Help with Fertilizer Bomb

I have tryed to put some Fertilizer´inside some newspaper, at top of the
Fertilizer i put some cotton with some diesel fuel on it. And i got i to
burn som distance with a eletric battery but noting happons it only burns
slowly.
I used around 100grams.
What am i doing wrong ?
Can you give som tips ?

Simple.
Use 10kg and a detonator
Better make sure it's the right fertiliser as well.

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Kristian F-P

2004-05-12 21:46:25 UTC

ok then what does the right fertiliser contain ?

I dont have acces to a detonator.

10kg sounds of a lot sure of that i need so mutch ?

Post by Kristian F-P
I have tryed to put some FertilizerŽinside some newspaper, at top of the
Fertilizer i put some cotton with some diesel fuel on it. And i got i to
burn som distance with a eletric battery but noting happons it only burns
slowly.
I used around 100grams.
What am i doing wrong ?
Can you give som tips ?

Simple.
Use 10kg and a detonator
Better make sure it's the right fertiliser as well.
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Johnny

2004-05-13 17:34:13 UTC

You really need a simple nitric ester.

If you have access to HNO3 and H2SO4 you may begin your nitation
process.

The fertilizer you REALLY need is (without a doubt) simian doo-doo.
Human shit WILL work but you have to keep your temps down very low
(200C) during the nitration process. Here is a simple example:

For every 100gr of doo-doo (does not have to be dry - sulfuric acid
will take care of that issue)
use a nitarion mixture of 200gr (98%) H2SO4 and very rapidly mix with
100gr (70% technical grade) HNO3. NOTE: ALWAYS POUR THE NITRIC INTO
THE SULFURIC ACID! Never the other way around. Some laughing gas may
be generated (NOx) but it's no big deal. Then as soon as you can add
the doo-doo and stir rapidly; KEEP STIRRING!. It helps if you have a
proper lab set up with a magnetic stir and hot plate because after you
begin the stirring process you MUST bring the temp to an accurate
230C. Continue stirring for 2 hours and then dump the whole thing on
2000gr of crushed ice. What will precipitate will be the nitro-doo. If
you made it properly it will be large rhombic brown crystals. You can
light it off with a fuse made from toilet tissue.

On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:46:25 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

Post by Kristian F-P
ok then what does the right fertiliser contain ?
I dont have acces to a detonator.
10kg sounds of a lot sure of that i need so mutch ?

burns

slowly.
I used around 100grams.
What am i doing wrong ?
Can you give som tips ?

Simple.
Use 10kg and a detonator
Better make sure it's the right fertiliser as well.
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Voyager

2004-05-22 02:06:15 UTC

On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:46:25 +0200, Kristian F-P wrote:

Kristian:

Do not take advice from this message thread, you might end up with fewer
fingers than you currently enjoy.

Apparently some of the boys haven't caught on that you are Danish and do
not have a good graps of the English language.

It's best to read and study information from better sources.

There are a few links to such information here:
http://www.fortliberty.org/military-library/explosives.shtml

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Mike

2004-05-13 00:26:44 UTC

Simple.
Use 10kg and a detonator
Better make sure it's the right fertiliser as well.

<delurk>
Hi All!

Yeah, pig muck is far too stable it *has* to be bull muck (properly
rotted).

<lurk>

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Mike

john

2004-05-13 16:06:44 UTC

the very first thing you need to buy is whats called IQ points they will
help you out a lot in a situation like this theres nothing greater than them
as a tool especialy when mixing ampho
its simple and easy

Coalbunny

2004-05-13 03:54:35 UTC

On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You're not doing enough research on the explosive you want to make, THAT'S what
you're doing wrong. I could give you a few tips, as could anyone else here,
that would gaurentee success. But we also know that from what we can tell so
far, you would more than likely end up hurting yourself, or worse, someone else.
Carl

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2004-06-02 14:44:28 UTC

On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:54:35 -0600, Coalbunny
<***@yukyukyahoo.com> wrote:
From the way you write...your not very old
If you are doing demo...basics...then you would no how to do it.
Its not hit and miss and I aint telling you how and what.
This is Little Trouble at work
Blaster

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You're not doing enough research on the explosive you want to make, THAT'S what
you're doing wrong. I could give you a few tips, as could anyone else here,
that would gaurentee success. But we also know that from what we can tell so
far, you would more than likely end up hurting yourself, or worse, someone else.
Carl
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john

2004-06-04 00:22:37 UTC

you have a little bit of it right but ampho will not explode like that
needs a bit of a kick in the pants to set it off

Post by hg
On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:54:35 -0600, Coalbunny
From the way you write...your not very old
If you are doing demo...basics...then you would no how to do it.
Its not hit and miss and I aint telling you how and what.
This is Little Trouble at work
Blaster

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

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2004-06-04 02:01:03 UTC

Post by john
but ampho will not explode

what the f--- is "ampho" Are you guys really that stupid???

me

PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-04 11:13:20 UTC

Hello Myself and I ;-)
I guess they meaned
AP...ammonium phosphate what is a very good fertilizer indeed and a
very po-we-or-full and very unsensitive explosive as wel all know.;-)
:-O :oD ROFL
They have chosen the stablest of all explosive known to mankind after
the eggsplosive.
Then you see AMmonium PHOsphate --> AMPHO ...pretty logical...but of
course they must have mixed it up with AP...
AP might be ...
-Aceton peroxydes (mono, cyclodi,cyclotri,cyclotetra)
-Ammonium picrate
-Ammonium perchlorate
-Antimonium Phosphoride
-Acetyl perchlorate
-Aluminium perchlorate
-Aluminum picrate
....

But sshhhhuuuuutttttt it is a secret, leave them make their own
discovery.

PH Z

Post by john
but ampho will not explode

what the f--- is "ampho" Are you guys really that stupid???
me

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-04 17:11:09 UTC

Post by PHILOU Zrealone
Hello Myself and I ;-)
I guess they meaned
AP...ammonium phosphate what is a very good fertilizer indeed and a
very po-we-or-full and very unsensitive explosive as wel all know.;-)
:-O :oD ROFL
They have chosen the stablest of all explosive known to mankind after
the eggsplosive.
Then you see AMmonium PHOsphate --> AMPHO ...pretty logical...but of
course they must have mixed it up with AP...
AP might be ...
-Aceton peroxydes (mono, cyclodi,cyclotri,cyclotetra)
-Ammonium picrate
-Ammonium perchlorate
-Antimonium Phosphoride
-Acetyl perchlorate
-Aluminium perchlorate
-Aluminum picrate
....
But sshhhhuuuuutttttt it is a secret, leave them make their own
discovery.

Nothing compares with a few gallons of nitrogen trichloride, ideally mixed with
nitromethane.

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LOUIS

2004-06-05 08:08:05 UTC

I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Nothing compares with a few gallons of nitrogen trichloride, ideally mixed with
nitromethane.
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-06 05:57:22 UTC

Post by LOUIS
I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-07 17:02:17 UTC

About as sensitive as nitrobenzene/CNA but with aniline you have more
chance of runnway because of the acid-base reaction that produces heat
and oxydation into quinons and further oxydations to NOx, CO2 aside
with nitroanilines, ... :-) myummmmiyyyyy tasty soup. :-)

PH Z

Post by LOUIS
I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-07 17:52:13 UTC

Post by PHILOU Zrealone
About as sensitive as nitrobenzene/CNA but with aniline you have more
chance of runnway because of the acid-base reaction that produces heat
and oxydation into quinons and further oxydations to NOx, CO2 aside
with nitroanilines, ... :-) myummmmiyyyyy tasty soup. :-)
PH Z

Post by LOUIS
I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

What about aniline+NM?

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LOUIS

2004-06-07 21:28:45 UTC

It has been used to sensitise NM to make stable HE but the % can't be too high because of the
strongly negative OB of aniline.
If I remember wel, the mix you speak about has been used in pregondola explosive tests to simulate
nuclear explosion.

PH Z

Post by LOUIS
I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

What about aniline+NM?
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LOUIS

2004-06-07 21:32:10 UTC

Donald J. Haarmann will surely have something to add....Don?

Post by LOUIS
It has been used to sensitise NM to make stable HE but the % can't be too high because of the
strongly negative OB of aniline.
If I remember wel, the mix you speak about has been used in pregondola explosive tests to simulate
nuclear explosion.
PH Z

Post by LOUIS
I would state more like NH3.NI3 + CH3-NO2 because amonia needs to be there to make
the NM more sensitive ;-)

Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

What about aniline+NM?
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donald j haarmann

2004-06-13 01:08:29 UTC

Post by LOUIS
Donald J. Haarmann will surely have something to add....Don?

-----------
Sorry. No. And did you ever smell aniline?!!

The chemical of choice w/ NM seems to be - ethylenediamine e.g., P(icatinny) L(iquid) E(xplosive)

95% NM
5% Ethylenediamine

NB "Components stored separately; mixed only when ready to use."

Ballistic mortar % TNT 134
Trauzl [Lead block] % PA 127
Detonation rate:-
Containment Glass
Charge diameter in 1.25 Density 1.14 6210
0.94 1.12 6165 m/sec

SO: That Book.

An aside - orotho-nitroaniline is used to make KDNBF - Potassium Dinitrobenzfuroxan.
First prepared in 1899.

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-15 14:39:49 UTC

Post by donald j haarmann

Post by LOUIS
Donald J. Haarmann will surely have something to add....Don?

-----------
Sorry. No. And did you ever smell aniline?!!

-Yes I like the smell like the smell of many chems...but pure aniline
smells much less than technical because of oxydation products and
amonia residue...kind of fish smell :-) in maturation process
(rotting).

Post by donald j haarmann
The chemical of choice w/ NM seems to be - ethylenediamine e.g., P(icatinny) >L(iquid) E(xplosive)

-Yes...more basic and thus higher sensitiser and not too volatile.

Post by donald j haarmann
95% NM
5% Ethylenediamine
NB "Components stored separately; mixed only when ready to use."
Ballistic mortar % TNT 134
Trauzl [Lead block] % PA 127

-Wow that's a lot, never thought that.

Post by donald j haarmann
Detonation rate:-
Containment Glass
Charge diameter inch 1.25 Density 1.14 VOD 6210
Charge diameter inch 0.94 Density 1.12 VOD 6165

-Nice info...stil I must say that glass in not the best to get the
highest VOD...far from perfect confinement...usually in iron steel VOD
goes up.

Post by donald j haarmann
SO: That Book.
An aside - orotho-nitroaniline is used to make KDNBF - Potassium Dinitrobenzfuroxan.
First prepared in 1899.

-Nice info too.

Thanks Don J. Haarmann

PH Z

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-16 08:22:15 UTC

Post by donald j haarmann
The chemical of choice w/ NM seems to be - ethylenediamine e.g., P(icatinny) L(iquid) E(xplosive)
95% NM
5% Ethylenediamine
NB "Components stored separately; mixed only when ready to use."
Ballistic mortar % TNT 134
Trauzl [Lead block] % PA 127
Detonation rate:-
Containment Glass
Charge diameter in 1.25 Density 1.14 6210
0.94 1.12 6165 m/sec

Two questions.
Can it be initiated without a detonator, and if it is as insensitive as TNT
(approx) why not store it in compounded form?

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-16 15:04:28 UTC

Two questions.
Can it be initiated without a detonator, and if it is as insensitive as TNT
(approx) why not store it in compounded form?

NM on its own is already as sensitive as TNT....adding a basic
component makes it more sensitive towards heat and shock...I really
think there is a serious reason why those are kept appart until before
use. Sensitivity must be increased by a factor 2-3 or so.

If you don't use a detonator then at least use your brain LOL use a
hammer ;-)or exploding wire (1000V/50 A) or thermite (Al/CuO) or a
C2H2/O2 heater under infinite confinement...or ....it should do the
job ;-).

PH Z

2004-06-21 13:23:45 UTC

On 16 Jun 2004 08:04:28 -0700, ***@hotmail.com (PHILOU Zrealone)
wrote:
It gets hot real hot when mixed.....
So you shoot as quick as you can.
jiji

Post by PHILOU Zrealone

Two questions.
Can it be initiated without a detonator, and if it is as insensitive as TNT
(approx) why not store it in compounded form?

NM on its own is already as sensitive as TNT....adding a basic
component makes it more sensitive towards heat and shock...I really
think there is a serious reason why those are kept appart until before
use. Sensitivity must be increased by a factor 2-3 or so.
If you don't use a detonator then at least use your brain LOL use a
hammer ;-)or exploding wire (1000V/50 A) or thermite (Al/CuO) or a
C2H2/O2 heater under infinite confinement...or ....it should do the
job ;-).
PH Z

George William Herbert

2004-06-14 02:00:11 UTC

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

Listed as hypergolic in rocket design textbooks.

Next silly question? 8-)

-george william herbert
***@retro.com

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-16 08:19:52 UTC

Post by George William Herbert

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

Listed as hypergolic in rocket design textbooks.
Next silly question? 8-)

I thought that was RFNA, not conc HNO3.

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-16 15:15:05 UTC

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

....

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
I thought that was RFNA, not conc HNO3.

-A bit paradoxal...you wrote texto "conc nitric" and now you write you
thought it was RFNA and not conc HNO3...a bit contradicting yourself
in two very close messages...could you be more concise on what you
think then?

PH Z

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-06-16 16:06:43 UTC

Post by PHILOU Zrealone

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Which reminds me.
How sensitive are mixes of aniline and conc nitric?

....

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
I thought that was RFNA, not conc HNO3.

I meant that I already knew aniline+RFNA is hypergolic.
Now, about aniline+conc HNO3...

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donald j haarmann

2004-06-06 21:52:22 UTC

"PHILOU Zrealone" <***@hotmail.com>

[snip]

Post by PHILOU Zrealone
They have chosen the stablest of all explosive known to mankind after
the eggsplosive.

[snip]

William M Spore
Chlorate Explosive
US Patent 735356
22 September 1903

potassium chlorate
cornstalks pith
egg white

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-06-07 16:57:25 UTC

Mmmmmmhhhhh Que bueno la tortilla :-)

PH Z

Post by donald j haarmann
[snip]

Post by PHILOU Zrealone
They have chosen the stablest of all explosive known to mankind after
the eggsplosive.

[snip]
William M Spore
Chlorate Explosive
US Patent 735356
22 September 1903
potassium chlorate
cornstalks pith
egg white

Earl Colby Pottinger

2004-05-13 11:18:20 UTC

The local police are your friends. If you ask to speak to the explosives
division they will be able to put you in touch with an expert who knows where
all the best LOCAL supplies are to be found. I suggest you give them a call.

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PHILOU Zrealone

2004-05-13 15:47:25 UTC

What newspaper?
It is important, different burning rates! And if it was
newscientist/La Recherche/Pour la Science,... I'll hate you for
ever....

What fertilizer?
Urea, K2SO4, Mg3(PO4)2, (NH4)3PO4, ...

What plant do you try to grow? What type of ground?
What does the seeds look like?
What hour was it then? What was the deviation of the sun vs zenith?
What pluviometry do you have?

How much is some?
In chemistry there is not such a value...in kitchen or in magical show
yes, but not in this field.

What form of cotton?
Just out of curiousity...mercerised, natural, xantaneified, toilet
paper, nitrocotton, cotton rope, cotton clothes,...

Which type of Diesel?
The cotton jeans, or the burning liquid...

How did you got it to burn with a battery?
I would have chosen a match or a lighter; but with a battery on its
own I don't see how you did it from a safe distance....wasn't there a
resistance, lamp or condensator (capacitance)....

100g of what?Which of the above?

So far you did nothing wrong as long as you don't know exactly what
you do. Could you be more concise/explicite/circumspect?

ROFL!
:-) ;-) :oP :Ob :°D :oS

PH Z

Pyro Doug

2004-05-13 17:44:28 UTC

Try not reading the Anarchist cookbook so much, you are bound to get yourself
killed!, You need the right fertilizer for starters i.e. Ammonium Nitrate I
presume?
and only 15% of Diesel poured over it, run it through the blender first to
make it sandy not powdery but not prills like BB size then add the diesel
fuel, the key then is confinement! you need a really large piece of PVC pipe
with two end caps and a good booster prime to get it to detonate, you can use
flash powder in the center of the mix! only 6 grams will start a reaction! use
small metal pipe with end caps for flash powder and then a bigger one full
packed with BP and each with a fuse hole drilled through the center! and it
needs to be water proof Visco not some cheap shit! and a little flexible piece
of copper tubing to string the fuse through coming out of the Fertilizer PVC
tube in the center! confinement of all three mixes is KEY!
You stand to close you can get hurt very bad, Anfo has a nice heaving action
for removing huge stumps out of the ground! It will push a car 10' in the air
if you center the ANFOAPBP mix dead center under a cars center! the fuel tank
will rupture and create an awesome fireball! but ANFO is not used in movie
set's for fireball effects since it doesn't create a fireball! it pushes dirt
it can be put under a huge tree stump and it will remove it fast, you just
fill in the hole.
Hope thats enough information so that you have an idea that fertilizer and
newspaper and cotton balls is all a myth, and this should provide some insight
to the Fertilizer type of explosives, But I would never make one unless you
are working under a ATF permit clearing a property?, You can go to jail once
you add the diesel to the fertilizer because then it is considered a bomb and
the judge don't look at these offenses like he does traffic violations, or
parking tickets, I would research much much more detail before deciding to
make this device for your own safety and possibly your friends and neighbors,
don't get stupid it will only get you 6' under.

PD

Kristian F-P

2004-05-13 22:42:17 UTC

Thanx for the help Pyro Doug !

I have a few quistions because of your languge barrier.

Hvad size is BB ?

what is BP ?

ANFOAPBP stands for Ammonium Nitrate and what more ?

ejb

2004-05-14 13:52:34 UTC

Instead of Nitric acid,use K9P.

Kristian F-P

2004-05-15 14:06:06 UTC

Could you help ?

Thanx

Post by Kristian F-P
Hvad size is BB ?
what is BP ?
ANFOAPBP stands for Ammonium Nitrate and what more ?

burns

Post by Kristian F-P
slowly.
I used around 100grams.
What am i doing wrong ?
Can you give som tips ?
Thanx.

Try not reading the Anarchist cookbook so much, you are bound to get

yourself

Post by Pyro Doug
killed!, You need the right fertilizer for starters i.e. Ammonium

Nitrate

Post by Kristian F-P
I

Post by Pyro Doug
presume?
and only 15% of Diesel poured over it, run it through the blender first to
make it sandy not powdery but not prills like BB size then add the diesel
fuel, the key then is confinement! you need a really large piece of PVC

pipe

Post by Pyro Doug
with two end caps and a good booster prime to get it to detonate, you

can

Post by Kristian F-P
use

Post by Pyro Doug
flash powder in the center of the mix! only 6 grams will start a

reaction!

Post by Kristian F-P
use

Post by Pyro Doug
small metal pipe with end caps for flash powder and then a bigger one full
packed with BP and each with a fuse hole drilled through the center! and

Post by Pyro Doug
needs to be water proof Visco not some cheap shit! and a little flexible

piece

Post by Pyro Doug
of copper tubing to string the fuse through coming out of the Fertilizer

PVC

Post by Pyro Doug
tube in the center! confinement of all three mixes is KEY!
You stand to close you can get hurt very bad, Anfo has a nice heaving

action

Post by Pyro Doug
for removing huge stumps out of the ground! It will push a car 10' in

the

Post by Kristian F-P
air

Post by Pyro Doug
if you center the ANFOAPBP mix dead center under a cars center! the fuel

tank

Post by Pyro Doug
will rupture and create an awesome fireball! but ANFO is not used in movie
set's for fireball effects since it doesn't create a fireball! it pushes

dirt

Post by Pyro Doug
it can be put under a huge tree stump and it will remove it fast, you just
fill in the hole.
Hope thats enough information so that you have an idea that fertilizer and
newspaper and cotton balls is all a myth, and this should provide some

insight

Post by Pyro Doug
to the Fertilizer type of explosives, But I would never make one unless

you

Post by Pyro Doug
are working under a ATF permit clearing a property?, You can go to jail

once

Post by Pyro Doug
you add the diesel to the fertilizer because then it is considered a

bomb

Post by Kristian F-P
and

Post by Pyro Doug
the judge don't look at these offenses like he does traffic violations, or
parking tickets, I would research much much more detail before deciding to
make this device for your own safety and possibly your friends and

neighbors,

Post by Pyro Doug
don't get stupid it will only get you 6' under.
PD

Pyro Doug

2004-05-22 23:12:38 UTC

Post by Kristian F-P
Thanx for the help Pyro Doug !
I have a few quistions because of your languge barrier.
Hvad size is BB ?
what is BP ?
ANFOAPBP stands for Ammonium Nitrate and what more ?

burns

slowly.
I used around 100grams.
What am i doing wrong ?
Can you give som tips ?
Thanx.

Try not reading the Anarchist cookbook so much, you are bound to get

yourself

Post by Pyro Doug
killed!, You need the right fertilizer for starters i.e. Ammonium Nitrate

pipe

Post by Pyro Doug
with two end caps and a good booster prime to get it to detonate, you can

use

Post by Pyro Doug
flash powder in the center of the mix! only 6 grams will start a reaction!

use

Post by Pyro Doug
small metal pipe with end caps for flash powder and then a bigger one full
packed with BP and each with a fuse hole drilled through the center! and

Post by Pyro Doug
needs to be water proof Visco not some cheap shit! and a little flexible

piece

Post by Pyro Doug
of copper tubing to string the fuse through coming out of the Fertilizer

PVC

Post by Pyro Doug
tube in the center! confinement of all three mixes is KEY!
You stand to close you can get hurt very bad, Anfo has a nice heaving

action

Post by Pyro Doug
for removing huge stumps out of the ground! It will push a car 10' in the

air

Post by Pyro Doug
if you center the ANFOAPBP mix dead center under a cars center! the fuel

tank

Post by Pyro Doug
will rupture and create an awesome fireball! but ANFO is not used in movie
set's for fireball effects since it doesn't create a fireball! it pushes

dirt

insight

Post by Pyro Doug
to the Fertilizer type of explosives, But I would never make one unless

you

Post by Pyro Doug
are working under a ATF permit clearing a property?, You can go to jail

once

Post by Pyro Doug
you add the diesel to the fertilizer because then it is considered a bomb

and

neighbors,

Post by Pyro Doug
don't get stupid it will only get you 6' under.
PD

Sorry Kristian, I don't get on here every night anymore maybe once every two
weeks if that, BP is Black Powder the BB's are the BB's you would use from an
air pump rifle, which is referred to as a BB gun, thats what Prills are when you
buy your fertilizer, you do not want that large of balls to allow to much O2 to
get into the mix, compression and confinement remember are KEY!
ANFO-Aluminum Powder + Black Powder = ANFOAPBP
Hope this helps Kristian?

PD

Rob Eldred

2004-05-16 17:33:04 UTC

You need a couple of Kilos of fissionable U235 to use as a detonator! ANFO
is very difficut to set off as you are finding out. Thats why it was never
classed as an explosive before the terrorists figured out how to use it in
bombs. You will never be successful doing what you are doing. You need to
study and understand the chemistry of explosives and then probably won't be
able to get the necessary materials.
Rob

Pyro Doug

2004-05-22 23:35:13 UTC

Post by Rob Eldred

I am afraid you are mistaken for all the myths, yes you can make it more complex
and chances are you would have one hell of a time finding the right supply's to
make a detonator, but I use PETN det cord and me and my neighbor we have these
florescent sprayed Styrofoam tied down where the ANFO charge are and we have
actually killed from the start of the breeding season NOW, 7 alligators and one
was 9 feet long! So I don't think it takes a chemistry degree to make HE, the
information is out there, The kids in Pakistan blowing there sorry asses up make
there own explosives, I highly doubt that one attended anything other than Ala
prayer groups, let alone chemistry 101, and they successfully blow are military
personal's body parts all over the street and walls of buses! So don't get on
your high horse and think you have to have lead azide or petn to get a
detonation, BP alone will detonate you idiot!, guess they didn't cover the
making of the perfect fast HE in your chemistry class, or during your survival
training during your military enlistment time?
It's thug's like yourself that sit around on a news group intended for sharing
information in reference to Explosives, or is there another group for the actual
making of them? and you just beat around the bush like if I tell you then I will
have to kill you! Get real man, have you looked at the calendar lately? It's
2004 not 1972.
Stop wasting Bandwidth unless you can honestly contribute to the group and not
the same old shit from Preparatory manual of Explosives, I'm talking about real
trial and error from my own experience! can you help or add to that or not? if
you have nothing to boast about other than whats already available in books then
get the fuck off the news group because you obviously have nothing worth
contributing and I for one don't like beating around the bush with hints about
how to make this and that and then some idiot teenager reads your post that was
so vague in description that he blows himself up! how would that make you feel?
If you can't honestly contribute information in reference to Explosives I do not
think you need to ride along on this news group.
Find a new hobby, take up jogging in the park, Stop snorting that Mercury
Fulminate!

PD

Pyro Doug

2004-05-22 23:40:04 UTC

Post by Rob Eldred

Meet Rob Eldred, the my cup is half full dude! once you have met Eldred you will
El' Dred that you even met the guy!.....

PD

pragmatist

2004-05-30 00:22:10 UTC

My best tip for you:
What you are doing wrong is messing with explosives
without knowing what you are doing.
Read some chemistry first, then some explosives texts,
(not the 'kids cookbook` kind).
Study hard until you know you've learned enough.
When you know enough not to do it,
you'll know you've learned enough.
Pragmatist

"It aint what you don't know that'll hurt ya,
it's what you "know" that aint so." -- Will Rogers

unknown

2005-04-28 21:21:04 UTC

On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

q***@bellsouth.net

2005-04-29 01:18:22 UTC

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

Don't be trying to make bombs! Anything called a bomb is not in the
league of a firecracker.
Playing with explosive will get you, besides the Law.
That's worse than Dad, when he was 9 years old, in 1926, trying to
hammer a dynamite cap into a stump. Pieces of the cap came out naturally
through his stomach in the 1980s.

Trevor L. Jackson, III

2005-04-29 03:15:43 UTC

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

Troll!!!

Go cross dress for your local vice squad. Twit.

q***@bellsouth.net

2005-04-29 04:57:41 UTC

Post by Trevor L. Jackson, III

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

Troll!!!
Go cross dress for your local vice squad. Twit.

Yeah, I relied too quickly before I said hey wait a minute this guy is
pretending to be childish. I'm amazed to think that LEOs would try this
nonsense. Perhaps some nut that means harm might discuss it on the net
but rather doubtful.

2005-05-01 19:07:42 UTC

Post by Trevor L. Jackson, III

I agree, either this is some kid without the education of chemistry or this
is some POS officer trying to entrap the ones of this group who have
knowledge and experience with energetics, in order to prosecute them under
the Patriot Act. Further, this would not be the first time officers engaged
in tactics like this on newsgroups and/or emails - See Jacobson v. US, for
an example of agents using newsgroups and email to entrap a defendant.

However, if this is some kid, please go and educate yourself with basic
chemistry before posting or trying something like this again - for the sake
of yourself as well as the public.

JK

Post by q***@bellsouth.net

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

Troll!!!
Go cross dress for your local vice squad. Twit.

Walter

2005-05-11 04:54:42 UTC

First of all, what you are doing wrong is posting a topic like this, second,
even thinking of building a bomb is conspiracy, third, I would not mind
seeing cuffs on an idiot like you!

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

Bill Hanna

2005-06-07 14:28:26 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:54:42 GMT, While running hot, "Walter"
<***@mchsi.com> posted:
.

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

Get a good encycopedia and look it up. What you seek is very common
information which is available even to children in school libraries

--
Bill

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" -- M.Python --.

CJC

2005-05-11 05:30:58 UTC

Hi folks.
I've never posted to this NG before and probably never will again.
I build rockets.........I thought I'd check it out as my cousin is now a
blaster in the mining industry.

I think you'll either see this guy on -

1) The Worlds Dumbest Criminals
2) A Reality ER Show
3) One of Bin Ladens 'Home Movies'
4) Death Row

Dude.....you'll learn one day!

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

Walter

2005-05-11 05:44:37 UTC

I highly agree! I also rarely come to this group, I usually hang out in
rec.pyrotechnics, being a hobbyist fireworks builder. I think most of the
clowns that post stuff like that have never heard of form 20 (BATFE
explosive license). And it will catch up to them sooner or later, as I am
writing this, most of you may know, that the CPSC and the US DOJ is sending
letters to those that are buying items to make "boomers" without a
license..and that letter is basically a reading of the riot act, and the
next step is ATF at their door. But they ask for it posting stuff like that!

Walter

Post by CJC
Hi folks.
I've never posted to this NG before and probably never will again.
I build rockets.........I thought I'd check it out as my cousin is now a
blaster in the mining industry.
I think you'll either see this guy on -
1) The Worlds Dumbest Criminals
2) A Reality ER Show
3) One of Bin Ladens 'Home Movies'
4) Death Row
Dude.....you'll learn one day!

Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

nicoli

2005-05-11 21:12:01 UTC

Post by Walter
I highly agree! I also rarely come to this group, I usually hang out in
rec.pyrotechnics, being a hobbyist fireworks builder. I think most of the
clowns that post stuff like that have never heard of form 20 (BATFE
explosive license). And it will catch up to them sooner or later, as I am
writing this, most of you may know, that the CPSC and the US DOJ is sending
letters to those that are buying items to make "boomers" without a
license..and that letter is basically a reading of the riot act, and the
next step is ATF at their door. But they ask for it posting stuff like that!
Walter

If I was an ATF agent I'd probably hire this guy to become the ass of every
'stupid perp' joke. I seriously doubt I'd waste my time going to his door, I
mean even if he is doing anything illegal he's probably only a minor.
Besides no one was ever considered a hero or a great man for saving a retard
or a few mailboxs.

On a more serious note, is it really true about the CPSC and DOJ sending
letters to people buying pyro chems? It wouldn't surprise me really since, I
have heard they are trying to ban sales of such chems. I personally think
it's a shame that society has deteriorated to a point that we can't trust
people not to kill themselves or others. What's all the more disturbing is
the fact that such a ban will actually lure people into a false sense of
security. The fact is 'intelligent' people who want boomers will make
boomers even with such a ban in effect. Unfortunately, due to changes in
what chems would be used, post-ban boomers will probably be far more
dangerous then the pre-ban boomers. In reality this is a lot like the war on
drugs, and I expect it will be expensive and ineffective, but hey, at least
it keeps the CPSC busy right?

Don T

2005-05-11 23:12:25 UTC

If any of you had used your brain you would have known that the original
poster was from Denmark. Not subject to ATFE license or US DOJ action
unless, of course, he were to come to the USA and step afoul of the law.
--
Don Thompson

Remmy sez,
Count de Monet.
Unless, of course, you are Baroque.

Post by nicoli

Post by Walter
I highly agree! I also rarely come to this group, I usually hang out in
rec.pyrotechnics, being a hobbyist fireworks builder. I think most of the
clowns that post stuff like that have never heard of form 20 (BATFE
explosive license). And it will catch up to them sooner or later, as I am
writing this, most of you may know, that the CPSC and the US DOJ is
sending letters to those that are buying items to make "boomers" without a
license..and that letter is basically a reading of the riot act, and the
next step is ATF at their door. But they ask for it posting stuff like that!
Walter

If I was an ATF agent I'd probably hire this guy to become the ass of
every 'stupid perp' joke. I seriously doubt I'd waste my time going to his
door, I mean even if he is doing anything illegal he's probably only a
minor. Besides no one was ever considered a hero or a great man for saving
a retard or a few mailboxs.
On a more serious note, is it really true about the CPSC and DOJ sending
letters to people buying pyro chems? It wouldn't surprise me really since,
I have heard they are trying to ban sales of such chems. I personally
think it's a shame that society has deteriorated to a point that we can't
trust people not to kill themselves or others. What's all the more
disturbing is the fact that such a ban will actually lure people into a
false sense of security. The fact is 'intelligent' people who want boomers
will make boomers even with such a ban in effect. Unfortunately, due to
changes in what chems would be used, post-ban boomers will probably be far
more dangerous then the pre-ban boomers. In reality this is a lot like the
war on drugs, and I expect it will be expensive and ineffective, but hey,
at least it keeps the CPSC busy right?

a***@global.net

2005-05-15 00:47:35 UTC

Post by Don T
If any of you had used your brain you would have known that the original
poster was from Denmark. Not subject to ATFE license or US DOJ action
unless, of course, he were to come to the USA and step afoul of the law.

It doesn't matter where the server is. Connections are all over the
globe. He could be next door.

Walter

2005-05-21 07:12:04 UTC

Post by nicoli

Post by Walter
I highly agree! I also rarely come to this group, I usually hang out in
rec.pyrotechnics, being a hobbyist fireworks builder. I think most of the
clowns that post stuff like that have never heard of form 20 (BATFE
explosive license). And it will catch up to them sooner or later, as I am
writing this, most of you may know, that the CPSC and the US DOJ is
sending letters to those that are buying items to make "boomers" without a
license..and that letter is basically a reading of the riot act, and the
next step is ATF at their door. But they ask for it posting stuff like that!
Walter

If I was an ATF agent I'd probably hire this guy to become the ass of
every 'stupid perp' joke. I seriously doubt I'd waste my time going to his
door, I mean even if he is doing anything illegal he's probably only a
minor. Besides no one was ever considered a hero or a great man for saving
a retard or a few mailboxs.
On a more serious note, is it really true about the CPSC and DOJ sending
letters to people buying pyro chems? It wouldn't surprise me really since,
I have heard they are trying to ban sales of such chems. I personally
think it's a shame that society has deteriorated to a point that we can't
trust people not to kill themselves or others. What's all the more
disturbing is the fact that such a ban will actually lure people into a
false sense of security. The fact is 'intelligent' people who want boomers
will make boomers even with such a ban in effect. Unfortunately, due to
changes in what chems would be used, post-ban boomers will probably be far
more dangerous then the pre-ban boomers. In reality this is a lot like the
war on drugs, and I expect it will be expensive and ineffective, but hey,
at least it keeps the CPSC busy right?

Yes the letters are real, just visit rec.pyrotechnics, there is a couple of
threads there about the letters. It seems they are even coming to those of
us who even have form 20's!

benstern

2005-06-03 00:25:24 UTC

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Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

YOUR A FUCKING MORON! YOU don't even know about explosives do you?
( are u using Ammonium Nitrate? )

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2007-04-09 02:59:20 UTC

Assuming that you were using Ammonium Nitrate, you do know that most
explosives need compression right?

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Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

YOUR A FUCKING MORON! YOU don't even know about explosives do you?
( are u using Ammonium Nitrate? )
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Don T.

2007-04-09 23:52:03 UTC

Shut the fuck up. Piss ignorant little shit. You don't know what you are
talking about.
--
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Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain

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Post by Alfred E. Neuman
Assuming that you were using Ammonium Nitrate, you do know that most
explosives need compression right?

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Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

Alfred E. Neuman

2007-04-10 07:55:39 UTC

Huh? What?

Have you got me mixed up with someone else? "little shit"? ...ya, I think
you do have me mixed up with someone else.

Dude, I have never even talked to you. Are you in an institution or on
drugs or something?

Post by Don T.
Shut the fuck up. Piss ignorant little shit. You don't know what you are
talking about.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for ones freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another mans.
~Mark Twain
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
Assuming that you were using Ammonium Nitrate, you do know that most
explosives need compression right?

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Post by Coalbunny
On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:23:38 +0200, "Kristian F-P"

You idiot ! I hope you blow yourself up before you hurt someone.

2007-04-10 18:31:27 UTC

Post by Don T.
Shut the fuck up. Piss ignorant little shit. You don't know what you are
talking about.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one¹s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man¹s.
~Mark Twain

Jeeze Louise Don, chill out..... This little Punk really isn't worth
boosting your Blood Pressure over. If you noticed, he is responding to
posts made back in 2004 and 05.... Just another Kool Bombz wannabe,
crying out for attention.... Us Old Guys got to stick together.....

Me Just another "Old Guy" type......

Don T.

2007-04-10 18:46:46 UTC

Post by Don T.
Shut the fuck up. Piss ignorant little shit. You don't know what you are
talking about.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one¹s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man¹s.
~Mark Twain

Thanks "Old Man". Heh. I was beginning to show the external symptoms of
apoplexy there for a few minutes. Red face, distended venous structure on
the forehead, etc. The little bastard is making posts advising practices
which will kill or maim anyone who follows his "advice" if they make even
the slightest mistake. In this business fools MUST be shut down before they
get some trusting idiot killed, or worse, maimed for life.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Alfred E. Neuman

2007-04-11 08:55:23 UTC

Then maybe we should shut down the whole fucking newsgroup. Just reading
the previous post, nobody needs me in order to get themselves blowed up
based on info from this group.

And yes, I was responding to an old question. You are able to read right?
Your little sister isn't translating for you, is she?

I am amused that both of you picture me as a "little shit" and you are the
'wise old men'. Really, that is very amusing.

You know absolutly nothing about me. For all I know, you two boneheads live
across the street from each other and play hacky sach after Jr. High lets
out.

Post by Don T.

Post by Don T.
Shut the fuck up. Piss ignorant little shit. You don't know what you are
talking about.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one¹s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man¹s.
~Mark Twain

Thanks "Old Man". Heh. I was beginning to show the external symptoms of
apoplexy there for a few minutes. Red face, distended venous structure on
the forehead, etc. The little bastard is making posts advising practices
which will kill or maim anyone who follows his "advice" if they make even
the slightest mistake. In this business fools MUST be shut down before
they get some trusting idiot killed, or worse, maimed for life.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for ones freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another mans.
~Mark Twain
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

2007-04-11 15:45:48 UTC

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
Then maybe we should shut down the whole fucking newsgroup. Just reading
the previous post, nobody needs me in order to get themselves blowed up
based on info from this group.
And yes, I was responding to an old question. You are able to read right?
Your little sister isn't translating for you, is she?
I am amused that both of you picture me as a "little shit" and you are the
'wise old men'. Really, that is very amusing.
You know absolutly nothing about me. For all I know, you two boneheads live
across the street from each other and play hacky sach after Jr. High lets
out.

Both Don T, and I, (Me) have been followers of this group for many (more
than a decade) years. Our credentials are well know, and have been
published many times, in this group, over the years. You, however, are
a "Johnnie come Lately" and have published no creds at all, and your
advice is nothing more than KewlBombz Wanabe Retoric, to kids that
actually grew up, and moved on, to other pursuits, long ago. This is
an "Engineering" Group, not a KewlBombz Gathering Place, and if you want
to discuss Energetic Materials Science, or Engineering, fine, BUT take
the KewlBombz Mentality and leave it at the door before entering. The
rest of us would appreciate it....

Me just another "Old Guy" type semi-reTIRED Powderman

Alfred E. Neuman

2007-04-12 05:12:05 UTC

THIS is an information EXCHANGE!

I give no advice (unlike you two know-it-all Clifford Claven types). I saw
a question and I had a very brief answer. The 2005 post asked what he was
doing wrong. The answer simply was that if he was using real ANFO then the
problem may have been that he had no compression. Explosive compression is
a very useful concept in engineering, as you (should) well know. There
would not be cars or airplanes without compression. That person who was
playing with "ANFO" may have just been curious and was working on a basic
concept in his head. Who knows, he may have gotten the answer he wanted,
thought it was cool, and grown up to be an engineer. But if you arrogent
farts think you are protecting the world but giving no information or giving
mis-information, you can go to hell.

Like you said, this is an engineering group not an online version of Cheers.

Both Don T, and I, (Me) have been followers of this group for many (more
than a decade) years. Our credentials are well know, and have been
published many times, in this group, over the years. You, however, are
a "Johnnie come Lately" and have published no creds at all, and your
advice is nothing more than KewlBombz Wanabe Retoric, to kids that
actually grew up, and moved on, to other pursuits, long ago. This is
an "Engineering" Group, not a KewlBombz Gathering Place, and if you want
to discuss Energetic Materials Science, or Engineering, fine, BUT take
the KewlBombz Mentality and leave it at the door before entering. The
rest of us would appreciate it....
Me just another "Old Guy" type semi-reTIRED Powderman

Don T.

2007-04-12 15:11:43 UTC

I'll exchange some information with you. ANFO requires NO "compression". As
a matter of simple fact ANFO is loaded loose and stringent precautions are
taken to ensure that there is NO COMPRESSION of the ANFO Column. The shock
tube to the cap which initiates the required booster is chosen and routed
such that it will not explosively compress the ANFO column as the shot is
fired. Compressed Prills and Oil will NOT DETONATE reliably.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it you piss ignorant little shit.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
THIS is an information EXCHANGE!
I give no advice (unlike you two know-it-all Clifford Claven types). I
saw a question and I had a very brief answer. The 2005 post asked what he
was doing wrong. The answer simply was that if he was using real ANFO
then the problem may have been that he had no compression. Explosive
compression is a very useful concept in engineering, as you (should) well
know. There would not be cars or airplanes without compression. That
person who was playing with "ANFO" may have just been curious and was
working on a basic concept in his head. Who knows, he may have gotten the
answer he wanted, thought it was cool, and grown up to be an engineer.
But if you arrogent farts think you are protecting the world but giving no
information or giving mis-information, you can go to hell.
Like you said, this is an engineering group not an online version of Cheers.

Both Don T, and I, (Me) have been followers of this group for many (more
than a decade) years. Our credentials are well know, and have been
published many times, in this group, over the years. You, however, are
a "Johnnie come Lately" and have published no creds at all, and your
advice is nothing more than KewlBombz Wanabe Retoric, to kids that
actually grew up, and moved on, to other pursuits, long ago. This is
an "Engineering" Group, not a KewlBombz Gathering Place, and if you want
to discuss Energetic Materials Science, or Engineering, fine, BUT take
the KewlBombz Mentality and leave it at the door before entering. The
rest of us would appreciate it....
Me just another "Old Guy" type semi-reTIRED Powderman

Alfred E. Neuman

2007-04-12 19:22:25 UTC

Some explosives react so fast that they create their own compression (air
cannot get out of the way fast enough). But all conventional explosives
need compression. (even Nuclear weapons need compression for perhaps a
millisecond)

You should call those Cracker Jack people and demand your money back. They
can provide you with certificates but they cannot keep you from being a
dumbass.

Post by Don T.
I'll exchange some information with you. ANFO requires NO "compression".
As a matter of simple fact ANFO is loaded loose and stringent precautions
are taken to ensure that there is NO COMPRESSION of the ANFO Column. The
shock tube to the cap which initiates the required booster is chosen and
routed such that it will not explosively compress the ANFO column as the
shot is fired. Compressed Prills and Oil will NOT DETONATE reliably.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it you piss ignorant little shit.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for ones freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another mans.
~Mark Twain
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
THIS is an information EXCHANGE!
I give no advice (unlike you two know-it-all Clifford Claven types). I
saw a question and I had a very brief answer. The 2005 post asked what
he was doing wrong. The answer simply was that if he was using real ANFO
then the problem may have been that he had no compression. Explosive
compression is a very useful concept in engineering, as you (should) well
know. There would not be cars or airplanes without compression. That
person who was playing with "ANFO" may have just been curious and was
working on a basic concept in his head. Who knows, he may have gotten
the answer he wanted, thought it was cool, and grown up to be an
engineer. But if you arrogent farts think you are protecting the world
but giving no information or giving mis-information, you can go to hell.
Like you said, this is an engineering group not an online version of Cheers.

Both Don T, and I, (Me) have been followers of this group for many (more
than a decade) years. Our credentials are well know, and have been
published many times, in this group, over the years. You, however, are
a "Johnnie come Lately" and have published no creds at all, and your
advice is nothing more than KewlBombz Wanabe Retoric, to kids that
actually grew up, and moved on, to other pursuits, long ago. This is
an "Engineering" Group, not a KewlBombz Gathering Place, and if you want
to discuss Energetic Materials Science, or Engineering, fine, BUT take
the KewlBombz Mentality and leave it at the door before entering. The
rest of us would appreciate it....
Me just another "Old Guy" type semi-reTIRED Powderman

2007-04-12 17:00:38 UTC

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
Some explosives react so fast that they create their own compression (air
cannot get out of the way fast enough). But all conventional explosives
need compression. (even Nuclear weapons need compression for perhaps a
millisecond)
You should call those Cracker Jack people and demand your money back. They
can provide you with certificates but they cannot keep you from being a
dumbass.

It is plain, for all to see, that you get your Energetic Materials
Science Information from the same place that you got your NIM, sonny.
The above Statement isn't even framed in the correct Language, let alone
expressed in the common Defined Terms, of Energetic Materials Science.
Maybe you should go back to school, a good Engineering School, this
time, and learn the language, before you try and convice others of your
expertiese. Just what experience, do you actually have, with ANFO?
Have you ever actually handled the Blasting Agent, itself, or had
anything to do with designing, drilling, mucking, and loading, a
MultiTon Shot? What States are you are you licensed in, and when was
your Federal Users Permit Issued? Come on, let us all in on your Creds,
that give you experience to expound on the subject a hand.

Maybe you don't have any "Practical" experience, but are a Research
Chemist, with some expertiese in the compounding, or formulation, of
Energetic Materials. Gives us some understanding of your Creds in this
area. Tell us all, about the useful Materials you have sythisized, and
where, and how, you conducted the testing of said materials. Some of us
have significant expertiese in this area as well.

Me a NitroOrganic Chemist in a previous life.....

Don T.

2007-04-12 18:48:31 UTC

The little bastard wouldn't even be qualified to grease the zerks on an
overshot mucker let alone be anywhere around when real shooters do their
hardest work.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Alfred E. Neuman
Some explosives react so fast that they create their own compression (air
cannot get out of the way fast enough). But all conventional explosives
need compression. (even Nuclear weapons need compression for perhaps a
millisecond)
You should call those Cracker Jack people and demand your money back.
They
can provide you with certificates but they cannot keep you from being a
dumbass.

It is plain, for all to see, that you get your Energetic Materials
Science Information from the same place that you got your NIM, sonny.
The above Statement isn't even framed in the correct Language, let alone
expressed in the common Defined Terms, of Energetic Materials Science.
Maybe you should go back to school, a good Engineering School, this
time, and learn the language, before you try and convice others of your
expertiese. Just what experience, do you actually have, with ANFO?
Have you ever actually handled the Blasting Agent, itself, or had
anything to do with designing, drilling, mucking, and loading, a
MultiTon Shot? What States are you are you licensed in, and when was
your Federal Users Permit Issued? Come on, let us all in on your Creds,
that give you experience to expound on the subject a hand.
Maybe you don't have any "Practical" experience, but are a Research
Chemist, with some expertiese in the compounding, or formulation, of
Energetic Materials. Gives us some understanding of your Creds in this
area. Tell us all, about the useful Materials you have sythisized, and
where, and how, you conducted the testing of said materials. Some of us
have significant expertiese in this area as well.
Me a NitroOrganic Chemist in a previous life.....

Boomer

2007-04-12 21:56:02 UTC

Obviously Don he has never heard the term of "Dead Pressing" and its
function in ANFO'S. Looks like he does not know of or has never heard of
"Microsphers" or " Microballoons " either and their function in ANFO's. And
he seems to confuse "compression" with Shock Wave. He is also confused about
nuclear weapons and his term "compression" which deals with reshaping the
nuclear material with HE like HMX.. And hummm ..........maybe the little boy
could explain to us how you can not compress a liquid, yet many explosives
are liquids. Maybe he should look up the term "shot-spots" and what it means
when dealing with condesned explosives. Like ME said, he does not understand
the words he is using or how to use them.

Boomer

Former: USA EOD.
Member: IABTI, ISEE, IPS, WEODF, NATEOD

If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going
away of things, from a place where they use to be.

Alfred E. Neuman

2007-04-13 06:17:32 UTC

How you got into this I do not know. To bad, I kinda respected you.
Compression as I was using it and many of the journals I read use it as
well, often refers to the moments after the reaction begins and it is the
redirected back in towards itself. If course, its environment will break
down under the enormous pressure. And thus, you get a blast and shock wave.
Why do I even bother with you idiots? You like to throw around "technical
terms" which may or may not be real professional jargon. You like to
pretend you are superior by speasking so sort of technical jibberish that I
am not even sure the person to whom you are speaking even understands. To
most of us it sounds like teenybopper jibberish. I have noticed in life
that real professionals do not talk much about what they do. People who
know nothing talk the most. Sound familiar?

You know, even if you fools are who you say you are, you know, maybe five
people in this newsgroup unsterstand what the fuck you are saying. You
contribute nothing and heckle everybody. You are losers, get a life. Can
you walk the walk as well as talk the talk? Oh ya! Big man spouts out a
few words nobady understands and he thinks everyone is just going to bow
down and kiss his ring.

Kiss my ass. And you still crack me up thinking you know who I am.

Post by Boomer
Obviously Don he has never heard the term of "Dead Pressing" and its
function in ANFO'S. Looks like he does not know of or has never heard of
"Microsphers" or " Microballoons " either and their function in ANFO's.
And he seems to confuse "compression" with Shock Wave. He is also confused
about nuclear weapons and his term "compression" which deals with
reshaping the nuclear material with HE like HMX.. And hummm
..........maybe the little boy could explain to us how you can not
compress a liquid, yet many explosives are liquids. Maybe he should look
up the term "shot-spots" and what it means when dealing with condesned
explosives. Like ME said, he does not understand the words he is using or
how to use them.
Boomer
Former: USA EOD.
Member: IABTI, ISEE, IPS, WEODF, NATEOD
If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going
away of things, from a place where they use to be.

Boomer

2007-04-12 05:12:46 UTC

The third grumpy old retired man with credentials is watching also :-)

Boomer

Former: USA EOD.
Member: IABTI, ISEE, IPS, WEODF, NATEOD

If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going
away of things, from a place where they use to be.

Post by Me
Both Don T, and I, (Me) have been followers of this group for many (more
than a decade) years. Our credentials are well know, and have been
published many times, in this group, over the years. You, however, are
a "Johnnie come Lately" and have published no creds at all, and your
advice is nothing more than KewlBombz Wanabe Retoric, to kids that
actually grew up, and moved on, to other pursuits, long ago. This is
an "Engineering" Group, not a KewlBombz Gathering Place, and if you want
to discuss Energetic Materials Science, or Engineering, fine, BUT take
the KewlBombz Mentality and leave it at the door before entering. The
rest of us would appreciate it....
Me just another "Old Guy" type semi-reTIRED Powderman

Don T.

2007-04-12 15:06:09 UTC

LTNS Bill. I've dropped my membership in ISEE and cetera this year. Had a
surgery on my cervical spine and the aftermath ain't pretty. Lost my
speaking voice and have to wear a delicate "medical device" around my neck
24/7/275 more days so I've been forced into total retirement whether I
wanted to or not. Any strong stray airblast could be lethal on me so I
can't even go watch anymore. VA is doing speech therapy to help regain my
voice but I will never be able to stand at a podium and deliver a paper
again they tell me. Hell I can't even fire my normal number of rifle
practice shots to ensure a one shot kill next hunting season until the doc
clears me for it. Makes me a bit more grumpy too. HeH.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Boomer
The third grumpy old retired man with credentials is watching also :-)
Boomer
Former: USA EOD.
Member: IABTI, ISEE, IPS, WEODF, NATEOD
If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden
going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

2007-04-12 16:35:34 UTC

Post by Don T.
LTNS Bill. I've dropped my membership in ISEE and cetera this year. Had a
surgery on my cervical spine and the aftermath ain't pretty. Lost my
speaking voice and have to wear a delicate "medical device" around my neck
24/7/275 more days so I've been forced into total retirement whether I
wanted to or not. Any strong stray airblast could be lethal on me so I
can't even go watch anymore. VA is doing speech therapy to help regain my
voice but I will never be able to stand at a podium and deliver a paper
again they tell me. Hell I can't even fire my normal number of rifle
practice shots to ensure a one shot kill next hunting season until the doc
clears me for it. Makes me a bit more grumpy too. HeH.
--
Don Thompson

I am sorry to hear this news Don. I guess age, and infirmity, do wear on
us all.

Me just another "Old Guy", who wakes up stiff and sore every day...

Don T.

2007-04-12 19:10:03 UTC

Yeah, things do tend to show up after a while. If the doc's schedule is
right I will miss this years hunting but should be able to hit them hard
next year. If I beat the doc's predictions I might be able to get out for a
week in October when the Elk are at their very prettiest. I'm going to miss
the summer consult period though and have had to find a replacement for two
jobs I had taken on before the surgery. I grabbed a hot-shot young guy that
I met at one of the ISEE student chapter meetings I gave a talk to a couple
of years ago and who had since graduated and was working for a local high
volume small job company. He's doing these two in the "moonlight". If he is
as good as I think he is, successfully completing these jobs will let him
start his own business if he wants.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am sorry to hear this news Don. I guess age, and infirmity, do wear on
us all.
Me just another "Old Guy", who wakes up stiff and sore every day...

2007-04-13 18:52:13 UTC

Post by Don T.
I grabbed a hot-shot young guy that
I met at one of the ISEE student chapter meetings I gave a talk to a couple
of years ago and who had since graduated and was working for a local high
volume small job company. He's doing these two in the "moonlight". If he is
as good as I think he is, successfully completing these jobs will let him
start his own business if he wants.

Isn't it interesting, that Most, if not ALL, good Blasters, do an
apprenticeship under an "Old Timer", and then go out on their own,
from there, and after a few years pass on the Knowledge to the next
Generation. Sometimes, I wish I was still an active Powderman, and
could pass on what I have learned over the years, but living out
where I do now, I just don't get the calls, like I used to, and
I made a specific choice to set up my situation, in this way, when
I reTIRED. I understand exactly where you are coming from. There
is nothing like "Doing a Shot, Live and in Person" after spending
a week working the setup. "45 Seconds of wonder", after a Week of
Sweat.

I see the Little Punk, never did publish any Creds.... well, I really
didn't expect that there was anything to publish, but it would have been
nice to have added someone new to the group, if he actually had some
Creds to publish, and wanted to bring them to the table.

Me getting "Older" by the second.......

Boomer

2007-04-12 21:10:20 UTC

Hi Don

Yah I dropped my ISEE also, I let it lapse. I was at the ISEE BL last week
but they had much of nothing new.

I retired last June so no more work for me. An old buddy of mine, no longer
married , bought on of those big ass motorhomes. I down to Texas for a
month where he and his bother + wife are "snow birds" with their RV's. We
may be taking a trip out west this summer. I told him he needs to see
Glacier National Park before he dies LOL.

Last year I had an op for a double hernia. No, not from lifting something.
Most men have them and they just slowly get bigger with age. It is a birth
thing, 90 % of the time.

Sorry to hear about the voice, that doe not sound like fun. So what went
wrong with the spine ?

Don T.

2007-04-12 21:50:26 UTC