95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

2014-02-21 03:41:11 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

AlleyCat

2014-02-21 04:56:52 UTC

On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:41:11 -0800 (PST), wy says...

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the
-observations-must-be-wrong/
Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

Awards
1989 - Marshall Space Flight Center Center Director's Commendation
1990 - Alabama House of Representatives Resolution #624
1991 - NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (with John Christy)
1996 - American Meteorological Society Special Award "for developing a
global, precise record of earth's temperature from operational polar-
orbiting satellites, fundamentally advancing our ability to monitor
climate." (with John Christy)

Cuntnadian owned again.

--
A "teabagger" is a male Democrat who performs fellatio on another male
Democrat... either sucking his balls or laying his genitals on his
partner's face. <snicker>

Wexford

2014-02-21 18:48:59 UTC

Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:41:11 -0800 (PST), wy says...

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the
-observations-must-be-wrong/
Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

Are YOU a scientist? Are YOU a climatologist? How many PhD.'s do YOU have?
No. No. None.
Roy Warren Spencer is a climatologist, Principal Research Scientist at the
University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for
the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua
satellite. He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's
Marshall Space Flight Center.
He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which
he was awarded the American Meteorological Society's Special Award.
How many satellites do YOU monitor? How many Awards have YOU won, other
than the Nerd Math Trophy I awarded you months ago?
None and None.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/205eid2.jpg
Awards
1989 - Marshall Space Flight Center Center Director's Commendation
1990 - Alabama House of Representatives Resolution #624
1991 - NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (with John Christy)
1996 - American Meteorological Society Special Award "for developing a
global, precise record of earth's temperature from operational polar-
orbiting satellites, fundamentally advancing our ability to monitor
climate." (with John Christy)
Cuntnadian owned again.
--
A "teabagger" is a male Democrat who performs fellatio on another male
Democrat... either sucking his balls or laying his genitals on his
partner's face. <snicker>

You neglected to mention that he's also a fundamentalist religion kook. His philosophical position is that God wouldn't let humans destroy the atmosphere, only God can do that.

v***@gmail.com

2014-02-21 22:09:33 UTC

Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:41:11 -0800 (PST), wy says...

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the
-observations-must-be-wrong/
Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

Roy Spencer was recently interviewed by the website Catholic Online, and unfortunately spent most of the interview repeating long-debunked climate myths. He could have simply answered the questions with factually correct information, and expressed his climate 'skepticism' where appropriate. Had he taken this approach, the Catholic Online readers could have become better informed on the subject of climate change, as well as potentially seeing where Roy Spencer's 'skepticism' comes from.

Instead, Roy Spencer responded to most of the questions with factually wrong answers. It was the sort of interview you might expect from a climate contrarian blogger like Anthony Watts, but you would hope that a climate scientist could do much, much better. Unfortunately, Spencer disappointed. Here we will compare Spencer's assertions to the body of scientific evidence and see where he went wrong.

AlleyCat

2014-02-21 22:28:45 UTC

"...but you would hope that a climate scientist could do much, much
better."

Why? Because he gave the answers YOU didn't want to hear?

--
A "teabagger" is a male Democrat who performs fellatio on another male
Democrat... either sucking his balls or laying his genitals on his
partner's face. <snicker>

David Hartung

2014-02-22 02:12:48 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by AlleyCat
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:41:11 -0800 (PST), wy says...

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the
-observations-must-be-wrong/
Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

Roy Spencer was recently interviewed by the website Catholic Online, and unfortunately spent most of the interview repeating long-debunked climate myths. He could have simply answered the questions with factually correct information, and expressed his climate 'skepticism' where appropriate. Had he taken this approach, the Catholic Online readers could have become better informed on the subject of climate change, as well as potentially seeing where Roy Spencer's 'skepticism' comes from.
Instead, Roy Spencer responded to most of the questions with factually wrong answers. It was the sort of interview you might expect from a climate contrarian blogger like Anthony Watts, but you would hope that a climate scientist could do much, much better. Unfortunately, Spencer disappointed. Here we will compare Spencer's assertions to the body of scientific evidence and see where he went wrong.

You are an experienced climate researcher?

If not, then I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

Mitchell Holman

2014-02-22 03:30:40 UTC

Post by David Hartung
You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you?

Post by David Hartung
If not, then I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

Spencer is a religious nutter.

"Spencer is also on the advisory board of the Cornwall
Alliance, a group with 'An Evangelical Declaration on
Global Warming' claiming that "Earth and its ecosystems
created by God's intelligent design and infinite power
and sustained by His faithful providence are robust,
resilient, self-regulating, and self - correcting,
admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying
His glory."
http://tinyurl.com/lr8n7xm

Don't you have an OBJECTIVE source to share with us?

Man of Mind

2014-02-23 15:30:06 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
Roy Spencer was recently interviewed by the website Catholic Online,
and unfortunately spent most of the interview repeating long-debunked
climate myths. He could have simply answered the questions with
factually correct information, and expressed his climate 'skepticism'
where appropriate. Had he taken this approach, the Catholic Online
readers could have become better informed on the subject of climate
change, as well as potentially seeing where Roy Spencer's 'skepticism'
comes from.
Instead, Roy Spencer responded to most of the questions with factually
wrong answers. It was the sort of interview you might expect from a
climate contrarian blogger like Anthony Watts, but you would hope that
a climate scientist could do much, much better. Unfortunately,
Spencer disappointed. Here we will compare Spencer's assertions to
the body of scientific evidence and see where he went wrong.

You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you appealing to authority? Or would you prefer that I
send you some of the peer-reviewed/published articles that
counter your much esteemed views on this subject?

Post by David Hartung
[..] I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

About Dr. Spencer..

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer

"Spencer is on the nine-member board of the antiregulation,
Scaife- and Bradley-funded Marshall Institute, though he
appears not to disclose this affiliation on his website."

Hrmm, there appears to be a bias in his pronouncements,
much like your own uninformed opinions..

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

David Hartung

2014-02-24 01:05:15 UTC

You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you appealing to authority? Or would you prefer that I
send you some of the peer-reviewed/published articles that
counter your much esteemed views on this subject?

Post by David Hartung
[..] I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

About Dr. Spencer..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is on the nine-member board of the antiregulation,
Scaife- and Bradley-funded Marshall Institute, though he
appears not to disclose this affiliation on his website."
Hrmm, there appears to be a bias in his pronouncements,
much like your own uninformed opinions..

There also appears to be bias in your pronouncements.

2014-02-24 01:53:45 UTC

You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you appealing to authority? Or would you prefer that I
send you some of the peer-reviewed/published articles that
counter your much esteemed views on this subject?

Post by David Hartung
[..] I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

About Dr. Spencer..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is on the nine-member board of the antiregulation,
Scaife- and Bradley-funded Marshall Institute, though he
appears not to disclose this affiliation on his website."
Hrmm, there appears to be a bias in his pronouncements,
much like your own uninformed opinions..

There also appears to be bias in your pronouncements.

Bias and Hartung. A funny correlation.

Mitchell Holman

2014-02-24 03:30:59 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
Roy Spencer was recently interviewed by the website Catholic Online,
and unfortunately spent most of the interview repeating long-

debunked

Post by v***@gmail.com
climate myths. He could have simply answered the questions with
factually correct information, and expressed his climate

'skepticism'

Post by v***@gmail.com
where appropriate. Had he taken this approach, the Catholic Online
readers could have become better informed on the subject of climate
change, as well as potentially seeing where Roy Spencer's

'skepticism'

Post by v***@gmail.com
comes from.
Instead, Roy Spencer responded to most of the questions with factually
wrong answers. It was the sort of interview you might expect from a
climate contrarian blogger like Anthony Watts, but you would hope that
a climate scientist could do much, much better. Unfortunately,
Spencer disappointed. Here we will compare Spencer's assertions to
the body of scientific evidence and see where he went wrong.

You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you appealing to authority? Or would you prefer that I
send you some of the peer-reviewed/published articles that
counter your much esteemed views on this subject?

Post by David Hartung
[..] I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

About Dr. Spencer..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is on the nine-member board of the antiregulation,
Scaife- and Bradley-funded Marshall Institute, though he
appears not to disclose this affiliation on his website."
Hrmm, there appears to be a bias in his pronouncements,
much like your own uninformed opinions..

There also appears to be bias in your pronouncements.

Tell us about the bias at the Dept of
Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A & M Univeristy.

"We, the faculty of the Dept. of Atmospheric
Sciences of Texas A&M, agree with the recent
reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change that:

1) It is virtually certain that the climate is
warming, and that it has warmed by about
0.7 deg. C over the last 100 years.

2) It is very likely that humans are responsible
for most of the recent warming.

3) If we do nothing to reduce our emissions of
greenhouse gases, future warming will likely
be at least two degrees Celsius over the next
century.

4) Such a climate change brings with it a risk of
serious adverse impacts on our environment and
society."

http://www.met.tamu.edu/weather-and-climate/climate-change-statement

Man of Mind

2014-02-24 03:51:36 UTC

....

Post by v***@gmail.com
Instead, Roy Spencer responded to most of the questions with factually
wrong answers. It was the sort of interview you might expect from a
climate contrarian blogger like Anthony Watts, but you would hope that
a climate scientist could do much, much better. Unfortunately,
Spencer disappointed. Here we will compare Spencer's assertions to
the body of scientific evidence and see where he went wrong.

You are an experienced climate researcher?

Are you appealing to authority? Or would you prefer that I
send you some of the peer-reviewed/published articles that
counter your much esteemed views on this subject?

*>cricket.wav<*

Post by David Hartung
[..] I expect that your opinion on what is factual and not
factual isn't as informed as Dr. Spencer's.

About Dr. Spencer..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is on the nine-member board of the antiregulation,
Scaife- and Bradley-funded Marshall Institute, though he
appears not to disclose this affiliation on his website."
Hrmm, there appears to be a bias in his pronouncements,
much like your own uninformed opinions..

There also appears to be

Another tu quoque "appeal to hypocrisy" on your behalf..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-24 05:43:00 UTC

In article <led45u$p2t$***@dont-email.me>
Man of Mind <***@gmail.com> wrote:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin
Luther King Jr.

Race is a touchy subject in America. In fact it's an obsession.
When I ended up with this picture (click here) via an e-mail
chat group, I was skeptical. After all, I live in Bristol
Virginia/Tennessee only 90 miles from Knoxville. This horror
story never made it into the local press that I know of. Anna
Nicole Smith, the Duke Rape Case fraud, and Imus drowned us out.

If it had been reported, it was certain we would never know the
race of the felons, or that at least one of the five was a
released felon. Because of the explosive issue of race,
accusations of media bias, and lack of information from
Knoxville authorities, we have far more than just two wonderful
young people slaughtered by some savages. It's a political
correctness freak show.

Like it or note Christian-Newsom murders had became a racial
flashpoint. The leftwing press has run a relentless propaganda
blitz attacking whites savagely for the smallest violation of
political correctness, while playing down minority violence,
crime and anti-white racism. Since this case first exploded onto
the scene via the internet America has elected a black president
- yet race relations are worse than ever. Liberals have
exploited race at every opportunity for political gain.

The internet has changed everything. Stories from local press
reports, small city-town news sources, and bloggers doing their
own reporting has taken at curbed the power of big media setting
the political agenda and silencing dissent. That is what this is
about.

I have compiled via many sources to counter what I and thousands
of other believe is media bias. One will not find political
correctness censorship and I will challenge anyone to disprove
what I present. Equally I want nothing to do with blatant
racists on the right or left. I revile race hustlers be they
David Duke as much as Al Sharpton. The left is simply racists
and because of censorship and slanting the news create even more
racial tension. So let's explore the following.

But to quote Dr. Walter Williams:

What have we heard from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton
and others who rushed to judgment and outrage as they condemned
whites in the cases of the "Jena 6" and Don Imus when he
referred to the Rutgers ladies basketball team as "nappy-headed
ho's"? Where were the national news media and public officials?
You can bet the rent money that were the victims black and the
perpetrators white, Knoxville would have been inundated with TV
crews, with Jackson, Sharpton and other civil rights spokesmen
and politicians from both parties condemning racism, possibly
blaming it all on George Bush...

Now the Associated Press (August 17, 2009) plays the race card.
To quote,

A jury was brought in for the case from Davidson County, 150
miles away, in an unusual move to ensure jurors weren't tainted
by pretrial publicity. They are sequestered in a hotel and
barred by the judge from following news coverage of the trial.
The victims were white and middle class, and the defendants are
poor and black. Some conservative Internet commentators and
white supremacist agitators accused the national media of
reverse discrimination by failing to give the case the same
attention paid to white-on-black hate crimes.

First the social class of the victims doesn't have a damn thing
to do with this. The usual liberal racist' nonsense is to imply
all minority criminals because they are "poor" or "down trodden"
or whatever somehow excuses their behavior. On the other hand
the victims being better off somehow and white had it coming to
them or as the liberal racists always imply, the criminal
actions of a "coward" like Cobbins is rooted in a racist' white
society.

Then statements such as "conservative Internet commentators and
white supremacist agitators" suggests everyone into the racist
category.

The same press went into a feeding frenzy at the time over Imus'
comments about the Rutgers girls basketball team, a total non-
crime, and participated in the press lynching of three white
members of the Duke lacrosse team over the non-rape of a black
prostitute. The press, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. never even
offered an apology.

In another biased news report:
Conservative commentators and Internet bloggers latched onto the
Christian-Newsom killings soon after the crimes occurred. They
demonized the national media for ignoring what they considered a
black-on-white hate crime and contrasted it to the heavily
reported white-on-black Duke lacrosse rape case. But two rallies
in Knoxville in 2007 led by white supremacist sympathizers were
met with significant anti-protester response and failed to gain
traction. No demonstrations are expected now.

Knoxville's black community has had problems with selective
enforcement by police, but that is in the past, said Knoxville
NAACP president Sheryl Rollins, an attorney. "In no way does the
NAACP condone or support anybody - black, white, Chinese,
greenies, whatever - that would do what those people (allegedly)
did to those children," she said.

The "white supremacists" were a whopping total of three people.
Everyone else protesting this news bias got lumped in with these
three. The reason the three got no traction is they represented
nobody because they were just idiots trying to take advantage of
the situation. As for Sheryl Rollins, that was the same racist'
NAACP that lynched the Duke lacrosse players in the press and
never apologized for it.

Quoting Nicholas Stix, AR News, May 14, 2007, he claimed the
Knoxville police won't give him the cause of death either. (I
tried find too at the time.)

Police and reporters have promoted the view that this crime was
a simple carjacking that got out of hand, and that the rapists
poured cleaning fluid down Miss Christian's throat to destroy
DNA evidence. This appears to be wrong on both counts. The
killers ditched Miss Christian's SUV just a few hours after they
stole it, which suggests they had no great interest in it. Also,
according to court documents, they had already planned on
killing Miss Christian, so they could have used the cleaning
fluid after she was dead.

They did not bother to "clean" her vagina and anus, which were
stuffed with DNA evidence. It appears to this reporter that the
carjacking was just a way to kidnap, gang rape, torture, and
murder whites, and that the killers used the cleaning fluid for
the sole purpose of further torturing Miss Christian.

Quoting an article by James H. Lilley, also stated in other
blogs, etc:

On Saturday January 6, 2007 Hugh Christopher Newsom, age 23 and
Channon Gail Christian, age 21, both students at the University
of Tennessee went out on a date. They were driving in Channon's
Toyota 4-Runner when they were carjacked at gunpoint. Suddenly
the crime turned far more savage than an armed car theft. Chris
and Channon were kidnapped and driven to 2316 Chipman Street
where they were forced into the home at gunpoint. While Channon
was forced to watch, her boyfriend was raped prison style and
then his penis was cut off. He was later driven to nearby
railroad tracks where he was shot and set afire.

But Channon's hell was just beginning. She was beaten; gang
raped repeatedly in many ways, had one of her breasts cut off
and bleach poured down her throat to destroy DNA evidence-all
while she was still alive. To add to Channon's degradation the
suspects took turns urinating on her. They too set her body
afire, apparently inside the residence, but for some reason left
her body there-in five separate trash bags...

No wonder the police were not releasing this information if it's
true. (Turns out part of it wasn't.) There are endless
conflicting news reports on this story at the time. Also, it has
been reported by some this was a crack house where people came
and went that nobody tried to help them or call police. For the
whole article from Mr. Lilly see click here.

This comment at www.vdare.com from a reader in Knoxville,
Tennessee:

Here we go again, the depths of depravity are pushed deeper by
black hooligans in sleepy Knoxville, TN. First they were just
going to carjack, then they decided to abduct and take the
couple back to the criminal's house.

So they tied them up, beat the boyfriend in front of his girl,
shoot him, pour gasoline on him and lit him on fire. They
disposed of his body near some railroad tracks.

Next, it is her turn as they rape and sodomize her for several
days, maybe as many as four black men took part! They pour drain
cleaner into her throat to clean up the evidence, wrap her in
plastic and throw her into their garbage can outside their house.

Except that they didn't know she was alive! She later died from
the cold. No mention of the perpetrator's or victim's ancestry
is mentioned. Although in Knoxville, their faces are all on the
news channels...

As of this news article, even with trial dates set, to quote:
"Groups wondering why prosecutors haven't demanded the death
penalty yet. "We've had some discussions of course, we're still
putting evidence together," says Knox County District Attorney
General Randy Nichols." I'm wondering the same.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/liberal_racism.htm

--
For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
Obama twice was such a great idea, this couple's death is your
legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this black on white crime
the American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

Fred Oinka

2014-02-21 05:04:29 UTC

Post by wy

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

Let me guess, this is your current favorite comedian.

RUN FORREST!!

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-21 05:15:06 UTC

In article <73db3a55-a1b8-4cd6-ae5e-
***@googlegroups.com>
wy <***@myself.com> wrote:

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Philip Burns (pictured), a former elementary school teacher of
the year who was arrested last November, was recently indicted
for child molestation, according to prosecutors.

A five-count indictment filed Wednesday charged the HIV-positive
Burns with child molestation, aggravated child molestation,
reckless conduct, child enticement and criminal solicitation,
according to WALB News 10.

Burns worked as a third grade teacher for a magnet school in
Dougherty County, Ga., from 2008 until 2012. Last year, he was
deemed a worthy candidate for Teacher of the Year. According
to investigators, none of elementary school children were Burns
victims.

Last year, Burns left his post at the magnate school for a job
in Muscogee County.

The teen boys he did allegedly target were the junior leaguers
of a fraternity and, according to the Albany district attorneys
office, Burns in the capacity of a mentor somehow weaseled his
way into the organization.

The Burns case got jumpstarted by a complaint that came through
to the Dougherty County School Police from the parent of a 15-
year-old boy. Though Burns was no longer with the school
district, the investigators would not drop the case.

There was a hideous crime that had been committed. The
possibility of several different incidents, Dougherty County
School Police Chief Troy Conley told WALB. And although he had
moved on, and was no longer here in Dougherty County, we did
have information he was part of a school system in Muscogee
County, Georgia.

When Burns was arrested last November, it was then that
authorities discovered his HIV status and also charged him with
felony reckless conduct.

A person engaging in intercourse or oral sex with someone while
failing to disclose his or her positive HIV status is committing
a criminal offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison under
Georgia law.

Authorities say Burns knew of his HIV status at the time he was
reportedly engaging in sexual acts with the children.

Now the D.A. and School Police Investigators are reaching out to
other possible victims.

There is always the possibility that there may have been other
victims out there. And hopefully if they are, they will develop
the courage to come forward, Conley told WALB. Were concerned
about their well being and their health at this point.

Dougherty County School Police is asking anyone else with
concerns about Philip Burns to call them at 229-431-1812 and to
seek medical treatment at once.

Meanwhile, Burns is out of jail on bond. Police officials have
contacted the states Professional Standards Commission to
ensure that Burns is not allowed to seek employment at any
schools within the state.

http://newsone.com/2737555/teacher-of-the-year-candidate-hiv-
indicted-for-sex-with-children-philip-burns/

--
For all you assbags who think blindly voting Democrat just
because you always have, this black homosexual perversion is
your legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this black crime against
humanity the American liberal biased media has attempted to
obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

Lee

2014-02-21 17:50:29 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-obs
ervations-must-be-wrong/

97% of climate scientists agree humans are contributing to warming

Finally succumbing to reality, Hartung?

r***@yahoo.com

2014-02-21 18:32:35 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

You can always find a few dissenters to most any idea. The Flat Earth Society is one such group. The consensus is that man made GW is real.

See what has been said about Spencer and his denial despite his impressive list of scholastic achievements.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/29/282584/climate-scienists-debunk-latest-bunk-by-denier-roy-spencer/#

David Hartung

2014-02-21 19:43:20 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

You can always find a few dissenters to most any idea. The Flat Earth Society is one such group. The consensus is that man made GW is real.
See what has been said about Spencer and his denial despite his impressive list of scholastic achievements.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/29/282584/climate-scienists-debunk-latest-bunk-by-denier-roy-spencer/#

You used articles several years old to "debunk" something written by Dr.
Spence this month. You also cite Think-progress, and left wing rag which
has no creditability.

2014-02-21 20:12:47 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

You can always find a few dissenters to most any idea. The Flat Earth Society is one such group. The consensus is that man made GW is real.
See what has been said about Spencer and his denial despite his impressive list of scholastic achievements.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/29/282584/climate-scienists-debunk-latest-bunk-by-denier-roy-spencer/#

You used articles several years old to "debunk" something written by Dr.
Spence this month. You also cite Think-progress, and left wing rag which
has no creditability.

You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago? If that's the case, then any Joe Schmo can debunk a book written two millennia ago. When is the dividing time supposed to be in your universe between credible and incredible information?

David Hartung

2014-02-22 02:14:16 UTC

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher, which
you are not.

2014-02-22 03:54:32 UTC

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher, which
you are not.

That's completely meaningless even coming from you, because you're essentially saying that only experienced researchers know what they're talking about, even if it's contrary to what other experienced researchers are saying. And since you're not experienced yourself, how can you even make an informed and educated decision on who's right and be certain about it? You can't. It doesn't add up according to your own illogical logic.

Man of Mind

2014-02-23 15:42:16 UTC

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher

And appears to be 'connected' to industries that do not want
to do anything constructive about global warming, to be precise.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer

"Spencer is a board member of the George C. Marshall Institute.
At the George C. Marshall Institute roundtable in 2006 Spencer
said "We are not saying that we don't believe that there can be
significant global warming. As John [Christy] said, if you add
CO2, something has to change. But things are changing all the
time anyway. The big question is: So what? How much is it going
to change, compared to other things? And what can you do about it?"

As a Board Member of GMI, he knows the funding sources of the
organization, which includes moneys from Exxon profits. GMI is
a front group to which Exxon and others funnel corporate dollars
to advance a corporate agenda. While Spencer's claims to receive
no "corporate funding" may be technically true, since GMI is
a non-profit that is funded by other non-profits set up by oil
and gas companies to help launder their profits and advance their
policy agenda, he devotes significant time aiding the agenda of
such corporations. There is no mention of his connection to the
George C. Marshall Institute on the "About" page of his weblog."

Well, so much for his objectivity and intellectual integrity..

What about yours?

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

David Hartung

2014-02-24 00:53:57 UTC

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher

And appears to be 'connected' to industries that do not want
to do anything constructive about global warming, to be precise.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is a board member of the George C. Marshall Institute.
At the George C. Marshall Institute roundtable in 2006 Spencer
said "We are not saying that we don't believe that there can be
significant global warming. As John [Christy] said, if you add
CO2, something has to change. But things are changing all the
time anyway. The big question is: So what? How much is it going
to change, compared to other things? And what can you do about it?"
As a Board Member of GMI, he knows the funding sources of the
organization, which includes moneys from Exxon profits. GMI is
a front group to which Exxon and others funnel corporate dollars
to advance a corporate agenda. While Spencer's claims to receive
no "corporate funding" may be technically true, since GMI is
a non-profit that is funded by other non-profits set up by oil
and gas companies to help launder their profits and advance their
policy agenda, he devotes significant time aiding the agenda of
such corporations. There is no mention of his connection to the
George C. Marshall Institute on the "About" page of his weblog."
Well, so much for his objectivity and intellectual integrity..

"Objectivity and intellectual integrity"? Are you serious?

Let me ask you a question. Would a government employed climate scientist
with public "pro-agw" views were to serve on the board of a "pro-agw"
lobbying firm which lobbies to support their views, would you question
his "Objectivity and intellectual integrity"?

2014-02-24 01:49:38 UTC

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several
years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher

And appears to be 'connected' to industries that do not want
to do anything constructive about global warming, to be precise.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is a board member of the George C. Marshall Institute.
At the George C. Marshall Institute roundtable in 2006 Spencer
said "We are not saying that we don't believe that there can be
significant global warming. As John [Christy] said, if you add
CO2, something has to change. But things are changing all the
time anyway. The big question is: So what? How much is it going
to change, compared to other things? And what can you do about it?"
As a Board Member of GMI, he knows the funding sources of the
organization, which includes moneys from Exxon profits. GMI is
a front group to which Exxon and others funnel corporate dollars
to advance a corporate agenda. While Spencer's claims to receive
no "corporate funding" may be technically true, since GMI is
a non-profit that is funded by other non-profits set up by oil
and gas companies to help launder their profits and advance their
policy agenda, he devotes significant time aiding the agenda of
such corporations. There is no mention of his connection to the
George C. Marshall Institute on the "About" page of his weblog."
Well, so much for his objectivity and intellectual integrity..

"Objectivity and intellectual integrity"? Are you serious?
Let me ask you a question. Would a government employed climate scientist
with public "pro-agw" views were to serve on the board of a "pro-agw"
lobbying firm which lobbies to support their views, would you question
his "Objectivity and intellectual integrity"?

Could you be a little more ... no, a lot more ... coherent?

Man of Mind

2014-02-24 03:51:28 UTC

....

Post by wy
You actually believe this "doctor" debunks anything written several years ago?

I recognize that Dr. Spencer is an experienced climate researcher

And appears to be 'connected' to industries that do not want
to do anything constructive about global warming, to be precise.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer
"Spencer is a board member of the George C. Marshall Institute.
At the George C. Marshall Institute roundtable in 2006 Spencer
said "We are not saying that we don't believe that there can be
significant global warming. As John [Christy] said, if you add
CO2, something has to change. But things are changing all the
time anyway. The big question is: So what? How much is it going
to change, compared to other things? And what can you do about it?"
As a Board Member of GMI, he knows the funding sources of the
organization, which includes moneys from Exxon profits. GMI is
a front group to which Exxon and others funnel corporate dollars
to advance a corporate agenda. While Spencer's claims to receive
no "corporate funding" may be technically true, since GMI is
a non-profit that is funded by other non-profits set up by oil
and gas companies to help launder their profits and advance their
policy agenda, he devotes significant time aiding the agenda of
such corporations. There is no mention of his connection to the
George C. Marshall Institute on the "About" page of his weblog."
Well, so much for his objectivity and intellectual integrity..

"Objectivity and intellectual integrity"?

Okay, how about his abject of lack of objectivity and intellectual
integrity? Does the sarcasm I intended make more sense to you?

Post by David Hartung
Are you serious?

Entirely serious..

Post by David Hartung
Let me ask you a question

No thanks..

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-24 04:16:27 UTC

In article <led4so$t2p$***@dont-email.me>
Man of Mind <***@gmail.com> wrote:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin
Luther King Jr.

Race is a touchy subject in America. In fact it's an obsession.
When I ended up with this picture (click here) via an e-mail
chat group, I was skeptical. After all, I live in Bristol
Virginia/Tennessee only 90 miles from Knoxville. This horror
story never made it into the local press that I know of. Anna
Nicole Smith, the Duke Rape Case fraud, and Imus drowned us out.

If it had been reported, it was certain we would never know the
race of the felons, or that at least one of the five was a
released felon. Because of the explosive issue of race,
accusations of media bias, and lack of information from
Knoxville authorities, we have far more than just two wonderful
young people slaughtered by some savages. It's a political
correctness freak show.

Like it or note Christian-Newsom murders had became a racial
flashpoint. The leftwing press has run a relentless propaganda
blitz attacking whites savagely for the smallest violation of
political correctness, while playing down minority violence,
crime and anti-white racism. Since this case first exploded onto
the scene via the internet America has elected a black president
- yet race relations are worse than ever. Liberals have
exploited race at every opportunity for political gain.

The internet has changed everything. Stories from local press
reports, small city-town news sources, and bloggers doing their
own reporting has taken at curbed the power of big media setting
the political agenda and silencing dissent. That is what this is
about.

I have compiled via many sources to counter what I and thousands
of other believe is media bias. One will not find political
correctness censorship and I will challenge anyone to disprove
what I present. Equally I want nothing to do with blatant
racists on the right or left. I revile race hustlers be they
David Duke as much as Al Sharpton. The left is simply racists
and because of censorship and slanting the news create even more
racial tension. So let's explore the following.

But to quote Dr. Walter Williams:

What have we heard from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton
and others who rushed to judgment and outrage as they condemned
whites in the cases of the "Jena 6" and Don Imus when he
referred to the Rutgers ladies basketball team as "nappy-headed
ho's"? Where were the national news media and public officials?
You can bet the rent money that were the victims black and the
perpetrators white, Knoxville would have been inundated with TV
crews, with Jackson, Sharpton and other civil rights spokesmen
and politicians from both parties condemning racism, possibly
blaming it all on George Bush...

Now the Associated Press (August 17, 2009) plays the race card.
To quote,

A jury was brought in for the case from Davidson County, 150
miles away, in an unusual move to ensure jurors weren't tainted
by pretrial publicity. They are sequestered in a hotel and
barred by the judge from following news coverage of the trial.
The victims were white and middle class, and the defendants are
poor and black. Some conservative Internet commentators and
white supremacist agitators accused the national media of
reverse discrimination by failing to give the case the same
attention paid to white-on-black hate crimes.

First the social class of the victims doesn't have a damn thing
to do with this. The usual liberal racist' nonsense is to imply
all minority criminals because they are "poor" or "down trodden"
or whatever somehow excuses their behavior. On the other hand
the victims being better off somehow and white had it coming to
them or as the liberal racists always imply, the criminal
actions of a "coward" like Cobbins is rooted in a racist' white
society.

Then statements such as "conservative Internet commentators and
white supremacist agitators" suggests everyone into the racist
category.

The same press went into a feeding frenzy at the time over Imus'
comments about the Rutgers girls basketball team, a total non-
crime, and participated in the press lynching of three white
members of the Duke lacrosse team over the non-rape of a black
prostitute. The press, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. never even
offered an apology.

In another biased news report:
Conservative commentators and Internet bloggers latched onto the
Christian-Newsom killings soon after the crimes occurred. They
demonized the national media for ignoring what they considered a
black-on-white hate crime and contrasted it to the heavily
reported white-on-black Duke lacrosse rape case. But two rallies
in Knoxville in 2007 led by white supremacist sympathizers were
met with significant anti-protester response and failed to gain
traction. No demonstrations are expected now.

Knoxville's black community has had problems with selective
enforcement by police, but that is in the past, said Knoxville
NAACP president Sheryl Rollins, an attorney. "In no way does the
NAACP condone or support anybody - black, white, Chinese,
greenies, whatever - that would do what those people (allegedly)
did to those children," she said.

The "white supremacists" were a whopping total of three people.
Everyone else protesting this news bias got lumped in with these
three. The reason the three got no traction is they represented
nobody because they were just idiots trying to take advantage of
the situation. As for Sheryl Rollins, that was the same racist'
NAACP that lynched the Duke lacrosse players in the press and
never apologized for it.

Quoting Nicholas Stix, AR News, May 14, 2007, he claimed the
Knoxville police won't give him the cause of death either. (I
tried find too at the time.)

Police and reporters have promoted the view that this crime was
a simple carjacking that got out of hand, and that the rapists
poured cleaning fluid down Miss Christian's throat to destroy
DNA evidence. This appears to be wrong on both counts. The
killers ditched Miss Christian's SUV just a few hours after they
stole it, which suggests they had no great interest in it. Also,
according to court documents, they had already planned on
killing Miss Christian, so they could have used the cleaning
fluid after she was dead.

They did not bother to "clean" her vagina and anus, which were
stuffed with DNA evidence. It appears to this reporter that the
carjacking was just a way to kidnap, gang rape, torture, and
murder whites, and that the killers used the cleaning fluid for
the sole purpose of further torturing Miss Christian.

Quoting an article by James H. Lilley, also stated in other
blogs, etc:

On Saturday January 6, 2007 Hugh Christopher Newsom, age 23 and
Channon Gail Christian, age 21, both students at the University
of Tennessee went out on a date. They were driving in Channon's
Toyota 4-Runner when they were carjacked at gunpoint. Suddenly
the crime turned far more savage than an armed car theft. Chris
and Channon were kidnapped and driven to 2316 Chipman Street
where they were forced into the home at gunpoint. While Channon
was forced to watch, her boyfriend was raped prison style and
then his penis was cut off. He was later driven to nearby
railroad tracks where he was shot and set afire.

But Channon's hell was just beginning. She was beaten; gang
raped repeatedly in many ways, had one of her breasts cut off
and bleach poured down her throat to destroy DNA evidence-all
while she was still alive. To add to Channon's degradation the
suspects took turns urinating on her. They too set her body
afire, apparently inside the residence, but for some reason left
her body there-in five separate trash bags...

No wonder the police were not releasing this information if it's
true. (Turns out part of it wasn't.) There are endless
conflicting news reports on this story at the time. Also, it has
been reported by some this was a crack house where people came
and went that nobody tried to help them or call police. For the
whole article from Mr. Lilly see click here.

This comment at www.vdare.com from a reader in Knoxville,
Tennessee:

Here we go again, the depths of depravity are pushed deeper by
black hooligans in sleepy Knoxville, TN. First they were just
going to carjack, then they decided to abduct and take the
couple back to the criminal's house.

So they tied them up, beat the boyfriend in front of his girl,
shoot him, pour gasoline on him and lit him on fire. They
disposed of his body near some railroad tracks.

Next, it is her turn as they rape and sodomize her for several
days, maybe as many as four black men took part! They pour drain
cleaner into her throat to clean up the evidence, wrap her in
plastic and throw her into their garbage can outside their house.

Except that they didn't know she was alive! She later died from
the cold. No mention of the perpetrator's or victim's ancestry
is mentioned. Although in Knoxville, their faces are all on the
news channels...

As of this news article, even with trial dates set, to quote:
"Groups wondering why prosecutors haven't demanded the death
penalty yet. "We've had some discussions of course, we're still
putting evidence together," says Knox County District Attorney
General Randy Nichols." I'm wondering the same.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/liberal_racism.htm

--
For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
Obama twice was such a great idea, this couple's death is your
legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this black on white crime
the American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

r***@yahoo.com

2014-02-21 21:47:17 UTC

Post by David Hartung
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

You can always find a few dissenters to most any idea. The Flat Earth Society is one such group. The consensus is that man made GW is real.
See what has been said about Spencer and his denial despite his impressive list of scholastic achievements.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/29/282584/climate-scienists-debunk-latest-bunk-by-denier-roy-spencer/#

You used articles several years old to "debunk" something written by Dr.
Spence this month. You also cite Think-progress, and left wing rag which
has no creditability.

And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

And the age of the "debunking" citations have nothing to do with the fact that Spencer has not changed his views from several years ago.

Let us know when he does.

David Hartung

2014-02-22 02:15:03 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Mitchell Holman

2014-02-22 03:32:33 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

As a creationist what do you care about science?

2014-02-22 03:55:20 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Yet, it's taught in accordance to what is generally accepted, which is based on majority vote.

RichTravsky

2014-02-22 05:14:39 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Correct. Do you understand "consensus"?

2014-02-22 06:39:49 UTC

Post by RichTravsky

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Correct. Do you understand "consensus"?

Majority or consensus or simply the many outnumbering the few is an alien concept to Hartung and his backwards, upside down and cock-eyed koo koo view of things.

r***@yahoo.com

2014-02-22 15:28:36 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Hartung in a hallucinatory manner posted: "Science is not determined by majority vote." Au contraire, mon frère.

That is precisely the way science progresses: conferences, publications, seminars, discussions, etc.

Apparently, from your previous posts on many subjects, science to YOU is based on religious grounds.

David Hartung

2014-02-22 15:45:25 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago, was that "Negroes" had smaller brains, and were thus subhuman.
Today all but the most ignorant racists understand just how utterly
wrong this is. The majority of scientists believed that blacks had
smaller brains but that did not make it true.

Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

Sid9

2014-02-22 15:50:03 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago, was that "Negroes" had smaller brains, and were thus subhuman. Today
all but the most ignorant racists understand just how utterly wrong this
is. The majority of scientists believed that blacks had smaller brains but
that did not make it true.
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

Idiot.

2014-02-22 15:58:01 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

The accepted scientific standard at any point in time is what it is, based on whatever the current consensus is. It may change tomorrow or next week or next year or next century, but they all go by what is accepted NOW, whether it was so yesterday or last week or last year or last century or not. Climate change, NOW, is the accepted scientific explanation for what's going on with the weather. Until there is a consensus built that it's due to something else, then the accepted scientific standard NOW is what it is, not what a handful of malcontents deliriously want everybody to believe to the contrary. The malcontents can be contrarian all they want in trying to prove their point to change any accepted scientific standards, but they first have to prove it before they can attain a consensus. Apparently, they haven't proved it, which is why there is no shift of a consensus towards their view.

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

Coming from someone who barely thinks at all himself and can barely properly articulate whatever random thoughts he does have, that's pretty funny.

r***@yahoo.com

2014-02-22 16:14:52 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago, was that "Negroes" had smaller brains, and were thus subhuman.
Today all but the most ignorant racists understand just how utterly
wrong this is. The majority of scientists believed that blacks had
smaller brains but that did not make it true.
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

Hartung posted, "The majority of scientists believed that blacks had smaller brains but that did not make it true."

And that opinion was based PARTLY on Biblical inferences.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6:9:And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

And with more concrete data acquired by conferences, publications, seminars, discussions, etc. the brain argument was proven false. Science IS a matter of consensus and change, as I disputed in your previous post.

Tell this to Spencer.

Man of Mind

2014-02-22 16:39:34 UTC

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

Good luck with that..

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

David Hartung

2014-02-22 16:57:39 UTC

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

No Kurt, I am not.

I am pointing out that what we call science is in the end, a search for
truth. Over the years, it has often been the skeptics who have
ultimately proven the consensus to be wrong. This is why scientists so
often avoid hard and fast statements. Honest scientist recognize that
they do not have all the answers and their writings will reflect this.

Mitchell Holman

2014-02-22 20:50:54 UTC

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

No Kurt, I am not.
I am pointing out that what we call science is in the end, a search for
truth. Over the years, it has often been the skeptics who have
ultimately proven the consensus to be wrong. This is why scientists so
often avoid hard and fast statements. Honest scientist recognize that
they do not have all the answers and their writings will reflect this.

TRue.

Only religionists stoop so low as to claim
they know all the answers and nothing will ever
change their minds.

"When each man was asked what would change his
mind about evolution and creationism, Nye said,
"we would just need one piece of evidence."

Ham said that no one would ever convince him
"the word of God is not true."

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20140204/NEWS01/302040111/Bill-Nye-
Ken-Ham-argue-how-universe-life-began

2014-02-22 20:59:34 UTC

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

No Kurt, I am not.
I am pointing out that what we call science is in the end, a search for
truth. Over the years, it has often been the skeptics who have
ultimately proven the consensus to be wrong. This is why scientists so
often avoid hard and fast statements. Honest scientist recognize that
they do not have all the answers and their writings will reflect this.

Can you count on one hand how many of those skeptics proved the consensus of anything wrong? Where there are irrefutable facts supported by the fundamental laws of math and physics, there's nothing to really question, until you can come up with a new set of laws of math and physics which no one has yet. Besides, science logically explains a lot of why and how things happen the way they do. Weather and climate are both easily explained by science, otherwise how could they arrive at close enough, if not dead-on, predictions of what the weather in your area will be like, not only for any given day but even any given hour? It doesn't take much beyond that to understand how climate change can happen. Only one who "chooses" to be dumb about the simplest of concepts can be bowled over by it.

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-23 00:00:02 UTC

In article <799ff3dc-4f2e-4ea7-a026-
***@googlegroups.com>
wy <***@myself.com> wrote:

The "compassion" of the sub-human negro knows no bounds.

NORMAN - A man Norman Police say killed a 5-month-old while he
watched the OU-OSU football game is now in custody in the
Cleveland County Jail.

An arrest warrant was issued for 22-year-old Tre'viance Markese
Walker Friday. Police say the child died in Walker's care while
he watched the Bedlam football game.

Neighbor Jimmy Shannon says Walker, his girlfriend and his
girlfriend's baby were living with Walker's aunt and uncle.
While everyone else was out running errands, Shannon says Walker
was supposed to take care of the baby, but he was upset with
OU's win and lashed out at the crying baby.

"The baby wouldn't stop crying so he went allegedly and picked
up the baby with such force as to snap the baby's neck," Shannon
said. Shannon went on to say that his neighbors told him Walker
lost $200 because of the Bedlam game and that's why he lashed
out.

Shannon says after everyone got home they found the baby
unresponsive and called police.

Police responded to the home in the 200 block of Willoway around
6:00 PM. The 6-month-old boy was taken to a local hospital where
he later died. According to the affidavit filed in Cleveland
County, the boy had trauma to his face and head and blood in his
right ear.

The report states Walker had the boy in his care starting at
1:35 PM until 2:30 PM. Walker initially claimed to have not
touched the boy during that time.

On December 9, an autopsy was performed where they reported also
finding bruising on the right side of his head and at the base
of his skull and a subdural hematoma on his brain. Hematomas are
typically the result of a serious head injury.

"The injury, considering the child was less than 6 months of
age, is indicative of either a shaking or jerking motion or a
dropping motion," said Capt. Tom Easley from the Norman Police
Department.

Two days later, detectives talked to Walker at his home where
they say he admitted to lying about his contact with the boy.
Besides shaking the baby, he also reportedly said he held him
tightly against his chest, gripping the back of his head with
his hand, before dropping him about two feet to the bottom of
the playpen.

"It's heart wrenching. It's disgusting, and it just makes me
sick to my stomach," said Shannon.

As of Monday the District Attorney's office says charges against
Walker weren't yet filed, but the arrest warrant was for murder
in the first degree.

http://www.okcfox.com/story/24233859/norman-man-accused-of-
murder-in-6-month-olds-death-arrested-in-lawton

--
For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
Obama twice was such a great idea, this baby's death is your
legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this savage black crime the
American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

David 1950

2014-02-23 00:59:08 UTC

"Norman Finkelstein" <***@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:***@dizum.com...
: In article <799ff3dc-4f2e-4ea7-a026-
: ***@googlegroups.com>
: wy <***@myself.com> wrote:
:
: The "compassion" of the sub-human negro knows no bounds.
:
: NORMAN - A man Norman Police say killed a 5-month-old while he
: watched the OU-OSU football game is now in custody in the
: Cleveland County Jail.
:
: An arrest warrant was issued for 22-year-old Tre'viance Markese
: Walker Friday. Police say the child died in Walker's care while
: he watched the Bedlam football game.
:
: Neighbor Jimmy Shannon says Walker, his girlfriend and his
: girlfriend's baby were living with Walker's aunt and uncle.
: While everyone else was out running errands, Shannon says Walker
: was supposed to take care of the baby, but he was upset with
: OU's win and lashed out at the crying baby.
:
: "The baby wouldn't stop crying so he went allegedly and picked
: up the baby with such force as to snap the baby's neck," Shannon
: said. Shannon went on to say that his neighbors told him Walker
: lost $200 because of the Bedlam game and that's why he lashed
: out.
:
: Shannon says after everyone got home they found the baby
: unresponsive and called police.
:
: Police responded to the home in the 200 block of Willoway around
: 6:00 PM. The 6-month-old boy was taken to a local hospital where
: he later died. According to the affidavit filed in Cleveland
: County, the boy had trauma to his face and head and blood in his
: right ear.
:
: The report states Walker had the boy in his care starting at
: 1:35 PM until 2:30 PM. Walker initially claimed to have not
: touched the boy during that time.
:
: On December 9, an autopsy was performed where they reported also
: finding bruising on the right side of his head and at the base
: of his skull and a subdural hematoma on his brain. Hematomas are
: typically the result of a serious head injury.
:
: "The injury, considering the child was less than 6 months of
: age, is indicative of either a shaking or jerking motion or a
: dropping motion," said Capt. Tom Easley from the Norman Police
: Department.
:
: Two days later, detectives talked to Walker at his home where
: they say he admitted to lying about his contact with the boy.
: Besides shaking the baby, he also reportedly said he held him
: tightly against his chest, gripping the back of his head with
: his hand, before dropping him about two feet to the bottom of
: the playpen.
:
: "It's heart wrenching. It's disgusting, and it just makes me
: sick to my stomach," said Shannon.
:
: As of Monday the District Attorney's office says charges against
: Walker weren't yet filed, but the arrest warrant was for murder
: in the first degree.
:
: http://www.okcfox.com/story/24233859/norman-man-accused-of-
: murder-in-6-month-olds-death-arrested-in-lawton
:
: --
: For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
: Obama twice was such a great idea, this baby's death is your
: legacy.
:
: Remind the racists at the DOJ about this savage black crime the
: American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.
:
: Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
: address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.
:

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-23 04:00:12 UTC

In article <lebh4u$e6d$***@dont-email.me>
"David 1950" <***@eternalsep.net> wrote:

FrontPageMagazine.com | 07/16/02 | David Horowitz
Posted on 7/16/2002 5:54:21 AM by What Is Ain't

We reported the story of the Wichita Massacre in these pages two
years ago at the time it happened. Outside the local Wichita
press, however, virtually the only media to report this hate
crime were Frontpagemagazine.com and the American Renaissance
newsletter. While the federal government rushes to Los Angeles
to investigate an incident in which a handcuffed youth was
slammed into the hood of a car and punched by an officer, a pall
of silence still blankets the horrendous racial murder of four
young people whose murderers are now on trial. The difference in
the responses to these two stories can hardly be attributed to
anything other than the skin color of the perpetrators and the
victims involved. Apparently the sexual torture and brutal
executions of four promising youngsters is of no interest to the
nation's moral guardians, because the victims happen to be white.

Stephen Webster's account of these events provides a revealing
window on the disturbing - not to say disgusting -- state of the
civil rights delusion in America. The U.S. Justice Department
has reported that 85% of all inter-racial violence in America is
committed by blacks against whites. But there are apparently no
black hate crimes; and there is certainly no white civil rights
movement to create sympathy for the victims.

Nor can there be one in the present atmosphere of racial
hypocrisy, where the mere expression of concern over attacks on
white people would itself make an individual a ripe target for
racial witch-hunters.

Because they are black, the Wichita killers have been protected
from national scrutiny and have not even been charged with a
hate crime. The entire apparatus of local government in Wichita -
abetted by the national press -- has worked overtime to keep
the public ignorant of what happened. If the truth came out, it
would threaten a national melodrama in which only blacks are
victims, only blacks are persecuted and only whites are racists.
Within the framework of this melodrama, the only acceptable
meaning of civil rights is retribution for blacks -- retribution
for any and every crime, real or imagined, ever suffered by
black people however remote in the past. "Reparations" is just
the nom de jour of the new civil rights package.

What would happen if, instead, we returned to the idea of
individual accountability, and gave up the totalitarian
fantasies of reparations and "social justice," in which
oppressed classes exact retribution from their age-old
oppressors? What if we returned to the real world in which
individuals commit indefensible misdemeanors (Los Angeles) and
monstrous crimes (Wichita)? What if we revived the idea of
making the punishment fit the actual deed? Think of all the
people who wouldn't know what to do with themselves if that were
to happen.

The fact is that the Wichita horror is but one of many
spectacular lynchings of white people by black racists, which
the nation's moral watchdogs choose to ignore.

Everybody in America, for example, knows who James Byrd is, and
that he was brutally murdered by three whites in Jasper Texas
four years ago. Byrd's lynchers offered him a lift in their
pickup truck, beat him and chained him and dragged him to his
death. An entire nation was outraged and guilty. The President
issued a statement, legislators wrung their hands and the media
keened over the inhumanity of the act and what it portended for
the country's future.

Four years later - this year in fact - a white man named Ken
Tillery, hitched a ride in Jasper, Texas. He was given a lift by
four black men who then murdered him to a deafening national
silence. Like Byrd, Tillery was held hostage and beaten. Then he
was run over and crushed to death. The copycat nature of the
crime made it a natural news story. But there was none, save a
modest account in the Houston Chronicle, to which nobody paid
any attention. This savagery was apparently nothing. The
pigments were politically incorrect. It was only some white guy,
whose ancestors probably owned slaves.

We make no apologies for expressing outrage over these facts or
printing the story of the Wichita slayings. We would like to see
the trial of these killers reported on Peter Jennings' World
News Tonight. We would like to see the story of the murders
retold on 60 Minutes or 48 Hours. We would like to see Spike Lee
direct a Hollywood feature or Jesse Jackson conduct a pilgrimage
to Kansas to plea for racial peace.

But we know these things won't happen. To begin with, Jesse
Jackson and Spike Lee don't have the moral intelligence to take
these steps. Nor does Peter Jennings. We're regret that this is
the case. But we are certain there will not be any bright future
for race relations in this country until silences like these are
broken.

--
For all you assbags who think blindly voting Democrat just
because you always have, these black on white hate murders are
your legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this black on white crime
the American liberal biased media has attempted to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

RichTravsky

2014-02-24 05:48:53 UTC

Post by wy

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

No Kurt, I am not.
I am pointing out that what we call science is in the end, a search for
truth. Over the years, it has often been the skeptics who have
ultimately proven the consensus to be wrong. This is why scientists so
often avoid hard and fast statements. Honest scientist recognize that
they do not have all the answers and their writings will reflect this.

Silence.

Man of Mind

2014-02-23 03:17:42 UTC

.....

Post by David Hartung
Science is not determined by majority vote.

As I understand, the accepted scientific understanding a hundred years
ago,

Again, that has been revised, by a majority vote..

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe

You're again falsely appealing to a belief to support your
contention/conjecture.

No Kurt, I am not.

Yes, David, you are. You're attempting to state as 'fact' what
someone other than yourself, with much more training and knowledge
than yourself, 'may believe'. You cannot authoritatively state
what "a majority of climate scientists may believe" as your premise.

It simply is but an appeal to belief, on your own behalf,
and utterly without merit in this instance.

Building on that, you incorporated another logical fallacy;

Post by David Hartung
I am pointing out that what we call science

I do not share in your appeal to "what we call science"
in that I am trained in such objective measurements and
the systems of analysis. You clearly aren't trained in
those disciplines, and have attempted a fallacy argument,
called 'an appeal to belief', a 'belief' that isn't fact.

Here's another example of that..

Post by David Hartung
Over the years, it has often been the skeptics who have
ultimately proven the consensus to be wrong.

No, that's completely wrong, and perhaps as upside down.

F'rinstance, Copernicus and his heliocentric solar system
model was opposed by many, besides those in the church,
and had much to overcome. In fact, a recent survey just
recently had 1 in four people unaware that the Earth
circles the Sun, so there's still much that could be
improved in our public schools to that end. Similarly,
I can post cites to an overwhelming amount of studies
that conclude that our global climate is 'warming',
and that the results of such may be equally overwhelming..

But, you'd prefer to generalize a false 'conclusion' from
your appeal to belief and 'supporting' anecdote, right?

Post by David Hartung
This is why scientists so often avoid hard and fast statements.

Because of "hard and fast statements" such as yours?

Post by David Hartung
Honest scientist recognize that they do not have all the
answers and their writings will reflect this.

*>LOL!<* I can tell by this example of yours that you seldom
if ever read any of the published 'science' out there about
our global climate changes, the species migrations, the
amounts of carbon dioxide (and other greenhhouse gases) that
can clearly attributed to the burning of 'fossil fuels',
including the radioactive carbon dating studies that confirm
that we are 'poor stewards' of this planet, and likely will
not survive our collective greed and stupidity, such as yours.

Good luck with that..

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-22 22:55:49 UTC

In article <leajrv$8gn$***@dont-email.me>
Man of Mind <***@gmail.com> wrote:

The "compassion" of the sub-human negro knows no bounds.

NORMAN - A man Norman Police say killed a 5-month-old while he
watched the OU-OSU football game is now in custody in the
Cleveland County Jail.

An arrest warrant was issued for 22-year-old Tre'viance Markese
Walker Friday. Police say the child died in Walker's care while
he watched the Bedlam football game.

Neighbor Jimmy Shannon says Walker, his girlfriend and his
girlfriend's baby were living with Walker's aunt and uncle.
While everyone else was out running errands, Shannon says Walker
was supposed to take care of the baby, but he was upset with
OU's win and lashed out at the crying baby.

"The baby wouldn't stop crying so he went allegedly and picked
up the baby with such force as to snap the baby's neck," Shannon
said. Shannon went on to say that his neighbors told him Walker
lost $200 because of the Bedlam game and that's why he lashed
out.

Shannon says after everyone got home they found the baby
unresponsive and called police.

Police responded to the home in the 200 block of Willoway around
6:00 PM. The 6-month-old boy was taken to a local hospital where
he later died. According to the affidavit filed in Cleveland
County, the boy had trauma to his face and head and blood in his
right ear.

The report states Walker had the boy in his care starting at
1:35 PM until 2:30 PM. Walker initially claimed to have not
touched the boy during that time.

On December 9, an autopsy was performed where they reported also
finding bruising on the right side of his head and at the base
of his skull and a subdural hematoma on his brain. Hematomas are
typically the result of a serious head injury.

"The injury, considering the child was less than 6 months of
age, is indicative of either a shaking or jerking motion or a
dropping motion," said Capt. Tom Easley from the Norman Police
Department.

Two days later, detectives talked to Walker at his home where
they say he admitted to lying about his contact with the boy.
Besides shaking the baby, he also reportedly said he held him
tightly against his chest, gripping the back of his head with
his hand, before dropping him about two feet to the bottom of
the playpen.

"It's heart wrenching. It's disgusting, and it just makes me
sick to my stomach," said Shannon.

As of Monday the District Attorney's office says charges against
Walker weren't yet filed, but the arrest warrant was for murder
in the first degree.

http://www.okcfox.com/story/24233859/norman-man-accused-of-
murder-in-6-month-olds-death-arrested-in-lawton

--
For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
Obama twice was such a great idea, this baby's death is your
legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this savage black crime the
American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

David 1950

2014-02-23 00:58:37 UTC

"Norman Finkelstein" <***@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:***@dizum.com...
: In article <leajrv$8gn$***@dont-email.me>
: Man of Mind <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:
: The "compassion" of the sub-human negro knows no bounds.
:
: NORMAN - A man Norman Police say killed a 5-month-old while he
: watched the OU-OSU football game is now in custody in the
: Cleveland County Jail.
:
: An arrest warrant was issued for 22-year-old Tre'viance Markese
: Walker Friday. Police say the child died in Walker's care while
: he watched the Bedlam football game.
:
: Neighbor Jimmy Shannon says Walker, his girlfriend and his
: girlfriend's baby were living with Walker's aunt and uncle.
: While everyone else was out running errands, Shannon says Walker
: was supposed to take care of the baby, but he was upset with
: OU's win and lashed out at the crying baby.
:
: "The baby wouldn't stop crying so he went allegedly and picked
: up the baby with such force as to snap the baby's neck," Shannon
: said. Shannon went on to say that his neighbors told him Walker
: lost $200 because of the Bedlam game and that's why he lashed
: out.
:
: Shannon says after everyone got home they found the baby
: unresponsive and called police.
:
: Police responded to the home in the 200 block of Willoway around
: 6:00 PM. The 6-month-old boy was taken to a local hospital where
: he later died. According to the affidavit filed in Cleveland
: County, the boy had trauma to his face and head and blood in his
: right ear.
:
: The report states Walker had the boy in his care starting at
: 1:35 PM until 2:30 PM. Walker initially claimed to have not
: touched the boy during that time.
:
: On December 9, an autopsy was performed where they reported also
: finding bruising on the right side of his head and at the base
: of his skull and a subdural hematoma on his brain. Hematomas are
: typically the result of a serious head injury.
:
: "The injury, considering the child was less than 6 months of
: age, is indicative of either a shaking or jerking motion or a
: dropping motion," said Capt. Tom Easley from the Norman Police
: Department.
:
: Two days later, detectives talked to Walker at his home where
: they say he admitted to lying about his contact with the boy.
: Besides shaking the baby, he also reportedly said he held him
: tightly against his chest, gripping the back of his head with
: his hand, before dropping him about two feet to the bottom of
: the playpen.
:
: "It's heart wrenching. It's disgusting, and it just makes me
: sick to my stomach," said Shannon.
:
: As of Monday the District Attorney's office says charges against
: Walker weren't yet filed, but the arrest warrant was for murder
: in the first degree.
:
: http://www.okcfox.com/story/24233859/norman-man-accused-of-
: murder-in-6-month-olds-death-arrested-in-lawton
:
: --
: For all you assbags who thought voting for that racist jackoff
: Obama twice was such a great idea, this baby's death is your
: legacy.
:
: Remind the racists at the DOJ about this savage black crime the
: American liberal biased media is attempting to obfuscate.
:
: Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
: address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.
:

Norman Finkelstein

2014-02-23 04:18:06 UTC

In article <lebh3v$e2l$***@dont-email.me>
"David 1950" <***@eternalsep.net> wrote:

FrontPageMagazine.com | 07/16/02 | David Horowitz
Posted on 7/16/2002 5:54:21 AM by What Is Ain't

We reported the story of the Wichita Massacre in these pages two
years ago at the time it happened. Outside the local Wichita
press, however, virtually the only media to report this hate
crime were Frontpagemagazine.com and the American Renaissance
newsletter. While the federal government rushes to Los Angeles
to investigate an incident in which a handcuffed youth was
slammed into the hood of a car and punched by an officer, a pall
of silence still blankets the horrendous racial murder of four
young people whose murderers are now on trial. The difference in
the responses to these two stories can hardly be attributed to
anything other than the skin color of the perpetrators and the
victims involved. Apparently the sexual torture and brutal
executions of four promising youngsters is of no interest to the
nation's moral guardians, because the victims happen to be white.

Stephen Webster's account of these events provides a revealing
window on the disturbing - not to say disgusting -- state of the
civil rights delusion in America. The U.S. Justice Department
has reported that 85% of all inter-racial violence in America is
committed by blacks against whites. But there are apparently no
black hate crimes; and there is certainly no white civil rights
movement to create sympathy for the victims.

Nor can there be one in the present atmosphere of racial
hypocrisy, where the mere expression of concern over attacks on
white people would itself make an individual a ripe target for
racial witch-hunters.

Because they are black, the Wichita killers have been protected
from national scrutiny and have not even been charged with a
hate crime. The entire apparatus of local government in Wichita -
abetted by the national press -- has worked overtime to keep
the public ignorant of what happened. If the truth came out, it
would threaten a national melodrama in which only blacks are
victims, only blacks are persecuted and only whites are racists.
Within the framework of this melodrama, the only acceptable
meaning of civil rights is retribution for blacks -- retribution
for any and every crime, real or imagined, ever suffered by
black people however remote in the past. "Reparations" is just
the nom de jour of the new civil rights package.

What would happen if, instead, we returned to the idea of
individual accountability, and gave up the totalitarian
fantasies of reparations and "social justice," in which
oppressed classes exact retribution from their age-old
oppressors? What if we returned to the real world in which
individuals commit indefensible misdemeanors (Los Angeles) and
monstrous crimes (Wichita)? What if we revived the idea of
making the punishment fit the actual deed? Think of all the
people who wouldn't know what to do with themselves if that were
to happen.

The fact is that the Wichita horror is but one of many
spectacular lynchings of white people by black racists, which
the nation's moral watchdogs choose to ignore.

Everybody in America, for example, knows who James Byrd is, and
that he was brutally murdered by three whites in Jasper Texas
four years ago. Byrd's lynchers offered him a lift in their
pickup truck, beat him and chained him and dragged him to his
death. An entire nation was outraged and guilty. The President
issued a statement, legislators wrung their hands and the media
keened over the inhumanity of the act and what it portended for
the country's future.

Four years later - this year in fact - a white man named Ken
Tillery, hitched a ride in Jasper, Texas. He was given a lift by
four black men who then murdered him to a deafening national
silence. Like Byrd, Tillery was held hostage and beaten. Then he
was run over and crushed to death. The copycat nature of the
crime made it a natural news story. But there was none, save a
modest account in the Houston Chronicle, to which nobody paid
any attention. This savagery was apparently nothing. The
pigments were politically incorrect. It was only some white guy,
whose ancestors probably owned slaves.

We make no apologies for expressing outrage over these facts or
printing the story of the Wichita slayings. We would like to see
the trial of these killers reported on Peter Jennings' World
News Tonight. We would like to see the story of the murders
retold on 60 Minutes or 48 Hours. We would like to see Spike Lee
direct a Hollywood feature or Jesse Jackson conduct a pilgrimage
to Kansas to plea for racial peace.

But we know these things won't happen. To begin with, Jesse
Jackson and Spike Lee don't have the moral intelligence to take
these steps. Nor does Peter Jennings. We're regret that this is
the case. But we are certain there will not be any bright future
for race relations in this country until silences like these are
broken.

--
For all you assbags who think blindly voting Democrat just
because you always have, these black on white hate murders are
your legacy.

Remind the racists at the DOJ about this black on white crime
the American liberal biased media has attempted to obfuscate.

Email the Eric Holder ("report Zimmerman for racism" DOJ email
address) racist club at: ***@usdoj.gov.

2014-02-22 20:52:25 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Accepted scientific understanding is based on an accumulation of knowledge that reaches a consensus of fact, often irrefutable fact supported by history, math, physics and anything else that one can't refute. What's not accepted scientific understanding are those things that are still unanswered by irrefutable fact. The fact exists that even a change in temperature of one degree, compounded by a build-up of carbon dioxide to over 400 ppm now, inevitably leads to climatic changes. Whether it's cyclical or not is irrelevant, the fact is that it happens and so is the change in climate as a result of what can cause it to happen. That's where the accepted scientific understanding lies, rooted in all the science that goes into understanding how and why it happens that way. There's nothing this idiot Spencer says that dispels any of that as fact. But do feel free to point to exactly what he does say that does dispel it.

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

This coming from someone who suffers from an impotence in properly articulating his random thoughts.

Wexford

2014-02-23 00:48:08 UTC

Post by wy

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

Post by David Hartung
Today, the fact that a majority of climate scientists may believe the
"global Warming" hoopla, does not mean that it is the truth. Think about it.

This coming from someone who suffers from an impotence in properly articulating his random thoughts.

I still don't understand the hostility wing nuts have to the issue of global wearing. If we act as if global warming is for real, and we deal with it by conserving our resources and engineering better, more efficient vehicles, homes, and factories, and that in turn reduces our dependence on fossil fuels and consequently our dependence on oil we're forced to buy from peoples who utterly hate us, then what's wrong with that? Why is gas guzzling better? Why is dirty air and polluted water better? If it turns out that the scientists were wrong about global warming yet we emerge with a cleaner, more effective and efficient use of traditional fuels and of alternative means of producing energy, then how have we been hurt? Can any wing-nut out there explains that?

v***@gmail.com

2014-02-23 17:55:03 UTC

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

No it is peer reviewed. Something the Corporate whores Global warming deniers are not

David Hartung

2014-02-24 01:03:06 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by r***@yahoo.com
And you have no rebuttal to the fact that Spencer is one of a very small minority.

Science is not determined by majority vote.

No it is peer reviewed.

True, but peer review can also be a means for stifling differing views.

Post by v***@gmail.com
Something the Corporate whores Global warming deniers are not

Perhaps you could support this?

2014-02-24 01:52:59 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com