'»Q«' wrote thus:
[snip: »Q«'s silly comments except this one:]
Post by »Q«I've asked you several times to link to the page
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs themselves,
and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly to the ISO
files simply out of spite or because you think it helps establish the
idea that there's an international criminal conspiracy?
No, I do it because:
a) you keep changing the thread titles...and
b) you keep adding a Follow-UP to another group.
Both are bad netiquette, yet you purport to be debating
these unlawful issues seriously.
IOW, you aren't the only one who can be a smartass <VBG>
»Q«, the rest of your new comments are just plain silly.
Not for the first time I might add. Is that your pasttime?
BTW: YOU popped up in this debate to add your 'bit'.
I didn't invite you.
And since you discovered the truth is harsh, you seem to be
getting very defensive. Why is that??
I suggest you take another look at what I wrote if you have any
interest, else I might conclude that you were just trolling to
start with ...and caught a bigger fish than you can handle.
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I find it amazing that YOU are hosting the primary download of
two PL2008 ISOs containing scores of programs and yet you claim to
be unable to provide any evidence that permission has been granted
by the program authors, where necessary, to do so.
That is quite astonishing. Right?
Not only does that leave YOU open to legal risk for indulging in
unlawful activity, but also anybody who gets involved in the PL
selection/voting process, and those who innocently d/l the ISOs,
burn them and give them away. Let alone anybody who sells them,
who may or may not post regularly to this newsgroup. Right?
This is not a game, »Q«.
Can you not see the scale of legal risk here?
Can you not see the potential unwilling involvement of innocent
people in unlawful activity, dumped upon them by the PWH
'inner circle' due to its ineptness or worse, unlawful behaviour?
Am I surprised that Craig, Ron May, Bugher, REM and other members
of the PWH high command have remained silent during these debates?
Not one jot. They've all run for the trees and left it to you.
Does that make you the patsy? lol.
In case you've forgotten, here are the download links on YOUR
server for the two PL2008 ISOs:
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direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
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Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
(eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?
You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
distribution. Right? Why not?
Do you know how many downloads are by people who intend to burn
and sell the CDs? You will recall many months back that a poster
on ACF made it very clear that he sells Pricelessware CDs. Right?
Pricelessware needs a lawyer! He will explain exactly what actions
are required by you to keep yourself within the law. You will find
it is what I have been telling you. Trust me.
Post by »Q«Post by hummingbirdIt is astonishing that these are not
already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
Good try at diversion and obfuscation, »Q«, but it won't help.
I am not involved in this potential unlawful activity, and these
exchanges are evidence of that. I'm just trying to ensure that I
am not being unknowingly drawn into it by association with PWH
people who choose to ignore the law.
If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?
The permissions will have been issued in private e-mails or on
paper. Right? Newsgroup posts by Vince or some other person going
back N years (and buried google) claiming that "permission was
received" or whatever are not adequate to provide the confirmation
that the actual permissions exist, eg: the poster may have been
mistaken or confused, may have lied for expediency or may even
be involved in a $racket. Right?
You can see that. Right?
The only thing which provides that confirmation are copies of
the actual permissions themselves. Right?
Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?
As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
"covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?
Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?
I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
implicated. Right?
otoh...
If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
Post by »Q«Post by hummingbird- whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?
A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
make them available for download on your server. Right?
Here's your download links again:
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direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
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Post by »Q«If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
and abetting unlawful activity.
THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.
What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.
But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...
My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?
Here's your download links again:
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direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
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-HTH-
Here's an extract of the ACF zero_tolerance policy:
"The standard of posting on ACF has deteriorated a lot in the past
12-18 months as the Pricelessware Cult, and those who claim to
be its supporters, lose ground and resort to ever more desperate
smears against those who they perceive are a threat to their
hegemonic control of this newsgroup. These people are mostly
pathological liars and cowards and they know who they are without
listing all their names, but the "Worst of the Worst" are
Franklin, John Stubbings, Ron May, iNcReDuLoUs and »Q«, all
who seize any opportunity to post lies and slime about others."