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OT Nomenclature/Logo Retirement Watch : The Washington Redskins
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That Derek
2020-07-13 14:45:39 UTC
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https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/AP-Source-Washington-NFL-team-dropping-15403978.php

Washington's NFL team drops 'Redskins' name after 87 years

Stephen Whyno, Ap Sports Writer
Updated 7:11 am PDT, Monday, July 13, 2020

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Washington NFL franchise announced Monday it is dropping the “Redskins” name and Indian head logo, bowing to recent pressure from sponsors and decades of criticism that they are offensive to Native Americans.

A new name must still be selected for one of the oldest and most storied teams in the National Football League, and it was unclear how soon that will happen. But for now, arguably the most polarizing name in North American professional sports is gone at a time of reckoning over racial injustice, iconography and racism in the U.S.

The move came less than two weeks after owner Dan Snyder, a boyhood fan of the team who once declared he would never get rid of the name, launched a “thorough review” amid pressure from sponsors. FedEx, Nike, Pepsi and Bank of America all lined up against the name, which was given to the franchise in 1933 when the team was still based in Boston.

The team said it is “retiring” the name and logo and that Snyder and coach Ron Rivera are working closely to develop a new moniker and design. The announcement came on the old letterhead with the Redskins name because the team technically retains it until a new one is chosen and approved.

Native American advocates and experts have long criticized the name they call a “dictionary-defined racial slur.” Over a dozen Native leaders and organizations wrote to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell last week demanding an immediate end to Washington’s use of the name. Goodell, who has fielded questions on the topic for years, said he supported the review.

Protests against the name predate Snyder buying the team in 1999, and, until now, he had shown no willingness to consider a change. Strong words from sponsors — including a company run by a minority stakeholder of the team — changed the equation.
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FedEx earlier this month became the first sponsor to announce it had asked the organization to change the name, particularly important because CEO Frederick Smith owns part of the team. FedEx paid $205 million for the long-term naming rights to the team’s stadium in Landover, Maryland.

The lease at FedEx Field expires in 2027, and dropping the name keeps open various possibilities in Maryland, Virginia and Washington for the team’s new stadium and headquarters. District of Columbia Mayor Muriel Bowser has said the name was an “obstacle” to Snyder building on the old RFK Stadium site, which is believed to be his preference.

The team recently started cutting ties with racist founder George Preston Marshall, removing his name from the Ring of Fame and renaming the lower bowl at FedEx Field for the team’s first Black player, late Hall of Famer Bobby Mitchell. Marshall, who renamed the Boston Braves the Redskins in 1933 and moved the team to D.C. four years later, was a segregationist and the last NFL owner to integrate his team. The current logo shows the profile of a red-faced Native American with feathers in his hair.

Major League Baseball’s Atlanta Braves and the National Hockey League’s Chicago Blackhawks have said they have no inclination to change their names. Some advocates would like to see all Native American names, mascots and imagery out of sports.

Long removed from the glory days of winning Super Bowl titles in the 1982, 1987 and 1991 seasons under coach Joe Gibbs, Washington's NFL team has just five playoff appearances in 21 years and no postseason victories since 2005. The team has lacked a nationally marketable player since Robert Griffin III’s short-lived stardom, and the 2020 schedule features zero prime-time games for a franchise that used to be a draw.

Re-branding with a new name and logo — and perhaps the same burgundy and gold colors — coupled with turning football operations over to Rivera could be a boon for Snyder on and off the field. Even if a segment of the fan base opposes the change in the name of tradition, winning would more than make up for those losses.
Kenny McCormack
2020-07-13 15:16:41 UTC
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In article <6cd7bc06-b1e6-4486-96e2-***@googlegroups.com>,
That Derek <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Major League Baseballs Atlanta Braves and the National Hockey
Leagues Chicago Blackhawks have said they have no inclination
to change their names. Some advocates would like to see all Native
American names, mascots and imagery out of sports.
Clearly, this is where we are headed. Everything (i.e., anything) is offensive
to someone.

I have long thought that things should just be numbered, like schools in NYC.
You quickly run out of people to name things after.

So, each NFL team should just be "Team #X" (for X=1 to 24)

BTW, Green Bay might want to start worrying about offending the animal
based food processing industry workers. This sounds like a joke, but I'm
actually serious. It's just not that hard to imagine a set of circumstances
under which the name of that team could be interpreted as a slur. Given
how CV19 has affected the meat packing industry - specifically, how really
horrible management (induced by the actions of the orange clown) has put
worker's lives in peril - it is not hard to imagine them taking offense.

So, NFL, get in front of this thing!
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John M.
2020-07-13 23:43:42 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
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Major League Baseballs Atlanta Braves and the National Hockey
Leagues Chicago Blackhawks have said they have no inclination
to change their names. Some advocates would like to see all Native
American names, mascots and imagery out of sports.
Clearly, this is where we are headed. Everything (i.e., anything) is offensive
to someone.
I have long thought that things should just be numbered, like schools in NYC.
You quickly run out of people to name things after.
So, each NFL team should just be "Team #X" (for X=1 to 24)
BTW, Green Bay might want to start worrying about offending the animal
based food processing industry workers. This sounds like a joke, but I'm
actually serious. It's just not that hard to imagine a set of circumstances
under which the name of that team could be interpreted as a slur. Given
how CV19 has affected the meat packing industry - specifically, how really
horrible management (induced by the actions of the orange clown) has put
worker's lives in peril - it is not hard to imagine them taking offense.
So, NFL, get in front of this thing!
I've thought in the past, if I were a musician putting out recordings
I would name the albums 1, 2, 3..... and numbering the tracks as well
so song 3 on album 2 would be song 2.3. The point is moot though as I
am not a musician.

I do, however, have many photographs (dare I say fine art?) that I,
for the most part, name them by year, roll # and frame # in that
order.
Kenny McCormack
2020-07-14 00:04:07 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>,
John M. <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Post by John M.
Post by Kenny McCormack
So, NFL, get in front of this thing!
I've thought in the past, if I were a musician putting out recordings
I would name the albums 1, 2, 3..... and numbering the tracks as well
so song 3 on album 2 would be song 2.3. The point is moot though as I
am not a musician.
I do, however, have many photographs (dare I say fine art?) that I,
for the most part, name them by year, roll # and frame # in that
order.
See! You got the right idea!
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RH Draney
2020-07-14 00:24:18 UTC
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Post by John M.
Post by Kenny McCormack
...
Major League Baseballs Atlanta Braves and the National Hockey
Leagues Chicago Blackhawks have said they have no inclination
to change their names. Some advocates would like to see all Native
American names, mascots and imagery out of sports.
Clearly, this is where we are headed. Everything (i.e., anything) is offensive
to someone.
I have long thought that things should just be numbered, like schools in NYC.
You quickly run out of people to name things after.
So, each NFL team should just be "Team #X" (for X=1 to 24)
BTW, Green Bay might want to start worrying about offending the animal
based food processing industry workers. This sounds like a joke, but I'm
actually serious. It's just not that hard to imagine a set of circumstances
under which the name of that team could be interpreted as a slur. Given
how CV19 has affected the meat packing industry - specifically, how really
horrible management (induced by the actions of the orange clown) has put
worker's lives in peril - it is not hard to imagine them taking offense.
If you can't name a team after Indians/Braves/Redskins/Chiefs, then
"Cowboys" should be off the table too...and then you've got to deal with
disgruntled Pirates, Raiders, Buccaneers, Warriors, 49ers, 76ers,
Steelers, Patriots, Trolley Dodgers, Vikings, Saints, Padres...not sure
what to make of Browns and Bills, but I think the Bengals are named
after the cat, and the Cardinals for the bird....
Post by John M.
I've thought in the past, if I were a musician putting out recordings
I would name the albums 1, 2, 3..... and numbering the tracks as well
so song 3 on album 2 would be song 2.3. The point is moot though as I
am not a musician.
Chicago did something like that, with a few deviations involving live
albums and compilations....r
Terry del Fuego
2020-07-14 14:28:18 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Chicago did something like that, with a few deviations involving live
albums and compilations....r
Peter Gabriel remains the champion with three (in the USA) or four (in
civilized parts of the world) consecutive albums simply titled "Peter
Gabriel".
Travoltron
2020-07-14 14:42:56 UTC
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I submit the name Washington Redtape
Scott Brady
2020-07-14 16:16:03 UTC
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Post by That Derek
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Washington NFL franchise announced Monday it is dropping the “Redskins” name and Indian head logo, bowing to recent pressure from sponsors and decades of criticism that they are offensive to Native Americans.
I'm surprised they're keeping "Washington."
Kenny McCormack
2020-07-14 16:18:28 UTC
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Post by Scott Brady
WASHINGTON (AP) The Washington NFL franchise announced Monday it
is dropping the Redskins name and Indian head logo, bowing to
recent pressure from sponsors and decades of criticism that they are
offensive to Native Americans.
I'm surprised they're keeping "Washington."
Very good!

Like I said: Team #17
is where we're headed.
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Adam H. Kerman
2020-07-14 16:20:31 UTC
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Post by That Derek
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/AP-Source-Washington-NFL-team-dropping-15403978.php
Washington's NFL team drops 'Redskins' name after 87 years
I propose Washington Palefaces.
Scott Brady
2020-07-14 20:21:36 UTC
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Their biggest rivals are the Cowboys, right? And who's the cowboy's natural enemy?

The Washington Rustlers.

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