Discussion:
{UPDATE} Notepad++ v5.4.4
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Yrrah
2009-07-05 21:31:01 UTC
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"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
Download:
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
Direct download:
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zip
or
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.Installer.exe

"Notepad++ v5.4.4 fixed bugs (from v5.4.3):
1. Upgrade Scintilla from 1.77 to 1.78.
2. Fix XML syntax highlighting bug while presence of the tag
"<script/>".
3. Fix Find in files/Find in all open files bug in non western
languages.
4. Fix the find in files crash issue if find what field contains 0x0A
or 0xD.
5. Fix Window7 SetWindowsHookEx() failed issue for the dockable
windows.
6. Fix no tool bar bug under w2k.
7. Fix Incremental search bug while clicking on text zone after some
searches.
8. Make NpWiki++ link available as on line help.
9. Add lines count on status bar.
10. Fix "In selection" bug in Find Replace features.
11. Fix the clickable link issue for some links (add '~' in RegExp).
12 Fix the bug that Notepad++ does not show on while it is minimized
and its file is modified from outside."

An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.

Yrrah
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Bear Bottoms
2009-07-05 21:42:52 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zi
p or
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.Instal
ler.exe
1. Upgrade Scintilla from 1.77 to 1.78.
2. Fix XML syntax highlighting bug while presence of the tag
"<script/>".
3. Fix Find in files/Find in all open files bug in non western
languages.
4. Fix the find in files crash issue if find what field contains 0x0A
or 0xD.
5. Fix Window7 SetWindowsHookEx() failed issue for the dockable
windows.
6. Fix no tool bar bug under w2k.
7. Fix Incremental search bug while clicking on text zone after some
searches.
8. Make NpWiki++ link available as on line help.
9. Add lines count on status bar.
10. Fix "In selection" bug in Find Replace features.
11. Fix the clickable link issue for some links (add '~' in RegExp).
12 Fix the bug that Notepad++ does not show on while it is minimized
and its file is modified from outside."
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
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Iapetus
2009-07-05 21:42:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zi
p or
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.Instal
ler.exe
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Speak for yourself.
Bear Bottoms
2009-07-05 22:15:51 UTC
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Post by Iapetus
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-
plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zi
Post by Iapetus
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
p or
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-
plus/npp.5.4.4.Instal
Post by Iapetus
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
ler.exe
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Speak for yourself.
LOL...talk about over the head.....whoosh--------
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
2009-07-05 23:05:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.

I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...

And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.

BeAr
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Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 00:22:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts and
snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double standard.

A major update post is fine, but to be in a freeware newsgroup and see
generally the only contributions from him to be updates and snide
comments is rather a sad drab scenario to represent what is supposed to
be a group to discuss, explore and find the best freeware. We know
Notepad++ is one of the greats.

I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one. Most
programs have the option to notify of updates and that one elects not to
use it, is their own choice. I could however accept such posts, but
coupled with such nasty representation from him is a bit much. This group
suffers from a lack of effort.
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
F. Reeware
2009-07-06 00:49:53 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts and
snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double standard.
Shut up, Mr Bottoms. Or shall we discuss your far too many
contributions? Most of them are not even about freeware but bear
witness to your belligerence, paranoia and delusions.
Post by Bear Bottoms
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Mr Bottoms, I dread to think what a person with your mental condition
is particularly fond of.

Dr. F. Reeware,
Professor of Freeware Science
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
2009-07-05 23:56:59 UTC
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F. Reeware THE TROLL wrote:-
Post by F. Reeware
Post by Bear Bottoms
Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts and
snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double standard.
Shut up, Mr Bottoms. Or shall we discuss your far too many
contributions? Most of them are not even about freeware but bear
witness to your belligerence, paranoia and delusions.
Post by Bear Bottoms
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Mr Bottoms, I dread to think what a person with your mental condition
is particularly fond of.
Dr. F. Reeware,
Professor of Bullshit and Other Science
STFU TROLL
Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 01:25:31 UTC
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Post by F. Reeware
Post by Bear Bottoms
Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts
and snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double
standard.
Shut up, Mr Bottoms. Or shall we discuss your far too many
contributions? Most of them are not even about freeware but bear
witness to your belligerence, paranoia and delusions.
You do mean the PWH cult. Don't be afraid, I wasn't.
Post by F. Reeware
Post by Bear Bottoms
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Mr Bottoms, I dread to think what a person with your mental condition
is particularly fond of.
Snide comments from Dr. Snide which are significant with misdirection.
You are a child among men.
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
»Q«
2009-07-06 00:58:14 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
Could be worse -- sometimes he calls a perfectly good app "malware" for
the sake of extending his war against a.c.f.
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
A major update post is fine, but to be in a freeware newsgroup and
see generally the only contributions from him to be updates
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want to
see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts from
him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 01:29:30 UTC
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Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want to
see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts from
him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification coupled with an equal number
of snide downright nasty comments to other posters trying to contribute
makes him your hero. Who lays in bed with who!
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
»Q«
2009-07-06 03:27:57 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want
to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts
from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]

Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?

You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
Ron
2009-07-06 04:42:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want
to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts
from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago argued
for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses to rail
against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a problem that
logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the dying of his
personal light; you contribute far more to the group with your knowledge
and information.

Ron
Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 10:27:07 UTC
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Post by Ron
Post by »Q«
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want
to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts
from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? FF is adware
through it's uncontrolled extensions. Beware of them.
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
hummingbird
2009-07-06 11:31:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
»Q«'s server:

website reference here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php

direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso

I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.

I wonder if he'll do that?

A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
David W
2009-07-06 15:26:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
Post by Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
I wonder if he'll do that?
Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.

A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.

*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
upmteen programs.

The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
Boyz.

Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
handed over to the respected LEAs.
Post by hummingbird
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
led to it are in full and plain sight.

It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
Post by hummingbird
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-06 16:53:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Post by Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
______________________________________________________
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
I wonder if he'll do that?
Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.
A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.
*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
upmteen programs.
I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
PL CD but where the program licence says:

"for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
a written permission from [company name]"
Post by David W
The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
Boyz.
...the heavies ;-)
Post by David W
Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
handed over to the respected LEAs.
PING! that'll be $25 please. ho ho.
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
led to it are in full and plain sight.
Their's is game of bluff methinks...killfile it and it'll go away.
Post by David W
It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
Post by hummingbird
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
Paradoxically, some PWH folks are not slow to jump down the throat
of anyone who occasionally offers a download of an old freeware
program which was available free but now costs $10 to become a
member of the site before downloading.
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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
David W
2009-07-06 17:17:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Post by Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
______________________________________________________
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
I wonder if he'll do that?
Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.
A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.
*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
upmteen programs.
I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
"for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
a written permission from [company name]"
I saw "Q"s response to you including the fact that vince will not allow
the release of all of the "approvals" for distribution from the 2008
list. Well, this is 2009 fellas and you will need to update that list,
if it even exists, that vince won't show us or, I assume, anyone else.

Gosh, isn't that genuine, you would think they would publish their
rights to distribute with glee, right there on the website for all to
see.

But that ain't happening either. So onward we march............
Post by hummingbird
Post by David W
The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
Boyz.
...the heavies ;-)
Post by David W
Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
handed over to the respected LEAs.
PING! that'll be $25 please. ho ho.
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
led to it are in full and plain sight.
Their's is game of bluff methinks...killfile it and it'll go away.
Post by David W
It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
Post by hummingbird
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
Paradoxically, some PWH folks are not slow to jump down the throat
of anyone who occasionally offers a download of an old freeware
program which was available free but now costs $10 to become a
member of the site before downloading.
Or has gone payware but the freeware version has been archived.

Duh. You think the authors will be OK with that, each and everyone of
them?
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-06 19:32:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Post by Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
your knowledge and information.
Ron
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
______________________________________________________
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
I wonder if he'll do that?
Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.
A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.
*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
upmteen programs.
I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
"for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
a written permission from [company name]"
I saw "Q"s response to you including the fact that vince will not allow
the release of all of the "approvals" for distribution from the 2008
list. Well, this is 2009 fellas and you will need to update that list,
if it even exists, that vince won't show us or, I assume, anyone else.
I don't see it has anything to do with whoever Vince is.
My post to »Q« was clear: the two PL CDs are available for primary
download from his server, so he is responsible for ensuring that
he doesn't act unlawfully. Introducing Vince is a diversion.
Post by David W
Gosh, isn't that genuine, you would think they would publish their
rights to distribute with glee, right there on the website for all to
see.
They should do because according to them, Pricelessware belongs to
ACF. Therefore ACF people must have a right to ensure that what
goes on is not unlawful.
Post by David W
But that ain't happening either. So onward we march............
Post by hummingbird
Post by David W
The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
Boyz.
...the heavies ;-)
Post by David W
Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
handed over to the respected LEAs.
PING! that'll be $25 please. ho ho.
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
led to it are in full and plain sight.
Their's is game of bluff methinks...killfile it and it'll go away.
Post by David W
It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
Post by hummingbird
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
Paradoxically, some PWH folks are not slow to jump down the throat
of anyone who occasionally offers a download of an old freeware
program which was available free but now costs $10 to become a
member of the site before downloading.
Or has gone payware but the freeware version has been archived.
It's still freeware but has a slightly modified licence and access
to download it now requires (IIRC) a $10 membership to access the
download area. Context Edit is the program. I have a copy of the
old original version.
Post by David W
Duh. You think the authors will be OK with that, each and everyone of
them?
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B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
2009-07-06 19:11:07 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
"for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
a written permission from [company name]"
If I'm not mistaken, that will be XXCopy. Kan Yabumoto always gave
*explicit* permission for Pricelessware CD's. (Else, XXCopy would
/not/ have been included on the CD's. - The license checking has
been strict from the beginning.)

Here's an excerpt from Kan's mail to vince for the PL2008 CD:

| "As to the written permission for OKing the CD production with a
| copy of XXCOPY in it, yes, we would like to grant a permission
| for the Pricelessware CD. Please let this Email to be our
| official written permission for the inclusion of XXCOPY freeware
| by people who are associated with the alt.comp.freeware group.
| Kan Yabumoto"

http://groups.google.de/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/f9c95ce9499361f0

Btw., Kan was an occasional contributor to acf and (AFAICT) a strong
supporter of the Pricelessware concept. I miss his input on the usage
of XXCopy, as well as other technical matters...

;-------------------

And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?! Without being the slightest bit funny, those
posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
crime-infested side roads. A place to stay away from, if keeping
alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...

Every time, when I hear the song "Lasse Redn" from the German punk
and rock band Die Ärzte these days, I'm strongly reminded of acf.



But wading through the flood of <censored> day after day, makes it
sometimes very difficult to just think: "Lasse redn"... :-(

BeAr
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hummingbird
2009-07-06 22:40:42 UTC
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Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?!
What are they BeAr?
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Without being the slightest bit funny, those
posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
crime-infested side roads.
I have to tell you that it might be true BeAr.....
IMO the Pricelessware project may have started out with altruistic
intentions, but was hijacked by a bunch of zealots, some of whom
saw $$$ in it, and have fought tooth and nail to dominate ACF
for fear of losing their golden egg. That is where we are today.

I'm afraid the evidence is compelling.

That's what these debates are about. No good brushing it under
the carpet, because innocent people do not wish to be associated
with unlawful activity. It is for the Pricelessware people to act
transparently at all times. That is NOT happening. As usual, only
bluster and diversions are forthcoming from the usual suspects.
Others try to divert attention by laughing it off.

Anybody aiding and abetting unlawful activity is also guilty.
Ignorance of the law is no defence.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
A place to stay away from, if keeping
alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
If you are not involved in unlawful activity it might be a good
idea until the whole matter is sorted out.

There are two major issues:

- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required. It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Every time, when I hear the song "Lasse Redn" from the German punk
and rock band Die Ärzte these days, I'm strongly reminded of acf.
http://youtu.be/dRPhV_VDzvI
But wading through the flood of <censored> day after day, makes it
sometimes very difficult to just think: "Lasse redn"... :-(
One solution is NOT to make PL ISOs available for download at all.
The website already contains all the links necessary for d/l any
program from an authorised site together with its licence.
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»Q«
2009-07-06 23:36:19 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required.
AFAIK, PWH didn't have anything to do with it; a.c.f posters got
permissions over the years.
Post by hummingbird
It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.

If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
David W
2009-07-07 00:49:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you.
Not at all, we intend to do all that we need.

Thanks for the offer though, "Q".
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hummingbird
2009-07-07 15:06:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required.
AFAIK, PWH didn't have anything to do with it; a.c.f posters got
permissions over the years.
My previous comments were addressed to BeAr, however...
these are perfectly legitimate issues for me to be raising.

You say: "AFAIK".

I find it amazing that YOU are hosting the primary download of
two PL2008 ISOs containing scores of programs and yet you claim to
be unable to provide any evidence that permission has been granted
by the program authors, where necessary, to do so.

That is quite astonishing. Right?

Not only does that leave YOU open to legal risk for indulging in
unlawful activity, but also anybody who gets involved in the PL
selection/voting process, and those who innocently d/l the ISOs,
burn them and give them away. Let alone anybody who sells them,
who may or may not post regularly to this newsgroup. Right?

This is not a game, »Q«.
Can you not see the scale of legal risk here?
Can you not see the potential unwilling involvement of innocent
people in unlawful activity, dumped upon them by the PWH
'inner circle' due to its ineptness or worse, unlawful behaviour?

Am I surprised that Craig, Ron May, Bugher, REM and other members
of the PWH high command have remained silent during these debates?
Not one jot. They've all run for the trees and left it to you.
Does that make you the patsy? lol.

In case you've forgotten, here are the download links on YOUR
server for the two PL2008 ISOs:
_____________________________________________________
direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________

Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
(eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?

You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
distribution. Right? Why not?

Do you know how many downloads are by people who intend to burn
and sell the CDs? You will recall many months back that a poster
on ACF made it very clear that he sells Pricelessware CDs. Right?

Pricelessware needs a lawyer! He will explain exactly what actions
are required by you to keep yourself within the law. You will find
it is what I have been telling you. Trust me.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
Good try at diversion and obfuscation, »Q«, but it won't help.
I am not involved in this potential unlawful activity, and these
exchanges are evidence of that. I'm just trying to ensure that I
am not being unknowingly drawn into it by association with PWH
people who choose to ignore the law.

If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?

The permissions will have been issued in private e-mails or on
paper. Right? Newsgroup posts by Vince or some other person going
back N years (and buried google) claiming that "permission was
received" or whatever are not adequate to provide the confirmation
that the actual permissions exist, eg: the poster may have been
mistaken or confused, may have lied for expediency or may even
be involved in a $racket. Right?

You can see that. Right?

The only thing which provides that confirmation are copies of
the actual permissions themselves. Right?

Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?

As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
"covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?

Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?

I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?

Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
implicated. Right?

otoh...
If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?

A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?

The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
make them available for download on your server. Right?

Here's your download links again:
_____________________________________________________
direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.

What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.

But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...

My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?


-HTH-
David W
2009-07-07 15:55:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required.
AFAIK, PWH didn't have anything to do with it; a.c.f posters got
permissions over the years.
My previous comments were addressed to BeAr, however...
these are perfectly legitimate issues for me to be raising.
You say: "AFAIK".
I find it amazing that YOU are hosting the primary download of
two PL2008 ISOs containing scores of programs and yet you claim to
be unable to provide any evidence that permission has been granted
by the program authors, where necessary, to do so.
That is quite astonishing. Right?
Not only does that leave YOU open to legal risk for indulging in
unlawful activity, but also anybody who gets involved in the PL
selection/voting process, and those who innocently d/l the ISOs,
burn them and give them away. Let alone anybody who sells them,
who may or may not post regularly to this newsgroup. Right?
This is a very useful effort, Hum, expect you will get the usual
messenger assassination combined with disinformation and diversion as
your answers.

Intelligent people, people without ulterior motives, would have
thoroughly investigated these issues ages ago. But as I have often said
and as is being proven out in spades before us, PWH and Pricelessware
cretins are dull tacks in old, used tack drawer.
Post by hummingbird
This is not a game, »Q«.
Can you not see the scale of legal risk here?
Can you not see the potential unwilling involvement of innocent
people in unlawful activity, dumped upon them by the PWH
'inner circle' due to its ineptness or worse, unlawful behaviour?
I doubt he or any of the others care. Lemming sacrifices are necessary.
Post by hummingbird
Am I surprised that Craig, Ron May, Bugher, REM and other members
of the PWH high command have remained silent during these debates?
Not one jot. They've all run for the trees and left it to you.
Does that make you the patsy? lol.
You can bet there is a scurry of off ACF activity abot on ACF business
as the Pricelessware criminals plot and plan their every moves.
Post by hummingbird
In case you've forgotten, here are the download links on YOUR
_____________________________________________________
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
(eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?
You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
distribution. Right? Why not?
Marketing. Post download solicitations "How to make money with freeware"
- support for $$$, who knows better the freeware than the Pricelessware
criminals? Right here on ACF they have known and unknown lemming testers
at their bid and beck.
Post by hummingbird
Do you know how many downloads are by people who intend to burn
and sell the CDs? You will recall many months back that a poster
on ACF made it very clear that he sells Pricelessware CDs. Right?
Pricelessware needs a lawyer! He will explain exactly what actions
are required by you to keep yourself within the law. You will find
it is what I have been telling you. Trust me.
A lawyer? Who is he going to represent? he has no client, no entity.
Pricelessware is a non entity, a name of a scam not a legal, definable,
auditable group. This would be like defending the Mafia.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
Good try at diversion and obfuscation, »Q«, but it won't help.
I am not involved in this potential unlawful activity, and these
exchanges are evidence of that. I'm just trying to ensure that I
am not being unknowingly drawn into it by association with PWH
people who choose to ignore the law.
If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?
The number of federal, state and international laws that are being
violated is incalculable. "Q", at the very minimum, at the least of the
possible violations, is in possession of stolen goods, is transporting
them across every known physical boundary, he is a global criminal of
the first magnitude.
Post by hummingbird
The permissions will have been issued in private e-mails or on
paper. Right? Newsgroup posts by Vince or some other person going
back N years (and buried google) claiming that "permission was
received" or whatever are not adequate to provide the confirmation
that the actual permissions exist, eg: the poster may have been
mistaken or confused, may have lied for expediency or may even
be involved in a $racket. Right?
You can see that. Right?
"Q" can see it as clear as a summer day. It should be fun to watch him
dodge, weave and Franklin out of this one.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
David W
2009-07-07 16:05:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
The only thing which provides that confirmation are copies of
the actual permissions themselves. Right?
Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?
As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
"covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?
They sent BeAr in to try and talk you ought of this blame letting hoping
to keep the Noise Of Truth down to me (and the upcoming surge of Ari's
Boyz).

That's not happening, what will Diversions #2 -10 be?
Post by hummingbird
Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?
A simple blog with copies opf the postings would be easily constructed
to assure both Licensor and Licensee that all is well.

Here is a key point.

ONCE YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE STOLEN GOODS INTO YOUR HANDS OR COMPUTER, YOU
ARE AN ACCESORY, IN POSSESSION OD STOLEN GOODS AND SUBJECT TO THE MOST
SERIOUS ARREST, PROSECUTION AND INCARCERATION.

It's too late then. I fully suspect that the Pricelessware criminals are
aware of this.
Post by hummingbird
I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
implicated. Right?
otoh...
If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
In short, take your fucking scams and go elsewhere.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?
A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
make them available for download on your server. Right?
"Stop", since when do criminals in exiting robberies "stop" when told to
do so by bystanders?

*ROTFLMAO* how lame that is for "Q" buth, hey, it's the best he's got.
Post by hummingbird
_____________________________________________________
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
He knows it now.
Post by hummingbird
THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.
The jails are full of the ignorant :)
Post by hummingbird
What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.
But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...
My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?
-HTH-
Both.

It only takes one broken license to a criminal make.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-07 22:12:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
The only thing which provides that confirmation are copies of
the actual permissions themselves. Right?
Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?
As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
"covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?
They sent BeAr in to try and talk you ought of this blame letting hoping
to keep the Noise Of Truth down to me (and the upcoming surge of Ari's
Boyz).
That's not happening, what will Diversions #2 -10 be?
Post by hummingbird
Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?
A simple blog with copies opf the postings would be easily constructed
to assure both Licensor and Licensee that all is well.
Here is a key point.
ONCE YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE STOLEN GOODS INTO YOUR HANDS OR COMPUTER, YOU
ARE AN ACCESORY, IN POSSESSION OD STOLEN GOODS AND SUBJECT TO THE MOST
SERIOUS ARREST, PROSECUTION AND INCARCERATION.
It's too late then. I fully suspect that the Pricelessware criminals are
aware of this.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php#emailRequests
_______________________________________________________________
"Requesting a CD by email
Copies of the CD are made and distributed by alt.comp.freeware
volunteer burners. These volunteers may ask the recipient to send
a blank CD and a self-addressed mailing envelope or they may ask
to be paid for those out-of-pocket expenses. Volunteers may be
contacted by using the email links below. Subject: Pricelessware
CD request.The countries/areas the volunteer will send CDs to are
noted.

Canada (all CDs): Harsha Godavari
Europe (England) (all CDs): Rincewind
Europe (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) (all CDs): Vegard Krog Petersen
South Pacific (Australia) (all CDs): Adrian Carter
South Pacific (New Zealand) (all CDs): Nicolaas Hawkins
USA (all CDs): Ron May
USA (all CDs): 2 Penny Ron
USA (Midwest) (all CDs): Omar Oszust
USA (Midwest) (2008/2007/2006 CDs): David P. Cox
__________________________________________________________
Post by David W
Post by hummingbird
I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
implicated. Right?
otoh...
If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
In short, take your fucking scams and go elsewhere.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?
A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
make them available for download on your server. Right?
"Stop", since when do criminals in exiting robberies "stop" when told to
do so by bystanders?
*ROTFLMAO* how lame that is for "Q" buth, hey, it's the best he's got.
Post by hummingbird
_____________________________________________________
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
He knows it now.
Post by hummingbird
THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.
The jails are full of the ignorant :)
Post by hummingbird
What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.
But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...
My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?
-HTH-
Both.
It only takes one broken license to a criminal make.
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"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
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»Q«
2009-07-07 21:42:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
That is quite astonishing. Right?
We've already covered your astonishment about all the things you've
just reposted. I've snipped most of your FUD about the international
criminal conspiracy you've dreamt up and consider plausible, since it
doesn't make much sense. But I've left some of it in, plus the stuff
about your tentacles.
Post by hummingbird
_____________________________________________________
I've asked you several times to link to the page
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs themselves,
and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly to the ISO
files simply out of spite or because you think it helps establish the
idea that there's an international criminal conspiracy?
Post by hummingbird
Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
(eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?
That people like freeware?

That there's an international criminal conspiracy?

It's got to be one of those two things.
Post by hummingbird
You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
distribution. Right? Why not?
Apache's mod_access handles that, with 'Allow from all'.
Post by hummingbird
Trust me.
Doesn't everybody trust you?
Post by hummingbird
If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?
Your legal advice and questions are as insightful as ever. Thanks for
trying to help Pricelessware out with them; never let it be said that
hummingbird isn't an active Pricelessware participant.
Post by hummingbird
I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
Sorry, I can't offer you assurances that you're not involved in illegal
activity. I'm unaware of most of your activities; I didn't even know
you have tentacles until you pointed it out below.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them.
Downloading them is fine -- if you find anyone *selling* them, you
should tell them to stop.
Post by hummingbird
I'm a long way from your server and my tentacles don't cover the
planet. Right?
I don't know where you are and I'm not aware of the extent of your
tentacles. Before now, I didn't even realize you had tentacles, but
I'm not terribly surprised.
Post by hummingbird
A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
Once should suffice, yeah. But if you need to download them more than
once, that's not a problem -- go ahead. You can also use bittorrent
for them, if you'd like to help other people get them as well.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made
available to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might
sell CDs, then you're simply a kook. But given your other
intentional FUD, it seems unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
Your legal advice and questions are as insightful as ever. Thanks for
trying to help Pricelessware out with them; never let it be said that
hummingbird isn't an active Pricelessware participant.
Post by hummingbird
You seem to be making a lot of effort to obfuscate that requirement
by copious sophistry...
Thank goodness you're around to bring us back to contemplation of an
international criminal conspiracy. How does it work again?
hummingbird
2009-07-08 02:29:00 UTC
Permalink
'»Q«' wrote thus:

[snip: »Q«'s silly comments except this one:]
Post by »Q«
I've asked you several times to link to the page
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs themselves,
and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly to the ISO
files simply out of spite or because you think it helps establish the
idea that there's an international criminal conspiracy?
No, I do it because:

a) you keep changing the thread titles...and
b) you keep adding a Follow-UP to another group.

Both are bad netiquette, yet you purport to be debating
these unlawful issues seriously.

IOW, you aren't the only one who can be a smartass <VBG>


»Q«, the rest of your new comments are just plain silly.
Not for the first time I might add. Is that your pasttime?

BTW: YOU popped up in this debate to add your 'bit'.
I didn't invite you.

And since you discovered the truth is harsh, you seem to be
getting very defensive. Why is that??

I suggest you take another look at what I wrote if you have any
interest, else I might conclude that you were just trolling to
start with ...and caught a bigger fish than you can handle.

______________________________________________________

I find it amazing that YOU are hosting the primary download of
two PL2008 ISOs containing scores of programs and yet you claim to
be unable to provide any evidence that permission has been granted
by the program authors, where necessary, to do so.

That is quite astonishing. Right?

Not only does that leave YOU open to legal risk for indulging in
unlawful activity, but also anybody who gets involved in the PL
selection/voting process, and those who innocently d/l the ISOs,
burn them and give them away. Let alone anybody who sells them,
who may or may not post regularly to this newsgroup. Right?

This is not a game, »Q«.
Can you not see the scale of legal risk here?
Can you not see the potential unwilling involvement of innocent
people in unlawful activity, dumped upon them by the PWH
'inner circle' due to its ineptness or worse, unlawful behaviour?

Am I surprised that Craig, Ron May, Bugher, REM and other members
of the PWH high command have remained silent during these debates?
Not one jot. They've all run for the trees and left it to you.
Does that make you the patsy? lol.

In case you've forgotten, here are the download links on YOUR
server for the two PL2008 ISOs:
_____________________________________________________
direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________

Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
(eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?

You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
distribution. Right? Why not?

Do you know how many downloads are by people who intend to burn
and sell the CDs? You will recall many months back that a poster
on ACF made it very clear that he sells Pricelessware CDs. Right?

Pricelessware needs a lawyer! He will explain exactly what actions
are required by you to keep yourself within the law. You will find
it is what I have been telling you. Trust me.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
Good try at diversion and obfuscation, »Q«, but it won't help.
I am not involved in this potential unlawful activity, and these
exchanges are evidence of that. I'm just trying to ensure that I
am not being unknowingly drawn into it by association with PWH
people who choose to ignore the law.

If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?

The permissions will have been issued in private e-mails or on
paper. Right? Newsgroup posts by Vince or some other person going
back N years (and buried google) claiming that "permission was
received" or whatever are not adequate to provide the confirmation
that the actual permissions exist, eg: the poster may have been
mistaken or confused, may have lied for expediency or may even
be involved in a $racket. Right?

You can see that. Right?

The only thing which provides that confirmation are copies of
the actual permissions themselves. Right?

Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?

As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
"covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?

Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?

I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?

Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
implicated. Right?

otoh...
If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?

A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?

The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
make them available for download on your server. Right?

Here's your download links again:
_____________________________________________________
direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.

What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.

But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...

My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?


Here's your download links again:
_____________________________________________________
direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________

-HTH-

Here's an extract of the ACF zero_tolerance policy:

"The standard of posting on ACF has deteriorated a lot in the past
12-18 months as the Pricelessware Cult, and those who claim to
be its supporters, lose ground and resort to ever more desperate
smears against those who they perceive are a threat to their
hegemonic control of this newsgroup. These people are mostly
pathological liars and cowards and they know who they are without
listing all their names, but the "Worst of the Worst" are
Franklin, John Stubbings, Ron May, iNcReDuLoUs and »Q«, all
who seize any opportunity to post lies and slime about others."
»Q«
2009-07-08 03:09:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
[snip: »Q«'s silly comments except this one:]
Post by »Q«
I've asked you several times to link to the page
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs
themselves, and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly
to the ISO files simply out of spite or because you think it helps
establish the idea that there's an international criminal
conspiracy?
a) you keep changing the thread titles...and
People who don't want to read about your issues should have a tag to
filter on.
Post by hummingbird
b) you keep adding a Follow-UP to another group.
You're shouting again. ;)

You've changed position 180 degrees from "a.c.p is the only place to
discuss Pricelessware" to "it's a dirty trick to move Pricelessware
discussion to a.c.p".
Post by hummingbird
Both are bad netiquette, yet you purport to be debating
these unlawful issues seriously.
Unlawful issues?
Post by hummingbird
IOW, you aren't the only one who can be a smartass <VBG>
Thanks for clarifying that you were only trying to be a smartass; you
could have saved some typing by just saying that you are indeed doing
it simply out of spite.
Post by hummingbird
BTW: YOU popped up in this debate to add your 'bit'.
There wasn't a debate to "pop up in". There was only you posting FUD
and someone correcting you.
Post by hummingbird
I suggest you take another look at what I wrote if you have any
interest
I've already read your FUD several times; you'll need to do more than
repost it if you want me to read more of it.
That's some mighty fine smartassin' there, hummingbird.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
2009-07-07 05:42:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?!
What are they BeAr?
[...]
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
Post by hummingbird
- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required. It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
Not PWH, but a whole lot of acf contributors create a list of
software eligible to be put on CD. Even programs, that were eligible
the years before, are checked again. Even the posted results are
re-checked by others, to make certain, that no aspect from some
more obscure sub-paragraph is missed.

Then acf posters who take part in this license checking project,
announce, which freeware authors (who require permission for CD
creation) they are contacting, to avoid flooding these authors
with mail. When they get an answer, it is posted to acf (in either
case: permission or rejection). Since a couple of freeware authors
read acf (though not many post here, anymore) you can be sure, that
they'd cry out loud, if permissions would be faked. (To also answer
this completely far-fetched conspiracy theory...)

There is at least one freeware author, who gives *only* the
Pricelessware project permission, to include his program on
CD's. (No newspaper, no other project ever got this permission.)

Even the need to include the source (or keep it ready for download)
has been officially checked with the Free Software Foundation.

Strict license checking has also been done for export restrictions.
If world-wide distribution is not permitted, programs are /not/
included on the CD images.
Post by hummingbird
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
Selling burned CD images in an unmodified way would be a silly
business plan, since customers would read right away in the root
of the CD, that they should (and could) have got this CD for free.
If some people went through the effort of modifying the images
to be able to sell the CDs (wild, unfounded speculation), *they*
would infringe not only the distribution eligibility of some of
the freeware programs included, but also the copyright of those
acf participants, that created the CDs for *free distribution*.

;-----------------

Just a personal addition: Jumping on the train of plain troll posts
done by David W (he posts semi-reasonable to completely irrational
statements and heated attacks in entirely random succession, just
to provoke *any* kind of reaction), makes you look absolutely silly.
This would even be the case, if David W was a sock-puppet of yours.
The posting name Hummingbird fetched a lot of disgrace, lately.

Remarkable has been the increase of the level of allegations, your
posts showed during the last weeks: From supposedly joking level
with smileys to some kind of "factual" mention of illegal activity.
In a couple of days, we'll see "they never were able to explain",
regardless any probable number of facts shown to you???

Are you explicitly seeking for endless arguments, utilizing /any/
topic that might pop up??? I'm *really* not amused... :-(

BeAr
--
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===============================================================--(Oops!)===
Ron May
2009-07-07 11:49:44 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient for those of us who have killfiled their
bullshit to enjoy this newsgroup the way it ought to be enjoyed.
Please don't feed the trolls. The EULA checking threads are a matter
of record for anyone even remotely interested in the issue.

If you look at the bulk of the postings from BB, HB and the various
sock puppets and trolls, the charges they fling around remind me of
monkeys in the zoo tossing handfulls of fecal matter in any direction
just to get a reaction from the crowd. It serves no purpose other
than the monkey's own entertainment. It has no logic or validity.
It's a complete waste of time and energy to attempt rational
discussion with them, because that's clearly not what they're seeking.
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor.

* Killfile those whose only goal is disruption.

* If you can't/won't do that, please don't feed the trolls out of
consideration for those of us who do have them killfiled.

* If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
they say. By quoting, you're helping them achieve theur objective of
avoiding kill filters. A simple <absurd rant snipped> or similar will
suffice. Also (and this is a new request I intend to try and spread)
consider modifying the subject line to [TROLL RESPONSE] to alert
others that nothing of real substance is contained in the post.

When you respond, you're being USED by the trolls for their purposes.
Don't allow yourself to be played for a fool.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
POKO
2009-07-07 13:52:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient for those of us who have killfiled their
bullshit to enjoy this newsgroup the way it ought to be enjoyed.
Please don't feed the trolls. The EULA checking threads are a matter
of record for anyone even remotely interested in the issue.
If you look at the bulk of the postings from BB, HB and the various
sock puppets and trolls, the charges they fling around remind me of
monkeys in the zoo tossing handfulls of fecal matter in any direction
just to get a reaction from the crowd. It serves no purpose other
than the monkey's own entertainment. It has no logic or validity.
It's a complete waste of time and energy to attempt rational
discussion with them, because that's clearly not what they're seeking.
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor.
* Killfile those whose only goal is disruption.
* If you can't/won't do that, please don't feed the trolls out of
consideration for those of us who do have them killfiled.
* If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
they say. By quoting, you're helping them achieve theur objective of
avoiding kill filters. A simple <absurd rant snipped> or similar will
suffice. Also (and this is a new request I intend to try and spread)
consider modifying the subject line to [TROLL RESPONSE] to alert
others that nothing of real substance is contained in the post.
When you respond, you're being USED by the trolls for their purposes.
Don't allow yourself to be played for a fool.
Well put Ron. I agree with posters snipping so we don't see crap from
those in our Bozo Bin. Life would be a lot easier if folks did this,
--
Best - POKO
David W
2009-07-07 16:20:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by POKO
Well put Ron. I agree with posters snipping so we don't see crap from
those in our Bozo Bin. Life would be a lot easier if folks did this,
--
Best - POKO - One of Ron May's "Good Guy Lemmings" and proud of it
Congrats. lol
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
David W
2009-07-07 16:17:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient
Oh, now it is inconvenient!! Let me tell you what "inconvenient" is Ron
May. It's when they arrest you, toss you in the klinker and you bend
down to pick up the toothpick which fell out of your mouth and get a
banana sized dick in your rear end.

*That is inconvenient*. Expect to be inconvenienced.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
ebony
2009-07-07 20:46:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by David W
Post by Ron May
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient
Oh, now it is inconvenient!! Let me tell you what "inconvenient" is Ron
May. It's when they arrest you, toss you in the klinker and you bend
down to pick up the toothpick which fell out of your mouth and get a
banana sized dick in your rear end.
*That is inconvenient*. Expect to be inconvenienced.
Sir the softs I will sell (to cover handling charges) are very convenient.
For kindness sake do not use offensive remarks about bananas or batti boys.

The law is safe under our care.

Please consider it. I speak in peace.
--
Reply online. Mail suspended during extended strike.
David W
2009-07-08 00:27:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by ebony
Post by David W
Post by Ron May
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient
Oh, now it is inconvenient!! Let me tell you what "inconvenient" is Ron
May. It's when they arrest you, toss you in the klinker and you bend
down to pick up the toothpick which fell out of your mouth and get a
banana sized dick in your rear end.
*That is inconvenient*. Expect to be inconvenienced.
Sir the softs I will sell (to cover handling charges) are very convenient.
At $125 a pop, I would say they are very convenient...for you!
Post by ebony
For kindness sake do not use offensive remarks about bananas or batti boys.
Sorry, I was angry at Mr. May for being a dicklick.
Post by ebony
The law is safe under our care.
Please consider it. I speak in peace.
ok
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PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
David W
2009-07-07 16:19:10 UTC
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Post by Ron May
If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
they say.
Translation: Don't propagate their discussions about our criminality.
Speak into the thin air.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
»Q«
2009-07-07 21:06:43 UTC
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please don't feed the trolls out of consideration for those of us who
do have them killfiled.
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
Ron May
2009-07-07 23:24:54 UTC
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Post by »Q«
please don't feed the trolls out of consideration for those of us who
do have them killfiled.
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
I'll grant that you've been using the [HB] tag on most recent posts
and I for one appreciate that. Still, I feel it's not unreasonable to
ask for some consideration. Even if there were an [HB] tag in this
subject line, and there's not, I still see the rest of the subject
line. I wouldn't even KNOW this thread ever existed if no one had
replied, and that's what makes for a better ACF experience IMV.

There's no reason to engage the trolls because they're not the least
bit interested in the merits of an argument, whether it's yours or
theirs. Their goal is disruption and when you respond, (ESPECIALLY
when you quote) it helps them achieve their goal.

You might want to ask yourself what it is YOU hope to achieve in
replying to the nonsense, and whether you're actually moving in that
direction. If not, ISTM it makes little sense to continue.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
»Q«
2009-07-08 00:17:47 UTC
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Post by Ron May
Post by »Q«
please don't feed the trolls out of consideration for those of us
who do have them killfiled.
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
I'll grant that you've been using the [HB] tag on most recent posts
and I for one appreciate that. Still, I feel it's not unreasonable to
ask for some consideration. Even if there were an [HB] tag in this
subject line, and there's not, I still see the rest of the subject
line.
You should be able to set up filters so you don't see any of it. In an
exchange between me and hummingbird, you won't see his posts because
you have him killfiled and you won't see mine because you'll be killing
anything with the [HB] tag.

I haven't put the tag in this Subject header or the previous one
because we're not actually discussing hummingbird's issues here.
Ron May
2009-07-08 11:20:23 UTC
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Post by »Q«
You should be able to set up filters so you don't see any of it. In an
exchange between me and hummingbird, you won't see his posts because
you have him killfiled and you won't see mine because you'll be killing
anything with the [HB] tag.
The obvious flaw is that not everyone uses tags, and if they do,
there's no consistency, IOW filtering on [HB] doesn't do it.

A far better asnswer IMV is to politely ask valuable ACF contributors
not to feed the trolls in the fist place and hope they give the
request fair consideration as a matter of courtesy to others. If
that's too much to ask, then I would appeal to them not to QUOTE the
trolls and help them spread their garbage. I'll take what I can get.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
hummingbird
2009-07-08 11:20:38 UTC
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'»Q«' wrote thus:

-snip-
Post by »Q«
I haven't put the tag in this Subject header or the previous one
because we're not actually discussing hummingbird's issues here.
They are not MY issues, »Q«. They are YOUR issues and that
is how the law sees it. You and Ron May can exchange as much
sophistry and bluster as you like, it doesn't change the facts.

It is a fact that anybody who downloads PL.ISOs from your server
risks acting unlawfully w/o visibility of all necessary author
approvals. Referring people to Google's archives is just a
dishonest diversion on your part to sidestep the issue.

I am simply being a good citizen in trying to ensure that PWH
matters are legal and above board, and that I and other ACF-ers
are not unknowingly being implicated in unlawful activities.

They are legal issues, but you seem to be in denial about this
whole subject and you think it's a big game of smart-assery
where you can win points by dishonest behaviour. It is not.

Pricelessware belongs to ACF (per: Bugher, Ron May et al), and
this being so, anybody who posts on ACF is entitled to ask that
PWH activities are legal and to see relevant program approvals.

YOU have been asked numerous times to provide that evidence
but are unable to do so, yet it is your responsibility to do so,
because YOU are the primary d/l source for the PL ISOs.


Full list of the ISOs available for d/l from your server:
______________________________________________
PL2008:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CDs.md5


PL2007: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2007CD.iso
PL2006: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2006CD.iso
PL2005: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2005CD.iso
PL2004: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004CD.iso
MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004567CDs.md5
______________________________________________
David W
2009-07-08 00:38:59 UTC
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You might want to ask yourself what it is YOU Q hope to achieve in
replying to the nonsense, and whether you're actually moving in that
direction. If not, ISTM it makes little sense to continue.
Uh Oh, "Q" could go on the bad guys list if he doesn't tow the May line!
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
David W
2009-07-08 00:37:31 UTC
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Post by »Q«
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
Well, there you go, Hum, it was inevitable. Killfiled by 90% of the
active participants of ACF.

Wait till you get to 99%, then you get a trophy just like mine. :)
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-08 11:21:50 UTC
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Post by David W
Post by »Q«
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
Well, there you go, Hum, it was inevitable. Killfiled by 90% of the
active participants of ACF.
Whoooooooooosh.
Ron May's getting all worried, the stress shows <VBG>
Post by David W
Wait till you get to 99%, then you get a trophy just like mine. :)
They'll smother mine with sh*t before presenting it ;-)
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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
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David W
2009-07-07 16:14:11 UTC
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Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Just a personal addition: Jumping on the train of plain troll posts
done by David W (he posts semi-reasonable to completely irrational
statements and heated attacks in entirely random succession, just
to provoke *any* kind of reaction), makes you look absolutely silly.
This would even be the case, if David W was a sock-puppet of yours.
The posting name Hummingbird fetched a lot of disgrace, lately.
Let's see if we have this right. I am Bear Bottoms and I am hummingbird
so Bear Bottoms is hummingbird and Ari Silversteinn.

Boggles the mind. Truly.

Signed,

Chris Milbank Bottomssteinn Camper Alden Amanda Lynn Ferret hummingbird
acacari.
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http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-07 18:44:52 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?!
What are they BeAr?
[...]
Both.
BeAr,
the two major issues raised are entirely valid and both involve
potentially unlawful activity going on, in and around
Pricelessware and its PL ISOs They may contain programs for
which no approval has been received to include, and the ISOs
may be getting downloaded, burnt and sold.

These are serious legal matters...
If you cannot understand that, I'm afraid I cannot help you.

It's not good enough for you or »Q« to claim "this or that poster
got the necessary approval from the program author a few years
ago and posted to that effect at the time, go and look in Google".

To cover its ass, PWH needs to have possession of those approvals
(ie the written documents or the e-mails etc) and to make them
available to this newsgroup.

Since »Q« is the primary download site for the two PL2008 ISOs,
he is the person in the frame who needs to provide that evidence.
If he hasn't got it, then he needs to get hold of it - PDQ.

My gut feeling is that he cannot, either because it has been lost
or in some cases has never existed. Either way, since program
licences change frequently, said approvals need to be refreshed
each year *before* new ISOs are produced and made available.

-HTH-


[snip]
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
2009-07-07 22:31:55 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
It's not good enough for you or »Q« to claim "this or that poster
got the necessary approval from the program author a few years
ago and posted to that effect at the time, go and look in Google".
*All* programs have been checked *every* year. Permissions have been
requested (if necessary from license) *every* year. The permission
asked for was for making CD images available to /anybody/.

The permissions have been posted to acf. Since the checking always has
been done in a small time frame, looking up the necessary threads
is simple enough. *No* freeware author *ever* complained, that the
citation of a permission was wrong.
Post by hummingbird
Since »Q« is the primary download site for the two PL2008 ISOs,
he is the person in the frame who needs to provide that evidence.
The evidence is published. Everybody can look it up through Usenet
archives like Google Groups. And a couple of Usenet servers still
carry this years articles.

Do you also stay away from entrance on parties (faking lack of interest),
while everybody enters and hands over a personal invitation? And - after
an hour or two - do you start complaining most people must be there,
uninvited?? And instead of checking the invitations at the entrance, do
you approach every guest, demanding a declaration of relationship to
the hosts? - Which you then declare unreliable, as long as the hosts
do not provide /another/ personal invitation, handed over to the guests
in your presence and with 3 witnesses (chosen by you) around?? Do you
really feel, it is *your* task to suspect "deceit", while the hosts
are looking at ease at the party and its guests???
Post by hummingbird
My gut feeling
Your "gut feeling" looks like nothing, but sheer lust of trolling. :-(

BeAr
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hummingbird
2009-07-08 00:06:50 UTC
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Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by hummingbird
It's not good enough for you or »Q« to claim "this or that poster
got the necessary approval from the program author a few years
ago and posted to that effect at the time, go and look in Google".
*All* programs have been checked *every* year. Permissions have been
requested (if necessary from license) *every* year. The permission
asked for was for making CD images available to /anybody/.
The permissions have been posted to acf. Since the checking always has
been done in a small time frame, looking up the necessary threads
is simple enough. *No* freeware author *ever* complained, that the
citation of a permission was wrong.
BeAr, my debate on this is with »Q« because he is the primary
download source for the PL2008 ISOs, but doesn't know if all
the programs in his ISOs are legally included.

FYI: Here are his download links for the two PL2008 ISOs:
_____________________________________________________
website reference here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php

direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________

You should read my posts to »Q« wherein I stated that posts
made to this newsgroup are not adequate because they could be
mistaken, wrong, inaccurate or even falsely claimed.

»Q« should have the written or e-mail approvals in his possession
and make them available to anybody who has a reasonable cause
to see them (eg anybody on ACF (which owns PWH) and especially
those involved in PL work).

Otherwise he, and anybody else on ACF involved in Pricelessware
ISO distribution, ISO downloading/CD burning/distribution is
leaving themselves wide open to possible legal problems.

If you cannot see that, I cannot help you.

I suggest you see a lawyer if you want to know where the law
stands on this matter. And bear in mind that law varies between
countries, so what may be lawful in America may not be lawful
in other regions of the world.

There is also the other issue about possible selling of PL CDs but
we'll leave that for the moment...
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by hummingbird
Since »Q« is the primary download site for the two PL2008 ISOs,
he is the person in the frame who needs to provide that evidence.
The evidence is published. Everybody can look it up through Usenet
archives like Google Groups. And a couple of Usenet servers still
carry this years articles.
See above.


[snip German humour -hahaha]
David W
2009-07-08 00:41:48 UTC
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Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
*All* programs have been checked *every* year. Permissions have been
requested (if necessary from license) *every* year. The permission
asked for was for making CD images available to /anybody/.
I believe you.

No, I lied, I don't
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
The permissions have been posted to acf. Since the checking always has
been done in a small time frame, looking up the necessary threads
is simple enough. *No* freeware author *ever* complained, that the
citation of a permission was wrong.
Not interested in looking for "threads", it's your job to post these
approvals where everyone can see them without labour.

If they exist and I bet they don't.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
ebony
2009-07-07 06:26:46 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?!
What are they BeAr?
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Without being the slightest bit funny, those
posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
crime-infested side roads.
I have to tell you that it might be true BeAr.....
IMO the Pricelessware project may have started out with altruistic
intentions, but was hijacked by a bunch of zealots, some of whom
saw $$$ in it, and have fought tooth and nail to dominate ACF
for fear of losing their golden egg. That is where we are today.
I'm afraid the evidence is compelling.
That's what these debates are about. No good brushing it under
the carpet, because innocent people do not wish to be associated
with unlawful activity. It is for the Pricelessware people to act
transparently at all times. That is NOT happening. As usual, only
bluster and diversions are forthcoming from the usual suspects.
Others try to divert attention by laughing it off.
Anybody aiding and abetting unlawful activity is also guilty.
Ignorance of the law is no defence.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
A place to stay away from, if keeping
alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
If you are not involved in unlawful activity it might be a good
idea until the whole matter is sorted out.
- whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
the PL CDs where required. It is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Every time, when I hear the song "Lasse Redn" from the German punk
and rock band Die Ärzte these days, I'm strongly reminded of acf.
http://youtu.be/dRPhV_VDzvI
But wading through the flood of <censored> day after day, makes it
sometimes very difficult to just think: "Lasse redn"... :-(
One solution is NOT to make PL ISOs available for download at all.
The website already contains all the links necessary for d/l any
program from an authorised site together with its licence.
It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling charge plus
shipping. $125 scarce covers costs. Do not make a misconversion of price at
the official exchange rate for it is true goods cost relatively different
here.

I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world evered reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed. Accept no substitute."

Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission. It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling
charge plus shipping. $125 scarce covers costs. Do not make a misconversion
of price at the official exchange rate for goods cost relatively different
here.

I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world ever reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed."

Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission.
--
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Ron
2009-07-07 07:20:07 UTC
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<Snip HB lunacy and bulk of "ebony">
Post by ebony
Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission.
ebony, please don't post here any more. Don't ask questions, don't make
statements. I can't believe anyone here finds your participation welcome
or meaningful. I don't wish you ill, just leave quietly.

Go away. Please. EOT for me.

Ron
hummingbird
2009-07-07 15:30:37 UTC
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
[snip]


Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your
IP Addresses keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.

FYI:
IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.

This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...

Why won't you respond???
Are you a casual SPAMMER???
Sidney Lambe
2009-07-07 15:42:40 UTC
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Post by »Q«
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
[snip]
Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your
IP Addresses keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.
IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.
This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...
Why won't you respond???
Are you a casual SPAMMER???
Trying to start a fight?
--
S. Dave Lambe
49.1367ø N 122.8777ø W
David W
2009-07-07 16:37:22 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by »Q«
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
[snip]
Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your
IP Addresses keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.
IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.
This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...
Why won't you respond???
Are you a casual SPAMMER???
Trying to start a fight?
Sidney, I have noticed that you and Bear Bottoms don't post at the same
time. You don't post at the same time as me.

Obviously, you are Bear Bottoms...since I am.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
Ron
2009-07-07 19:49:10 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by »Q«
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
[snip]
Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your IP Addresses
keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.
FYI: IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.
This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...
Why won't you respond???
Are you a casual SPAMMER???
Trying to start a fight?
Sidney, afaict, HB's never asked me a question about anything. Not that
I would ever see it directly, of course.

Ron
hummingbird
2009-07-07 20:58:45 UTC
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Post by Ron
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by »Q«
NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
[snip]
Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your IP Addresses
keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.
FYI: IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.
This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...
Why won't you respond???
Are you a casual SPAMMER???
Trying to start a fight?
Sidney, afaict, HB's never asked me a question about anything. Not that
I would ever see it directly, of course.
Ron
Contradicting yourself is becoming a pasttime, Ron.....

I have asked you FIVE times over recent weeks about your IP
Addresses and even if you didn't see them and therefore not
responded, you had a chance to respond NOW thru the quote
of my post by (troll) Sidney Lambe, but you didn't take it.

We can only take that as YES, you have spammed Usenet.

There you have it folks: Ron <***@ix.netcom.com> is a secret
SPAMMER, but since he has aligned himself with the Pricelessware
Cult (another bunch of spammers), not a single one of them will
take any notice, despite their professed hatred of SPAM.

You couldn't make this up...
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·Freeware resources: http://bearware.info
·ACF <zero tolerance> policy: http://zer0tolerance.notlong.com

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
David W
2009-07-08 00:32:51 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
Post by Ron
Sidney, afaict, HB's never asked me a question about anything. Not that
I would ever see it directly, of course.
Ron
Contradicting yourself is becoming a pasttime, Ron.....
I have asked you FIVE times over recent weeks about your IP
Addresses and even if you didn't see them and therefore not
responded, you had a chance to respond NOW thru the quote
of my post by (troll) Sidney Lambe, but you didn't take it.
We can only take that as YES, you have spammed Usenet.
SPAMMER, but since he has aligned himself with the Pricelessware
Cult (another bunch of spammers), not a single one of them will
take any notice, despite their professed hatred of SPAM.
You couldn't make this up...
Not in a million years.
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http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
John Corliss
2009-07-07 10:47:11 UTC
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(snip)
I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world evered reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed. Accept no substitute."
Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission. It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling
charge plus shipping. $125 scarce covers costs.
Of course, the obviously ludicrous nature of that claim needs no further
discussion.
Do not make a misconversion
of price at the official exchange rate for goods cost relatively different
here.
Content copy 2"
I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world ever reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed."
Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission.
You pretend to be computer illiterate enough to "accidentally" duplicate
your content, yet from your headers I see that you are adept enough to
know how to use 40tude Dialog and an anonymous remailer (Mixmin).

You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
--
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because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.

2008 Pricelessware list: http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/08PWlist.html
Ron May
2009-07-07 11:58:59 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>

That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
David W
2009-07-07 16:07:57 UTC
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Post by Ron May
Post by John Corliss
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>
That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Care to debate the facts regarding the illegal Pricelessware activities
that you are also heading instead of engaging in sophistry,
misinformation, diversion and outright lies, Ron?

Bet not.

Here's your chance.

Bet you don't.

Fuck off then.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
John Corliss
2009-07-08 02:43:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
Post by John Corliss
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>
That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Heh. I know *you* and most other regulars to this group are aware of
what "ebony" really is, but my post was mostly for those less adept at
picking out sock puppets and trolls.

It amazes me -the effort and time spent on trolling this group in an
attempt to disrupt it. Makes me tend to believe that such effort doesn't
go unrewarded financially, if you get my drift and in the context of my
recent thread about this being the main venue for general discussion of
freeware.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all Google Groups posts
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.

2008 Pricelessware list: http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/08PWlist.html
Ron May
2009-07-08 04:32:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corliss
Post by Ron May
Post by John Corliss
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>
That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Heh. I know *you* and most other regulars to this group are aware of
what "ebony" really is, but my post was mostly for those less adept at
picking out sock puppets and trolls.
It amazes me -the effort and time spent on trolling this group in an
attempt to disrupt it. Makes me tend to believe that such effort doesn't
go unrewarded financially, if you get my drift and in the context of my
recent thread about this being the main venue for general discussion of
freeware.
The old socialist in me would love to believe someone is doing this to
make a profit, bur the pragmatist in me tells me that what we have is
no more than a handful of pissant malcontents. I'm amazed that
they're still able to get a few others to rise to the bait.

I sometimes look at this group in the raw to get a sense of what it
would be like without filters:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en

And it's amazing. One good thing is that there are an increasing
number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
the trend continues.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
David W
2009-07-08 05:53:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
One good thing is that there are an increasing
number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
the trend continues.
Legitimate posters = Good Guys = Pricelessware criminals.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
»Q«
2009-07-08 06:00:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
I sometimes look at this group in the raw to get a sense of what it
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
And it's amazing. One good thing is that there are an increasing
number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
the trend continues.
Google's 'topic summary' view is pretty bad for any group. Switching
to 'topic list' makes it much easier to pick out and avoid the
non-freeware threads, a mix of Google Grouper spam and HB threads.

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics>

Heh, Google serves interesting ads for this group,
<Loading Image...>.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Ron May
2009-07-08 10:31:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Heh, Google serves interesting ads for this group,
<http://remarqs.net/misc/gsnap.png>.
Now THAT was funny! <g>
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
John Corliss
2009-07-08 12:57:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron May
Post by John Corliss
Post by Ron May
Post by John Corliss
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>
That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Heh. I know *you* and most other regulars to this group are aware of
what "ebony" really is, but my post was mostly for those less adept at
picking out sock puppets and trolls.
It amazes me -the effort and time spent on trolling this group in an
attempt to disrupt it. Makes me tend to believe that such effort doesn't
go unrewarded financially, if you get my drift and in the context of my
recent thread about this being the main venue for general discussion of
freeware.
The old socialist in me would love to believe someone is doing this to
make a profit, bur the pragmatist in me tells me that what we have is
no more than a handful of pissant malcontents. I'm amazed that
they're still able to get a few others to rise to the bait.
I sometimes look at this group in the raw to get a sense of what it
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
And it's amazing. One good thing is that there are an increasing
number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
the trend continues.
Consider this: if freeware was cutting into your profits, what better
way to limit it's general discussion than to pay a few professional
troublemakers to disrupt this group to the point where it's unusable
except to a few technically savvy individuals like the ACF regulars? In
fact, what better way to make even *that* discussion impossible or at
least difficult than to pay those same assholes to flood the group with
forgeries? Forgeries would serve three purposes:

1. Confuse new people into believing that the regulars are the trolls
2. Exhaust the regulars by forcing them to expend energy defending
themselves.
3. Provide a fake posting history that can be quoted whenever needed by
the trolls.

In the past, I once suggested the first possibility (professional
disruption of the group) and was poo-pooed by some of the regulars who
insisted that ACF simply wasn't important enough in the general scheme
of things. My recent thread which determined that ACF *is in fact* the
main venue for the general discussion of freeware put that notion to rest.

Add to this the fact that this group is turning the Pricelessware
concept into an actual service (basically free distribution of freeware
discs) and suddenly, the monster's eyes get focused on us.

But not to belabor that issue, yes, I hope the "ignoring" trend
continues as well. Generally speaking Ron, we're thinking on the same
frequency. You posted about filtering the group about an hour after I
decided that (with only a few exceptions) I'm going to filter out
everything from those who are primarily spewing hate and discontent into
ACF.

I also am about to start filtering out everything originating from
anonymous feeds and rogue servers. I will also begin including a list of
those domains in my signature file.

However, what really bothers me is that there has to be some way to
encourage new people not to turn away from the group when they drop by
and are turned off by the professional trolls and socks.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all Google Groups posts
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.

2008 Pricelessware list: http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/08PWlist.html
David W
2009-07-07 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?! Without being the slightest bit funny, those
posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
crime-infested side roads. A place to stay away from, if keeping
alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
Shoot the messenger if you don't like the message? Fuck off. All you and
your cronies have to do is openly comply.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
»Q«
2009-07-06 16:37:19 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Does "Pricelessware" get author approval to include freeware
on PL CDs??
Yes, in cases where it's not already explicitly granted.
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
[snip]

Look, freeware downloads!

Please link to <http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> so people will see
this part:

Please don't use download managers that try to establish multiple
connections to this server. There is enough bandwidth for everyone,
but there are not extra connection slots. If you try to make more
than one connection at a time, you are likely to have them rejected.
Worse, you are likely to cause other users to have their connections
rejected also.
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.

You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this time
around, but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you. In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but IIRC in
2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included. ICBW, and of
course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually interested.
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity.
No, it wouldn't. Add "smoking gun" to the ever-lengthening list of
English phrases you don't understand; you can't cite your lack of
evidence as a "smoking gun" without looking pretty silly. I don't
expect that will stop you from claiming you have a "smoking gun", but
don't expect it to be treated any differently than the other figments
of your imagination which you frequently post about.
Ignorance of the law is no defence.
Which laws are you claiming to be ignorant of? To even make a case for
copyright infringement, you'd need to find a copyright holder who
withholds permission. If one exists, and s/he complains, you'll be
horrified to see it worked out amicably, and then you can go look for
another one. But since you haven't been able to find even one, all this
is hypothetical.
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
hummingbird
2009-07-06 18:28:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Subject: Does "Pricelessware" get author approval to include freeware
on PL CDs??
Yes, in cases where it's not already explicitly granted.
Then, since YOU are providing the downloads, you will have seen
all the necessary approvals, and for your own legal security, have
copies of them. Right? That IS what people do in these matters.
It's called "covering yer backside".

I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?

So, why don't you publish the approvals for all to see?

Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?

That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
for years. Right?

So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
Right?

Or do you not have the approvals?
And are you taking a legal risk on behalf of everybody who
participates in the PL nomination, selection, voting process?

And what about the other people who d/l the two PL CDs and believe
they are innocently burning them in good faith that YOU have all
the necessary approvals for distribution?

That would be a really low down thing to do. Right?
I mean, putting willing helpers at legal risk is bad. Right?

Do you understand that?
Post by »Q«
Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
[snip]
Look,
[snip of what I already read on »Q«'s website]
Post by »Q«
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.
I am. See above.
Post by »Q«
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this time
around,
Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.

Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?

Are you not 100% sure?

I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
from YOUR server. Right? Here's the links once again:
_____________________________________________________
website reference here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php

direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you.
Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«, even though YOU may wish
to see it as one, probably to trivialise what may be going on.

And I have no idea who Vince is.

My questions were aimed directly at YOU, because the two PL CDs
are available for primary download from YOUR server. Right?
I just posted the links above. Check and see them.
Post by »Q«
In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but IIRC in
2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included. ICBW, and of
course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually interested.
That is not true. I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
permission from the authors.
That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.

I also saw a bunch of other programs which contain this statement:

"Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
package is not allowed!"

I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
primary download from YOUR server. Right?

That makes YOU legally responsible. Vince is a diversion.
Post by »Q«
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity.
No, it wouldn't.
Sorry, you're wrong. Unlawful activity is unlawful, however much
you may wish to see it.

[snip »Q«'s diversion]
Post by »Q«
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
I have, above and elsewhere.

What YOU need to do is make available all the explicit approvals
which are required, to the owners of Priclessware ie: ACF posters
- so they can be absolutely satisfied that they are not being
involved in any sort of unlawful activities.

That is because the two PL CDs are available for primary download
from YOUR server. Right? The links are shown above.
David W
2009-07-06 18:58:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Subject: Does "Pricelessware" get author approval to include freeware
on PL CDs??
Yes, in cases where it's not already explicitly granted.
Then, since YOU Q are providing the downloads, you will have seen
all the necessary approvals, and for your own legal security, have
copies of them. Right? That IS what people do in these matters.
It's called "covering yer backside".
Yes, each IP address should be logged. As a freeware author, I would
want access to this information regardless of whether I use it or allow
for the free distribution of my work.
I mean, Q surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?
C'mon, Hum. PWHers trust each other :)
So, why don't you publish the approvals for all to see?
This is simple to do. The answer is also simple; they don't have them or
they would.
Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
for years. Right?
So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
Right?
That ACF = Pricelessware thing really comes back to bite their asses at
this point.
And are you taking a legal risk on behalf of everybody who
participates in the PL nomination, selection, voting process?
Without question and probably without having the brains to know that is
exactly what they have done and are doing. Then we have the lemmings
like The Hip, vince, Franklin and others who haven't the brains or the
foresight to think about their own exposures.
And what about the other people who d/l the two PL CDs and believe
they are innocently burning them in good faith that YOU have all
the necessary approvals for distribution?
Caveat Downloader? :)
That would be a really low down thing to do. Right?
I mean, putting willing helpers at legal risk is bad. Right?
Do you understand that?
Q, Craig et al understand it now if they didn't before, no more "duh"
excuses for them.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
David W
2009-07-06 19:05:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Look,
[snip of what I already read on »Q«'s website]
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.
I am. See above.
Post by »Q«
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this time
around,
Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?
Are you not 100% sure?
"Q" isn't 100% sure of anything, Hum, much less this. Well, I suppose
he's 100% sure he's getting his butt reamed at the moment :)
Post by hummingbird
I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
_____________________________________________________
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________
Post by »Q«
but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you.
Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«, even though YOU may wish
to see it as one, probably to trivialise what may be going on.
To trivialize, divert and disinform.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but IIRC in
2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included. ICBW, and of
course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually interested.
That is not true. I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
permission from the authors.
That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.
There are several, he knows it, "vince" lied :)
Post by hummingbird
"Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
package is not allowed!"
Ah, missed that one, off to JayZee with it!
Post by hummingbird
I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
primary download from YOUR server. Right?
That makes YOU legally responsible.
To JayZee: Drop off a phone call to "Q"s ISP and to his server (if
public) and make sure they understand the consequences of supporting
illegally obtained and distributed software.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
I have, above and elsewhere.
What YOU need to do is make available all the explicit approvals
which are required, to the owners of Priclessware ie: ACF posters
- so they can be absolutely satisfied that they are not being
involved in any sort of unlawful activities.
That is because the two PL CDs are available for primary download
from YOUR server. Right? The links are shown above.
REM should supply an audit of all monies he has taken in and disbursed
and the backing documentation.

We should also kow what is the legal entity here? LLC? Inc? Sole
proprietorship, how is it classified a non-profit?

*Or is it?*
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
»Q«
2009-07-06 20:00:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?
Risk breaking the law?
Post by hummingbird
Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
Sorta, but not in the sense you seem to think it does. For example,
an a.c.f-er volunteering to do some Pricelessware stuff isn't signing
up to take orders from every kook who subscribes to the newsgroup.
Post by hummingbird
That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
for years. Right?
No, I've never said "Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF", with or without
the shouting.
Post by hummingbird
So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
Right?
You know where to see the Pricelessware List, hummingbird. For most
other stuff you claim to want to see, you'll need to search the
archives of the group.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.
I am. See above.
No, you're not.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this
time around,
Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up to
speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google the
threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
Post by hummingbird
Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?
Because I believe he did most of the checking this time.
Post by hummingbird
I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
_____________________________________________________
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
[snip malicious reposting of the direct download links]

I repeat: Please link to <http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> so people
will see this part:

Please don't use download managers that try to establish multiple
connections to this server. There is enough bandwidth for everyone,
but there are not extra connection slots. If you try to make more
than one connection at a time, you are likely to have them rejected.
Worse, you are likely to cause other users to have their connections
rejected also.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you.
Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«,
But in the absense of unlawful activity, you are playing a game of
making vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful
activity;
Post by hummingbird
even though YOU may wish to see it as one, probably to trivialise
what may be going on.
Whew, what a relief to find that not even you think that unlawful
activity is going on.
Post by hummingbird
And I have no idea who Vince is.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up to
speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google the
threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
Post by hummingbird
My questions were aimed directly at YOU, because the two PL CDs
are available for primary download from YOUR server. Right?
I just posted the links above. Check and see them.
Please stop posting the direct links to the ISOs. Rather link to
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/>. If it's important to your FUD,
I'll stipulate that the ISOs are indeed downloadable from remarqs.net.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but
IIRC in 2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included.
ICBW, and of course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually
interested.
That is not true.
We're at an impasse, since it is true.
Post by hummingbird
I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
permission from the authors.
I read it, but you didn't give any information about it, here or
there.
Post by hummingbird
That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.
Ah, just casual FUD then.
Post by hummingbird
"Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
package is not allowed!"
You shouldn't be selling Pricelessware CDs, hummingbird; there's a
recent thread about that, starting with a post by a troll calling
itself "ebony". You posted dozens and dozens of times in that thread,
so you shouldn't claim ignorance of the fact that you shouldn't sell
Pricelessware CDs.
Post by hummingbird
I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
primary download from YOUR server.
You're very easily amazed.
Post by hummingbird
Right?
No, there are six of them, not two. You've got a lot of digging in the
archives to do to find out about permissions from copyright holders.
Post by hummingbird
That makes YOU legally responsible. Vince is a diversion.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
involved in unlawful activity.
No, it wouldn't. Add "smoking gun" to the ever-lengthening list of
English phrases you don't understand; you can't cite your lack of
evidence as a "smoking gun" without looking pretty silly.
Sorry, you're wrong.
I'm not wrong, so there's no need for you to offer your apology for it.
Post by hummingbird
Unlawful activity is unlawful, however much you may wish to see it.
We agree that unlawful activity is unlawful.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
I have, above and elsewhere.
I meant your claims that there was unlawful activity going on; now that
you've dropped that claim and are only willing to say it *may* be going
on, you don't have the burden of backing up your malicious speculations,
but you leave yourself open to having people point out that you're
just spreading FUD.
Post by hummingbird
What YOU need to do is make available all the explicit approvals
which are required, to the owners of Priclessware ie: ACF posters
- so they can be absolutely satisfied that they are not being
involved in any sort of unlawful activities.
I take it your aim is to post enough FUD to convince some people not to
distribute the freeware? Anyone with a legitimate concern about
licensing should check the archives of the group.
Post by hummingbird
That is because the two PL CDs are available for primary download
from YOUR server. Right? The links are shown above.
Primary download, I dunno. Usually the ISOs are also made available
from pricelesswarehome.org after the initial bandwidth demand slacks
off. AFAICT, no one's gotten around to doing that for the 2008 CDs.
Maybe someone should, since you're poised on the brink of having people
imprisoned for whatever "may be going on". ;)
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
hummingbird
2009-07-07 16:57:47 UTC
Permalink
'»Q«' wrote thus:

[alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]

I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
to other newsgroups, »Q«. You are frightened of the truth.
Right?
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?
Risk breaking the law?
Correct. That is what I wrote.
If you are making ISOs available which contain programs for which
no written approval has been received (where required), that would
be unlawful and leave you open to prosecution.

That is why it is *so* important for you to have the necessary
approvals in your possession: "covering yer backside". Remember?

I am asking that you make them available to this newsgroup so we
can be assured that they DO exist and people are not unknowingly
being involved in unlawful activity, or worse, a $racket.

You have a problem understanding these basic concepts. Right?

Nevertheless, it's quite a simple concept.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
Sorta, but not in the sense you seem to think it does. For example,
an a.c.f-er volunteering to do some Pricelessware stuff isn't signing
up to take orders from every kook who subscribes to the newsgroup.
You are trying to refine what numerous other people, directly
associated with Pricelessware, have said for N years.

They have never issued limitations or qualifications and always
made it absolutely clear that "Pricelessware belongs to ACF"
and "Pricelessware is held in trust for ACF" and "ACF takes
all decisions regarding Pricelessware" etc etc etc.

ACF = all participants of ACF, not a select few.

There is no doubt about their position. Bugher repeated it
regularly. Ron May even called a (fake) vote to get the Glossary
named "The ACF Wares Glossary" and it appears on the PWH
website under that name.

IIUC, you are now saying that Pricelessware is owned by ACF
ONLY to the extent that is sufficient for PWH to justify
conducting its business affairs on ACF floorspace. Right? All
other PWH activities that go on, are nothing to do with people
on ACF. Right?

That makes a complete mockery of the whole thing. Right?

It means that a privately owned website is wrongly conducting
its business affairs on a Usenet newsgroup. Right?

That may call for formal written complaints to be made to
newsserver owners and ISPs of ANY person who participates in
Pricelessware business activity on ACF.
That would include debates about the webmaster, website design,
PL nomination, selection and voting processes etc etc.

That is in addition to the possibility of Pricelessware indulging
in unlawful licence activities and a CD selling $racket.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
for years. Right?
No, I've never said "Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF", with or without
the shouting.
You are the only person shouting...my use of capitals was simply
an alternative to using " " or * * or ' ' or / / etc. That should
be obvious.

However, you've made many comments over a long period intended to
mean that. But it's interesting that you are now backing away from
it...

Clearly, that "PWH is owned by ACF" is a variable term which can
be re-interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean at any time
to suit the occasion. That is what you are saying. Right?
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
Right?
You know where to see the Pricelessware List, hummingbird. For most
other stuff you claim to want to see, you'll need to search the
archives of the group.
Unfortunately, looking at the Pricelessware List will not help me
one jot to determine whether each program that requires formal
written approval to be included, has actually been received.

I have explained elsewhere that because YOU are the primary
source of downloading the PL ISOs, it is for YOU to provide that
confirmation in the form of the written approvals. Referring me
to Google doesn't cut the mustard as it proves nothing ....I am
referring to the actual approvals, not posts on ACF saying this or
that exists or has been received. They could be errors or even
lies made by someone, anxious to ensure that program XYZ was
included in the ISO because it helped him sell a CD. Right?

Further, such approvals need to be refreshed each year BEFORE
an ISO is created, given that program licences change frequently.

It may not be your duty to personally acquire the approvals, but
it is your duty to make them available, whether you understand
it or not.

You have a problem understanding this basic concept. Right?
As a result, you are wriggling.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.
I am. See above.
No, you're not.
Apparently, you now do mind reading <sigh>
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this
time around,
Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up to
speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google the
threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
See my various comments about this.
Googling will not help one jot.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?
Because I believe he did most of the checking this time.
But you aren't sure, yet you merrily make available for primary
download, the two PL2008 ISOs, apparently ignoring whether the
approvals have been received, where necessary.


I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
from YOUR server. Right? Here's the links once again:
_____________________________________________________
website reference here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php

direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
_____________________________________________________

-snip-
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you.
Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«,
But in the absense of unlawful activity,
Neither you nor I know that, yet. Why deny it?

You sound like a mother "my son would never break the law"
despite the police arresting him...it's called <blind faith>.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but
IIRC in 2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included.
ICBW, and of course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually
interested.
That is not true.
We're at an impasse, since it is true.
Yet you previously said "IIRC". Now you are certain.

It is not true. I posted one example that requires explicit
approval, doubtless others exist. Why are you lying?
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
permission from the authors.
I read it, but you didn't give any information about it, here or
there.
Naturally, it is for you to provide the evidence of necessary
approvals having been received, because YOU are the primary
download source for ISOs and I don't get paid to run around
after you.
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.
Ah, just casual FUD then.
Whatever fills your mind with pleasure...
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
"Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
package is not allowed!"
You shouldn't be selling Pricelessware CDs, hummingbird; there's a
recent thread about that, starting with a post by a troll calling
itself "ebony". You posted dozens and dozens of times in that thread,
so you shouldn't claim ignorance of the fact that you shouldn't sell
Pricelessware CDs.
Post by hummingbird
I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
primary download from YOUR server.
You're very easily amazed.
Post by hummingbird
Right?
No, there are six of them, not two. You've got a lot of digging in the
archives to do to find out about permissions from copyright holders.
I was of course referring to the latest <two> PL2008 ISOs.

I am aware of ISOs for previous years also being on your server,
but didn't want to burden you with the possibility that unlawful
activity may have been going on for a number of years.

That may make it look systematic and more serious...

I think your comments are now getting to be abusive and acidic,
so I've snipped them after a quick scan...



[snip: »Q«'s acidic comments to create diversions]
»Q«
2009-07-08 00:05:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
[alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]
I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
to other newsgroups, »Q«.
You've changed position 180 degrees from "a.c.p is the only place to
discuss Pricelessware" to "it's a dirty trick to move Pricelessware
discussion to a.c.p".
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?
Risk breaking the law?
Correct. That is what I wrote.
Risk breaking the law?
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
Sorta, but not in the sense you seem to think it does. For example,
an a.c.f-er volunteering to do some Pricelessware stuff isn't signing
up to take orders from every kook who subscribes to the newsgroup.
You are trying to refine what numerous other people, directly
associated with Pricelessware, have said for N years.
You asked me about it, so I answered. If you want to ask numerous
other people, ask them.
Post by hummingbird
IIUC, you are now saying that Pricelessware is owned by ACF
ONLY to the extent that is sufficient for PWH to justify
conducting its business affairs on ACF floorspace.
You have very strange misunderstandings of Pricelessware in general, and
repeated efforts by many haven't helped you clear it up. I'm not
interested in trying to help you with it again.
Post by hummingbird
That makes a complete mockery of the whole thing. Right?
Sure, you make a complete mockery of a lot of things.
Post by hummingbird
That may call for formal written complaints to be made to
newsserver owners and ISPs of ANY person who participates in
Pricelessware business activity on ACF.
It might work better as FUD if you mentioned certified letters and
bonded couriers. It'll be a bit sad if your FUD causes some people to
shy away from Pricelessware, but I doubt you can convince many people.
Post by hummingbird
That is in addition to the possibility of Pricelessware indulging
in unlawful licence activities and a CD selling $racket.
It's in addition to the possibility of Pricelessware murdering innocent
babies in their sleep as well. You don't have any evidence that
they're *not* doing that, right? So you can't rule it out, right? So
you should warn everyone that it might be happening, right? Think of
all the dead babies that could possibly be piling up. People wouldn't
want to be involved with something like that, right?
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
No, I've never said "Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF", with or without
the shouting.
You are the only person shouting...
I didn't shout.
Post by hummingbird
my use of capitals was simply an alternative to using " " or * * or '
' or / / etc. That should be obvious.
You claim you didn't know that using caps is shouting? Quote marks are
only used for emphasis by morons. Asterisks indicate bold, and slashes
italics. If you want to underline something, use underscores.
Post by hummingbird
However, you've made many comments over a long period intended to
mean that.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to defer to you as an authority on what
I mean. You've too often demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to
see what anything means.
Post by hummingbird
But it's interesting that you are now backing away from
it...
You're responding to a post in which I explicitly said I'd never said
that. Even you couldn't have misunderstood that, so you must be
pretending that I'm backing away from a statement you know I never made.
Post by hummingbird
Clearly, that "PWH is owned by ACF" is a variable term which can
be re-interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean at any time
to suit the occasion. That is what you are saying. Right?
Your deliberate misunderstanding of what I was saying is getting a bit
out of hand; you might want to scale it back a bit.
Post by hummingbird
Referring me to Google doesn't cut the mustard as it proves
nothing
Mustard needs cutting?
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this
time around,
Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up
to speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google
the threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
See my various comments about this.
Googling will not help one jot.
Because you need information about mustard-cutting?
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«,
But in the absense of unlawful activity, you are playing a game of
making vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful
activity
Neither you nor I know that, yet. Why deny it?
You're more confused than usual; I haven't bothered to deny your
vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful activity.
Post by hummingbird
You sound like a mother "my son would never break the law"
despite the police arresting him...it's called <blind faith>.
On the contrary, when you've asked me for assurances that you're not
breaking the law, I've indicated that I don't know what you're doing.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but
IIRC in 2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included.
ICBW, and of course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually
interested.
That is not true.
We're at an impasse, since it is true.
Yet you previously said "IIRC". Now you are certain.
Again, you are more confused than usual.
Post by hummingbird
It is not true. I posted one example that requires explicit
approval, doubtless others exist. Why are you lying?
I can't even tell what you're accusing me of lying about.
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
permission from the authors.
I read it, but you didn't give any information about it, here or
there.
Naturally
Why direct me to look at red herrings?
Post by hummingbird
I think your comments are now getting to be abusive and acidic,
so I've snipped them after a quick scan...
Good choice -- responding to my comments wasn't doing you or anybody
much good.
David W
2009-07-08 00:36:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
Right?
Risk breaking the law?
Correct. That is what I wrote.
Risk breaking the law?
Too late, you've already broken it.
--
PWH and the Pricelessware Con Game - Exposed
http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
hummingbird
2009-07-08 11:28:48 UTC
Permalink
-big snip-
Post by »Q«
Post by hummingbird
I think your comments are now getting to be abusive and acidic,
so I've snipped them after a quick scan...
Good choice -- responding to my comments wasn't doing you or anybody
much good.
»Q«,
I have set out the factual position and made it absolutely clear
what YOU need to do, but you are refusing to acknowledge your
duty to do so. If you have no further relevant comments to add,
I suggest you stop wasting my time and your's any further.

I repeat:
here's a full list of PL.ISOs which are available from YOUR server
for which you are unable to provide evidence are covered by author
approvals, where necessary. It's a legal matter, plain and simply
but you prefer to shoot the messenger:


Pricelessware Website CD.ISOs available for download:
______________________________________________
PL2008:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CDs.md5


PL2007: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2007CD.iso
PL2006: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2006CD.iso
PL2005: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2005CD.iso
PL2004: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004CD.iso
MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004567CDs.md5
______________________________________________
Me.Here
2009-07-08 04:39:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by hummingbird
[alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]
I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
to other newsgroups, »Q«. You are frightened of the truth.
Right?
No, I don't think that's it HB. Adding follow-ups to a post is usually
done to garner support from others outside the group when your position
is shaky or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Franklin
is a master of this as you well know. :-)
--
MH
hummingbird
2009-07-08 11:49:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Me.Here
Post by hummingbird
[alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]
I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
to other newsgroups, »Q«. You are frightened of the truth.
Right?
No, I don't think that's it HB. Adding follow-ups to a post is usually
done to garner support from others outside the group when your position
is shaky or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Franklin
is a master of this as you well know. :-)
Very true, but in that case »Q« added a Follow-UP header
only to <alt.comp.pricelessware> to take the debate off ACF
where he doesn't want to see it...
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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
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Yrrah
2009-07-06 11:50:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron
, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago argued
for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses to rail
against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a problem that
logic will not address.
Indeed, the boring buffoon and his two equally obsessed cronies are
better ingnored.

Yrrah
--
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http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 10:25:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want
to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts
from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
Isn't this sweet...Q taking up for Yrrah, right or wrong. You /are/
having a comprehension problem. I can live with his silly program updates
of programs which have automatic update notification which others have
turned off so he can update them and maintain his job here in ACF,
however, the nasty snipes he continues to dish out will continue to be
addressed. I'll probably also continue to point out how silly his job in
ACF is.
--
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
»Q«
2009-07-06 16:45:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by »Q«
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by »Q«
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't
want to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who
doesn't want to see these particular freeware posts can easily
filter out posts from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well
known programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
I can live with his silly program updates of programs
I'll probably also continue to point out how silly
There's a simple solution to the problem you've expressed, that you
find these freeware posts silly; you've been given the simple
solution, but you have decided to keep whining instead of use the
solution. Not surprising.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
2009-07-06 04:36:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Minor updates usually address severe security issues or general
non-security related bugs. Therefore, they usually are even more
important than feature related ones. (It doesn't really matter,
if one gets a nice new feature one day earlier or not. And if an
important feature is missing from /any/ program, it is always a
good idea to check for new updates, personally.)
Post by Bear Bottoms
Most programs have the option to notify of updates and that
one elects not to use it, is their own choice.
Most programs /I/ use don't. They are solid tools and real gems,
nevertheless. And some programs, which /do/ notify on updates via
newsletter or update (like IrfanView or K-Meleon, for instance)
delay those notification a couple of days or even weeks, just to
reduce download peeks.

That said, although I have /notification/ if possible usually
switched /on/, automatic /updates/ are usually turned /off/.
I decide, myself, when to update. - On the basis of change-log
files, source code, or descriptions of changes on websites and
the like. If a version does well, updates can be postponed until
the new version shows to run stable. (Or until I have time for
personal tests or a deeper look into the new source.)
Post by Bear Bottoms
nasty representation
We should agree on /one/ rule: *Never* to quarrel on the expense
of the freeware (and its authors), we are discussing.

BeAr
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Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 10:20:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Minor updates usually address severe security issues or general
non-security related bugs. Therefore, they usually are even more
important than feature related ones. (It doesn't really matter,
if one gets a nice new feature one day earlier or not. And if an
important feature is missing from /any/ program, it is always a
good idea to check for new updates, personally.)
I agree and yet some of these folks actually turn off update
notifications.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
Most programs have the option to notify of updates and that
one elects not to use it, is their own choice.
Most programs /I/ use don't. They are solid tools and real gems,
nevertheless. And some programs, which /do/ notify on updates via
newsletter or update (like IrfanView or K-Meleon, for instance)
delay those notification a couple of days or even weeks, just to
reduce download peeks.
However, the ones that Yrrah posts all do. Have you provided him a list
of the programs you have that do not update, so he can post updates for
you?
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
That said, although I have /notification/ if possible usually
switched /on/, automatic /updates/ are usually turned /off/.
I decide, myself, when to update. - On the basis of change-log
files, source code, or descriptions of changes on websites and
the like. If a version does well, updates can be postponed until
the new version shows to run stable. (Or until I have time for
personal tests or a deeper look into the new source.)
I do the same.
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
nasty representation
We should agree on /one/ rule: *Never* to quarrel on the expense
of the freeware (and its authors), we are discussing.
Not a bad rule. Ask Yrrah to post his updates and nix the rest of the
nasty assault he regularly dishes out. I have and he ignores it.
--
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Freeware website: http://bearware.info

If guns cause crime, do cameras cause child porn?
Petersen, Vegard Krog
2009-07-07 03:31:39 UTC
Permalink
On 06.07.2009 02:22 Bear Bottoms wrote:
I could however accept such posts, but

Nobody cares what you could accept or not.
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Freeware Logo & symbol, Halma & Chinese Checkers,
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2009-07-06 00:27:01 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:05:30 -0400, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
[...]
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Yrrah
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
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Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 01:27:08 UTC
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Post by Max Wachtel
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not to be
notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
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hummingbird
2009-07-06 01:30:12 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Max Wachtel
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not to be
notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
He's another half asleep dafty. If he installed PStart, he could
enter the direct website address of ever program he uses in the
config section and just check them out whenever he wanted.

No need to wait for Yrrah to post [Updates] all the time...
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Bear Bottoms
2009-07-06 01:47:48 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Max Wachtel
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not
to be notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
He's another half asleep dafty. If he installed PStart, he could
enter the direct website address of ever program he uses in the
config section and just check them out whenever he wanted.
No need to wait for Yrrah to post [Updates] all the time...
There is nothing better than the program offering immediate update
notification when it is accomplished. If one does not trust the site for
an outcall, then he shouldn't have the program on his computer.

There are plenty of sites which list the most current version for a quick
check. Lazy comes to mind. Where does Yrrah get his update info from. Two
guesses and the second one doesn't count. What, he thinks everyone is
inept and needs his notificaitons? It's ridiculous.
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hummingbird
2009-07-06 01:52:54 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by hummingbird
Post by Bear Bottoms
Post by Max Wachtel
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not
to be notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
He's another half asleep dafty. If he installed PStart, he could
enter the direct website address of ever program he uses in the
config section and just check them out whenever he wanted.
No need to wait for Yrrah to post [Updates] all the time...
There is nothing better than the program offering immediate update
notification when it is accomplished. If one does not trust the site for
an outcall, then he shouldn't have the program on his computer.
There are plenty of sites which list the most current version for a quick
check. Lazy comes to mind. Where does Yrrah get his update info from. Two
guesses and the second one doesn't count. What, he thinks everyone is
inept and needs his notificaitons? It's ridiculous.
The spoon feeding Nanny State in action.
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F. Reeware
2009-07-06 01:56:25 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not to be
notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your
ursine brain, Mr Bottoms.

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Sam Jones
2009-07-06 10:16:33 UTC
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Post by Bear Bottoms
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement [...]
An excellent editor.
Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
files the plugins folder.
Yrrah
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
display character position and total character count.
hummingbird
2009-07-06 12:07:35 UTC
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Post by Sam Jones
I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
display character position and total character count.
Metapad: http://liquidninja.com/metapad/
- starts very quick
- configurable to close by hitting <Esc> key
- supports URL hyperlinks (Ctrl-K)
- shows character position (status bar)
- shows filesize in bytes (status bar), not char count (afaik).
- much more...

I have it set up to completely replace MS Notepad.
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Mark Marsh
2009-07-06 12:52:25 UTC
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Post by hummingbird
Post by Sam Jones
I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
display character position and total character count.
Metapad: http://liquidninja.com/metapad/
- starts very quick
- configurable to close by hitting<Esc> key
- supports URL hyperlinks (Ctrl-K)
- shows character position (status bar)
- shows filesize in bytes (status bar), not char count (afaik).
- much more...
I have it set up to completely replace MS Notepad.
I'd agree with that, it has been my default notepad replacement for a
long time now and uses very little resources too so is ideal for low-end
systems as well.
hummingbird
2009-07-06 13:23:39 UTC
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Post by Mark Marsh
Post by hummingbird
Post by Sam Jones
I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
display character position and total character count.
Metapad: http://liquidninja.com/metapad/
- starts very quick
- configurable to close by hitting <Esc> key
- supports URL hyperlinks (Ctrl-K)
- shows character position (status bar)
- shows filesize in bytes (status bar), not char count (afaik).
- much more...
I have it set up to completely replace MS Notepad.
I'd agree with that, it has been my default notepad replacement for a
long time now and uses very little resources too so is ideal for low-end
systems as well.
The only other one I use a lot is Ted notepad which has better
unicode support, but the free version doesn't support hyperlinks,
which is essential for me: http://jsimlo.sk/notepad/
Completely portable too.
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Bjorn S.
2009-07-05 21:50:15 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
Thanks.
Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
on the Notepad++ home site.

Franco Stellari's Notepad++ plugins
http://fstellari.googlepages.com/npp_plugins#

Found it via:
"AutoSave Adds Reassurance to Notepad++ Editing" (Mon Jun 29 2009)
http://lifehacker.com/5303634/autosave-adds-reassurance-to-notepad%252B%252B-editing
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Yrrah
2009-07-05 22:47:43 UTC
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Post by Bjorn S.
Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
on the Notepad++ home site.
Thanks. Looks useful. It's not listed on the Notepad++ site.

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Sul@Albasani
2009-07-06 02:49:19 UTC
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Post by Bjorn S.
Post by Yrrah
"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
API and STL"
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
Thanks.
Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
on the Notepad++ home site.
Franco Stellari's Notepad++ plugins
http://fstellari.googlepages.com/npp_plugins#
"AutoSave Adds Reassurance to Notepad++ Editing" (Mon Jun 29 2009)
http://lifehacker.com/5303634/autosave-adds-reassurance-to-notepad%252B%252B-editing
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would Doc Updater be the same?
Document updater updates your opened documents in Notepad++ every 3 seconds.
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
Bjorn S.
2009-07-07 18:17:14 UTC
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Post by Bjorn S.
Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
on the Notepad++ home site.
Franco Stellari's Notepad++ plugins
http://fstellari.googlepages.com/npp_plugins#
would Doc Updater be the same?
Document updater updates your opened documents in Notepad++ every 3 seconds.
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
clicking the link for "Doc Updater" there takes me to
http://sourceforge.net/projects/npp-plugins/files/
where I found "Doc Updater" is part of "DocMonitor".

Looked at the source for any suggestive comments, but did not find
any, so my short answer is I don't know.

Longer answer: my guess is that "Doc Updater" will monitor all open
files for changes by another application or user and load the changed
(updated) version if so. Many editors do this them selves, but might
only check the current file, not all open, and might not scan as often
as every 3 seconds.... But this is only me guessing.
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