Boris has resigned

As per title.

Who next I wonder?

Norman Wells

2018-07-09 14:25:34 UTC

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

More to the point, what will they do?

dolf

2018-07-09 14:46:28 UTC

Q. What is a “cesspool of political bias”?

A. Essentially it is a mafia {ie. any small powerful or influential #123 -
GROUP in an #369 - ORGANISATION or field; clique such as SAINT ANDREWS
CAUSE CÉLÈBRE} which places a prerogative upon subjectivism {#114 / #342}
within the pious construct {#78 / #234 and #99 / #297} as the #288 -
ADVANCEMENT of unconscionable collectivism {ie. #231 - JUXTAPOSITION
CONTROL} by conduct of detrude.

There are several legal issues involved with respects to [the] Saint
Andrews Cause Célèbre participated in by the representatives of the
Returned Service League as Public Authority and the nature of its
association to a FOREIGN POWER as a group named KNIGHTS TEMPLARS
INTERNATIONAL which formed within 2015 and comprises various: RELIGIONS /
STATES / MILITARY / ORGANISATIONS / INSTITUTIONS as unconscionable attempts
made by them to impose a substituted ethic @5 against the INTELLECTUS AS
GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS whether by NEGLECT or forced WILL upon our War Dead
and to usurp @1 the Sovereignty embodied within the Governor General as
ANTHROPIC COSMOLOGICAL PRINCIPLE.

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[IMAGES: THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR INTERNATIONAL AS SAINT ANDREWS CAUSE CÉLÈBRE
HAS A SUBSTITUTED ETHOS AS MANTRA: "FOR THOSE BRAVE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES SO
WE COULD LIVE OURS"]

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

More to the point, what will they do?

Whilst it may continue to function as an acceptable METHODOLOGY {ARCH KAI
TELOS OIDA: #1 + #2 + #3 +#4 = #10} with an encapsulated sphere of
operation {

41 1 57
49 33 17
9 65 25 = #99 / #297 {#ONE}

42 2 58
50 34 18
10 66 26 = #102 / #306 {#TWO}

43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}

#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);

44 4 60
52 36 20
12 68 28 = #108 / #324 {#FOUR}

#419 as [#2, #1, #6, #400, #10] = 'avvah (H185): {#0 as #12 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH*/ *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #FOUR: #108 / #324} 1) desire, lust, will (not necessarily
evil);

49 9 65
57 41 25
17 73 33 = #123 / #369 {#NINE} AS IT'S NATURAL PROGRESSION {#1 / #73
SUBSTITUTION}

#473 as #40, #400, #1, #2, #30 = abal (H56): {#0 as #33} 1) to mourn,
lament; 1a) (Qal) to mourn, lament; 1a1) of humans; 1a2) of inanimate
objects (fig.); 1a2a) of gates; 1a2b) of land; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to mourn,
cause to mourn (fig.); 1c) (Hithpael); 1c1) to mourn; 1c2) *PLAY* *THE*
*MOURNER*;

#473 as #20, #3, #50, #400 = gannah (H1593): {#1 as #58} 1) *GARDEN*,
orchard;

#473 as #6, #400, #7, #2, #8, #10, #40 = zabach (H2076): {#2 as #17} 1)
*TO* *SLAUGHTER*, *KILL*, *SACRIFICE*, *SLAUGHTER* *FOR* *SACRIFICE*; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to slaughter for sacrifice; 1a2) to slaughter for eating; 1a3)
to slaughter in divine judgment; 1b) (Piel) to sacrifice, offer sacrifice;

#473 as #5, #80, #8, #100, #20, #5, #200, #5, #50 = eparkeo (G1884): {#12
as #1011} 1) to avail or be strong enough for; 1a) to ward off or drive
away, a thing for another's advantage; 1a1) *A* *THING* *FROM* *ANYONE*,
*TO* *DEFEND*; 1b) to aid, give assistance, relieve; 1b1) *TO* *GIVE* *AID*
*FROM* *ONE'S* *OWN* *RESOURCES*;

#473 as #20, #1, #300, #1, #100, #1, #50 = katara (G2671): {#13 as #423} 1)
an execration, imprecation, *CURSE*;

74 81 76
79 77 75
78 73 80 = #231 - #123 = #108 / #693 - #369 = #324 {#TEN} AS RETURN TO
GRECO-ROMAN MAGIC SQUARE BEING ITSELF

}, it is entirely a specious notion to declare it is the root and causal
basis of the perennialist philosophical tradition.

In whatever circumstance, it is capable of being hosted upon the
INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS as it's mechanism for delivery and
staging which then becomes an acute and risky precipice consideration that
is accorded entirely by my Intellectual Property and thusly my reasonable
objection has always been ROMAN CATHOLICS / FREEMASONRY imposing {#17 / #33
- #INR / #65 - SOLDIER} a @5 - substituted HETEROS ethic upon our {#390 /
#288 / #419} war dead and usurping the @1 - SOVEREIGNTY of the #391 -
HOMOIOS basis to our Commonwealth's Governance which is defined as a
PRINCIPLE that is circumscribed {#13 / #21 / #37} by Queen Victoria's
Letters Patent of 17 September 1900 as the instrumentation of Federation
into a nation.

@1 - #17 - 2017
@2 - #33 - #INR
@3 - #65 - SOLDIER
@4 - #390 - WREATHS / CROWN / AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776

#390 as [#5, #90, #80, #10, #200, #5] = tsephiyrah (H6843): {#8 as #385 %
#41 = #16} 1) plait, chaplet, *WREATH*, *CROWN*; 1a) plait, coronet,
*DIADEM*;

"But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover:
will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews {#INR}?

Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas {son of
shame, confusion as Babylon / Babel, incongruity; confusion; mixture as
A-U-M: #15 CE ... #34 CE ... #65 CE ... #111 CE ... #175 CE ... #260 CE (64
meta descriptor prototypes) ... #369 CE (encapsulated use of those
prototypes to define #81 elements) as opposite to congruity and
ratiocination}. Now Barabbas was a robber {cf: #390 - ROBBERS / SAINT
ANDREWS DAY of 30 NOVEMBER: <http://www.grapple369.com?date:2017.11.30> }."
[John 18:31-40 (KJV)]

G724@{
@1: Sup: 1 (#1); Ego: 1 (#1),
@2: Sup: 20 (#21); Ego: 19 (#20),
@3: Sup: 19 (#40); Ego: 80 (#100),
@4: Sup: 20 (#60); Ego: 1 (#101),
@5: Sup: 23 (#83); Ego: 3 (#104),
@6: Sup: 31 (#114); Ego: 8 (#112),
@7: Sup: 69 (#183); Ego: 38 (#150),
Male: #183; Feme: #150
} // #393

<-- LATER INCLUSION OF 21 APRIL 2018 WHICH CONFIRMS MY INTUITION OF 31 JULY
2017

T'AI HSÜAN CHING {POLAR OPPOSITIONS / INTERPLAY OF OPPOSITES} [4 BCE]:

UMBRA: #193 % #41 = #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 -
Suppression of the Light, Sinking/Darkening of the Light, Brilliance
injured, Intelligence hidden; Tetra: 67 - Darkening;

THOTH MEASURE: #29 - Oh Kenemtu, who makest thine appearance in Kenemit;
*I* *AM* *NOT* *GIVEN* *TO* *CURSING*.

    #VIRTUE: With Decisiveness (no. #29), numerous affairs, but
    #TOOLS: With Exhaustion (no. #69), not a single happiness.
    #POSITION: With Change (no. #28), creating the new.
    #TIME: With Constancy (no. #51), cleaving to the old.
    #CANON: #177

#393 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #8, #200] = harpage (G724): {#7 as #193 %
#41 = #29} 1) the act of plundering, robbery; 2) plunder spoil; 3) pillage
(properly abstract):--extortion; 4) ravening: (of a ferocious wild animal)
extremely hungry and hunting for prey; 5) spoiling

#334 as [#20, #300, #4, #10] = Chaldeans; Chaldea; astrologers; magician
{ie. *AS* *DEMONS*, *OR* *AS* *ROBBERS*;

#5 as #PHALLUS = #360 / #72 or #365 / #73 = #5 + 5x5 = #25 / #65 / Usurper:
@1 / Mystery: #26 {*YHWH*} / Leader: #325 / Regulator: #390 / General
Governor: #780 / 2 = #390 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200] as harpax
(G727): {#11 as #242 % #41 = #78} 1) *RAPACIOUS*, ravenous; 2) *A*
*EXTORTIONER*, *A* *ROBBER* or #365 / #5 = #73}

@5 - #288 - UMBRA / BEERSHEBA / 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 (HETEROS)
@6 - #419 - SLAUGHTER
@7 - #391 - HOMOIOS
@8 - #13 - Letters Patent
@9 - #21 - Bequeathed to Sovereign Heirs in perpetuity

@10 - #37 - Non-Deeming Action, Government Administration; I-Ching: H40 -
Release, Deliverance, Taking-Apart, Untangled; Tetra: 21 - Release;

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

Which as DATA SET knowledge provided by the HEBREW / GREEK Biblical lexicon
being the CATEGORIES OF UNDERSTANDING as coming into my possession as
expressed by a time stamped @ 2019 HOURS ON 28 JULY 2011, then had a
confirmation to its existence within my possession only upon 19 MAY 2016 in
having at such prior time been DATA MINED by my own undertaking and
ingenuity in being sourced from a *FOREIGN* *AGENT* named RICHARD AMIEL
MCGOUGH, whom is well educated within mathematics and quantum physics and
currently a software engineer at 4QTRS within YAKIMA, WASHINGTON, UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA and this occurred following his debunked BIBLE WHEEL
PROJECT (2001-2011) as research MATERIAL which accompanied a selective
computed #288 - UMBRA by contrived GEMATRIA value being a DATA MANIPULATION
that whilst initially obscured by myself, regardlessly conveyed a clear
MENS REA {ie. the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes
part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused} of
defeasance (French: défaire, to undo) which within law, is an instrument
which defeats the force or operation of some other deed or estate; as
distinguished from condition, that which in the same deed is called a
condition is a defeasance in another deed. Thusly irrefutably sustains the
gravitas of my claim as to there being tangibility by ACTUS REUS {ie.
action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to
the mental state of the accused} and therefore reasonable concerns for my
safety, wellbeing and security.
--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTASIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS

dolf

2018-07-09 15:02:44 UTC

My neighbour is a bully boy for this covert political activism which I
brought before the courts on 31 July 2017 (over which they will not take
appropriate action as futile as pissing in the wind) for which I am
presently preparing lawyers instructions for several county court appeals
which have been adjourned to 21 January 2019.

If I get any further incidents such as hammered windows to my car I am
going to make a submission to the court for an arrest warrant and refusal
of bail.

Post by dolf
Q. What is a “cesspool of political bias”?
A. Essentially it is a mafia {ie. any small powerful or influential #123 -
GROUP in an #369 - ORGANISATION or field; clique such as SAINT ANDREWS
CAUSE CÉLÈBRE} which places a prerogative upon subjectivism {#114 / #342}
within the pious construct {#78 / #234 and #99 / #297} as the #288 -
ADVANCEMENT of unconscionable collectivism {ie. #231 - JUXTAPOSITION
CONTROL} by conduct of detrude.
There are several legal issues involved with respects to [the] Saint
Andrews Cause Célèbre participated in by the representatives of the
Returned Service League as Public Authority and the nature of its
association to a FOREIGN POWER as a group named KNIGHTS TEMPLARS
INTERNATIONAL which formed within 2015 and comprises various: RELIGIONS /
STATES / MILITARY / ORGANISATIONS / INSTITUTIONS as unconscionable attempts
GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS whether by NEGLECT or forced WILL upon our War Dead
ANTHROPIC COSMOLOGICAL PRINCIPLE.
<http://www.grapple369.com/images/Templar%20Saint%20Andrews.JPG>
<http://www.grapple369.com/images/Knights%20Mantra.jpg>
[IMAGES: THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR INTERNATIONAL AS SAINT ANDREWS CAUSE CÉLÈBRE
HAS A SUBSTITUTED ETHOS AS MANTRA: "FOR THOSE BRAVE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES SO
WE COULD LIVE OURS"]

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

More to the point, what will they do?

Whilst it may continue to function as an acceptable METHODOLOGY {ARCH KAI
TELOS OIDA: #1 + #2 + #3 +#4 = #10} with an encapsulated sphere of
operation {
41 1 57
49 33 17
9 65 25 = #99 / #297 {#ONE}
42 2 58
50 34 18
10 66 26 = #102 / #306 {#TWO}
43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}
#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);
44 4 60
52 36 20
12 68 28 = #108 / #324 {#FOUR}
#419 as [#2, #1, #6, #400, #10] = 'avvah (H185): {#0 as #12 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH*/ *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #FOUR: #108 / #324} 1) desire, lust, will (not necessarily
evil);
49 9 65
57 41 25
17 73 33 = #123 / #369 {#NINE} AS IT'S NATURAL PROGRESSION {#1 / #73
SUBSTITUTION}
#473 as #40, #400, #1, #2, #30 = abal (H56): {#0 as #33} 1) to mourn,
lament; 1a) (Qal) to mourn, lament; 1a1) of humans; 1a2) of inanimate
objects (fig.); 1a2a) of gates; 1a2b) of land; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to mourn,
cause to mourn (fig.); 1c) (Hithpael); 1c1) to mourn; 1c2) *PLAY* *THE*
*MOURNER*;
#473 as #20, #3, #50, #400 = gannah (H1593): {#1 as #58} 1) *GARDEN*,
orchard;
#473 as #6, #400, #7, #2, #8, #10, #40 = zabach (H2076): {#2 as #17} 1)
*TO* *SLAUGHTER*, *KILL*, *SACRIFICE*, *SLAUGHTER* *FOR* *SACRIFICE*; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to slaughter for sacrifice; 1a2) to slaughter for eating; 1a3)
to slaughter in divine judgment; 1b) (Piel) to sacrifice, offer sacrifice;
#473 as #5, #80, #8, #100, #20, #5, #200, #5, #50 = eparkeo (G1884): {#12
as #1011} 1) to avail or be strong enough for; 1a) to ward off or drive
away, a thing for another's advantage; 1a1) *A* *THING* *FROM* *ANYONE*,
*TO* *DEFEND*; 1b) to aid, give assistance, relieve; 1b1) *TO* *GIVE* *AID*
*FROM* *ONE'S* *OWN* *RESOURCES*;
#473 as #20, #1, #300, #1, #100, #1, #50 = katara (G2671): {#13 as #423} 1)
an execration, imprecation, *CURSE*;
74 81 76
79 77 75
78 73 80 = #231 - #123 = #108 / #693 - #369 = #324 {#TEN} AS RETURN TO
GRECO-ROMAN MAGIC SQUARE BEING ITSELF
}, it is entirely a specious notion to declare it is the root and causal
basis of the perennialist philosophical tradition.
In whatever circumstance, it is capable of being hosted upon the
INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS as it's mechanism for delivery and
staging which then becomes an acute and risky precipice consideration that
is accorded entirely by my Intellectual Property and thusly my reasonable
objection has always been ROMAN CATHOLICS / FREEMASONRY imposing {#17 / #33
HOMOIOS basis to our Commonwealth's Governance which is defined as a
PRINCIPLE that is circumscribed {#13 / #21 / #37} by Queen Victoria's
Letters Patent of 17 September 1900 as the instrumentation of Federation
into a nation.
@1 - #17 - 2017
@2 - #33 - #INR
@3 - #65 - SOLDIER
@4 - #390 - WREATHS / CROWN / AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776
#390 as [#5, #90, #80, #10, #200, #5] = tsephiyrah (H6843): {#8 as #385 %
#41 = #16} 1) plait, chaplet, *WREATH*, *CROWN*; 1a) plait, coronet,
*DIADEM*;
will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews {#INR}?
Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas {son of
shame, confusion as Babylon / Babel, incongruity; confusion; mixture as
A-U-M: #15 CE ... #34 CE ... #65 CE ... #111 CE ... #175 CE ... #260 CE (64
meta descriptor prototypes) ... #369 CE (encapsulated use of those
prototypes to define #81 elements) as opposite to congruity and
ratiocination}. Now Barabbas was a robber {cf: #390 - ROBBERS / SAINT
ANDREWS DAY of 30 NOVEMBER: <http://www.grapple369.com?date:2017.11.30> }."
[John 18:31-40 (KJV)]
@1: Sup: 1 (#1); Ego: 1 (#1),
@2: Sup: 20 (#21); Ego: 19 (#20),
@3: Sup: 19 (#40); Ego: 80 (#100),
@4: Sup: 20 (#60); Ego: 1 (#101),
@5: Sup: 23 (#83); Ego: 3 (#104),
@6: Sup: 31 (#114); Ego: 8 (#112),
@7: Sup: 69 (#183); Ego: 38 (#150),
Male: #183; Feme: #150
} // #393
<-- LATER INCLUSION OF 21 APRIL 2018 WHICH CONFIRMS MY INTUITION OF 31 JULY
2017
UMBRA: #193 % #41 = #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 -
Suppression of the Light, Sinking/Darkening of the Light, Brilliance
injured, Intelligence hidden; Tetra: 67 - Darkening;
THOTH MEASURE: #29 - Oh Kenemtu, who makest thine appearance in Kenemit;
*I* *AM* *NOT* *GIVEN* *TO* *CURSING*.
    #VIRTUE: With Decisiveness (no. #29), numerous affairs, but
    #TOOLS: With Exhaustion (no. #69), not a single happiness.
    #POSITION: With Change (no. #28), creating the new.
    #TIME: With Constancy (no. #51), cleaving to the old.
    #CANON: #177
#393 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #8, #200] = harpage (G724): {#7 as #193 %
#41 = #29} 1) the act of plundering, robbery; 2) plunder spoil; 3) pillage
(properly abstract):--extortion; 4) ravening: (of a ferocious wild animal)
extremely hungry and hunting for prey; 5) spoiling
#334 as [#20, #300, #4, #10] = Chaldeans; Chaldea; astrologers; magician
{ie. *AS* *DEMONS*, *OR* *AS* *ROBBERS*;
@1 / Mystery: #26 {*YHWH*} / Leader: #325 / Regulator: #390 / General
Governor: #780 / 2 = #390 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200] as harpax
(G727): {#11 as #242 % #41 = #78} 1) *RAPACIOUS*, ravenous; 2) *A*
*EXTORTIONER*, *A* *ROBBER* or #365 / #5 = #73}
@5 - #288 - UMBRA / BEERSHEBA / 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 (HETEROS)
@6 - #419 - SLAUGHTER
@7 - #391 - HOMOIOS
@8 - #13 - Letters Patent
@9 - #21 - Bequeathed to Sovereign Heirs in perpetuity
@10 - #37 - Non-Deeming Action, Government Administration; I-Ching: H40 -
Release, Deliverance, Taking-Apart, Untangled; Tetra: 21 - Release;
The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."
That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.
<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>
Which as DATA SET knowledge provided by the HEBREW / GREEK Biblical lexicon
being the CATEGORIES OF UNDERSTANDING as coming into my possession as
confirmation to its existence within my possession only upon 19 MAY 2016 in
having at such prior time been DATA MINED by my own undertaking and
ingenuity in being sourced from a *FOREIGN* *AGENT* named RICHARD AMIEL
MCGOUGH, whom is well educated within mathematics and quantum physics and
currently a software engineer at 4QTRS within YAKIMA, WASHINGTON, UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA and this occurred following his debunked BIBLE WHEEL
PROJECT (2001-2011) as research MATERIAL which accompanied a selective
computed #288 - UMBRA by contrived GEMATRIA value being a DATA MANIPULATION
that whilst initially obscured by myself, regardlessly conveyed a clear
MENS REA {ie. the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes
part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused} of
defeasance (French: défaire, to undo) which within law, is an instrument
which defeats the force or operation of some other deed or estate; as
distinguished from condition, that which in the same deed is called a
condition is a defeasance in another deed. Thusly irrefutably sustains the
gravitas of my claim as to there being tangibility by ACTUS REUS {ie.
action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to
the mental state of the accused} and therefore reasonable concerns for my
safety, wellbeing and security.

--
YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

http://youtu.be/H-7OuqWi4vQ

SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTASIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS

dolf

2018-07-09 15:16:26 UTC

SOLUTION TO #288 - UMBRA is the ONTIC markers as THOTH measures, upon
SEPTET #369 driver as basis for SAPIENT ECONOMY and that will solve your
ISLAMIC TERRORISM problems as well because they cannot (that is my
reasonable view) penetrate the underlying stratum which provides the
equitable mathematical distribution of number which facilitates voluntary
autonomy of will.

YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

http://youtu.be/H-7OuqWi4vQ

- dolf

Post by dolf
My neighbour is a bully boy for this covert political activism which I
brought before the courts on 31 July 2017 (over which they will not take
appropriate action as futile as pissing in the wind) for which I am
presently preparing lawyers instructions for several county court appeals
which have been adjourned to 21 January 2019.
If I get any further incidents such as hammered windows to my car I am
going to make a submission to the court for an arrest warrant and refusal
of bail.

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

More to the point, what will they do?

Whilst it may continue to function as an acceptable METHODOLOGY {ARCH KAI
TELOS OIDA: #1 + #2 + #3 +#4 = #10} with an encapsulated sphere of
operation {
41 1 57
49 33 17
9 65 25 = #99 / #297 {#ONE}
42 2 58
50 34 18
10 66 26 = #102 / #306 {#TWO}
43 3 59
51 35 19
11 67 27 = #105 / #315 {#THREE}
#419 as [#9, #2, #8, #400] = tabach (H2873): {#2 as #19 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #THREE: #105 / #315} 1) to slaughter, slay, butcher, kill
ruthlessly; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to slaughter, butcher; 1a2) to slay, kill
ruthlessly (figurative);
44 4 60
52 36 20
12 68 28 = #108 / #324 {#FOUR}
#419 as [#2, #1, #6, #400, #10] = 'avvah (H185): {#0 as #12 *INTERFERENCE*
*MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH*/ *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL* *EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE*
*PROTOTYPE* #FOUR: #108 / #324} 1) desire, lust, will (not necessarily
evil);
49 9 65
57 41 25
17 73 33 = #123 / #369 {#NINE} AS IT'S NATURAL PROGRESSION {#1 / #73
SUBSTITUTION}
#473 as #40, #400, #1, #2, #30 = abal (H56): {#0 as #33} 1) to mourn,
lament; 1a) (Qal) to mourn, lament; 1a1) of humans; 1a2) of inanimate
objects (fig.); 1a2a) of gates; 1a2b) of land; 1b) (Hiphil); 1b1) to mourn,
cause to mourn (fig.); 1c) (Hithpael); 1c1) to mourn; 1c2) *PLAY* *THE*
*MOURNER*;
#473 as #20, #3, #50, #400 = gannah (H1593): {#1 as #58} 1) *GARDEN*,
orchard;
#473 as #6, #400, #7, #2, #8, #10, #40 = zabach (H2076): {#2 as #17} 1)
*TO* *SLAUGHTER*, *KILL*, *SACRIFICE*, *SLAUGHTER* *FOR* *SACRIFICE*; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to slaughter for sacrifice; 1a2) to slaughter for eating; 1a3)
to slaughter in divine judgment; 1b) (Piel) to sacrifice, offer sacrifice;
#473 as #5, #80, #8, #100, #20, #5, #200, #5, #50 = eparkeo (G1884): {#12
as #1011} 1) to avail or be strong enough for; 1a) to ward off or drive
away, a thing for another's advantage; 1a1) *A* *THING* *FROM* *ANYONE*,
*TO* *DEFEND*; 1b) to aid, give assistance, relieve; 1b1) *TO* *GIVE* *AID*
*FROM* *ONE'S* *OWN* *RESOURCES*;
#473 as #20, #1, #300, #1, #100, #1, #50 = katara (G2671): {#13 as #423} 1)
an execration, imprecation, *CURSE*;
74 81 76
79 77 75
78 73 80 = #231 - #123 = #108 / #693 - #369 = #324 {#TEN} AS RETURN TO
GRECO-ROMAN MAGIC SQUARE BEING ITSELF
}, it is entirely a specious notion to declare it is the root and causal
basis of the perennialist philosophical tradition.
In whatever circumstance, it is capable of being hosted upon the
INTELLECTUS AS GENITIVE VOLUNTĀTUS as it's mechanism for delivery and
staging which then becomes an acute and risky precipice consideration that
is accorded entirely by my Intellectual Property and thusly my reasonable
objection has always been ROMAN CATHOLICS / FREEMASONRY imposing {#17 / #33
HOMOIOS basis to our Commonwealth's Governance which is defined as a
PRINCIPLE that is circumscribed {#13 / #21 / #37} by Queen Victoria's
Letters Patent of 17 September 1900 as the instrumentation of Federation
into a nation.
@1 - #17 - 2017
@2 - #33 - #INR
@3 - #65 - SOLDIER
@4 - #390 - WREATHS / CROWN / AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE 4 JULY 1776
#390 as [#5, #90, #80, #10, #200, #5] = tsephiyrah (H6843): {#8 as #385 %
#41 = #16} 1) plait, chaplet, *WREATH*, *CROWN*; 1a) plait, coronet,
*DIADEM*;
will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews {#INR}?
Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas {son of
shame, confusion as Babylon / Babel, incongruity; confusion; mixture as
A-U-M: #15 CE ... #34 CE ... #65 CE ... #111 CE ... #175 CE ... #260 CE (64
meta descriptor prototypes) ... #369 CE (encapsulated use of those
prototypes to define #81 elements) as opposite to congruity and
ratiocination}. Now Barabbas was a robber {cf: #390 - ROBBERS / SAINT
ANDREWS DAY of 30 NOVEMBER: <http://www.grapple369.com?date:2017.11.30> }."
[John 18:31-40 (KJV)]
@1: Sup: 1 (#1); Ego: 1 (#1),
@2: Sup: 20 (#21); Ego: 19 (#20),
@3: Sup: 19 (#40); Ego: 80 (#100),
@4: Sup: 20 (#60); Ego: 1 (#101),
@5: Sup: 23 (#83); Ego: 3 (#104),
@6: Sup: 31 (#114); Ego: 8 (#112),
@7: Sup: 69 (#183); Ego: 38 (#150),
Male: #183; Feme: #150
} // #393
<-- LATER INCLUSION OF 21 APRIL 2018 WHICH CONFIRMS MY INTUITION OF 31 JULY
2017
UMBRA: #193 % #41 = #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 -
Suppression of the Light, Sinking/Darkening of the Light, Brilliance
injured, Intelligence hidden; Tetra: 67 - Darkening;
THOTH MEASURE: #29 - Oh Kenemtu, who makest thine appearance in Kenemit;
*I* *AM* *NOT* *GIVEN* *TO* *CURSING*.
    #VIRTUE: With Decisiveness (no. #29), numerous affairs, but
    #TOOLS: With Exhaustion (no. #69), not a single happiness.
    #POSITION: With Change (no. #28), creating the new.
    #TIME: With Constancy (no. #51), cleaving to the old.
    #CANON: #177
#393 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #8, #200] = harpage (G724): {#7 as #193 %
#41 = #29} 1) the act of plundering, robbery; 2) plunder spoil; 3) pillage
(properly abstract):--extortion; 4) ravening: (of a ferocious wild animal)
extremely hungry and hunting for prey; 5) spoiling
#334 as [#20, #300, #4, #10] = Chaldeans; Chaldea; astrologers; magician
{ie. *AS* *DEMONS*, *OR* *AS* *ROBBERS*;
@1 / Mystery: #26 {*YHWH*} / Leader: #325 / Regulator: #390 / General
Governor: #780 / 2 = #390 as [#1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200] as harpax
(G727): {#11 as #242 % #41 = #78} 1) *RAPACIOUS*, ravenous; 2) *A*
*EXTORTIONER*, *A* *ROBBER* or #365 / #5 = #73}
@5 - #288 - UMBRA / BEERSHEBA / 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 (HETEROS)
@6 - #419 - SLAUGHTER
@7 - #391 - HOMOIOS
@8 - #13 - Letters Patent
@9 - #21 - Bequeathed to Sovereign Heirs in perpetuity
@10 - #37 - Non-Deeming Action, Government Administration; I-Ching: H40 -
Release, Deliverance, Taking-Apart, Untangled; Tetra: 21 - Release;
The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."
That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.
<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>
Which as DATA SET knowledge provided by the HEBREW / GREEK Biblical lexicon
being the CATEGORIES OF UNDERSTANDING as coming into my possession as
confirmation to its existence within my possession only upon 19 MAY 2016 in
having at such prior time been DATA MINED by my own undertaking and
ingenuity in being sourced from a *FOREIGN* *AGENT* named RICHARD AMIEL
MCGOUGH, whom is well educated within mathematics and quantum physics and
currently a software engineer at 4QTRS within YAKIMA, WASHINGTON, UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA and this occurred following his debunked BIBLE WHEEL
PROJECT (2001-2011) as research MATERIAL which accompanied a selective
computed #288 - UMBRA by contrived GEMATRIA value being a DATA MANIPULATION
that whilst initially obscured by myself, regardlessly conveyed a clear
MENS REA {ie. the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes
part of a crime, as opposed to the action or conduct of the accused} of
defeasance (French: défaire, to undo) which within law, is an instrument
which defeats the force or operation of some other deed or estate; as
distinguished from condition, that which in the same deed is called a
condition is a defeasance in another deed. Thusly irrefutably sustains the
gravitas of my claim as to there being tangibility by ACTUS REUS {ie.
action or conduct which is a constituent element of a crime, as opposed to
the mental state of the accused} and therefore reasonable concerns for my
safety, wellbeing and security.

Peter

2018-07-10 01:59:28 UTC

cause célèbre
noun: A controversial issue that attracts a great deal of public attention.

*nobody* has heard of your imaginary "cause célèbre" and nobody would
care about it even if they had. Even the flat earth/fake moon landing
conspiracy crowd woudn't be able to stomach your impenetrable hokum.

dolf

2018-07-10 02:57:17 UTC

Officer In Charge
SALE Police
1-11 Reeve Street
Sale Victoria

10 July 2018

***@zen: 4, row: 3, col: 8, nous: 54 [Date: 2018.7.10, Super: #313 /
#73 - Employing Deeming, Daring to Act; I-Ching: H46 - Climbing,
Moving/Pushing Upward, Ascending; Tetra: 7 - Ascent, Ego: #315 / #54 -
Culturing Perspectives and Intuition; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance, Abounding,
Fullness; Tetra: 45 - Greatness]

I have presented evidence to the Sale Magistrates Court in relation to an
Application for an Intervention and Personal Safety Order and have
previously advised my neighbour on 24 March 2018 accordingly that all such
*PERVERSE* intrusions of *RUSHING* *UPON* {

{
'xlit' : "havvâh",
'lingo' : 0,
'strongs' : "H1942", 'pronounce' : "hav-vaw'",
,]"הַוָּה"[ : 'lemma' 'link' : null,
'info' : "From הָוָא (in the sense of eagerly coveting and *RUSHING*
*UPON*; by implication, of falling); desire; also ruin; calamity, iniquity,
mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, *NOISOME*, *PERVERSE*
*THING*, substance, very wickedness.",
'gematria' : {'16' : [5, 6, 5]}, 'umbra' : {
,[400 ,6 ,5 ,2 ,6] : '419'
[10 ,400 ,6 ,5 ,30] : '451' }
}

<-- *NOTE*: #419 as [#6, #2, #5, #6, #400] = havvah (H1942): {#1 as #16 (*)
*INTERFERENCE* *MAPPED* *TO* *EGYPTIAN* *ANKH* / *ROMAN* *IMPERIAL*
*EMPIRE* *GOVERNANCE* *PROTOTYPE* #EIGHT: #120 / #360} 1) desire; 2) chasm
(fig. of destruction); 1a) desire (in bad sense); 2a) engulfing ruin,
destruction, calamity;

} ME OR THE INDISCRIMINATE SOUNDING *NOISOME* CAR / AIR HORNS OR OTHER LOUD
PERCUSSION DEVICE AS WITH MENACING INTENT TO CAUSE APPREHENSION AND FEAR
are breaches of those orders being case number: H12143475.

An #419 - NOISOME PERCUSSION EVENT OCCURRED @ 1043 hours on 10 JULY 2018
which was heard by an independent party being the Australia Post delivery
person (xxxx

motorcycle registration: xxxx) and his details where voluntarily obtained
for purposes of witness statement and court proceedings.

A sound recording of the second event was obtained immediately thereafter.

As Police independence within my matters are seriously prejudiced by an
unlawful liquor ban not undertaken in a prescribed manner relating a
reasonable objection made of a boisterous female customer within a supposed
quiet amenity reaching for an eating utensil as weapon incident at the Star
Hotel on 26 March 2017 I have no further confidence within the Victoria
Police addressing my matters of complaint.

Apart from reporting the matter to yourselves by mail only should you
stubbornly wish to take any action, I am intentioned to direct the matter
of BOER / ANZAC defamation and of racial hatred against this person and
yourselves to lawyers in due course.

Post by Peter

cause célèbre
noun: A controversial issue that attracts a great deal of public attention.
*nobody* has heard of your imaginary "cause célèbre" and nobody would
care about it even if they had. Even the flat earth/fake moon landing
conspiracy crowd woudn't be able to stomach your impenetrable hokum.

Ian Jackson

2018-07-09 14:28:34 UTC

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!

What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

--
Ian

Yellow

2018-07-09 14:44:59 UTC

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour?

Which of course, in part, is how we got to having the referendum in the
first place with people turning to UKIP and rejecting Miliband's pro-EU
Labour.

I only voted Tory because they promised Brexit and I cannot be alone in
that, but if the Tories do not bring forth a more pro-leave leadership
where does that leave the leave vote?

The Labour Party leadership are clearly pro-leave but are just a little
bit Marxist while almost everyone else is pro-remain and pushing the
Labour Party to move in that direction. Meanwhile, the leadership is
hedging its bets in the hope of toppling the Tories so we do not really
know what horse they would back, leave or remain, if indeed they ever
did win power.

The LibDems are obviously no good to a leave voter and UKIP are
currently dead in the water.

So were would all the million of leave votes go?

Post by Ian Jackson
Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

I think, although I am not sure, I would probably forgo a proper Brexit
rather than vote Corbyn - it would all depend on exactly what was on the
table of course.

Mike Swift

2018-07-09 15:09:28 UTC

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

We're stuck with the choice of frying pan or fire sadly, May is bad but
I'm terrified Corbyn might get in.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

Jethro_uk

2018-07-09 15:36:02 UTC

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

We're stuck with the choice of frying pan or fire sadly, May is bad but
I'm terrified Corbyn might get in.
Mike

Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong
Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband: https://t.co/fmhcfTunbm

— David Cameron (@David_Cameron) May 4, 2015

You believed him. You voted him in. So suck up what you voted for.

Yellow

2018-07-09 15:43:44 UTC

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

We're stuck with the choice of frying pan or fire sadly, May is bad but
I'm terrified Corbyn might get in.
Mike

Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong
Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband: https://t.co/fmhcfTunbm
You believed him. You voted him in. So suck up what you voted for.

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

Jethro_uk

2018-07-09 15:46:00 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

We're stuck with the choice of frying pan or fire sadly, May is bad
but I'm terrified Corbyn might get in.
Mike

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

Yellow

2018-07-09 16:07:40 UTC

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong
Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband: https://t.co/fmhcfTunbm
You believed him. You voted him in. So suck up what you voted for.

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.

Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)

I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

pensive hamster

2018-07-09 16:44:20 UTC

Post by Yellow

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I think we have always been protected from both political and monetary
union, because our politicians have opposed political and monetary
union.

Post by Yellow
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Handsome Jack

2018-07-09 18:30:40 UTC

Post by Yellow
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)

I think we have always been protected from both political and monetary
union, because our politicians have opposed political and monetary
union.

If by "our politicians" you mean something like "most of our most
influential politicians", you're quite mistaken. In the early days of
the single European currency there was a huge outpouring of propaganda
from the Blair government for Britain to join the eurozone.

--
Jack

pensive hamster

2018-07-09 20:38:00 UTC

pensive hamster posted

Post by Yellow
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)

I think we have always been protected from both political and monetary
union, because our politicians have opposed political and monetary
union.

They obviously can't have been very influential politicians,
can they, if their huge outpouring of propaganda failed to
win the day.

Handsome Jack

2018-07-09 20:42:42 UTC

pensive hamster posted

Post by pensive hamster
I think we have always been protected from both political and monetary
union, because our politicians have opposed political and monetary
union.

They obviously can't have been very influential politicians,
can they, if their huge outpouring of propaganda failed to
win the day.

Yes, they could. Just not influential enough.

--
Jack

2018-07-10 09:01:35 UTC

Post by Handsome Jack

pensive hamster posted

Post by pensive hamster
I think we have always been protected from both political and monetary
union, because our politicians have opposed political and monetary
union.

They obviously can't have been very influential politicians,
can they, if their huge outpouring of propaganda failed to
win the day.

Yes, they could. Just not influential enough.

"Just not influential enough" is like saying "They obviously can't
have been very influential politicians".

MM

pamela

2018-07-09 16:57:24 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and
https://t.co/fmhcfTunbm
You believed him. You voted him in. So suck up what you voted for.

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other
reason at that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude
up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate
affect on how Brexit is progressing,

The referendum gave the government an indication of what the public
was thinking.

The government should then act in the best interests of the whole
nation and not just those who voted Brexit.

Especially as Brexiteers are a minority of the whole population and
the rest still deserve consideration.

Post by Yellow
but as far as I am aware we are still slated to leave the EU 29
March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.

Mike Swift

2018-07-09 23:39:46 UTC

The referendum gave the government an indication of what the public was
thinking.
The government should then act in the best interests of the whole nation
and not just those who voted Brexit.
Especially as Brexiteers are a minority of the whole population and the rest
still deserve consideration.

Prat.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

Fredxx

2018-07-10 00:18:47 UTC

On 09/07/2018 17:57, pamela wrote:

<snip>

Post by pamela
Especially as Brexiteers are a minority of the whole population and
the rest still deserve consideration.

That is what they said before the referendum too.

Keep saying your mantra, it won't make any difference to the result, or
your misbeliefs.

pamela

2018-07-10 14:12:39 UTC

Post by Fredxx
<snip>

Post by pamela
Especially as Brexiteers are a minority of the whole population
and the rest still deserve consideration.

That is what they said before the referendum too.
Keep saying your mantra, it won't make any difference to the
result, or your misbeliefs.

You missed my earlier question. Do you have an answer?

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=153123193000

The Todal

2018-07-09 17:09:14 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

The alternative scenario is that Theresa May has cleverly forced David
and Johnson (and maybe one or two others) to bow out of the fray and her
plan to keep Britain in the EU is proceeding exactly as planned.

There is no alternative PM in waiting. She and the civil servants can do
whatever they think best.

Yellow

2018-07-09 17:25:35 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

The alternative scenario is that Theresa May has cleverly forced David
and Johnson (and maybe one or two others) to bow out of the fray and her
plan to keep Britain in the EU is proceeding exactly as planned.
There is no alternative PM in waiting. She and the civil servants can do
whatever they think best.

Myself, I am expecting a leadership challenge if she does not change
course, but only time will tell.

2018-07-10 09:07:35 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.

Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?

At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.

MM

The Todal

2018-07-10 09:10:20 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.
MM

But you can always rely on the Daily Mail to spin it for the Leavers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5936053/Now-Britons-want-leave-EU-nearly-15-increase-referendum-survey-claims.html

10/7/18

The number of Britons who want the UK to leave the EU has jumped since
the referendum two years ago, a poll shows.

The annual British Social Attitudes survey revealed that rising numbers
of respondents are now firmly convinced by the case for departure.

The study said 36 per cent of interviewees wanted to leave the EU, up
from 22 per cent in 2015. The proportion who wanted no change fell to 19
per cent, down from 27 per cent.

Dan S. MacAbre

2018-07-10 09:14:18 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.
MM

Twitter users? :-)

2018-07-10 17:14:19 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.
MM

Twitter users? :-)

I.e. a representative cross-section of society.

MM

Dan S. MacAbre

2018-07-10 18:59:40 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.
MM

Twitter users? :-)

I.e. a representative cross-section of society.
MM

I don't believe so. I believe that twitter users are more likely to be
those people who think everyone else wants to listen to them complaining
about anything and everything.

2018-07-12 09:17:12 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:46:00 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

I am disappointed that remainers are having a disproportionate affect on
how Brexit is progressing, but as far as I am aware we are still slated
to leave the EU 29 March 2019 at 11pm. So not all bad.
Whatever else happens, we are protected from both political and monetary
union. :-)
I think/hope that once we have actually left that battle will fall away
and instead of all that effort being put into trying to keep us in, it
can be used more productively. We will of course see because we might
just end up with a never ending war, but I can only hope not.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.
MM

Twitter users? :-)

I.e. a representative cross-section of society.
MM

I don't believe so. I believe that twitter users are more likely to be
those people who think everyone else wants to listen to them complaining
about anything and everything.

"This statistic
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271350/twitter-users-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
shows the number of Twitter users in the United Kingdom in 2012 and
2013, with a forecast to 2018. Users were counted who accessed the
site from any device on at least one occasion per month. There were
8.6 million Twitter users in 2012 and it was forecast that there will
be 17.1 million users in the United Kingdom by 2018. It was also
predicted that Twitter use among the age group of 65 years of age and
older will increase by 13.2 percent in 2018. Twitter's market share in
the United Kingdom has been increasing from approximately 8.22 percent
in May 2015 to 12.03 percent in April 2017."

If 17.4 million Brexit voters are significant enough for the *whole*
country to leave the EU, I'm pretty sure that the predicted 17.1
million Twitter users in the UK are just as significant.

MM

Norman Wells

2018-07-10 09:47:55 UTC

Post by The Todal
The alternative scenario is that Theresa May has cleverly forced David
and Johnson (and maybe one or two others) to bow out of the fray and her
plan to keep Britain in the EU is proceeding exactly as planned.

Channel 5 Twitter poll this morning with 1,666 responses.
Question: If there was another referendum tomorrow, how would you
vote?
At 9:30 a.m. the result was 64% would vote remain. The poll is still
open and the number of votes is now up to 1,965. Let's see whether
Leave can catch up the lost ground.

Why does it need to?

Ian Jackson

2018-07-09 18:34:32 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:36:02 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

We're stuck with the choice of frying pan or fire sadly, May is bad
but I'm terrified Corbyn might get in.
Mike

I voted Tory simply to get the EU Referendum, for no other reason at
that time, so you can stick your patronising attitude up your bum. :-p

So, you got it. And you also got here. Well done you.

At least you have my eternal respect for owning up!

--
Ian

2018-07-09 16:44:43 UTC

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we currently have
for a government.

MM

Norman Wells

2018-07-09 16:57:40 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who wants
Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants the present
leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we currently have
for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do you
think a general election will come about before 2022?

pamela

2018-07-10 16:57:00 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we currently
have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

Norman Wells

2018-07-10 18:12:32 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we currently
have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?

The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general election'.
I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general election will
come about even if 'we' do demand one.

pamela

2018-07-10 18:47:08 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we
currently have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?
The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general
election'. I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general
election will come about even if 'we' do demand one.

Troll someone else please.

You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Norman Wells

2018-07-10 21:54:46 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we
currently have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?
The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general
election'. I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general
election will come about even if 'we' do demand one.

Troll someone else please.
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

The Todal

2018-07-10 22:46:31 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we
currently have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?
The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general
election'. I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general
election will come about even if 'we' do demand one.

Troll someone else please.
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

It's obvious that there won't be a general election within the next 12
months, even if the Labour Party keeps demanding one.

We are at a crucial stage in negotiations with the EU. This is no time
to suspend negotiations and leave Brexit in free-fall.

Which is why Theresa May has probably played her cards very skilfully.
The Brexiteers have been outmanoevred. They can flounce off in a huff,
but there aren't very many of them and they have no value. Whether we
have a ultra soft Brexit or no Brexit at all, is now up to Theresa May.

Donald Trump, incidentally, seems to be increasingly senile.

"Boris Johnson is a friend of mine. He's been very, very nice to me,
very supportive. Maybe I'll speak to him when I get over there. I like
Boris Johnson, I've always liked him."

Mr Johnson had previously called Trump “clearly out of his mind”,
accused him of “quite stupefying ignorance” that makes him “unfit for
office” and said he would not visit New York because of the “real risk
of meeting Donald Trump”

Tim Woodall

2018-07-11 07:03:47 UTC

Post by The Todal
It's obvious that there won't be a general election within the next 12
months, even if the Labour Party keeps demanding one.
We are at a crucial stage in negotiations with the EU. This is no time
to suspend negotiations and leave Brexit in free-fall.
Which is why Theresa May has probably played her cards very skilfully.
The Brexiteers have been outmanoevred. They can flounce off in a huff,
but there aren't very many of them and they have no value. Whether we
have a ultra soft Brexit or no Brexit at all, is now up to Theresa May.

I'm not convinced.

Now is not the time for the hard brexiteers to play their cards. 9
months is time for a vote of confidence, a general election, even
another referendum and then stop brexit.

Their time to trigger a change of government is either just before a
deal is agreed or early in 2019 if there's going to be no deal in order
to ensure the country is headless at end March.

These people are the experts at playing the parliamentary rules to their
advantage. The one trump card the other side have is that, while the
hard brexiteers have been the ones shouting about what 'brexit means
brexit' means, the vote only asked about leaving the EU and the softest
of soft brexits is still 'the will of the people' so depending on how
public opinion goes over the next nine months, that's still on the cards
unless the hard brexiteers can thwart it.

It should be remembered that those 17.4M were promised that a deal would
be easy. It doesn't take many of them when (if) faced with no deal, to
swing public opinion firmly behind soft (or even no) brexit.

Ironically, I think we'll end up with a softish brexit - which the
remainers will say 'well it could have been worse' and the brexiteers
will say 'this is worse than no brexit at all' and absolutely nobody
will be happy.

Whether that marks the start of the end for the tory party that oversaw
this fiasco is anybody's guess.

The no-deal WTO rules from day 1 crowd aren't dpne yet though - but
now's not the time to try to force it on the country.

Ian Jackson

2018-07-11 07:29:48 UTC

Post by Tim Woodall
It should be remembered that those 17.4M were promised that a deal would
be easy. It doesn't take many of them when (if) faced with no deal, to
swing public opinion firmly behind soft (or even no) brexit.

But they won't. The in-phoners show absolutely no sign of changing their
opinions. Instead they keep telling us that the reason that the deal has
not been easy is all the fault of the traitorous 16 million remainers
not 'getting behind the government', and the intransigence of those evil
EU negotiators.

--
Ian

kat

2018-07-11 07:39:11 UTC

But they won't. The in-phoners show absolutely no sign of changing their
opinions. Instead they keep telling us that the reason that the deal has not
been easy is all the fault of the traitorous 16 million remainers not 'getting
behind the government', and the intransigence of those evil EU negotiators.

I wouldn't put it quite like that but I would agree that the way the Remain side
has been kicking up isn't helping their cause. Or ours. We are leaving,
surely the thing to do is to work for a good Brexit. I know opinion of what
that is varies, but when I see people reckoning BRINO is a Good Thing I despair.
All the things that are bad about the EU still in place ( as well as the good
of course) and No Say. How can that be good for anyone other than the R-EU?

As for the EU negotiators, how else would one expect them to behave.
Intransigence is one of the EU problems.

--
kat

Post by Ian Jackson
^..^<

Tim Woodall

2018-07-11 08:48:00 UTC

One upon a time, when dinosaurs roamed the earth and men were 'real men'
there was a R4 program called 'any answers' that was a write in response
to 'any questions'

It was filled with reasoned letters - you didn't have to agree but at
least you could understand where people were coming from.

Then it became a phone in. Filled with people who liked the sound of
their own voice. The reasoners disappeared - most people need time to
think to construct an argument - and the phone-in doesn't support that.

Any questions was better too when it didn't need the obligatory 'mp from
each party' and instead had people who could address difficult issues
instead of playing a party line.

IMO the people in-phoning are the same as the rabid corbynistas. They're
never going to change and they're also not important. It's the ones in
the middle we should be caring about.

I quite enjoy looking at the 'top ten' on the BBC HYS. I think there has
been a shift away from brexit support. But it's impossible to say
whether there's a real shift. There are the 'I'm for brexit and I'll
proclaim it' and 'I'm against brexit and I'll proclaim it' core. Then
there are those who will proclaim their support when they are on the
'winning side' Perhaps that is all that has happened. Brexit is a farce
- nobody is in control of anything - and whatever final outcome there is
will be down to luck. I certainly get the feeling that the EU have
given up. They care but they accept that there is nothing that can be
done and they are just waiting to see what the UK comes up with. That
will either be acceptable or unacceptable. So be it. The EU will deal
with no deal if it has to.

The core problem is that the UK with its adversarial judicial system,
FPTP dominant party parliament, has forgotten the art of negotiation and
compromise. Everything is a 'winner takes all' battle. Fortunately for
us, the EU doesn't work that way otherwise we'd have been slaughtered.
The EU negotiators are still looking for a 'solution' rather than just
'what hurts the EU the least' or even 'what gets the EU the most'

But that doesn't mean they're not hard nosed negotiators.

R. Mark Clayton

2018-07-11 11:02:25 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we
currently have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?
The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general
election'. I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general
election will come about even if 'we' do demand one.

Troll someone else please.
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Yes I know turkeys, Xmas and all that...

Norman Wells

2018-07-11 11:11:03 UTC

Post by Yellow
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:28:34 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Yellow
As per title.
Who next I wonder?

The whole lot, I hope!
What we should be demanding is a general election - but who
wants Labour? Yes, they have some great people - but who wants
the present leadership?

~Any~thing's better than the shower of incompetents we
currently have for a government.

I've asked you before, but you always swerve answering. How do
you think a general election will come about before 2022?

Here we go.

How about giving us an answer then?
The comment was 'What we should be demanding is a general
election'. I'm just interested to know how anyone thinks a general
election will come about even if 'we' do demand one.

Troll someone else please.
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Post by R. Mark Clayton
Yes I know turkeys, Xmas and all that...

Yes, and an imagined '>55%'.

Where has that figure come from? Thin air I have no doubt.

R. Mark Clayton

2018-07-11 11:46:47 UTC

SNIP

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

Post by R. Mark Clayton
Yes I know turkeys, Xmas and all that...

Yes, and an imagined '>55%'.
Where has that figure come from? Thin air I have no doubt.

66.6|6|% actually, however they can merely lose by one vote and if the government, or a revised one can't win a confidence motion within 14 days then there will be general election.

The Todal

2018-07-11 12:06:18 UTC

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And they
wouldn't win it.

At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured remaining
in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's blueprint for
exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg option. Some of the MPs,
maybe even a majority, would prefer cancelling Brexit if it could be
done in a way that would not alienate the electorate.

R. Mark Clayton

2018-07-11 13:50:49 UTC

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And they
wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured remaining
in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's blueprint for
exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg option. Some of the MPs,
maybe even a majority, would prefer cancelling Brexit if it could be
done in a way that would not alienate the electorate.

Many 'Remain' MP's sit for seats in areas that were strongly remain in London and other major metropolitan areas - they don't have to worry about this, on the contrary it will strengthen their position. Similarly SNP and nearly all Lib Dem.

A few 'Leave' MP's sit for such seats and one, Zac Goldsmith, lost his seat in a by election on the EU issue - scraped back in in the GE. DUP also vulnerable on this, but voting in NI rather tribal.

The largest group that might be concerned are the forward thinking Labour MP's who represent strongly Leave voting areas in the north east, Stoke etc.. OTOH they would be [rightly] deselected by Labour if they voted against a whipped vote of no confidence and if the chance presents itself to get a General Election Jeremy will jump at it, especially as he improved their vote and May reduced the Tory vote during the last one - he won't get a another or better chance.

Norman Wells

2018-07-11 16:31:33 UTC

Post by R. Mark Clayton
The largest group that might be concerned are the forward thinking Labour MP's who represent strongly Leave voting areas in the north east, Stoke etc.. OTOH they would be [rightly] deselected by Labour if they voted against a whipped vote of no confidence and if the chance presents itself to get a General Election Jeremy will jump at it, especially as he improved their vote and May reduced the Tory vote during the last one - he won't get a another or better chance.

But no such chance has or will present itself before 2022 when the next
general election is scheduled. The numbers just don't stack up. The
Tories and the DUP have an overall majority.

There's nothing poor impotent Jeremy or anyone else can do about it.

2018-07-12 09:28:46 UTC

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And they
wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured remaining
in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's blueprint for
exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg option. Some of the MPs,
maybe even a majority, would prefer cancelling Brexit if it could be
done in a way that would not alienate the electorate.

This "alienating the electorate", what does it mean? The referendum
was an *advisory* referendum. It did not legally commit the government
to implement the decision, or in fact any decision. And the only
people who would be alienated are the Brexiters in any case.

So what if the electorate *of Brexiters* is "alienated" ! The 16
million Remainers won't be, and there are considerably more in the
silent majority, who didn't vote, who won't be either.

MM

pamela

2018-07-12 12:09:24 UTC

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:06:18 +0100, The Todal

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be
triggered despite the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two
are not the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And
they wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured
remaining in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's
blueprint for exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg
option. Some of the MPs, maybe even a majority, would prefer
cancelling Brexit if it could be done in a way that would not
alienate the electorate.

This "alienating the electorate", what does it mean? The
referendum was an *advisory* referendum. It did not legally commit
the government to implement the decision, or in fact any decision.
And the only people who would be alienated are the Brexiters in
any case.
So what if the electorate *of Brexiters* is "alienated" ! The 16
million Remainers won't be, and there are considerably more in the
silent majority, who didn't vote, who won't be either.
MM

Don't forget 12.9 million of the electorate who didn't vote in the
referendum.

If you add them to the 16.1 million who voted to Remain that makes
29 million voters (62% of the electorate) who didn't vote for
Brexit.

2018-07-13 09:54:57 UTC

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:06:18 +0100, The Todal

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be
triggered despite the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two
are not the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And
they wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured
remaining in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's
blueprint for exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg
option. Some of the MPs, maybe even a majority, would prefer
cancelling Brexit if it could be done in a way that would not
alienate the electorate.

This "alienating the electorate", what does it mean? The
referendum was an *advisory* referendum. It did not legally commit
the government to implement the decision, or in fact any decision.
And the only people who would be alienated are the Brexiters in
any case.
So what if the electorate *of Brexiters* is "alienated" ! The 16
million Remainers won't be, and there are considerably more in the
silent majority, who didn't vote, who won't be either.
MM

Don't forget 12.9 million of the electorate who didn't vote in the
referendum.
If you add them to the 16.1 million who voted to Remain that makes
29 million voters (62% of the electorate) who didn't vote for
Brexit.

Exactly. They are the silent majority. Complacent, sure, because they
*should* have voted. But just as even David Cameron believed 100% that
he would win the referendum, many people will have thought the same.

In addition to the 12.9 million, you have millions of young people who
were too young to vote but who think Brexit is a catastrophe.

If you tot up all the numbers in the various Remain camps, the total
far outweighs anything that Brexiters can bring to the ballot.

MM

Norman Wells

2018-07-13 11:17:19 UTC

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:06:18 +0100, The Todal

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be
triggered despite the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two
are not the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And
they wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured
remaining in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's
blueprint for exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg
option. Some of the MPs, maybe even a majority, would prefer
cancelling Brexit if it could be done in a way that would not
alienate the electorate.

This "alienating the electorate", what does it mean? The
referendum was an *advisory* referendum. It did not legally commit
the government to implement the decision, or in fact any decision.
And the only people who would be alienated are the Brexiters in
any case.
So what if the electorate *of Brexiters* is "alienated" ! The 16
million Remainers won't be, and there are considerably more in the
silent majority, who didn't vote, who won't be either.
MM

Don't forget 12.9 million of the electorate who didn't vote in the
referendum.
If you add them to the 16.1 million who voted to Remain that makes
29 million voters (62% of the electorate) who didn't vote for
Brexit.

Exactly. They are the silent majority. Complacent, sure, because they
*should* have voted. But just as even David Cameron believed 100% that
he would win the referendum, many people will have thought the same.
In addition to the 12.9 million, you have millions of young people who
were too young to vote but who think Brexit is a catastrophe.
If you tot up all the numbers in the various Remain camps, the total
far outweighs anything that Brexiters can bring to the ballot.

But we've *had* the ballot. Apart from you, we've moved on.

Ian Jackson

2018-07-12 15:56:07 UTC

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

They would have to be fairly sure that they'd win such a vote. And they
wouldn't win it.
At the time of the referendum a clear majority of MPs favoured remaining
in the EU. Those MPs are likely to prefer Mrs May's blueprint for
exiting the EU to a "hard Brexit" or Rees-Mogg option. Some of the MPs,
maybe even a majority, would prefer cancelling Brexit if it could be
done in a way that would not alienate the electorate.

This "alienating the electorate", what does it mean? The referendum
was an *advisory* referendum. It did not legally commit the government
to implement the decision, or in fact any decision. And the only
people who would be alienated are the Brexiters in any case.
So what if the electorate *of Brexiters* is "alienated" ! The 16
million Remainers won't be, and there are considerably more in the
silent majority, who didn't vote, who won't be either.

According the Brexiteers who phone Nigel Farage on LBC, many are
'seething', 'furious' and 'incandescent' - and betrayed not only by
those who oppose Brexit, but also those who have been trying to carry
the Brexit process but have so far found the task impossible.

Nigel, of course, loves to go along with this - and delights in
rabble-rousing and stirring them up. When it comes to inciting rebellion
and sedition, I reckon at times he's just about keeping on the right
side of law. If Brexit appears unlikely to happen, he's going to make
the supreme sacrifice and take charge of UKIP - and lead the country a
glorious victory. And if you don't believe me, listen to LBC at 7pm Mon
to Thurs, and 10am on Sundays.

--
Ian

Norman Wells

2018-07-11 16:25:42 UTC

Post by pamela
You know pefectly well how a mid term election can be triggered despite
the FTP Act. If not then Google it.

Of course it *can* be, but I asked how it *will* be. The two are not
the same.

Vote of no confidence >55% in favour.

Then why aren't Labour and the LibDems tabling one?

Wait and see.

What you mean is, you have no idea. For it to stand any chance
whatsoever of succeeding, Labour would have to initiate it, and you're
not in their loop. And they won't initiate it because the numbers say
they'd lose. The Tories and their allies still have an overall majority
in the Commons.