

On another but related note, has anyone noticed the elimination
of dealers in casinos? All the table games I have seen in PA
and NY anymore are "electronic" which means computer based.
I don't know about anyone else, but while I had little trust
for professional dealers I certainly wouldn't trust a machine
that not only knows all the cards in my hand but controls the
order of the cards in the deck.

bill
DaveFroble
2018-03-07 22:39:23 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
Post by t***@glaver.org
Post by Bill Gunshannon
Being as XP is now EOL, I wonder what they run on now? Linux?
XP Embedded (in its POSReady 2009 form) is still supported until April, 2019.
Post by Bill Gunshannon
I was at a casino in upstate New York and crashed one of their slot
machines. I got to watch it reboot. Apparently Linux has this market
pretty well sown up.
A very long time ago, at least one manufacturer of slot machines used
RSTS/E and Silver Programs' extended BASIC.
I would love to know what that was because every slot machine
I used even years after the demise of the PDP-11 were strictly
mechanical. The first computer based slot machine I ever saw
was well after the take over of the IT world by Intel Boxes.
On another but related note, has anyone noticed the elimination
of dealers in casinos? All the table games I have seen in PA
and NY anymore are "electronic" which means computer based.
I don't know about anyone else, but while I had little trust
for professional dealers I certainly wouldn't trust a machine
that not only knows all the cards in my hand but controls the
order of the cards in the deck.
bill
That definitely would allow some suspicions about "house advantage".

:-)
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: ***@tsoft-inc.com
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t***@glaver.org
2018-03-08 01:00:21 UTC
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Post by Bill Gunshannon
I would love to know what that was because every slot machine
I used even years after the demise of the PDP-11 were strictly
mechanical. The first computer based slot machine I ever saw
was well after the take over of the IT world by Intel Boxes.
It may have been running in the monitoring station for a group of slot machines (some machines were grouped in a large circle with a human in the middle, some were in rows of back-to-back machines with a human monitoring from the end.

A friend of mine bought a used 11X84 system and the software was still on the drive, and the extended BASIC from Silver Programs printed out the machine manufacturer's name (that was one of the components of their licensing).
seasoned_geek
2018-03-08 01:03:05 UTC
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Post by Arne Vajhøj
Post by seasoned_geek
OS/2 WooHoo!!!
It's still around. Most likely still running about half of the cash stations in the world. Well, not the Citi ones, those are running XP last I heard.
In 2014 NCR estimated that 95% of ATM's were running Windows XP (incl.
Windows XP Embedded).
That estimate had a lot of dried chicken bones involved. For quite a few years Diebold (Deibold?) rolled out OS/2 operated cash stations. Many of these went into the hands of private owners, not banks. You can actually franchise cash station business, or at least you could.

I can tell you those itty bitty cash stations at rural gas stations with a text mode screen and dial-up communications and no screen saver so the tube type monitor has stuff burned into it certainly aren't running Windows.

I would believe 95% of the cash station machines owned by the banks run by CEOs which should have went to prison for mortgage fraud are running some form of Windows. I suspect that's as much "research" as went into the study. I know Chase was running XP and were told to get off of it ~ two years ago. Might have been Citi. It was the mega bank in the same building as a client. Never really paid attention to each one.

Having said all of that, the banks don't own 95% of the cash stations. There's a really large chunk owned by small businesses and those tend to be the older machines. Those are also the machines which generally pop up with something like:

"This transaction will incur a $3 fee on top of whatever your bank charges."

When you desperate you pay it.
Wilm Boerhout
2018-03-07 19:31:04 UTC
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Post by "tuklu_san
Hello.
I am looking for a copy of the distribution of Pathworks 5.0 for OS/2
Warp to add an experimental OS/2 Warp 4.5 Server for e-Business node to
the DECnet mix (hobbyist use only). Among other things, I have tried
emailing Brian L. Juergensmeyer of
http://www.os2ezine.com/v2n7/warpwin.htm, it bounced. I have also
checked with Ian Manners of http://os2site.com/. Bitsavers has SPDs and
some documentation of an even older Pathworks for OS/2. However, I have
not been able to locate a distribution of Pathworks 5.0 or later (or
earlier!) for OS/2 so far.
I am also looking for the KIT or distribution of DECnet for Tru64 5.1B
(uname reports "OSF1 V5.1 2650 alpha"), also for purely personal
hobbyist use, though this one seems to be available only for DECnet/OSI
Phase V.
I will be grateful for any pointers to either of these two distributions.
Thank you.
Supratim Sanyal
QCOCAL::SANYAL (HECnet)
I do have a hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso, used a few times to install.
Size is ~675MB, contact me to arrange a transfer

/Wilm

(modify the return address in the obvious way)
Steven Schweda
2018-03-07 19:38:05 UTC
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Post by Wilm Boerhout
I do have a hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso, used a few times to
install.
Is that a Tru64 installation CD, or a "DECnet for Tru64
5.1B" installation kit?
Post by Wilm Boerhout
[...] (uname reports "OSF1 V5.1 2650 alpha"), [...]
"sizer -v" might tell you more than "uname -a".
Wilm Boerhout
2018-03-07 20:08:39 UTC
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Post by Steven Schweda
Post by Wilm Boerhout
I do have a hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso, used a few times to
install.
Is that a Tru64 installation CD, or a "DECnet for Tru64
5.1B" installation kit?
[snip]

When booting, it says:

P00>>>b dka600
(boot dka600.6.0.6.0)
jumping to bootstrap code

UNIX boot - Wednesday October 16, 2002

Loading vmunix ...
Loading at 0xffffffff00000000

Sizes:
text = 7922752
data = 2044560
bss = 2433008
Starting at 0xffffffff00011d70

bcm: DEGXA driver V1.0.6 NUMA lanlog
failed configuring ev7_ocla subsystem
Alpha boot: available memory from 0x290e000 to 0x3fffc000
Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650); Wed Oct 16 17:45:54 EDT 2002
physical memory = 1024.00 megabytes.
available memory = 982.92 megabytes.
using 1290 buffers containing 10.07 megabytes of memory
Firmware revision: 7.3-1
PALcode: UNIX version 1.92-74
AlphaServer DS20
pci1 (primary bus:1) at nexus
tu0: DECchip 21143: Revision: 3.0
tu0: auto negotiation capable device
tu0 at pci1 slot 7
tu0: DEC TULIP (10/100) Ethernet Interface, hardware address:
08-00-03-36-19-00
tu0: auto negotiation on: will advertise 100BaseTX (UTP) port: full duplex
pci0 (primary bus:0) at nexus
isa0 at pci0
ace0 at isa0
isp0 at pci0 slot 6
isp0: QLOGIC ISP1040B/V2
isp0: Firmware revision 5.57 (loaded by console)
scsi0 at isp0 slot 0 rad 0
isp1 at pci0 slot 106
isp1: QLOGIC ISP1040B/V2
isp1: Firmware revision 5.57 (loaded by console)
scsi1 at isp1 slot 0 rad 0
ata0 at pci0 slot 15
ata0: ACER M1543C
scsi2 at ata0 slot 0 rad 0
scsi3 at ata0 slot 1 rad 0
Created FRU table binary error log packet
kernel console: ace0
NetRAIN configured.
Random number generator configured.


WARNING: preposterous time in file system

WARNING: preposterous time in TOY clock

Setting system time to January 1 1996 -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!!

vm_swap_init: warning UNSPECIFIED swap device not found
vm_swap_init: swap is re-set to lazy (over commitment) mode

INIT: SINGLE-USER MODE


Initializing system for Tru64 UNIX installation. Please wait...

[etcetera]
Steven Schweda
2018-03-07 22:00:00 UTC
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Post by Wilm Boerhout
[...]
Initializing system for Tru64 UNIX installation. Please wait...
So, Tru64 installation, not "DECnet for Tru64".

I have a 2007 Tru64 CD kit (seven discs, including two
volumes of "Associated Products"), and I see no sign of
DECnet anywhere.
Post by Wilm Boerhout
[...] hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso [...]
The "Operating System Volume 1" disc in that kit is
labeled "V5.1Br2650_O1". The (mislabeled) "V5.1B-3"/"Version
5.1B-4" disc ("T64V51BB27AS0006") has the "-4" patch kit.
"tuklu_san
2018-03-08 04:00:07 UTC
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Post by Steven Schweda
"sizer -v" might tell you more than "uname -a".
sizer -v reports:
Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650); Sun Mar 4 01:01:31 UTC 2018

Also here is a dump of boot messages.

block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block
reading 19 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0
bootstrap code read in
base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 2600
initializing HWRPB at 2000
initializing page table at 1e4000
initializing machine state
setting affinity to the primary CPU
jumping to bootstrap code

UNIX boot - Wednesday October 16, 2002

Loading vmunix ...
Loading at 0xfffffc0000230000

Sizes:
text = 6426624
data = 1168784
bss = 1842096
Starting at 0xfffffc0000242c10

Loading vmunix symbol table ... [1589672 bytes]
No B-cache detected
Alpha boot: available memory from 0x1060000 to 0x7ffe000
Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650); Sun Mar 4 01:01:31 UTC 2018
physical memory = 128.00 megabytes.
available memory = 111.61 megabytes.
using 441 buffers containing 3.44 megabytes of memory
Firmware revision: 7.0
PALcode: UNIX version 1.46
AlphaServer 400 4/166
DECchip 21071
82378IB (SIO) PCI/ISA Bridge
pci0 (primary bus:0) at nexus
Loading SIOP: script 800000, reg 82000800, data 4106e000
scsi0 at psiop0 slot 0 rad 0
isa0 at pci0
gpc0 at isa0
gpc1 not probed
ace0 at isa0
ace1 at isa0
lp0 at isa0
tu0: DECchip 21143: Revision: 4.1
tu0: auto negotiation capable device
tu0 at pci0 slot 12
tu0: DEC TULIP (10/100) Ethernet Interface, hardware address:
90-4C-E5-37-E8-B2
tu0: auto negotiation off: selecting 10BaseT (UTP) port: half duplex
tu1: DECchip 21143: Revision: 4.1
tu1: auto negotiation capable device
tu1: ethernet address checksum error
- Failed to configure device in PCI bus 0, slot 13 with driver tu
kernel console: ace0
dli: configured
NetRAIN configured.
Random number generator configured.
ATM Subsystem configured with 1 restart threads
ATMUNI: configured
ATMSIG: 3.x (module=uni3x) configured
ILMI: 3.x (module=ilmi) configured
ATM IP: configured
ATM LANE: configured.
ATM IFMP: configured
vm_swap_init: swap is set to eager allocation mode
Checking device naming:
Passed.
Checking local filesystems
Mounting / (root)
user_cfg_pt: reconfigured
root_mounted_rw: reconfigured
user_cfg_pt: reconfigured
root_mounted_rw: reconfigured
user_cfg_pt: reconfigured
dsfmgr: NOTE: updating kernel basenames for system at /
scp kevm tty00 tty01 lp0 random urandom dmapi dsk0 dsk1 cdrom0
cdrom1 cdrom2 cdrom3 cdrom4
Mounting local filesystems
exec: /sbin/mount_advfs -F 0x14000 root_domain#root /
root_domain#root on / type advfs (rw)
/proc on /proc type procfs (rw)
exec: /sbin/mount_advfs -F 0x4000 usr_domain#usr /usr
usr_domain#usr on /usr type advfs (rw)
exec: /sbin/mount_advfs -F 0x4000 usr_domain#var /var
usr_domain#var on /var type advfs (rw)
Mar 8 03:47:32 esmd: Essential Services Monitor daemon started
Subsystem hwautoconfig was successfully configured.
datalink: links=128, macs=6
Subsystem dlpi was successfully configured.
Mar 8 03:47:36 update: started

Checking for Installation Tasks...

Executing Installation Tasks...
The system is coming up. Please wait...
Checking for crash dumps
Initializing paging space
Mounting Memory filesystems
evmstart: Daemon started
Mar 8 03:48:27 esmd: Started monitoring the EVM daemon
security configuration set to default (BASE).
Using an array as a reference is deprecated at /usr/sbin/siacfg line 979.
File /etc/sia/matrix.conf updated successfully.
Successful SIA initialization

/usr/sbin/autopush: Can't push requested modules on STREAM for entry 36
/usr/sbin/autopush: Device (6,-1) already configured
Streams autopushes configured
Initializing random number driver
Configuring network
hostname: tru64.sanyalnet.lan
Loading LMF licenses
Multiple Licenses could not be combined for OSF-USR DEC
System error logger started
Binary error logger started
add net default: gateway 10.100.0.1
Setting kernel timezone variable
Setting the current time and date with ntpdate
Thu Mar 8 03:49:53 UTC 2018
Ntpdate succeeded.
ONC portmap service started
NFS IO service started
Mounting NFS filesystems
Preserving editor files
Clearing temporary files
Unlocking ptys
Secure Shell daemon (sshd2) started.
SMTP Mail Service started.
Network Time Service started
Environmental Monitoring Subsystem Configured.
Using snmp service entry port 161.
Extensible SNMP master agent started
Base O/S subagent started
Server System subagent started
Server Management subagent started
CIM SNMP subagent started
Performance Management subagent started
Web Based Management Agent started
ConfigReport Management Module started
Sysman Management Module started
Threshold Management Subagent started
Intelligent Drive Array Subagent started
The SNMP trap to Event Manager interface is disabled.
GS Platform View and Discovery V1.3 for Insight Manager is only
supported on Alpha GS series platforms.
AdvFS daemon (advfsd) started.
Internet services provided.
Cron service started
HTTP daemon started on port 80
SuperLAT. Copyright 1994 Meridian Technology Corp. All rights reserved.
LAT started.
Start: Datalink service controller_01 tu0
Microsoft Datalink Driver : Starting dllink ...
Datalink driver attached to tu0 at PPA1
dllink: done - Adapter set
Start: NetBEUI controller_01 tu0
netbeui_configure(CFG_OP_CONFIGURE)
netbeui version information:
Advanced Server V5.1B-2 for UNIX
Built on Sun Jun 13 20:20:22 EDT 2004
Build BL3 (Rev 350) based on 2.1174
Build flags: -DDEC_CLUSTER -g3 -O3
NetBEUI init: sessions=256, links=128, names=128
The following STREAMS devices were created:
Name Major Minor
---- ----- -----
/dev/streams/netbeui 32 68
/dev/streams/netbeuid 32 69
/dev/streams/nbeadmin 32 70
Microsoft NetBEUI Driver : Starting nbelink ... done
Start: TCP/IP NetBIOS controller_01 tu0
Starting the TCP/IP NetBIOS service...
knbtcp: configured
knbadm: configured
knbtcpd: configured
knbtcp version information:
Advanced Server V5.1B-2 for UNIX
Built on Sun Jun 13 20:20:22 EDT 2004
Build BL3 (Rev 350) based on 2.1174
Build flags: -DDEC_CLUSTER -g3 -O3
knbinit:
knbinit: sessions=256, names=128
knb name cache (192 entries) enabled
The following STREAMS devices were created:
Name Major Minor
---- ----- -----
/dev/streams/knbtcp 32 71
/dev/streams/knbadm 32 72
/dev/streams/knbtcpd 32 73
TCP/IP NetBIOS: Starting knblink ...
controller(s) configured as 'tu0'
kernel dynamic cache will be enabled
lmhosts file use enabled
DNS support is enabled
The following 1 DNS subdomains have been specified:
sanyalnet.lan
NBNS server use *not* enabled
Successfully configured with controller(s) 'tu0'
TCP/IP NetBIOS name resolver started, pid=968
TCP/IP NetBIOS service started
Printer service started
The system is ready.



Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650) (tru64.sanyalnet.lan) console

login: root
Password:
Last login: Tue Mar 6 00:02:20 UTC 2018 on console
Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650); Sun Mar 4 01:01:31 UTC 2018

The installation software has successfully installed your system.

There are logfiles that contain a record of your installation. These are:

/var/adm/smlogs/install.cdf - configuration description file
/var/adm/smlogs/install.log - general log file
/var/adm/smlogs/install.FS.log - file system creation logs
/var/adm/smlogs/setld.log - log for the setld(8) utility
/var/adm/smlogs/fverify.log - verification log file


# sizer -v
Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650); Sun Mar 4 01:01:31 UTC 2018
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Hans Vlems
2018-03-08 19:23:48 UTC
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DECnet in this kit is phase V only IIRC.
Hans
"tuklu_san
2018-03-09 21:26:41 UTC
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Hi Hans,
Post by Hans Vlems
DECnet in this kit is phase V only IIRC.
"This kit" ... where?
Hans Vlems
2018-03-10 17:55:14 UTC
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Apologies, my response is based on the assumption that you’d found the kit.
I’ll have a look because DECnet phase V is installed on at least three Tru64 systems at home.
"tuklu_san
2018-03-14 00:47:35 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
Apologies, my response is based on the assumption that you’d found the kit.
I’ll have a look because DECnet phase V is installed on at least three Tru64 systems at home.
Thanks Hans. Looking forward to what you find. I will also send you a email.

Best,
Supratim
"tuklu_san
2018-03-14 00:47:57 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
Apologies, my response is based on the assumption that you’d found the kit.
I’ll have a look because DECnet phase V is installed on at least three Tru64 systems at home.
Thanks Hans. Looking forward to what you find. I will also send you a email.

Best,
Supratim
"tuklu_san
2018-03-14 19:14:21 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
Apologies, my response is based on the assumption that you’d found the kit.
I’ll have a look because DECnet phase V is installed on at least three
Tru64 systems at home.
Looking around the big-G search engine, it appears DECnet for Tru64 is
in a kit named dna500 on Tru64 software products library (SPL). The last
release of the SPL seems to be in 2012. I do not have the SPL :(
Hans Vlems
2018-03-14 19:32:12 UTC
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No result yet. Computer room #3 was transformed into a junk yard :(
That is now corrected. Next step is to get mains power and ethernet wired. Once that is done the search fora DNAnnn kit can start.
My apologies for the delay, the systems in that room haven’t seen much use over the past 2 years.
Have patience!
Hans
Steven Schweda
2018-03-14 20:10:18 UTC
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[...] Once that is done the search fora DNAnnn kit can start.
Is there a source for the PAK, too?
Hans Vlems
2018-03-14 20:53:26 UTC
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I had some time so wired the AlphaServer 800 and it booted the first time. This machine hadn’t run for 30 months and was built in 1998 (IIRC).
So far so good. But (you saw that coming, right) though the kit is installed it was no longer present on the hard disk.
So I loaded a cd and learned that the RRD46 is acting up. Could be dust could be broken. Time to go to sleep. .
Hans
Hans Vlems
2018-03-14 20:58:32 UTC
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The PAK. Yes, that may be an issue. I got it with the system. There is no hobbyist license kit available for Tru64 (any more).
I forgot about it because with VMS there is no concern.
Perhaps a gentle soul keeps an unused stock in a drawer?
Steven Schweda
2018-03-15 00:35:55 UTC
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[...] There is no hobbyist license kit available for Tru64
(any more). [...]
The PAKs which were included with Non-Commercial Tru64
UNIX were OSF-BASE, OSF-USR, OSF-SVR, and OSF-DEV. I gather
that DECNET-OSI-END and/or DECNET-OSI-EXT were the Tru64
DECnet Product Names. So far as I know, I've never seen the
kit or a PAK for it. The kit could be in a Tru64 Software
Library, but I never got one of those

http://h30266.www3.hpe.com/masterindex/installation_guide/installation_guide_0049eb0c.txt
Hans Vlems
2018-03-15 14:18:46 UTC
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I own a Tru64 software kit, an original one. Got it with the machine along with the PAKs.
Sharing the software kit might raise an eyebrow but is not illegal AFAIK. “Sharing” a PAK is frowned upon to put it mildly.
I tried to load a VMS PAK on a Tru64 system. The PAK loaded and that’s it: the product names are different between both operating systems. The PAK loads but serves no purpose. Bit like the T-shirt PAK that circulated on c.o.v. a long time ago. Come to think of it, how was that PAK ever created?
Hans
"tuklu_san
2018-03-15 16:25:35 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
I own a Tru64 software kit, an original one. Got it with the machine along with the PAKs.
Sharing the software kit might raise an eyebrow but is not illegal AFAIK. “Sharing” a PAK is frowned upon to put it mildly.
I tried to load a VMS PAK on a Tru64 system. The PAK loaded and that’s it: the product names are different between both operating systems. The PAK loads but serves no purpose. Bit like the T-shirt PAK that circulated on c.o.v. a long time ago. Come to think of it, how was that PAK ever created?
Hans
Big G search threw up a wordpress blog by "astr0baby". It has an
interesting pointer.
Wilm Boerhout
2018-03-15 18:25:48 UTC
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Post by "tuklu_san
Post by Hans Vlems
I own a Tru64 software kit, an original one. Got it with the machine along with the PAKs.
Sharing the software kit might raise an eyebrow but is not illegal
AFAIK. “Sharing” a PAK is frowned upon to put it mildly.
I tried to load a VMS PAK on a Tru64 system. The PAK loaded and that’s
it: the product names are different between both operating systems.
The PAK loads but serves no purpose. Bit like the T-shirt PAK that
circulated on c.o.v. a long time ago. Come to think of it, how was
that PAK ever created?
Hans
Big G search threw up a wordpress blog by "astr0baby". It has an
interesting pointer.
It does indeed. But following the instructions, the download link
appears to lead to a dead end street.

/Wilm
Hans Vlems
2018-03-15 19:37:02 UTC
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What pointer?

I checked the tru64 5.1A kit and did not find the DNA500 kit.
Now it really gets complicated :)
"tuklu_san
2018-03-15 21:11:29 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
What pointer?
I checked the tru64 5.1A kit and did not find the DNA500 kit.
Now it really gets complicated :)
Yup, dereferencing pointers is always risky. That is why you are our (at
least mine) only hope to save the universe by finding DNA500.

:)
Kerry Main
2018-03-17 11:32:22 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
<"supratim sanyal via Info-vax
Sent: March 15, 2018 5:11 PM
Cc: tuklu_san <"supratim sanyal
Subject: Re: [Info-vax] In Search of: Pathworks 5 for OS/2 and DECnet
for
Tru64
Post by Hans Vlems
What pointer?
I checked the tru64 5.1A kit and did not find the DNA500 kit.
Now it really gets complicated :)
Yup, dereferencing pointers is always risky. That is why you are our (at
least mine) only hope to save the universe by finding DNA500.
:)
Not sure if these links link have already been shared, but just in case
the DECnet kit is included in one of these master kits-

<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/51b>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/50>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/digital-unix/32b>

<https://winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems> - see OS/2 section as
well.

Interesting site ..


Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
Hans Vlems
2018-03-18 15:41:17 UTC
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Post by Kerry Main
-----Original Message-----
<"supratim sanyal via Info-vax
Sent: March 15, 2018 5:11 PM
Cc: tuklu_san <"supratim sanyal
Subject: Re: [Info-vax] In Search of: Pathworks 5 for OS/2 and DECnet
for
Tru64
Post by Hans Vlems
What pointer?
I checked the tru64 5.1A kit and did not find the DNA500 kit.
Now it really gets complicated :)
Yup, dereferencing pointers is always risky. That is why you are our
(at
least mine) only hope to save the universe by finding DNA500.
:)
Not sure if these links link have already been shared, but just in case
the DECnet kit is included in one of these master kits-
<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/51b>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/50>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/digital-unix/32b>
<https://winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems> - see OS/2 section as
well.
Interesting site ..
Regards,
Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
I found the DNA kit, it was on the second disk of the Tru64 software product library set of January 2000. Pretty old but I'm sure that not much has happened to it ever since.

ImgBurn was able to create an image file of the disk.

The OP is invited to send me an email on jhlmvlems at gmail with the usual tld.
We can figure out how to transer the image.

Hans
"tuklu_san
2018-03-22 21:50:48 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
Post by Kerry Main
-----Original Message-----
<"supratim sanyal via Info-vax
Sent: March 15, 2018 5:11 PM
Cc: tuklu_san <"supratim sanyal
Subject: Re: [Info-vax] In Search of: Pathworks 5 for OS/2 and DECnet
for
Tru64
Post by Hans Vlems
What pointer?
I checked the tru64 5.1A kit and did not find the DNA500 kit.
Now it really gets complicated:)
Yup, dereferencing pointers is always risky. That is why you are our
(at
least mine) only hope to save the universe by finding DNA500.
:)
Not sure if these links link have already been shared, but just in case
the DECnet kit is included in one of these master kits-
<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/51b>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/tru64/50>
<https://winworldpc.com/product/digital-unix/32b>
<https://winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems> - see OS/2 section as
well.
Interesting site ..
Regards,
Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
I found the DNA kit, it was on the second disk of the Tru64 software product library set of January 2000. Pretty old but I'm sure that not much has happened to it ever since.
ImgBurn was able to create an image file of the disk.
The OP is invited to send me an email on jhlmvlems at gmail with the usual tld.
We can figure out how to transer the image.
Hans
👍
Henry Crun
2018-03-16 04:55:09 UTC
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Post by Hans Vlems
I own a Tru64 software kit, an original one. Got it with the machine along with the PAKs.
Sharing the software kit might raise an eyebrow but is not illegal AFAIK. “Sharing” a PAK is frowned upon to put it
mildly.
I tried to load a VMS PAK on a Tru64 system. The PAK loaded and that’s it: the product names are different between
both operating systems. The PAK loads but serves no purpose. Bit like the T-shirt PAK that circulated on c.o.v. a long
time ago. Come to think of it, how was that PAK ever created?
Hans
Big G search threw up a wordpress blog by "astr0baby". It has an interesting pointer.
Have you tried the pointer via the Wayback Machine?
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"tuklu_san
2018-03-08 03:41:14 UTC
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Post by Wilm Boerhout
I do have a hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso, used a few times to install.
Size is ~675MB, contact me to arrange a transfer
/Wilm
Thanks Wilm; emailed you - would be great if the ISO has the DECnet kit
on it.
"tuklu_san
2018-03-08 03:41:48 UTC
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Post by Wilm Boerhout
I do have a hpTru64_V51B-1r2650_O1.iso, used a few times to install.
Size is ~675MB, contact me to arrange a transfer
/Wilm
Thanks Wilm; emailed you - would be great if the ISO has the DECnet kit
on it.
Hans Vlems
2018-03-22 10:50:22 UTC
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Supratim
I’ve found the DNA500 kit. Perhaps Hecnet is a way to transfer the (zipped) cd image?
"tuklu_san
2018-03-22 21:52:16 UTC
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Post by "tuklu_san
Supratim
I’ve found the DNA500 kit. Perhaps Hecnet is a way to transfer the (zipped) cd image?
emailed you with gratitude.

👍
"tuklu_san
2018-03-26 12:35:42 UTC
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Post by "tuklu_san
Supratim
I’ve found the DNA500 kit. Perhaps Hecnet is a way to transfer the (zipped) cd image?
Solved! DECnet is up and running on Tru64 5.0 using dna500/kit. TRU64
(1.573) is on HECnet.

Thanks a ton.

Supratim Sanyal
QCOCAL::SANYAL
Chris Berry
2021-03-06 08:16:57 UTC
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Post by "tuklu_san
Post by "tuklu_san
Supratim
I’ve found the DNA500 kit. Perhaps Hecnet is a way to transfer the (zipped) cd image?
Solved! DECnet is up and running on Tru64 5.0 using dna500/kit. TRU64
(1.573) is on HECnet.
Thanks a ton.
Supratim Sanyal
QCOCAL::SANYAL
Apologies - again - for resurrecting an ancient thread :-)

I am also on the quest for the DECnet kit for Tru64 V5.1

The operating system & associated products CDs are around, as is the SPL including DECnet for Tru64 V4.0

So - as it was located back in 2018 I wondered if anyone has it online somewhere that I just haven't found!
Thanks
Chris
John H. Reinhardt
2021-03-06 16:15:27 UTC
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Post by Chris Berry
Post by "tuklu_san
Post by "tuklu_san
Supratim
I’ve found the DNA500 kit. Perhaps Hecnet is a way to transfer the (zipped) cd image?
Solved! DECnet is up and running on Tru64 5.0 using dna500/kit. TRU64
(1.573) is on HECnet.
Thanks a ton.
Supratim Sanyal
QCOCAL::SANYAL
Apologies - again - for resurrecting an ancient thread :-)
I am also on the quest for the DECnet kit for Tru64 V5.1
The operating system & associated products CDs are around, as is the SPL including DECnet for Tru64 V4.0
So - as it was located back in 2018 I wondered if anyone has it online somewhere that I just haven't found!
Thanks
Chris
Hopefully Supratim has it as, unfortunately, Hans is no longer with us. :-(
--
John H. Reinhardt
Supratim Sanyal
2021-05-12 18:34:44 UTC
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//
Post by John H. Reinhardt
Post by Chris Berry
So - as it was located back in 2018 I wondered if anyone has it online
somewhere that I just haven't found!
Thanks
Chris
Hopefully Supratim has it as, unfortunately, Hans is no longer with us. :-(
It *might* be floating around in Gopherspace at sanyal dot duckdns dot org
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