National, TVNZ and Government Should Demand Brash's Resignation .....NOW!!!!!!

[Janice]

How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?

Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?

Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.


The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "

Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?

Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

[John B]

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the

public --

Post by Janice
it certainly should be if it isnt.

So where's your call for Klak and Kullen to resign? The are
proven liars.

[steve]

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the

public --

Post by Janice
it certainly should be if it isnt.

So where's your call for Klak and Kullen to resign? The are
proven liars.

They are?

[Rob J]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:18:29 +1200, steve

Post by steve

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the

public --

Post by Janice
it certainly should be if it isnt.

So where's your call for Klak and Kullen to resign? The are
proven liars.

They are?

Clark signs a painting fraudulently

[grumpyoldhori]

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the

public --

Post by Janice
it certainly should be if it isnt.

So where's your call for Klak and Kullen to resign? The are
proven liars.

Christ John,are we reduced to this,Clarke lied,therefore Brash
has a right to lie.
grumpy

[steve]

Christ John,are we reduced to this,Clarke lied,therefore Brash
has a right to lie.
grumpy

To these braindead self-styled "conservatives", two wrongs always make them
right.

Dumb as doorstops.

[Sue Bilstein]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:01:24 +1200, steve

Post by steve

Christ John,are we reduced to this,Clarke lied,therefore Brash
has a right to lie.
grumpy

To these braindead self-styled "conservatives", two wrongs always make them
right.
Dumb as doorstops.

My goodness, steve admits that Clark lied.

[John B]

Post by grumpyoldhori

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the

public --

Post by Janice
it certainly should be if it isnt.

So where's your call for Klak and Kullen to resign? The are
proven liars.

Christ John,are we reduced to this,Clarke lied,therefore

Brash

Post by grumpyoldhori
has a right to lie.
grumpy

But he didn't lie. Clark did, so where is the call for her
resignation? Fuckwits.

[Janice]

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Excuse the repeat posting but a serious breach of netiquette occurred
with the
reposting of this article with an entirely different heading. To the
group of people who have been reporting hate speech + net abuse and to
the IPs concerned
who are monitoring this newsgroup, please include reports of this
type. Thanks

[BMR]

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Excuse the repeat posting but a serious breach of netiquette occurred
with the
reposting of this article with an entirely different heading. To the
group of people who have been reporting hate speech + net abuse and to
the IPs concerned
who are monitoring this newsgroup, please include reports of this
type. Thanks

Reporting all right-wingers to the Police are you?

[ChrisOD]

Post by Janice

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Excuse the repeat posting but a serious breach of netiquette occurred
with the
reposting of this article with an entirely different heading. To the
group of people who have been reporting hate speech + net abuse and to
the IPs concerned
who are monitoring this newsgroup, please include reports of this
type. Thanks

FFS, Janice. It is a politics NG during an election campaign.

And besides I thought lying was a requirement of being a polly.

Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

[Redbaiter]

ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.

Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..

Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

[ChrisOD]

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.
Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..
Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

I can't "prove" what someone knew red so get fucked.

Don at least constantly makes dishonest statements by omission.
Don would have had reasonable cause to suspect it was the EBs
but when asked about it yesterday he walked away and was Obviously
hiding something.

I have NO PROBLEM WITH THIS!

Pollies lie it is their job.

I'd love a game of poker with him.

[Redbaiter]

ChrisOD says

Post by ChrisOD

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.
Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..
Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

I can't "prove" what someone knew red so get fucked.

You're the real liar then Matty.. its that simple.

[Redbaiter]

Redbaiter says

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says

Post by ChrisOD

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.
Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..
Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

I can't "prove" what someone knew red so get fucked.

You're the real liar then Chris.. its that simple.

Corrected. Apologies Matty. (here at least)

[ChrisOD]

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says

Post by ChrisOD

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.
Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..
Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

I can't "prove" what someone knew red so get fucked.

You're the real liar then Matty.. its that simple.

Can you "prove it"?

[Redbaiter]

ChrisOD says

Post by ChrisOD

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says

Post by ChrisOD

Post by Redbaiter
ChrisOD says
.

Post by ChrisOD
Don's worst crime is he's so useless at it. The guilt is written
all over his face and the media know they are on to something.

OK.. here's a chance fro you to make a name for yourself Chris..
Lets you and I see if for once you can come out of a discussion
with your integrity intact.
Brash did not tell any lie. Your claim is a false cowardly
smear. When Brash was asked if he knew the source of the
pamphlets he said quite honestly that he did not. Now prove that
statement incorrect. Prove Brash knew at the time he made that
statement that he knew the pamphlets had been produced by the
Brethren..
Go on.. do it you smug sanctimonious smearing thug.. make
Redbaiter apologise. Make a name for yourself.

I can't "prove" what someone knew red so get fucked.

You're the real liar then Matty.. its that simple.

Can you "prove it"?

You just proved it yourself. You said Brash was a liar and then
said you had no real reason to call him that. Fuck off. You're
just another conscienceless leftist thug without a milligram of
integrity decency or honesty in your damn useless parasitical
body.

[sidproquo]

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

[Janice]

Post by sidproquo

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

Brash's behaviour and announcements have a great deal of bearing on
National's
truthfulness in conducting an election campaign. He knowingly lied
about his knowledge of pamphlets which were full of smears and lies
about other political parties and distributed by the Exclusive Brethen
- a fundamentalist sect notorious for its hostile abuse toward former
cultists.

We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.

Shouldn't the government invoke the terror laws against all hate
mongers?

[Joy]

Post by Janice

Post by sidproquo

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

Brash's behaviour and announcements have a great deal of bearing on
National's
truthfulness in conducting an election campaign. He knowingly lied
about his knowledge of pamphlets which were full of smears and lies
about other political parties and distributed by the Exclusive Brethen
- a fundamentalist sect notorious for its hostile abuse toward former
cultists.
We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.

And left wing loonies I hope.
Joy

[Janice]

Post by Joy

Post by Janice

Post by sidproquo

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

Brash's behaviour and announcements have a great deal of bearing on
National's
truthfulness in conducting an election campaign. He knowingly lied
about his knowledge of pamphlets which were full of smears and lies
about other political parties and distributed by the Exclusive Brethen
- a fundamentalist sect notorious for its hostile abuse toward former
cultists.
We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.

And left wing loonies I hope.

Your latest offering has no substance Joy. This propensity to post
vaccuous nonsense is something nz.politics has come to expect from
women who support the hard right.

Post by Joy
Joy

[Redbaiter]

Janice says

Post by Janice

Post by Joy

Post by Janice
We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.

And left wing loonies I hope.

Your latest offering has no substance Joy. This propensity to post
vaccuous nonsense is something nz.politics has come to expect from
women who support the hard right.

Here's some substance for you arsehole...

Fuck off you stinking sanctimonious lying Stalinist thug

[Joy]

Post by Janice

Post by Joy

Post by Janice

Post by sidproquo

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

Brash's behaviour and announcements have a great deal of bearing on
National's
truthfulness in conducting an election campaign. He knowingly lied
about his knowledge of pamphlets which were full of smears and lies
about other political parties and distributed by the Exclusive Brethen
- a fundamentalist sect notorious for its hostile abuse toward former
cultists.
We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.

And left wing loonies I hope.

Your latest offering has no substance Joy. This propensity to post
vaccuous nonsense is something nz.politics has come to expect from
women who support the hard right.

You have one vote, I have one vote. Yah.
Joy

[ChrisOD]

Post by Janice

Post by sidproquo

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "
Was the smear campaign National's initiative then?
Don Brash should be forced to resign. He is not fit to be in parliament
never
mind leading the opposition. He has knowingly lied to the public about
his prior
knowledge of the pamphlets, we can safely assume he also lied about
his own involvement.

Hell he has a long way to go, he hasnt signed a single painting yet or
take a 170k an hour trip, lol, shall one go on, no didnt think so.

Brash's behaviour and announcements have a great deal of bearing on
National's
truthfulness in conducting an election campaign. He knowingly lied
about his knowledge of pamphlets which were full of smears and lies
about other political parties and distributed by the Exclusive Brethen
- a fundamentalist sect notorious for its hostile abuse toward former
cultists.
We have terror laws in NZ which were designed for fundamentalist sects
which now must include Christian fundamentalists, as well as Muslim.
Shouldn't the government invoke the terror laws against all hate
mongers?

YES the EB are scum the way they treat former cultists, but as far as
I reckon they can say what they like as long as they do it openly.

They can claim that the universe was made in 6 days or other such
fantasies and I don't care.

Janice you are a serious worry with your "hate speech" rants. Yes
the pamphlets may be bullshit, buggered if I know, but they don't seem
to be hate speech. Now if they said things like "do not suffer a witch
to live" then that would be hate speech and the wiccians may feel
threatened, but unless they made direct threats who cares about such
looney rants.

[steve]

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?

It takes many a lie for conservatives to become unhappy with their leaders.

Look at G W Bush......He's lied about almost everything - including matters
of life and death like invading another country......and his own supporters
refuse to accept it despite all the evidence supporting it now being
irrefutable.

Post by Janice
Where does the electoral commission stand on this matter?

They appear to have no brief with respect to honesty.

Post by Janice
Is it illegal for parliamentarians to knowingly lie to the public --
it certainly should be if it isnt.

They (MPs) framed the law....and it does not appear to be illegal to lie to
voters.

It will remain this way as long as voters vote for people who tell them
lies.

Having said that......there are big lies: "We will cut taxes but not cut
services"...

...and there are little lies: "I've signed this painting. Please donate some
money to this childrens' charity by bidding for it."

If you have no choice - don't vote for the BIG liar.

Post by Janice
The last thing, the EB spokesperson said to journalists regarding the
smear pamphlets yesterday, " this was not an Exclusive Brethen
initiative. "

These 7 guys came up with $500,000? Small business must be doing very well
under Labour.

[Redbaiter]

steve says

Post by steve

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?

It takes many a lie for conservatives to become unhappy with their leaders.
Look at G W Bush......He's lied about almost everything -

Look at Steve Withers/ Rural, an amoral smearing psychopath..

[steve]

Post by Redbaiter
steve says

Post by steve

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?

It takes many a lie for conservatives to become unhappy with their leaders.
Look at G W Bush......He's lied about almost everything -

Look at Steve Withers/ Rural, an amoral smearing psychopath..

After 14 years on usenet, is that all you think you've got on me?

It's getting very old, Redbaiter......whereas your proven lies are as fresh
as the last sunrise.

[Redbaiter]

steve says

Post by steve

Post by Redbaiter
steve says

Post by steve

Post by Janice
How many more lies does this fraud have to tell before the government
and their
supporters demand his resignation?

It takes many a lie for conservatives to become unhappy with their leaders.
Look at G W Bush......He's lied about almost everything -

Look at Steve Withers/ Rural, an amoral smearing psychopath..

After 14 years on usenet, is that all you think you've got on me?

Its more than you've ever had on George Bush you hate driven
loser..

[george]

Okay. We'll expect Helen Clark to also resign.
Art forgery and permitting dangerous driving.

[George.com]

Post by george
Okay. We'll expect Helen Clark to also resign.
Art forgery and permitting dangerous driving.

What about the leader of a small party desperate to remain in parliament
(not Winston either) running round a central Auckland electorate asking
people if the local Nat candidate died whether they would vote for him?

rob

[Janice]

Post by George.com
What about the leader of a small party desperate to remain in parliament
(not Winston either) running round a central Auckland electorate asking
people if the local Nat candidate died whether they would vote for him?

Lol...What does this mean? Rodders is planning to bump the opposition
off?

[BrentC]

fraud

Hey - thats my word for your friend HELEN - stop trying to steal it :)

[clonegunman]

fraud

Isn't that what the governments of 1984 to 1999 carried out on the once
prosperous people of NZ.
Brash keeps going on about NZ wages being so much lower than
Australia's. But Australia did not have the devastation of the
Employment Contracts Act forcing it's workers into poverty in the 1990s.