Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse ...
How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly
at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the
space ("screen real estate" as they say in America).
How arrogant of YOU that you think their software becomes your property
just because you use it on your computer. Yes, it's your hardware.
That doesn't change that it is THEIR software.
Good point.
Post by VanguardLHChoices are: use a different web browser with the features you demand or
install extensions to add features that you demand.
I would if I could find one. The only one I've found so far that
actually does anything is Show Title Tag, which shows it in the bottom
right corner (and is fragile, i. e. easily closed by accident requiring
tortuous effort to get it back).
Oh, I've just discovered that another one I'd tried that I thought
wasn't working _is_ doing something - "Easy! Show Title Plus". But it
pops up a semi-transparent sub-window over the top left of the actual
page.
Post by VanguardLHI bet you think you own the land on which sits your house. Once the
mortage is paid, yes, you own the house. You never own the land. Just
stop making your property tax and eventually the gov't will seize
everything: the land and everything on it (although you could move the
house which is your property).
(We call it council tax here, but I think the principle is similar.) As
it happens I don't own the land anyway: I live in a park home (which I
think you might call a trailer and even in UK most people call a mobile
home, though it's anything but - it's more like a square bungalow, and
connected to mains electric, water, gas, and drainage); I own the home
but not the land, for which I pay rent (as well as my council tax).
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Post by VanguardLHOops, I was confusing with a feature in Firefox.
OK, easily done.
Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab
management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google
Except I don't want to see all their titles, just the one of the tab I
have open. Which I can in Firefox (the version I use anyway) - in the
title bar. I've just checked - the same applies to the IE (11) I have on
here, though I never use that. So it's only Chrome (out of those three,
anyway) that's different.
Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond
what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of
extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't
I wouldn't consider using something which is a default Windows feature
an "extra feature", but I accept we're not going to agree on that (-:.
Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox
(and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ...
Extensions are even more ubiquitous with Google Chrome. Features in
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Post by VanguardLHThose are the only ones that I installed for features in Firefox that I
wanted in Google Chrome. Although I haven't trialed it, seems Vivaldi
I haven't installed much in Chrome, as I consider it very much my
secondary browser, just to be used for pages that won't load properly in
my old Firefox. (Which I stick to because Firefox itself keeps, OK
adding new things, but making more difficult to access - and eventually
removing, or at least removing control of - things I am used to having
access to.)
Post by VanguardLH(another Chromium variant) has lots of user-configurable options and
lets you adjust its chrome how you want. However, I still consider
Vivaldi web browser a beta product despite the author said it is
released.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vivaldi+web+browser
Thanks, but if _you_ consider it a work-in-progress, I probably would
too. (And I bet it doesn't show the title bar!)
Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long
enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a
large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and
restore: you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation
when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or
between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar,
_with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it
with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I
have blue title bars.)
Sounds more like a painting bug, like the hover-on-tab string is
momentarily appearing. Maybe it takes a slower computer than I have
No, it's a real title bar, just like the ones on all my other Windows
(blue for me, as I have a classic non-aero theme).
Post by VanguardLHalthough mine is pretty old (circa 2009, Intel Core 2 quad, Acer mobo).
I cannot reproduce what you describe. Maybe some add-on is slowing the
close of the window.
This is a four apparent (I think two real) core laptop, so maybe a
little faster than yours, but I still see it. I tried to do a screen
grab, but couldn't - I think it's more that the
maximise/minimise/restore animation locks out the PrtSc key rather than
me not being able to press it in time.
You might be right about an extension slowing it, though - I have 8,
though wouldn't have _thought_ any of them would affect
minimise/maximise time (I'd have thought that was part of Windows), but
that could be it. (Or it could be the theme. Yes, I've just tried
changing to the default Aero theme: indeed, under that, I can't see an
_obvious_ title bar appearing during minimise/restore [though it might
still be doing so but being semi-transparent is harder to see].)
Post by VanguardLHhttp://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com/
That wraps to 2 lines when I hover the mouse over the tab. Maximize and
(Doesn't for me, but that may be due to the font size I have set for
tooltips [8] or screen width [1366 to match the hardware].) I thought
you'd made that up - I wasn't expecting it to be a real website! (Out of
curiosity, I tried it in Firefox and IE: they show it in their title
bar, but truncated [... in Firefox, - in IE].)
Post by VanguardLHMinimize do not let me see a "ghost" title bar. However, it's a tough
case to reproduce. Rarely do I see a ghost of the titlebar when
changing window size for Firefox. I've yet to see it for Google Chrome.
I can see what you describe in Firefox; however, Firefox has the option
to show a title bar. No such option in Google Chrome.
Many windows call system APIs for standard windows controls. Google
Chrome uses its own custom code and does not use any standard Windows
GUI controls. I suspect Google is trying to keep the feature set the
same across all OS platforms. Other web browser adds features that are
And I understand that desire. Although I think Mac, for example, has
title bars; not sure about Linux by default, and I suspect they probably
try to minimise such things on 'phones. I'd have thought they'd let the
standard Windows bar appear, with their custom UI inside that, but I
understand them not having; I'd just have thought they might leave an
_option_ to have it back though.
Post by VanguardLHWindows specific but then those features are missing when the web
browser has to run under a different OS that doesn't have the same
windowing controls. You'll need to find a different Chromium variant
with all the features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is
not something you will tolerate).
I'd tolerate - by this stage, even welcome - one that gave me the
standard Windows title bar back. (Googling shows that [a] I am far from
alone in wanting this, [b] there doesn't _seem_ to be one. But I grant I
could easily not have found it if there is.)
Post by VanguardLHPost by J. P. Gilliver (John)Tabs Outliner
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmaml
biijnphhppkpkmkl
Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a
learning curve than for other tab managers.
Toby
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toby-for-chrome/hddnkoipeenegf
oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip
Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner.
Tabli
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabli/igeehkedfibbnhbfponhjjpl
pkeomghi
Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles.
Might be what you're looking for.
No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the
title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to
ask?
You seem to have focused only on my last suggestion. They weren't
listed in any particular order, especially because they behave
differently. Why won't Tabs Outliner give you want you want, and more?
I did look at all the descriptions you gave, but they looked as if
they'd give me _too much_ - I just want to see the title of the page I'm
currently viewing, (a) without having to press a button to get at it,
(b) _without_ seeing the titles of _all_ the tabs I have open.
Post by VanguardLHTabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there as
you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the following
Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to display the
tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner. Hell, that means Tabs Outliner gives
you not only a permanent title listing of the selected tab but for ALL
your tabs. Tabs Outliner is not momentary. You want a title bar that
is permanent but only for the selected tab. Tabs Outliner is a titlebar
on mega steroids that shows you the current tab's title and the title
for all the other tabs, too.
http://youtu.be/OqjcrfKjobY
I've now viewed the video (well, the first two minutes anyway), though
from your description of "its own window" I'd expected what I saw. It is
as you say a title bar on mega steroids - but I don't want another
(quite large!) window opening that shows the title of every tab I have
open, I just want to see the title of the one I'm looking at! I'd say
"is that too much to ask", but clearly it is.
Post by VanguardLHIt's up to you to find an extension, if available, that gives the
feature you want that Google does not include in their cross-platform
web browser. Or look at other Chromium variants. They're different
because they offer different features.
I'll just live with it; that "Easy! Show Title Plus" will do, or indeed
just the hover over the tab thing. I've had a _reasonable_ look for
extensions that do what I want (and not really found any); I don't want
to go looking for other browsers/variants - I want to actually use the
computer for actually doing things more these days, less for playing
with it as much as I used to like doing. I just thought I'd ask in case
anyone _did_ know of an easy way (extension if I must, ideally setting)
that did what I want, but it seems not. (Though as I said I'm far from
alone in wanting it - or thinking it's not a big ask! -, it seems.)
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Post by VanguardLHAnd developers will code how they wish. Instead of using a native
workaround, you choose to be lazy. Okay, but then you already realize
you're piling everything into the stew instead of eating steak and
potatos separately. C'est la vie.
_You_ said you'd let up to 20 tabs accumulate before opening another
Chrome window, so you are eating stew too (-:.
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Post by VanguardLHBecause tabs don't wrap to another line (something TabMix Plus added to
Firefox but got killed in the Quantum release). So you need to supplant
the changing tab size with something that gives you a text list showing
longer strings hence the need for an extension to add what you want in
the web browser that isn't there natively, or see if a different web
browser with a different feature set suits you better (e.g., Vivaldi).
No, I don't want a list; I only want to see one! Like the main window: I
don't want to have visible, thumbnails of all the pages I have tabs open
for: when I select a different tab, I see the web page under it, and
lose sight of the web page under the tab I previously had selected. I
Post by VanguardLHNo one here will re-code Chromium for just your title bar requirement.
Google Chrome uses its own windowing code instead of using standard
windowing controls via Windows API calls (so it can be cross-platform).
They chose to minimize the chrome. They chose NOT to add a title bar or
provide an option to add one (they don't want anyone corrupting their
chrome which is a security and malware issue). Use as-is, try some
extensions, or try a different web browser. There are lots of choices.
Well, I see it as they chose to _remove_ a standard Windows feature,
(that nearly all the other software I use has, though some don't make
much use of it), rather than choosing _not to add_ it. I accept that
these are different interpretations, probably both valid. _If_ there's
an extension that gives me it back, I'll gladly install it!
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