Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over US

[martin]

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

tt

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

[liberal]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins or descent....not so
much.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by liberal

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
or descent....not so much.

Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.

We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.

The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.

The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

Anytime a government attempts to attack a member or group of the bad
cells, the good cells will get royally pissed. Families and friends
are separated, business (the BASIS for American success) are
fractured, and a long -and painful, undesirable et cetera. AS a
nutshell example, consider a car that is jointly owned by two Mexican
and one of them gets deported.

This much heralded war (LOL) that constitutes the wet dreams of a
human hater such as Martin, plus the gang that hangs out at
alt.politics.immigration only exists in Usenet.

NO GOVERNMENT WILL EVER DECLARE A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE!!

GOT THAT, MARTIN? Got that, Don Gaba? Got that Icon?

What you suggest has been tried in the 1860s USA and in 1930s in
Germany. Another re-play occurred during the Civil Rights struggle, so
equivalent to what we are witnessing today. No need to tell you that
you people were on the losing side.

:-P

-Ramon

[Iconoclast]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.
Anytime a government attempts to attack a member or group of the bad
cells, the good cells will get royally pissed. Families and friends
are separated, business (the BASIS for American success) are
fractured, and a long -and painful, undesirable et cetera. AS a
nutshell example, consider a car that is jointly owned by two Mexican
and one of them gets deported.
This much heralded war (LOL) that constitutes the wet dreams of a
human hater such as Martin, plus the gang that hangs out at
alt.politics.immigration only exists in Usenet.
NO GOVERNMENT WILL EVER DECLARE A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE!!
GOT THAT, MARTIN? Got that, Don Gaba? Got that Icon?
What you suggest has been tried in the 1860s USA and in 1930s in
Germany. Another re-play occurred during the Civil Rights struggle, so
equivalent to what we are witnessing today. No need to tell you that
you people were on the losing side.
:-P
-Ramon

You forgot about the Chinese Exclusion Act and Kit Carson's campaign
against the Indians in New Mexico or Operation Wetback under
Eisenhour. Fort Carson in Colorado is named after Kit Carson who
waged the "Indian Wars" in the West. Then there was the "dark
chapter" in American history with regard to the Japanese and Japanese-
Americans. You forget the 80 million indiginous peoples that
Hispanics killed after the arrival of Christopher Columbus.
Referencing a 007 movie, never say never. Those who don't understand
the past are doomed to repeat it.

[f. barnes]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.
Anytime a government attempts to attack a member or group of the bad
cells, the good cells will get royally pissed. Families and friends
are separated, business (the BASIS for American success) are
fractured, and a long -and painful, undesirable et cetera. AS a
nutshell example, consider a car that is jointly owned by two Mexican
and one of them gets deported.
This much heralded war (LOL) that constitutes the wet dreams of a
human hater such as Martin, plus the gang that hangs out at
alt.politics.immigration only exists in Usenet.
NO GOVERNMENT WILL EVER DECLARE A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE!!
GOT THAT, MARTIN? Got that, Don Gaba? Got that Icon?
What you suggest has been tried in the 1860s USA and in 1930s in
Germany. Another re-play occurred during the Civil Rights struggle, so
equivalent to what we are witnessing today. No need to tell you that
you people were on the losing side.
:-P
-Ramon

Then there was president Eisenhower, so we know absolutely without the
a shadow of a doubt that it can be done. All that's required is the
right president, a president with balls.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by f. barnes

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.
Anytime a government attempts to attack a member or group of the bad
cells, the good cells will get royally pissed. Families and friends
are separated, business (the BASIS for American success) are
fractured, and a long -and painful, undesirable et cetera. AS a
nutshell example, consider a car that is jointly owned by two Mexican
and one of them gets deported.
This much heralded war (LOL) that constitutes the wet dreams of a
human hater such as Martin, plus the gang that hangs out at
alt.politics.immigration only exists in Usenet.
NO GOVERNMENT WILL EVER DECLARE A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE!!
GOT THAT, MARTIN? Got that, Don Gaba? Got that Icon?
What you suggest has been tried in the 1860s USA and in 1930s in
Germany. Another re-play occurred during the Civil Rights struggle, so
equivalent to what we are witnessing today. No need to tell you that
you people were on the losing side.
:-P
-Ramon

Then there was president Eisenhower, so we know absolutely without the
a shadow of a doubt that it can be done.  All that's required is the
right president, a president with balls.

I should have clarified that I was referring to the 21st. and next
centuries...

-RFH

[johnny@.]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by liberal

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
or descent....not so much.

Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

In that case they will all have to be removed.

Post by Ramon F Herrera
Anytime a government attempts to attack a member or group of the bad
cells, the good cells will get royally pissed. Families and friends
are separated, business (the BASIS for American success) are
fractured, and a long -and painful, undesirable et cetera. AS a
nutshell example, consider a car that is jointly owned by two Mexican
and one of them gets deported.
This much heralded war (LOL) that constitutes the wet dreams of a
human hater such as Martin, plus the gang that hangs out at
alt.politics.immigration only exists in Usenet.
NO GOVERNMENT WILL EVER DECLARE A WAR AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE!!
GOT THAT, MARTIN? Got that, Don Gaba? Got that Icon?
What you suggest has been tried in the 1860s USA and in 1930s in
Germany. Another re-play occurred during the Civil Rights struggle, so
equivalent to what we are witnessing today. No need to tell you that
you people were on the losing side.
:-P
-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by ***@.

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

In that case they will all have to be removed.

"It does not compute"

-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)

-Ramon

[johnny@.]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by ***@.

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by liberal

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
or descent....not so much.

Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

In that case they will all have to be removed.

"It does not compute"
-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)
-Ramon

It will compute when enough Americans are unemployed, and enough
hospitals are closed.

The American people will be voting for the presidential candidate that
promises to remove all illegal aliens.

Tancredo just came along at the wrong time.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

 > In that case they will all have to be removed.
"It does not compute"
-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)
-Ramon

Okay, let me give you serious reply. I am going to wear my anti-
Mexican hat. I will become I red blooded American from a like-colored
state.

The fundamental issue is that economic forces bring people to our
shores. Much like evolution, the economy does not really care whether
such people are:

- Hunted in the African savannas, chained and put in a slave ship.

- Chinese who heard there was money to be made building the
intercontinental railroad.

- Mexicans who also hear that they can make 10x more money in El
Norte.

So, okay, they arrived to The Land of Opportunity and HELPED build
this great country of ours.

The bad news is that we cannot kick them anymore. They have already
paid their dues with their hard work. They contributed to build a
country (as for the criminal ones -hard crime- we simply kick their
brown ass).

There is no Liberia-bound ships when the Anglos realized there were
too many black descendants around.

We CAN (and should and MUST) stop new ones from crossing illegally,
that's for sure. I don't know any single rational person who is for
open borders.

Just like a baby: you can prevent him from being born but once he is
born, you cannot put him back in the womb. You cannot put the tooth
paste back.

Once an undocumented worker is "born" and helps build this country it
is -not impossible- but very hard to kick him back.

What we need is a policy that makes sense. We don't have it because of
the Conservatives. Twice it has been tried and twice derailed. They
are the ones who gave de facto amnesty to the undocumented immigrants.

-Ramon

[johnny@.]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by ***@.

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by liberal

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
or descent....not so much.

Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

In that case they will all have to be removed.

"It does not compute"
-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)
-Ramon

Okay, let me give you serious reply. I am going to wear my anti-
Mexican hat. I will become I red blooded American from a like-colored
state.
The fundamental issue is that economic forces bring people to our
shores. Much like evolution, the economy does not really care whether

Thomas Jefferson would have phrased it like this.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not
constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson

Post by Ramon F Herrera
- Hunted in the African savannas, chained and put in a slave ship.
- Chinese who heard there was money to be made building the
intercontinental railroad.
- Mexicans who also hear that they can make 10x more money in El
Norte.
So, okay, they arrived to The Land of Opportunity and HELPED build
this great country of ours.
The bad news is that we cannot kick them anymore. They have already
paid their dues with their hard work. They contributed to build a
country (as for the criminal ones -hard crime- we simply kick their
brown ass).
There is no Liberia-bound ships when the Anglos realized there were
too many black descendants around.
We CAN (and should and MUST) stop new ones from crossing illegally,
that's for sure. I don't know any single rational person who is for
open borders.

How about most of the Hispanic Mexicans in the U.S.?

Post by Ramon F Herrera
Just like a baby: you can prevent him from being born but once he is
born, you cannot put him back in the womb. You cannot put the tooth
paste back.
Once an undocumented worker is "born" and helps build this country it
is -not impossible- but very hard to kick him back.
What we need is a policy that makes sense. We don't have it because of
the Conservatives. Twice it has been tried and twice derailed. They
are the ones who gave de facto amnesty to the undocumented immigrants.
-Ramon

They are still here but can be deported at any time.

There are two problems, one is family reunification, and the other is
our government will not seal the border.

What is your policy that would make sense?

[f. barnes]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

 > In that case they will all have to be removed.
"It does not compute"
-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)
-Ramon

Okay, let me give you serious reply. I am going to wear my anti-
Mexican hat. I will become I red blooded American from a like-colored
state.
The fundamental issue is that economic forces bring people to our
shores. Much like evolution, the economy does not really care whether
 - Hunted in the African savannas, chained and put in a slave ship.
 - Chinese who heard there was money to be made building the
intercontinental railroad.
 - Mexicans who also hear that they can make 10x more money in El
Norte.
So, okay, they arrived to The Land of Opportunity and HELPED build
this great country of ours.
The bad news is that we cannot kick them anymore. They have already
paid their dues with their hard work. They contributed to build a
country (as for the criminal ones -hard crime- we simply kick their
brown ass).
There is no Liberia-bound ships when the Anglos realized there were
too many black descendants around.
We CAN (and should and MUST) stop new ones from crossing illegally,
that's for sure. I don't know any single rational person who is for
open borders.
Just like a baby: you can prevent him from being born but once he is
born, you cannot put him back in the womb. You cannot put the tooth
paste back.
Once an undocumented worker is "born" and helps build this country it
is -not impossible- but very hard to kick him back.
What we need is a policy that makes sense. We don't have it because of
the Conservatives. Twice it has been tried and twice derailed. They
are the ones who gave de facto amnesty to the undocumented immigrants.
-Ramon- Hide quoted text -

We no longer need more people to help build the country as we did when
the Chinese came, and when the Irish came. The country is fully built
and full up now. We are no different from China. China doesn't
need more people either.

Define "makes sense".

[liberal]

Post by f. barnes

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

 > Of illegals, yes. Of citizens of Mexican origins
 > or descent....not so much.
Therein, as the Great Bard famously said, lays the rub.
We Latino immigrants are not unlike the cancer cells to which we have
been compared so much, along with "invaders" or "parasites". Our
reaction, of course is a big smile filled with contempt - Like it or
not, we have the demographic imperative advantage.
The difference is that while the search for the Holly Grail will
eventually yields results among the medical research community
(methods to eliminate the "bad" cells while keeping the "good" ones
alive), the search for an equivalent to separate Hispanics is futile.
The Martins of the world may as well try alchemy: It will get tangible
results sooner.
The "cure" that hidden as well as overt racists such as Martin are
asking for is simply not possible: There is no human way to invent a
magic "scalpel" that will cut the illegal from the legal ones.

 > In that case they will all have to be removed.
"It does not compute"
-The Lost in Space Robot. :^)
-Ramon

Okay, let me give you serious reply. I am going to wear my anti-
Mexican hat. I will become I red blooded American from a like-colored
state.
The fundamental issue is that economic forces bring people to our
shores. Much like evolution, the economy does not really care whether
 - Hunted in the African savannas, chained and put in a slave ship.
 - Chinese who heard there was money to be made building the
intercontinental railroad.
 - Mexicans who also hear that they can make 10x more money in El
Norte.
So, okay, they arrived to The Land of Opportunity and HELPED build
this great country of ours.
The bad news is that we cannot kick them anymore. They have already
paid their dues with their hard work. They contributed to build a
country (as for the criminal ones -hard crime- we simply kick their
brown ass).
There is no Liberia-bound ships when the Anglos realized there were
too many black descendants around.
We CAN (and should and MUST) stop new ones from crossing illegally,
that's for sure. I don't know any single rational person who is for
open borders.
Just like a baby: you can prevent him from being born but once he is
born, you cannot put him back in the womb. You cannot put the tooth
paste back.
Once an undocumented worker is "born" and helps build this country it
is -not impossible- but very hard to kick him back.
What we need is a policy that makes sense. We don't have it because of
the Conservatives. Twice it has been tried and twice derailed. They
are the ones who gave de facto amnesty to the undocumented immigrants.
-Ramon- Hide quoted text -

We no longer need more people to help build the country as we did when
the Chinese came, and when the Irish came.  The country is fully built
and full up now.    We are no different from China.  China doesn't
need more people either.
Define "makes sense".

He longs for a Mexicanization of the US government.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!

It sure does! Such profound cleaning is undergoing as we speak.

May I offer hard-work personnel, indefatigable labor at very
reasonable rates, Martin? Just drop me a note, and we will be there
very pronto.

I can provide folks to build border walls, distribute your KKK and
White Supremacist pamphlets, and any job which doesn't require much
education - (but not to worry: we are working on that...).

If you want them English-speaking it will be extra.

-Ramon

ps: Obbie is just the first one, be prepared to be house-cleaned!

[SgtMinor]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house? Why?

From the story:

"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."

[martin]

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house?  Why?
"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Let's run the illegals back across the border. If citizens of mestizo
descent want to join
them that is their right. Note that I support the deportation of all
illegal aliens, asians, europeans, etc.

tt

[SgtMinor]

Post by martin

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house? Why?
"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Let's run the illegals back across the border. If citizens of mestizo
descent want to join
them that is their right. Note that I support the deportation of all
illegal aliens, asians, europeans, etc.
tt

And what does a survey taken in Mexico have to do with that attitude?

[liberal]

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/Western Voices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house?  Why?
"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Let's run the illegals back across the border. If citizens of mestizo
descent want to join
them that is their right. Note that I support the deportation of all
illegal aliens, asians, europeans, etc.
tt

And what does a survey taken in Mexico have to do with that attitude?

Ahhh, but it says a lot about the provincialism of the citizens of
Mexico...that Mexico immigrants (legal and illegal) owe more to the
nation that has abandoned them than to the nation that offers them a
future.

[SgtMinor]

Post by liberal

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/Western Voices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house? Why?
"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Let's run the illegals back across the border. If citizens of mestizo
descent want to join
them that is their right. Note that I support the deportation of all
illegal aliens, asians, europeans, etc.
tt

And what does a survey taken in Mexico have to do with that attitude?

Ahhh, but it says a lot about the provincialism of the citizens of
Mexico...that Mexico immigrants (legal and illegal) owe more to the
nation that has abandoned them than to the nation that offers them a
future.

Really? Let's do a poll of some Americans and ask them about Americans
now living in Europe. Who should they be loyal to, the US or Europe?
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find the majority of Americans saying
they should be loyal to the US.

Mexicans come to the US for economic, not political reasons. I bet many
of them expect to return to Mexico, eventually, and their friends and
relatives in Mexico expect that as well.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by liberal

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

Post by SgtMinor

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ?Oct 15, 2009?
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/WesternVoices

So any time people in some foreign land are asked a survey question
about the USA, you think we should clean house?  Why?
"When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to
Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that
it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the
United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Let's run the illegals back across the border. If citizens of mestizo
descent want to join
them that is their right. Note that I support the deportation of all
illegal aliens, asians, europeans, etc.
tt

And what does a survey taken in Mexico have to do with that attitude?

Ahhh, but it says a lot about the provincialism of the citizens of
Mexico...that Mexico immigrants (legal and illegal) owe more to the
nation that has abandoned them than to the nation that offers them a
future.

In all these years, I still can't find an anti-immigrant who can
answer this question. Keep in mind that I am a dual Venezuela-USA
citizen.

What exactly is meant by "loyalty"?

That is a very simple and straightforward question. I assume that the
people on the anti-illegal-immigrant side must have some measure of
brains (not so sure lately, though).

At what point am I being disloyal to either country?

Let's say that Obama (GWB was a more suitable example) order the
Marines to invade Venezuela. Big operation in the Lake Maracaibo,
where most of the oil fields are located.

There will obviously be at least 4 distinct groups:

- US citizens who condone the invasion.
- US citizens who condemn the invasion.

- Venezuelan citizens who condone the invasion.
- Venezuelan citizens who condemn the invasion.

I ask for the 100th. time: Exactly who are the disloyal or traitors
above?

Despite my Boston liberal leaning, I happen to be a firm supporter of
the US military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan under the two
last presidents.

Gee, should I change my opinion? Oh boy, maybe being so newly minted
citizen I don't understand. I my God, perhaps I should change my mind?
Will the migra come and deport me because I support Obama? Oh, wait a
minute, perhaps they will strip me of my citizenship if I DO NOT
support Obama?

I hope the smart ones in the readership get my point (because the the
dumber ones certainly do not).

ANYBODY WHO spies or is a traitor WILL END up in the electric chair or
whatever - Just ask the Rosenbergs.

Can somebody provide ONE example in which the "loyalty" of the person
matters in the current context?

Anyone caught spying on behalf of Mexico WILL end up in jail,
independently or their single, dual or no nationality.

A journalist wrote that we have the honor and pride of being the only
country in the world that during the World Soccer Cup, we all root for
the other teams: the Boston Irish root for the Irish team, and so do
the Italians for the squadra azzurra, or the Brazilians for the Samba
Team, etc.

That is the very reason why the USA is the best county in history, bar
none.

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

I suppose the above will become relevant when and IF the USA and
Mexico engage in war, something that will never happen. Their
destinies are simply intertwined.

Oh, wait a minute -NOT EVEN if they were in war, the above would be
relevant!

Are we kicking out Iraq immigrants who long for the years Saddam was
in power? Are we going to strip Cindy Sheehan (that fuc*ing bitch came
to Venezuela and Chavez gave her funds). How about Jon Steward, who
was booed at the Oscar ceremony on Sept. 12, 2001 (or about)? Keep in
mind that the booers were not exactly conservatives. He lost his job,
but NOT his citizenship. How about that commie Noam Chomsky from MIT?
Are we saying that I cannot say the same things he does? Not that I
would, but I am ENTITLED.

What are we saying exactly? That the Mexicans have a duty to be MORE
American than the natives?

The Mexican immigrant can (and SHOULD) vote in the elections at both
side of the Rio Grande (as long as it is legal). The Italian Americans
do it all the time, and there is no fuss.

Perhaps only whitey can be multi-national?

-Ramon

[liberal]

Post by Ramon F Herrera

Post by martin

CNSNews.com - Adam Brickley - ‎Oct 15, 2009‎
Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans –
including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty
to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/checker.aspx?rsrcID=55496

America needs a total housecleaning!
tt
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices

I suppose the above will become relevant when and IF the USA and
Mexico engage in war, something that will never happen. Their
destinies are simply intertwined.
Oh, wait a minute -NOT EVEN if they were in war, the above would be
relevant!
Are we kicking out Iraq immigrants who long for the years Saddam was
in power? Are we going to strip Cindy Sheehan (that fuc*ing bitch came
to Venezuela and Chavez gave her funds). How about Jon Steward, who
was booed at the Oscar ceremony on Sept. 12, 2001 (or about)? Keep in
mind that the booers were not exactly conservatives. He lost his job,
but NOT his citizenship. How about that commie Noam Chomsky from MIT?
Are we saying that I cannot say the same things he does? Not that I
would, but I am ENTITLED.
What are we saying exactly? That the Mexicans have a duty to be MORE
American than the natives?
The Mexican immigrant can (and SHOULD) vote in the elections at both
side of the Rio Grande (as long as it is legal). The Italian Americans
do it all the time, and there is no fuss.
Perhaps only whitey can be multi-national?
-Ramon

Ummmmm, catch a clue: your "liberal" leanings exist only in your mind.
You're a reichtard. Don't believe me? Define "liberal."