Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillSomeone needs to get out there and tell Anderson that ave. mean income / hr worked is $70 - $90 / hr every time he opens his mouth on gun control or culture wars.
you cannot get the media to quite lying.
What are you saying?
We can't even get them onto economic issues!
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillNot only can you get them to quit lying, it's very difficult for them to come up with new/substitute lies.
They are very easy to monkey wrench, the easiest led of the 3 legged stool to kick out.
When was the last time you heard "two vibrant political parties . . .?"
tRUMP played a role too but there's more to it than that.
as soon as the election is over, you will start to hear it again. bret,
You think the legacy media will be cheering President tRUMP as evidence of a wonderful vibrant two party system?
Even if tRUMP loses to HRC [optimum scenario] he will have schlonged out the legacy media leg as well as the GOP leg of the 3 legged stool.
The legacy media are going to look pretty silly gushing "two vibrant political parties" when there is only one.
Post by nickname unavailableyou are simply pissed that they lie.
You are projecting. I'm quite pleased the oligarchy is finally coming down as perdicted by Tocqueville.
I'm _worried_ that it may come down on me as the exact path of the debris is hard to predict.
Even controlled demolitions experts stand back some distance and this is _no_ controlled demo.
People get upset when something happens they didn't expect. Had you read Tocqueville you would know what's happening and would be more worried than upset.
Post by nickname unavailablebut if propaganda, advertising, and lying never worked, then no one would ever use them.
It's getting dramatically much less effective. Of the millions on Ebay not one single soul will try anything cute.
Ain't nothing quite like freedom of speech.
Post by nickname unavailableon top of that, the supreme court has ruled its legal.
not only what you are doing is right, but breaking up the six huge multi-national corporations that own 90% of the media, were to be broken up into thousands of tiny pieces, re-regulated, and re-institute the fairness doctrine, and you will have a one two three punch.
You still have chronological issues.
When you saute onions do you chop up the onions before or after you put them in the pan?
Or "chopping them in the pan" would be more analogous.
Post by nickname unavailabletill then, do what you have to do.
otherwise the lies will keep on coming,
Just ridicule the 0.1% lies in front of _all_ Democrats.
The 45% who supported the Bern will then snicker the legacy media Dems now in power out of power.
With the Harvard/Princeton approach you always see progress.
If you try to gloss over the _precondition_ step you always lose.
You have no idea how much they love to see you flailing out helplessly.
Post by nickname unavailableas fast as you can refute them.
They have a very tough row. Establishing a jerryspringer is very cumbersome and takes years and years of effort.
Often these can be mocked out of existence with a single email.
Ever wonder why Terri and Anderson now spend so much time attacking popular government politicians for not being pro gay before it was popular?
It's because they have no culture war to replace it. They are totally screwed and they know it.
From that alone you know the oligarchy is coming down.
The time for flailing out is over. You need to be looking for cover from the debris.
Post by nickname unavailablethey will come anyways, but by then we will have some help refuting them.
We need ideas, not official help.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableits been done since the beginning of our country. however, you can shame them like what you want to do, and the most effective way is to make sure we have 1000's of independent outlets, not six. plus we can restore the fairness doctrine.
We have millions on line.
yes we do. i was on the front lines against clinton in the 1990's, i warned any american that would listen, that he was selling us out to fascism.
you have one chance, and one chance only, get sanders in. otherwise if its hillary, most likely it will end in WWIII, if its trump, it will be a unknown.
Looking at the constraint of trillions getting shifted from the rich to the poor _no matter who or what_ it may be difficult for anyone to avoid a lot of casualties.
Sanders may be able to reduce it as much as possible but if you think tRUMP will be anything other than a dictator, you haven't read Tocqueville.
Even Ryan was tipped off that tRUMP is heading the dictatorship route.
Post by nickname unavailableand most of americas youth, despise the clintons, like the u.k.'s youth despised thatcher. they are in ever larger numbers, saying if its hillary, we will vote trump.
you simply are blind to what the clintons did to america.
You simply do not understand how democracy works.
Read Tocqueville and you know that you are "confusing cause and effect" that the "American democracy doesn't thrive because the elected officials. It thrives because the magistrates are elective."
The Big Media Big Lie that politicians cause change pre existed your entire life. It was grandfathered into your world view without your knowledge so you accept it unquestioningly.
Politicians, like conspiracy theories, no matter how evil or wonderful, simply have very little impact on policy in a democratic country. (Buffet said something similar about the impact of big disasters like Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11, etc. on his stock picking. No effect whatsoever.)
Now maybe you can argue that the U. S. isn't democratic but then you have an even larger problem on your hands, a problem that you consider too large to solve so you choose to ignore it or worse discombobulate altogether waiting for the Great Rapture Disaster that Causes All Americans To Agree With You.
Again you keep repeating over and over that Bill Clinton is far worse than an extra super duper Hitler Stalin Pol Pot combo etc. but if you had read Tocqueville you would know it a moot issue.
Who do you _think_ I should listen to?
A political scientist whose brilliance is unquestioned?
Or someone is making the very same mistake the brilliant political scientist _specifically_ identified as an error.
And he did it back in President Jackson's America _before_ the robber barons consolidated control of the media.
You indulge in the fantasy you aren't playing wack a mole but that's exactly what happened when you declared victory over tossing Wasserman-Shultz.
I predicted your glee would be short lived. Did you listen? NoooOOOOoooo.
Same with your attacks on legacy media Democrats.
Just more wack a mole which you'd know is wack a mole if you read Tocqueville.
Post by nickname unavailableit will be almost impossible to get them to vote for hillary, besides the tens of millions that lost their middle class jobs, homes, wealth and pensions, they already live in terror.
Far worse is her "I'm making the 'tough choice' for you to live worse" campaign.
That is far worse than anything mis attributed to Marie Antoinette.
And Tocqueville could have explained that as well:
Aristocracy is better than despotism.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe reason why we regulated in the first place, was because market concentration leads to this. certain portions of the media has always lied. but we always had other voices to refute, we lost those under bill clinton.
Free marketry may be 100% dependent on free speech but that doesn't mean they are one and the same.
You can support banking regs., tariffs, taxes all you want yet still have no regulations on speech.
In fact, the way to get regulations on commerce is to eliminate regulations on speech.
You as well a "libertarians" make the same big error here and this may be yet another example where you have failed to eliminate another legacy media Big Lie.
yet regulating markets give us free speech.
It's easy to see that's a great absurdity.
Free speech is always the precondition.
This isn't merely a scientific fact.
It's a self evident truth.
If you fail to fully grasp the significance of this all important truth you'll never do anything in politics.
Post by nickname unavailableother wise concentrated markets drown out the little guys.
When the marketplace is of ideas, then concentration can have the reverse effect and _help_ the little guy.
This is another big lie put out by the legacy media, one that is not just rebuttaled by Tocqueville in 1833, but was the main theme of the 1930s movie _Wizard of Oz_.
Maslow tried to fight back a few years later with his propaganda pyramid later but with tRUMP now at the apex of the pyramid, shill media are carefully stepping around Maslow.
You think our job is difficult? You would die laughing if you could see the shill media carefully stepping around all their own past "clutter."
Post by nickname unavailablethe founders knew this well. its why we regulate in the first place.
They never believed in regulating speech. They were sophisticated enough to know that Citizens United was a red herring that only is effective as a distraction from how democracy works.
Either you believe ideas prevail over spam or you don't believe in democracy, you don't know what democracy is and how it works.
There is no 3rd choice.
You would know this if you read T.
Post by nickname unavailablewe no longer have free speech.
What can you not post here?
Maybe you mean _your_ political speech has no effect.
Of course your speech has no effect.
You never made the effort to free yourself from the Big Media Big Lies.
Post by nickname unavailablewe have concentrated markets.
Concentrated markets in products and services.
Speech is free.
Post by nickname unavailablewe are not asking to regulate speech, we are asking for lots of different voices, and a chance to refute the lies.
The problem isn't that they can put out so many new lies so fast.
They cannot. The machinery of the shilldom is too clunky.
The problem is they have a few Big Old Lies that were grandfathered in before every potential progressive alive today was born.
Even historians like Ken Burns who should know better believe these big lies.
Even you believe the big old lie that if the studio has carpet on the floor and high priced hookers that they'll somehow prevail over my feed back diagram.
Even the shills themselves don't believe their lies as much as you believe their lies.
Post by nickname unavailableyou are arguing for something that the concentrated market will simply ignore.
You sound like a libertarian trying to confound marketry with speech, i.e., Rothbard tried to claim they were correlative.
Even Ayn Rand was bright enough to attack a looneytarian, Coase, for trying to treat the marketplace in ideas on an equal footing with the market place in goods and services.
20 years ago I offered $50 for any quote to that effect. Someone from the Bay Area came through and I paid up.
The other "libertarians" were utterly destroyed by Rand, hissing "he's too stupid to live."
They wanted to kill they guy for merely proffering a quote for $50, a free market free trade.
I still have the M.O. receipt.
Post by nickname unavailablethe reason why we no longer hear about two vibrant parties, because our system is collapsing, a by product of a oligarchy, oligarchies are the product of concentration.
The vibrant party Big Lie editorial had been running at least 2X a month which is why it attracted my attention. When media fanny is that exposed it is dereliction of duty as a citizen not to pop it. The fax went out April 2015 several months before tRUMP made an even bigger mockery of the political system than the jerry springer media.
After decades of the vibrant party Big Lie my fax put an end to it _immediately_.
Sound like I'm a lying braggart? You should from your world view which holds the little guy is always powerless against any studio or news room with plush carpet on the floor and over priced hookers.
If you want confirmation go to you state party headquarters and you'll find someone who remembers it.
Feel free to distance yourself. Just say "this guy I've been chatting with is out there bragging that he put an end to that formulaic op ed that extols our healthy political parties with a single mass fax to all state party headquarters 14 months ago. He claims he got just about every state so you should have a copy. His signature is that feedback diagram from controls theory. Yea, that guy. You know anything about this?"
Ask that person why that particular Big Lie is now on the ash heap of history.
Krugman used it twice again (that I know of) after April 2015 to attack the "establishment press" but that just validates the power of the idea over an army of shills.
I was so sure the David & Goliath story was allegory for ideas and free speech I asked an Orthodox Jew about this. He said that, unlike English, there is no wiggle room in Hebrew. There is no allegory.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailabletoday, all you hear are the voices of the 6 large corporation's that own 90% of all media outlets in america. to understand the depth of the problem, you just need to look at any other deregulated market in america.
And yet they are losing.
We can speed this process up.
we sure can. we can do it your way, and my way.
Rip down the gate.
_After_ that is done you can get right to work on the other side of the gate.
But not one second earlier.
no one is holding you back.
You might want to join in on the fun.
Post by nickname unavailablei have done a good job in my own way.
Poor getting poorer.
Rich getting richer.
HRC now ahead of tRUMP by 8 pts and rising.
She'll pass trade agreements and her patriotic quagmires will be cheered as a seminal event by the legacy media because she'll be the first woman president to bomb women and children.
If you do any more "good work" we'll all be dead.
Your "good work" is like John Kerry's "good campaign."
If you focus on the first step, you'll always win. You'll always be going in the right direction.
If you get ahead of yourself, you'll always lose, always be going in the wrong direction.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillMaybe you know of some more gate keepers but right now all the gates are locked and we only need to take out one gate.
Be like Bert and just focus on the gate.
bernie won at least 20 states, and may yet win california,
Even more, he's the most popular candidate in the only election that matters, the one in the constitution:
The general election.
We slackers sat on our fannies so long a socialism became the most popular political POV in America before we ripped down the gate so he could become president.
We should have had the gate wide open years ago.
Post by nickname unavailableand the legacy media says bernie who?
and 90% of voters say "NY Times who?"
What we have is something like a Rayleigh-Taylor, a high density layer of fluid resting on top of a 10X thicker layer of low density fluid.
This ain't gonna last which is why after over 3 decades I've suddenly abandoned all efforts to level wealth. The tide can move in on it's own.
Right now it's just interesting watching the high density fluid slip down under the low density fluid and the low density fluid rise to the top.
There should be some mixing, of course, but we'll still get some really cool visuals.
Even if we all get killed in the process.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableyou can even create a documentary after the fact, on how you helped take them down.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableback in FDR's day, you heard other voices to offset the lies.
The robber barons were so powerful they brainwashed the public and Congress that the Fed should control interest rates in the 1914 banking acts.
This was a gross abdication of duties "regulating the value of money" but not a peep then or now.
this is true.
It's also 8 decades pre Clinton.
the reason why the telecommunications act, and the fairness doctrine was instituted in the first place, was because the new dealers saw the way it was going, and wanted to stop it.
I don't deny that at that time something like that was the best they could do.
I also certainly see the problem of simply removing it w/o educating the public on how to use free speech on their _own_ as the free people of the U. S. did automatically back as late as the 19th Century.
Most posters here still do not know how to use free speech.
The media aren't going to educate the public. Instead, at least as recently as the late 1990s, they were claiming everyone you met on the internet was not a good looking fireman but a rapist. It was such a lame attempt to fight free speech no one even remembers it now.
More recently NPR has been trying to claim the opposite, that everyone online was sincere virtuous and educated, another ridiculous spin except it's the ol' "flatter your enemies if you can't beat 'em."
Anyway _we_ have to do the educating and we need to do it ASAP.
The fastest way to do it is to highlight all the Big Lies grandfathered in over decades.
Tocqueville makes this easy.
Post by nickname unavailableand they were right, because as soon as clinton deregulated the market, what happened?
Americans went socialist.
Post by nickname unavailablewhy there was a orgy of take overs and buy out till there was only six huge transnationals that own 90% of all media outlets, and now control almost all political and economic discussions in america. they set the agenda. you are trying to clean up the clintons dirty deeds bret.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethere is no way to totally take down all of the lies. have you ever read what the media said about jefferson? the difference is that we had 1000's of outlets then, not six.
We have millions today. They just don't know their strength.
yes the internet for the time being, means millions. and the legacy media really has no real power anymore.
Enough to keep "neo liberals" in the White House for 4 more years.
Post by nickname unavailablethe real problem is the clinton wing of the democratic party, the legacy media, and the ones who pay them, the oligarchy.
You'll never be able to realize that glorious day when you get to personally have Clinton drawn and quartered unless you _first_ discredit the legacy media.
You want to gloss over this pecking order by claiming it's ok to peel the onions while they are in the pan.
No one who read Tocqueville would do it any other way:
The onions are chopped _first_, _then_ you add them to the pan.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablebill took that all away.
that is how unregulated markets work, they get dominated by a few. bad money drives out good money, bad ideas drive out good ideas. the media is no different.
If the power of free speech was like a free market Sanders would still be an unknown senator from VT.
but bad money and bad ideas drove him out.
The 10% who still believe the legacy media, all geezers, all Dems, drove him out.
lots of dems voted bernie,
Redo all the primaries today and the _majority_ of Democrats would vote for Sanders.
We're 2/3rd into the Rayleigh-Taylor above.
In fact, we should have stopped calling it an "oligarchy" and started calling it a "Rayleigh-Taylor" several months ago.
Post by nickname unavailablein fact, we now know there was vote rigging. so getting pissed people to vote for hillary, is going to be a real chore.
Like all conspiracy theories those on vote rigging are over blown.
The problem is larger than that.
When I say "larger" this does not mean it is impossible or even difficult to solve.
Come up with the right app and you'll get so rich you'll be a 0.1 percenter.
I guarantee it.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillWhy fight poor rank and file Dems who would be your allies if not for the jerryspringer legacy media?
Notice I never fight legacy media Dems?
The collateral attack of exposing legacy media big lies is so much more effective.
they call you a kook.
Only one nobody here who has no influence over any one or anything.
Few things are 100% guaranteed but one thing is: If you fight the poor it is 100% _guaranteed_ you will never make any money off of it.
Post by nickname unavailablethey will vote hillary over bernie every day.
Because of legacy media Big Lies.
If you fight the poor the rich win.
If you fight the 0.1% media, the poor win.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethey totally ignored him no matter what he said. obama ignored him. now hillary is ignoring him, as i predicted to you.
Long before Sanders I was saying that you need to discredit legacy media _first_ before you can expect a politician to be _able_ to do anything.
Did you listen?
No.
because it will not change hillary.
Who cares? We could have opened the gate for Sanders.
Sanders did his job as best he could.
The slackers are the citizens who dropped the ball when it comes to legacy media big lies.
We should have had the gate open _before_ the majority of Americans, maybe a super majority by now, became socialist.
By November HRC will have unwittingly converted so many to socialism maybe Jill really will become president!
All this is the result of the 1996 deregulation of the media!
Your problem is this is your first Rayleigh-Taylor.
Had we removed all legitimacy from the shill media years ago then there wouldn't be such a visual display.
Post by nickname unavailablei have been spot on every time with each and every one of these neo-liberal democrats bret.
All moot, all as wack a mole as your "victory" punishing Wasserman-Shultz.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe only outlets that are not ignoring him, are the ones who are pointing out to you, what bill did by deregulating the media. they totally understand what bill did to the american democracy, he put it in peril, its so obvious.
Everyone agrees the country has moved away from libertarianism because of alternative media. The current poll numbers of the LP are proof of this because the GOP under tRUMP has tossed the looneytarians.
So whatever effect deregulation had wasn't enough to stop the general shift away from libertarianism.
it did not affect the clinton wing how ever.
A small echo chamber under the sway of Big Lie media.
The Rayleigh Taylor analogue is so good there might be some political equivalent of a turbine we could set up for fun and/or profit.
The tiny one in a beaker is misleading as far as what is possible power wise.
Do _not_ make the common error that there is no money in progressive political activism.
As they said in the excellent bargain basement movie, _The Woman In Red_, "Don't get even, get ahead."
You are still in the mad phase.
We need to be thinking like Rhett joining the Lost Cause "once it was truly lost" [read: to loot the Confederacy].
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillThe summer of 1990 CBS News gush hyped the imPOOORtant flag burner issue every evening for the entire summer to displace free speech on economic issues. Maslow's Pyramid stands democracy on it's head and dates back to WWII. Since the days of the robber barons ("America needs a war" - Hearst) the 0.1% have been paying their shills in Hollywood and the greater media to bamboozle the public 24/7/52, much it with dog whistles or under radar.
all of that is true.
And it's all pre Clinton.
except pre clinton, there were thousands of choices,
Now we have millions of choices.
yes. but it has not changed the clinton wing. even howard dean is about to give up.
As he should as he never saw a political Rayleigh Taylor either.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableand not all of them were gushing as you say. something i noticed changed in the 1990's, including thomas friedman types who would make lots of money, on speaking tours promoting the selling out of america. it happened to coincide with the deregulation of the media.
It didn't change popular opinion which has only gone left.
true, its why the legacy media no longer holds much sway.
That's why it's so easy to tear down the gate.
They have no legitimacy whatsoever.
Not in the constitution.
Not even in basic logic.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableexcept there were voices of reason to offset the propaganda.
Apparently no one heard these voices of reason before Clinton because all these Big Lies were considered "common knowledge" most of the 20th Century.
there will always be lying.
How was the media lying post 1996 any different or more effective pre 1996?
there will always be lies.
Then the 1996 deregulation did absolutely nothing.
Post by nickname unavailablethe difference is, the amount of voices that can be heard. not everyone lies all of the time. not everyone tells the same lies.
What you are upset about it the gate.
It's easy to tear down the gate.
So let's tear down the gate.
Once you are on the other side of the gate you can catch that ebil Bill Clinton and have him drawn and quartered _if_ you can get enough people on your side.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablein my home towns, there are two papers. before clinton one was very conservative, the other very liberal, today, no difference at all, neo-liberal to their core.
Craigs List sucked all revenue from the paper industry that wasn't coming from the 0.1%. Papers are now 100% beholden to the 0.1%. Cheap communications also polarized the establishment media to the right.
You'll see them try to "get it up" every now and then like the WaPo study of Laffer's Curve but it's painful to watch, like someone forced to dig his own grave.
daily letters to the editors in both papers tell them about their failures of embracing neo-liberalism, they are laughing stocks. but, they both became neo-liberal in the 1990's, not in the 2000's.
Yup. Their fannies are enormously exposed.
Your duty is to join in and pop those fannies.
We really need an app to speed things up.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableyou are simply trying to tap dance around the truth. six large transnational corporations own 90% of the media. you take one down, across the street they own the other one, etc. ect. ect.
Yet popular opinion is going left. Apparently it doesn't matter as Tocqueville pointed out.
bingo!
So you finally agree the 1996 deregulation caused no harm whatsoever as far as popular opinion, and indeed may have caused popular opinion to shift left.
This could have easily been predicted by just reading Tocqueville.
Post by nickname unavailablethen we can go after the real problem, the clinton wing of the democratic party.
But the Clintons are for now anyway nice and safe behind the gate of the legacy media.
Don't you want to chop the onions first?
Don't you want to tear down the gate _first_, _then_ have Bill drawn and quartered?
Post by nickname unavailableits leadership, its almost all top down.
Sanders said it was bottom up, but then he probably read _Democracy In America_.
Post by nickname unavailablethen we can re-regulated them.
You need to rip down the gate first, same as the French storming the Bastille.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillObviously the problem isn't popular opinion but the legacy media trying to keep the pitch forks away from official power.
The legacy media have nothing going for them, neither the people nor the truth.
Their fannies are enormously exposed.
The obvious low hanging fruit solution is to poke legacy media fanny with the pitchforks.
This ain't rocket science.
no it is not.
About the best you can do to make this scientific is Rayleigh - Taylor.
Post by nickname unavailableits why hillary is in real trouble,
Which is why she's a moot issue.
Post by nickname unavailablethen trump will do in whats left of the legacy media.
True which is why there's no longer any need to promote any leveling of wealth.
The only concern now is for minority rights.
As usual I'm ahead of everyone else, but instead of 5 decades ahead as far as leveling wealth, it is only 5 months ahead for minority rights.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablefor propaganda to work, the people who employ it, must control the media. the act of 1996 gave it to them. bill was warned, he did it anyways. he knew what the results would be. he could care less. it helped make him rich.
face it bret, deregulation of the media, is like any other deregulation,
"You don't perchance, believe the power of the press is like the power of armies . . . ?"
-- Tocqueville
i believe that the more concentrated a market is, the less democracy and choices you have.
1. millions of voices are online so it is less concentrated. You just want to get your mitts on the levers of power.
Well they were ready for you. They posted an army of shills at the gate to make sure you never have a chance to get your mitts anywhere near their power.
You keep talking about doing all kinds of progressive things simultaneously but it's all a joke as long as you can be stopped at the gate.
Most normal rational people would focus on the gate _until_ they got through somehow.
But not you! You waste your time day dreaming about what to do with the politicians on the other side of the gate when you don't even know how to get through the gate.
2. The "choices" thingy sounds libertarian, mocked by The Onion about the pope coming to the U. S. and converting to being a capitalist because of all the choices for junk food.
3. Confusing markets and speech is also libertarian.
regulating markets is not libertarian.
But the argument that they can be treated the same _is_ libertatian, Rothbard said they are "correlative."
Post by nickname unavailableand the millions of voters ignoring the legacy media, and are voting for trump, are taking down the legacy media.
And probably everything else as well.
Tocqueville's leveling criteria can be satisfied in more ways than merely taxing the rich and giving the money to the poor.
You can increase equality simply by killing everyone. Then everyone is equally dead which is as equal as you can get.
In fact, with tRUMP as president that is exactly what will happen.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailabletrying to get huge entities to behave, that count their profits not in millions, not in billions, but perhaps in tens of billions to behave, is at best, a fools game.
Well they need someone to listen to them.
How is it possible for _anyone_ to take them seriously when their editorial content selection is based upon the theory "Americans aren't interested in money?"
You really _do not_ understand how effective and easy it is to ridicule the shills out of power.
You don't need to be Johnathon Swift to play this game.
no i do not. i have not listened to them in well over a decade or longer.
That's a mistake.
Krugman spend no less than 4 days listening to NPR to determine how long it would take them for their "redo" on OWS.
The Harvard and Princeton profs are driving strategically placed swords into the magicians box from their knowledge of the legacy media big lies.
Post by nickname unavailablei consider them a joke, and attack them when ever possible.
Actually you still believe many of their Big Lies, even more so than the average voter.
Post by nickname unavailableand the millions that supported bernie most likely feel the same way, its why they could care less about the springerization of guns, and are moving over to trump, no matter how scared the legacy media tries to make trump look. hillary looks scarier to us.
Actually HRC isn't even running so she's a moot issue.
Maybe tRUMP really will have her locked up. That would be the only promise tRUMP _could_ keep.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablesince clinton deregulated them, and got rid of the fairness doctrine, they can legally lie, they can legally ignore you, and they can do this without having to provide you with any equal time, and they do not have to worry about another outlet refuting them, because there are just 5 other gigantic multinational corporations, which all have the same goal as them, to make sure america no longer has its own sovereignty.
And yet the country is heading toward it's original esprit general, somewhat to the left of N. Europe.
we shall see. if its hillary,say bye bye.
1. HRC doesn't want to be president and like Gore, would concede twice to get out of the job, and,
2. Even if she did become president she would have very little power to help out the rich.
So you have tRUMP who has no intention of becoming like Hitler or Mussolini yet he'll have no choice but to go down that path.
And you have HRC who has no intention of leveling wealth but that will happen on her watch no matter what she tries.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableif you really want to go after them go after their license's. its clear they are violating them.
but i bet bill protected them in that arena to.
you are simply trying to skip the real issues here bret.
The real issue is that the power of the press depends on the personality of the speaker, not the number or if they have nice carpet on the floor of their studio.
we license drivers for a reason, responsibility.
But any restriction on speech contradicts the most basic assumptions on democracy.
"The freedom of the press and the sovereignty of the people are, therefore, entirely correlative . . ."
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableit ends in market concentration, which makes things even worse than before the deregulation.
you are simply outraged, as i am, that they can lie, but its legal.
You wouldn't be outraged if you knew how to call them on their Big Lies.
That's the difference between us.
call them out, show me how.
When was the last time you heard "two vibrant political parties, each with it's own legitimate vision . . . .?"
and after the election, we will hear that again.
Why would the media want to legitimize tRUMP by claiming he was the product of a healthy political party?
Post by nickname unavailablebesides in my eyes, that is not a game changer.
The 0.1% think it is critically important to gush hype horse race elections between vibrant political parties and the reason is obvious:
They want you goobers to be satisfied that you need to be satisfied living in such a vibrant democracy where the rich get richer and the poor poorer. (The military stays in Afghanistan for the same reason. So the troops will be happy with their lot back home.)
But I agree, it is only one big lie.
We have some work to do.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablei am waiting. i want to see you do it. i want to see the results with my own eyes.
Just take the feedback diagram by my name down to your state party headquarters and find someone who has been there awhile.
If you aren't sure what will happen distance yourself a little, feign ignorance, etc.
we will see how close this election really will be.
Email your own state party headquarters and you'll get a clue that the power of the press doesn't depend on the size of the press.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablebut to give them complete control of the market place, is pure insanity, and most likely unconstitutional, and a crime against the american people.
Most normal people properly reject it as noise.
you forgot why we regulate in the first place.
We don't regulate speech, just taxes, tariffs, trade, etc.
we give the little guys free speech in the market place, other wise concentrated markets drown out free speech.
That's why most Americans are now socialists.
Everyone has free speech.
Two decades ago alt.libertarian was full of hope that the internet was going to cause libertaria to finally break out.
I sent so much libertarian fanny sailing all over the place, dodging issues, the chat group is now basically dead.
All this could have been predicted by reading Tocqueville.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablemy gut tells me you still think bill was a great president.
That's because you've been springerized, yet another indicator you are submerged in / unaware of legacy media tactics.
Political science tells us politicians don't matter.
The situation matters.
right man right time, wrong man, right time.
Being right on an issue is not good enough.
You must advance the right issue at the right time. Bide your time until some fanny gets exposed. If you want Clinton drawn and quartered, the shrewd thing to do is keep quiet about it. Don't show your hand or you'll never get past the gate and HRC will passing free trade agreements and deregulating banksters until 2025.
This was true about NSA spying. Decades ago I knew the rich knew the NSA worked with the IRS. One year before Snowden I posted to misc.legal about "laundering" evidence so it could not be detected in court. One response was that the "fruit of the poison tree" violated the 4th Amendment.
I never directly mentioned NSA spying until after Snowden and even now don't hype it a lot.
It's not nearly as important as ignorance of how to use free speech.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablesorry, he is the most responsible for this mess.
You might not like NAFTA, etc. but the Big Media Big Lies were all in place long before Bill Clinton.
but they were put into place by him.
You've never given even one example of a Big Media Big Lie, that is, some nonsense about democracy that everyone "just knows" is the truth.
Post by nickname unavailableno one else could have done it.
The policy changes would have happened regardless of who was elected and even worse, it'll happen every time on a 50 year cycle basis.
Post by nickname unavailablereagan and bush tried, they were turned down, but not clinton, he did it. he should take responsibility.
in fact, if he escapes, you will never get people to stop being enraged.
You keep discussing policy when the issue is 0.1% media big lies.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableyou should be outraged at bill clinton, i know i am.
It's absurd to be outraged at someone who did not even exist when most of the Big Lies were grandfathered in.
lies will always be with us. old wives tales, etc. but six huge entities control almost all policy discussions in america.
What you mean is the liberal poor majority has been excluded from the _official_ [0.1%] political debate.
That wouldn't last long even w/o tRUMP.
trump is a unknown.
The situation is known very well. The legacy media made a farce of democracy for decades and now we will get the one and only alternative to democracy:
dictatorship.
Post by nickname unavailablebut getting millions to vote for hillary, those are enraged people, forget about it.
It'll be hard to get her "live worse" campaign to work.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableso quite trying to blame others for his crimes.
You are so anxious/desperate to get to point C you keep trying to ignore the basics of how democracy and free speech work.
It's like you have a good court case on the merits but you want to ignore or rush the formalities, the rules of court, so you lose a good case.
You have to go to Point B _first_.
You have wasted decades trying to take short cuts to Point C. None of these short cuts work.
Smallparty, vilification and now voting for a candidate who wants to censor his own political party's leaders to the extent even they are suggesting he's a dictator, something any Tocqueville scholar could have.
How does voting for a censor help you to use free speech to spread the truth?
clinton censored bernie.
Bill Clinton said that Sanders "had a right to stay in the race."
in public.
Which is all that is necessary for Sanders to point to to stay in the race.
Maybe Bill knew the media would do HRC's dirty work for her?
That just points to the same solution:
Run the legacy media out of politics.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillThe 0.1% media were the ones giving Sanders the bum's rush (not that that represents even a tiny fraction of the media Big Lies you must first debunk to get anywhere).
From your irrational hatred of Clinton it is clear you have fallen prey to the very same big lies put out by the media that would be readily debunked by Tocqueville.
then the hatred of hitler or pinochet is irrational correct?
Nietzsche predicted the wars of the 20th Century before Hitler was even born.
You are confusing cause and effect again.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillHow does voting for a censor help you to use free speech to spread the truth?
i do not know how voting for hillary will help my free speech.
Is Hillary trying to censor anyone?
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailabletrump is a unknown, he is probably just as bad as hillary.
This is why situations matter more than personalities.
The 0.1% through their minions in the media have undermined, made a farce of democracy for decades and now everyone is stunned facing a crazy jingoistic dictatorship.
that is why so many will not vote for hillary.
And still get the same result.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablebut the clintons have made war on hundreds of millions, killed or staved millions, stripped america of its middle class and sovereignty, is the most responsible for the rise of the oligarchy,
And they managed to do all this without introducing any new Big Lies to the American conscious, or for that matter subconscious.
Either that or something is going on.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still waiting for them _new_ Big Lies.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableand you are worried about trump?
Anyone who isn't worried about tRUMP never read Tocqueville.
trump is very worrisome. but hillary is a known.
The situation was known before tRUMP. It's absurd to think tRUMP or voting for tRUMP will change the situation.
Post by nickname unavailableand is a war monger. she will go flat out into war mode the minute she wins. watch out russia, she will attack you in a new york minute.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablewhen or if hillary wins, you will see the cabinet full of bushs neo-cons, and more and more war.
This is why situations matter more than personalities.
There _will_ be blowback.
there already is. the diwmwit in the white house that put her in the state department, then let her stack the department with bush neo-cons, just tried to force the train wreck into bombing russia in syria.
the clinton wing is beyond scary, its why tens of millions are more scared of her, than trump.
Obama may be the one who has buyers remorse now!
According to your own puppet theory, if Obama's Muslim paymasters want to save their fannies they better pressure Obama into supporting Sanders!
This may be the Bern's opportunity!
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablein fact, the neo-cons have endorsed her, and you are worried about trump?
tRUMP thinks his own followers are losers and has admitted that.
that does not refute the fact that bushs neo-cons have endorsed hillary.
The situation is bleak, the result of decades of no one popping legacy media Big Lies.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablewhen the orlando shooting happened, both hillary and trump said at the same time, we will bomb isis over this, and you think there is a difference?
Obama may be the one with buyer's remorse now.
7 years, and how many months later. i predicted this. i do not feel sorry for someone this stupid, he deserves it. i sure hope history judges he harshly.
Still it may be opportunity for Sanders.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillDo not give up on the Bern just yet.
i have not. but the train wreck is protecting her.
He seems to be less than enthused.
Never saw a lame duck this lame before.
If Obama visited me in 1996 I might brag about it like claiming I surfed Nazarre without mentioning it was flat.
Post by nickname unavailablethat is why no matter how much of a mess he has made of it, he deserves it.
she should be in jail right now, the train wreck is keeping her out.
The dictator tRUMP will put a lot of people in concentration camps, maybe even HRC.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableby voting for hillary, you will be sealing the fate of our democracy. i will have none of that.
HRC and in fact the 0.1% will have very little power, even if elected on her "live worse" campaign.
its because its to late, the die is cast. the worlds economy is shot. and the ones who instituted this horrible mess, will pay a price, if not, we will sink into endless revenge and violence.
we must have a court that broadcasts world wide, the investigations of all of the policies that impoverished and enslaved the world that came out of the 1990's on wards. a wold wide nuremberg trails.
You cannot even get past the legacy media gate keepers.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe youth will not vote for her, its why trump is quickly gaining on her. and once the mania over the shooting ebbs, trump will bring out the big guns on the economy, and the economy is imploding.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailabletake this head on, to get the lies debunked and refuted,
That's what the Harvard Prof. did when he published his the perceptions on disparity of wealth study which exposed media fanny on their "Americans aren't interested in money" Big Lie.
That's what the Princeton Prof. did when he uses stats to prove the "horse race" polls were Big Lies.
You think those 2 are all of the Big Lies? You think Ivy League profs should have all the fun?
If you have trouble identifying more Big Lies just read Tocqueville. He'll give you scores more of similar magnitude as far as historical revisionism is concerned.
yet that is what bernie ran on, and they still ignored him.
They 0.1% aren't going to just let you just get your mitts on power just because the majority want it.
That's why you need to send yuge bloody chunks of media fanny sailing all over the place _first_.
he did. his supporters did.
Not nearly enough.
They are easy enough to mock and ridicule yet Sanders would merely disagree with them.
Post by nickname unavailablethey just ignored him, and they will keep ignoring his type. they make their money advertising b1-bombers.
And the public ignores them.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe fairness doctrine would not have allowed them to get away with that. ask bill why he gave all of that power over to the oligarchs?
Your "vengeance is mine" crusade will be on hold until you _first_ finish off the influence of the legacy media.
This is happening now but had we worked faster we could have avoided tRUMP bombing Mecca.
the die was cast when bill clinton got into power. you can blame the train wreck, he made no attempt to fix this, in fact, he made it worse.
And Clinton managed to do all this without introducing one new Big Lie!
No wonder you are always astounded by Clinton's magical powers!
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillHere again, you can't seem to get pecking order right.
If the propaganda machine is so very effective working against most or all your interests, why would it allow you to pass regulations against them on their speech?
You need to come up with an action plan that isn't based on mutually contradictory assumptions.
(This is where Political Action Shark Tank would really work.)
there can be no reforms till we collapse.
Now you have abandoned your theory based on contradictory assumptions for something like The Rapture Disaster where if people are just punished enough like the nazis in WWII they'll shape up and fly right.
no, i just know economic history. sarkozy and merkel knew it also. when they are down, that is the time to put your foot on their throat. if you don't, it will end badly.
You still believe it'll cause 'em to shape up and fly right.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablei do not quote conservatives much, because of their stupidity. but sarkozy and merkel were right for once, when they said to the train wreck, put your foot on their throats now, they are flat on their backs, we can re-regulate them now, and throw many of them in jail for their crimes. of course the train wreck refused and bailed them out again. history is rife with no reforms till the who shebang collapses. this time will be no different.
you can try to embarrass them into re-regulation, or telling the truth, good luck with that.
It seems like it'll take a little longer but you can discredit the legacy media on their big lies.
Then they have no fig leaf to justify their despotism.
they will jut keep on lying,
Which will not work because everyone knows their big lies.
Post by nickname unavailableand advertising for f-18 fighter planes.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableget other sources back into the media.
The sources are in the library and on line. It costs nothing to expose media fanny in front of the entire country.
More powerful that any Harvard or Princeton study is applying the "jerryspringer" term to broadcast media.
Suck up some courage and use it like a whip and you can single handedly shelve the TPP.
Same with the feedback diagram.
i will be watching with baited breath.
Other than dithering between contradictory assumption theories and The Great Rapture Disaster That Rises Above the Punkin Patch Punishing Americans Until We Shape Up and Fly Right, you obviously have no coherent action plan of your own.
Take the feedback diagram to state party headquarters and talk to someone who has been there a couple decades.
we used to have a media review board in my state, the media just ignored them in the 2000's, now they are gone.
Just more power for the few of us who still lampoon the media.
At least email state party headquarters.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillThe _only_ way _anyone_ could fail to notice all these scores of Really Big Lies pre Clinton is to have failed to have read Tocqueville.
how can you regulate someone to tell the truth,
Now you need to back up and ask, "Who decides the truth?"
Only one answer: A dictator.
then you will never get the truth.
There is no _official_ truth.
Every wing nut is free to believe anything.
that is why the lies will never end.
Millions on Ebay yet not one single soul will try any scam.
Why do you think politics will be any different?
Post by nickname unavailablewe just need lots of voices out there.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableit will depend on how many outlets we have. that will help get more ideas out there.
Ideas have a way of getting past the tread of mighty armies.
yes.
Actually everything else is moot when it comes to progress.
Ideas are the _only_ thing that matter.
Post by nickname unavailablebut concentrated markets drown out the little guys.
If you had read Tocqueville you'd know the power of the press is actually _increased_ by the lone little guy speaker.
You would know this if you contacted state party headquarters.
Post by nickname unavailablewho knows what the little guys can come up with.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablein a country where we have free speech?
You can't. The best that can be done is to put out the truth.
You think this is more difficult than what it is because you never read Tocqueville on "Freedom of the Press."
i do not have to. i watched the press go from freedom, to concentration, what a difference.
A major political party has dumped the libertarians and the majority now want a socialist president.
Is that what you meant?
but they are going to get hillary or trump.
Rayleigh Taylor instability.
This will not last and they know it.
Ever watch those Sat. morning cartoons where they put the bad guy in front of the firing squad and the last request is a cigar so the bad guy gets the biggest cigar he can find?
That's our legacy media today.
Post by nickname unavailableit will be a horse race for sure.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablewhy you make sure the market place has all sorts of different voices, so that consumers of news, can get different points of view.
It's all out there now and it is working.
Does it need to be sped up?
Sure. Use HRC to take out the legacy media.
Some are already distancing themselves from her for that reason.
don't worry, huge entities will have backup plans.
Stop gap measures, retreating to safe havens, sacrificing A to save B.
These are all doomed to fail.
we shall see.
It's all in the intro to Democracy In America.
"All men and all events contribute to the increase in equality of conditions."
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablei am not saying do not try, just make sure when you get the chance, break them up, reinstate the fairness doctrine.
You will only be able to get a chance if you _make_ that chance.
As FDR pointed out nothing happens in politics that wasn't planned.
true to some extent.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablebill clinton took all of that away. six companies now own 90% of all media outlets. they control the message.
Which is only the small % who are legacy media Democrats.
It's barely enough to get HRC the nomination.
Had we gone to work a couple years ago Sanders would have the nomination.
possibly.
No question at all about it.
possibly.
By Nov. a super majority will be socialists.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillThis just confirms that you and many others do not or can not fully comprehend the extent of the dumbing down of the American public by the 0.1% and explains why you resort to rinky dink solutions that are 100% guaranteed to either fail or make things worse.
i understand it better than you.
That's why you not only contradict Tocqueville, your own political action plans are based on mutually contradictory assumptions.
we shall see.
The Big Media Big Lie that numbers & money prevail against personality has been grandfathered into your subconscious.
Or maybe your conscious.
This would not be the case if you read the eye opener of eye openers, _Democracy In America_.
not my sub conscience. i knew the day would come when this mess could no longer be swept away.
But you still believe the big lie that a nice carpet on the studio floor and some over priced hookers can prevail over the little guy.
You may find it interesting that the reason Vince Foster committed suicide is he once believed that very same Big Lie as you and many others.
Another big lie is that every candidate _must always_ concede defeat if he loses. One exception to this would be close elections as in 2000. Having no brain of his own Al Gore conceded, not once but twice.
If tRUMP loses to HRC he will simply leave. He won't concede.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablein my opinion, the democratic party needs to go. the whigs went, we got a better party out of it.
From the looks of it, the GOP is going first which is just as good as all you need to do is take out _one_ leg of the 3 legged stool.
Like a controlled demo it's better to take out the 0.1% media first.
it could be the gop, but it could also be the dems.
There isn't a political scientist in the country who believes there is any danger to the Democratic Party even if HRC loses to tRUMP.
In contrast anyone can see tRUMP will destroy the GOP in a matter of months if not weeks.
Even Matt "Mind Like A Steel Trap" Bai said that there is no longer any reason for the GOP establishment to exist with tRUMP.
Moreover you are willing to ignore predictions by Democrats that go back long before Bill Clinton, "Faustian bargain" when the day for reckoning would come.
That day has come.
Like the legacy media you ignore the basic difference between the 2 parties:
The Democratic Party base ain't the sharpest knives in the drawer, the greatest of critical thinkers, but they ain't a bunch of bigots either.
The GOP base is 50% openly racist and 50% code word dog whistle racist.
This difference translates in a much bigger problem for the GOP than the Dems.
85% of Sanders supporters will just vote HRC.
If HRC loses to tRUMP the legacy media will finally be driven from the party but this victory may be moot if tRUMP gets everyone killed.
Post by nickname unavailableit matters not to me anymore.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablewhat you are doing is trying everything except what is at the tip of your nose.
If you think the problem is compact enough to be at the tip of someone's nose you have no clue as to the extent and depth of the propaganda problem.
when you limit the voices, its a given that you will limit the voices.
But the voices aren't limited. Any homeless person can go into the library and post.
If you want the majority's voice in the _official_ political debate then you need to first rip some official media fanny.
i post all of the time. been doing it for about 2 decades now.
There are several dozen legacy media Big Lies that are still "common knowledge."
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe only way to enlighten the public, is to provide for other voices.
The "other voices" can be heard.
That's not the problem.
The problem is they haven't read Tocqueville so they don't know what to say to get _results_.
Some vague thing about position papers ain't gonna do the trick.
Once some Georgists thought they were going to start a caucus in the Democratic Party. They made up a list of all their positions, almost like it was a party platform, not a caucus.
I told them to be selective about their caucus positions. Just use the ones that don't contradict too many of the positions of the larger party.
(Another one for Political Shark Tank)
mine was just free trade, nothing else, 22 years later, i was listened to.
You would have been heard a whole lot earlier had you known that you first needed to send yuge bloody chunks of legacy media fanny sailing all over the place for gush hyping the imPOORtant flag burner issue 24/7/52 TWENTY SIX (26) years ago.
i did. like pointing out to the media, why are you advertising b1-bombers, to the public? anyone can tall its a blatant bribe.
You need to explain things so that they _understand_.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableeven today, with all that has happened, including trump, the legacy media still lies about free trade, and with 6 huge conglomerates, that make a killing off of free trade, all you will ever hear out of the 90% of the outlets they own, is the wonders of free trade.
But only 10% listen. The only reason they matter is that 10% are all legacy media Democrats.
not enough to elect hillary.
Their days are numbered. The question is will they prefer to destroy the planet than submit to the dominion of the unwashed masses.
Right now it looks like they would prefer to destroy the planet.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe public of course no longer believes that,
So the power of freedom of the press is _not_ like the power of armies?
yes, its why we need more than six outlets.
1. That contradicts Tocqueville's truth that the power of freedom of the press isn't like the power of armies.
2. We already have millions of outlets.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe viewership of the legacy media has collapsed, they are viewed worse than a used car salesmen, but they still lie. there are no other voices to say its a lie,
You mean there are no other voices in their little rapidly shrinking echo chamber.
which advertising b1-bombers to the public, and that means they can still lie.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethere is no time provided by the fairness doctrine to refute the lies.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablethe founders were attacked by the media like crazy. except there was lots of independent media back then.
And we're getting back to what Tocqueville called "dispersed" media today.
After that then you can expect results.
true. there is no way around this. the neo-liberals will not give up. they are doubling down right now. so expect the collapse, its written in stone then the reforms happen,
Aren't reforms possible w/o the Great Rapture Disaster?
sometimes,
I might be inclined to explore those possibilities first, a no stone left un turned effort.
Post by nickname unavailablebut not with neo-liberals at the helm. even sarkozy and merkel understand that.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableif hillary does not blame russia and china for this.
Looks like that will be exactly what she'll do.
yep. so trump might be less scarey to millions.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailabletoday, thanks to bill clinton, 90% of all media outlets, are owned by just six gigantic multinational, transnational corporations, and you expect them to just cut that out.
The number of papers increased until 1914. After that the number decreased as the robber barons consolidated complete control over the U.S. political, economic and cultural system.
What does that have to do with Clinton?
it was still vibrant and not concentrated in the early 1990's.
Every Big Lie was already in place by the late 1980s.
The consolidation of power and the Big Lies were all in place pre Clinton.
yet, i read and watched people that refuted the lies. you simply think you can control the lies and the conversation. you cannot.
You can exert editorial control over every shill in the U. S. if you know what you are doing.
I have the feedback diagram but it'll work for anyone now.
Post by nickname unavailablewhat controls the conversation, is thousands of outlets, letting the little guys do their things.
every sunday night in my home town, for one and a half hours there was open discussion on t.v. for call ins about politics and economics. after 1996 there went all of the independents, along with it, that important program.
It's all online now.
Retailers are being put out of bidness by Amazon.
Shopping on line may be anti-social but it's low carbon.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillOne reason it is important to point out that nothing happened in 1996 or with Citizens United (other than to obfuscate the real source of big lies) is because it sends otherwise well intended folk on a wild goose chase.
What does robber baron consolidation of media power 100 years ago have to do with Clinton?
they took out all of the independent voices.
Apparently that happened a century ago when Congress gave power of the purse to the Fed.
Post by nickname unavailablei bet in every city around america, there were programs like what was in my city, either on radio or t.v.
you dismiss the crimes of the clintons. when you do that, you lose a lot of support.
The flow chart is simple:
Step one: Is the U. S. a functional democracy or not?
Yes => look at position papers and vote accordingly
No => reinstate freedom of speech on economic issues
The answer is no so there is no reason to attack politicians.
In fact, there is no reason to attack politicians if the answer is "yes."
It's a trivial flow chart.
As Tocqueville wrote, "The freedom of the press and the sovereignty of the people are therefore entirely correlative . . ."
Freedom of the press was gone long before 1996.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailableand when they were regulated, was in the 1930's. yes damage was done by then, but not much after that. you see, you still have a twinkle in you eyes for that monster.
Post by Bret CahillPost by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillCitizen's United isn't even the tip of the iceberg. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 plays no role whatsoever.
yes it does.
Name one single _new_ (post 1996) Big Lie that the people now consider to be The Truth.
____________________free trade, deregulation, privatization, finance drives the economy, demand for goods and services is driven by magic, not wages, etc._______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Those are merely new policies.
You can argue that the new policies are bad and that the bad policies come from new big lies but you still haven't named one single _new_ Big Lie, that is, a big lie that is ingrained in the American conscious or subconscious.
Here, try again.
Name one single _new_ (post 1996) Big Lie that the people now consider to be The Truth.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillGuns = liberty teeth? Most of those bogus quotes appeared in the 1980s.
Even libertarianism was astro turfed by the media long before Clinton.
yet the media was not concentrated, other voices were heard,
those were not new polices, they were blubbered about in the 1890's.
But they weren't enacted until Clinton was in office.
Anyway, try again.
Name one single _new_ (post 1996) Big Lie that the people now consider to be The Truth.
Post by nickname unavailabletrickle down has been lied about, but the name keeps changing.
Ignore politicians and personalities and look at situations.
Otherwise you are playing wack a mole like you did with Wasserman Shultz.
Post by nickname unavailablePost by Bret CahillYet the Big Lies persisted _anyway_, long _before_ 1996 as well as after.
yes, but in the 1980's, i got to call into my local t.v. channel, and challenge a trickle down liar, that the horse and the sparrow was what trickle down was called in the 1890's, and it failed miserably. but that program disappeared, along with just about all of the independent v...
I once got to go down to mall and go shopping. I no longer do that much. Some things change and I adapt.
Other truths will never be overturned, i.e., the correlation between freedom of the press on economic issues and the sovereignty of the people.
The correlation between freedom and taxes.
Bret Cahill